The game even non-fans celebrated 

I, for one, am thrilled with the growth of Scorigami's cultural impact in recent years. We've gone from an innocuous Chart Party video to a phenomenon formally recognized and sought out by sports journalists, and a small but growing fraction of the viewing public. It's so cool.

There's a nice clip of coach Sean Payton being told by reporters that his team (Denver) got 2 scorigamis this year. A 29-12 win against Cleveland, and a 70-20 loss against Miami. There's a ripple of laughter after he's told that no one else has lost 70-20.

3:03 "You cant do that in football" ***stares hard at Milton Keynes***

Scorigami have been happening a handful of times each season in recent years, and, coincidentally, the night before this episode of Lateral was released, a Scorigami occurred when the Las Vegas Raiders defeated the Los Angeles Chargers 63-21. The Chargers fired their head coach after the game, though that probably wasn't directly Scorigami related.

20 minutes in and this has 1000 celebrations.

OK, for those (like me) wanting a breakdown of the scores: PHI: 3 FG (x3 pts)=9; 2 (TD+XP) (x7 pts)=14; 1 safety (x2 pts)=2; 9+14+2=25. TAM: 1 FG (x3 pts)=3; 1 TD w/2 pt conversion=8; 3+8=11

I actually got this one right away, because I've seen that original Jon Bois video.

I love the way that Hannah and Geoff did all the heavy lifting, and Mike just came in at the end and Stephen Bradbury’ed his way in to the winning answer. (There’s a niche sporting reference that a certain group of people will get immediately!)

I'm an American who has never been interested in sports. Now I know how Brits feel every time an American opens our mouth to talk about anything British. Thanks for the empathy boost!

Spoiler: Jon Bois' videos are incredible and are well worth a watch even if you cannot stand sports.

Apparently the most recent one happened on Dec 13 when Las Vegas Raiders beat LA Chargers 63-21

about a year earlier, in fall of 2022, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers already played another game (that time against Seattle) that was celebrated by tens of thousands of people even though they didn't support either team, and they may or may not have bet ... It was the "Munich game", the first NFL game in Germany. A year later, in fall of 2023, there were two NFL games in Frankfurt that also fit most of the description at the start of this video.

I think one of my favourite things on this show now is how an all-American panel of contestants seem to always get the quintessentially British questions and, now, this very British panel somehow got an all-American question. Brilliant !

Early prediction: It was a Scorigami, or otherwise known as a score that had never been recorded in the NFL prior to that game, which have been happening more frequently as of late. Or it's at least a bigger phenomenon now.

2:56 As a Nerdfighter, I am quite aware that English football teams *can* move, evidenced by Wimbledon FC moving to Milton Keynes; as an American, I can attest that our fans are just as upset when it happens

I thought about Scorigami for this but discounted it because it seemed too niche (should've known that there is nothing too niche for this show). I don't follow football so I didn't know about this game specifically, but I am aware of the concept of Scorigami. Very surprised that Jon Bois got a shoutout for this

This has been the first time that I knew it off the bat, I don’t follow sports but I have seen the Jon bois video and a score of 11 is rare.

This comments section should allow us to learn how big the fandom overlap is between Tom Scott and John Bois. It likely isn't huge, but it isn't zero either (and not just because I exist in that overlap).

As an American but not a Football fan, my first assumption was that Taco Bell ran some kind of free taco giveaway promotion if the Philadelphia Eagles won, and everyone was celebrating the free tacos. 😂

The way I, a person who never follows sports, heard about this when it happened and therefore knew the answer. It's honestly cool that people are tracking that sort of thing

25 and 11 are both uncommon scores in American Football, it must be Scorigami! I'm glad Tom went with a teleporter accident, since Jon Bois, the one who came up with Scorigami also mixed Sci-Fi and football in his 17776 project.

A Scorigami is not as unusual as one might think. A typical NFL season sees about 4-8 new scores that have never happened. As of the middle of December 18, 2023, the current season has already seen 8 scorigamis and there are still 3 weeks to go in the regular season. Because of the way points are scored (most commonly in intervals of 3 and 6+1 with 6+2, 6, 2 and 1 also possible) it makes some scores extremely unlikely. There are still many holes remaining in that chart.

A SCORIGAMI QUESTION ON LATERAL!!!!! MY WORLDS ARE COLLIDING!!!!!

Hannah is the best! Been having a lot of great guests on

Not a football fan (any country), but in the UK, Wimbledon FC moved to Milton Keynes became the MK Dons. So they can move here too.

Scorigami is one of my favorite sports events ever, I follow a page that just posts the score of every game, with either announcing it’s a new score or saying how many times the score has happened and the most recent. It’s amazing

And, by coincidence, there's been one tonight (the day this video was released) : Chargers 21-63 Raiders

honestly, not an american football fan, still excited to hear about the rare score naturally and genuinely becoming achieved as a game result. somewhat satisfying for the ocd, or something like that, i guess.

I'm American and i don't even watch American football but I remember that game because the score was so wild!!!

My immediate thought was a scorigami because that was something new that I've learned about. How perfect that this video comes out now.

We get a few Scorigamis every year, and I celebrate them all!

Many years ago, and as a Brit, was in Florida and went to watch the Tampa Bay Buccaneers play the Pittsburg Steelers. I do not remember the score. I do remember that the game kept having to stop for the TV adverts, especially in the run up to each hour - the game lasted a very long time due to the TV adverts. So I experienced, live, a game of American football. Tick. Would I do it again. No. For me the only thing that it was memorable for was the incessant stopping for the TV Adverts.

I googled "rabbit pirates" and was not disappointed.

Not surprising Geoff went down the "ticking off combinations of scores" line of thought, given the video he did with Matt Parker about parkrun challenges!

Been binge-watching a bunch of these and I finally knew one as soon as the question came up. 😅

So Mike mentioning moving teams… Yeah, that happens, and sometimes it produces silly names. Nobody associates Utah with the musical style jazz; but the New Orleans Jazz basketball team (New Orleans being actually known for jazz) moved to Utah. And stayed the Jazz. Likewise, Minnesota is known as "the land of 10,000 lakes", and their basketball team was named "Lakers". Later, that team moved to Los Angeles, California. A place not known for having many lakes (although it is on the ocean at least.) To this day, the Los Angeles Lakers are far more famous a team than the Minneapolis Lakers ever were. Similarly, Memphis, Tennessee is not known for having a large bear population, especially grizzly bears. Yet the team there is the Memphis Grizzlies, because the team moved from Vancouver, Canada, where there are Grizzly bears. Then you've got the baseball/american-football team pairings that separated. New York used to be home to the Giants of both baseball and football. Then the baseball team moved to San Francisco, but kept the name. St. Louis used to be home to the Cardinals of both baseball and football. The football team moved to Arizona, but retained the name. Humorously, cardinals (the bird) do exist in Arizona, but their range specifically _excludes_ the part of the state the football teams plays in! www.sdakotabirds.com/species/maps/northern_cardinal_map_big.jpg

jon bois supremacy

Knew this from my religious watching of SecretBase despite not ever watching sport directly. Tons of interesting lateral thinking in their dorktown series.

And, for extra points, a "lateral" is a move in American footabll which basically turns the game into clumsy rugby

to better explain NFL scoring. There are three major ways to score points in the NFL: A touchdown is six, then you have two options; Kick the ball through the uprights for the extra point (Point after Touchdown) from the 15 yard line or you make a play from scrimmage at the 2 yard line for 2 points (the "two-point conversion"). kicking the ball through the uprights without having made a touchdown is 3 for a field goal, as tom said. These can be taken from anywhere on the field, but anywhere from beyond 40 yards from the goal line is a million to one shot. Feild goal distances are measured to the posts, which are at the back of the 10 yard end zone, not the goal line. so a team lining up at the 40 is said to be attempting a 50 yard field goal. and the one thing he missed, which is where the 11 came from in that game, was the Safety. A safety happens when the ball is declared dead while in the endzone of the team with offensive possession and it is worth 2 points. Let's say you have your team lined up on the 5-yard line on your side of the field. you have 95 yards to go for the score. The ball is snapped into play, the QB drops back to make a pass, but he drops back too far and crosses into his team's endzone. Then, he gets tackled by a defender for a "sack" which, because it was in the end zone, the defender gets credit for the safety and 2 points to his team. This can also happen if the QB, standing in the same spot, lobs the ball in a direction where there is no one to catch it. There is a possibility of scoring a safety on the two post touchdown attempts, which would be worth 1 point, but the circumstances are just so convoluted it just doesn't happen.

First thought was that it's one of those situations where the win/loss record of these two teams will determine whether a third team makes the playoffs. But September is too early in the football season for that. Second thought at 3:15 (with the hint that which sport it is matters) is that 11 is a weird score for football.

First guess reading the question is scorigami, because that is a pretty unusual score (especially the 25 - no easy way to get there). Could be wrong - it was only 3 months ago and I don't remember anything special about it.

I know just enough about football to know that 11 is a weird score, you have to get a touchdown for 6 points, miss the 1 point kick, get a field goal for 3 points, and do a conversion for 2 points. Field goals and conversions don't happen every game. they really don't happen if there's good defense. You could in theory score two conversions and full 7 point touchdown, but that seems even more unlikely.

Some panels of guests are just superior and this is one

2:35 As an American Nerdfighter im gonna have to stop him right here, yall have the BEST names of teams on the other side the pond Tbf, i get that many of the grt names like Barnsley, Millwall, Reading, Gillingham, and countless more are just the names of the places theyre from; but still grt names And then you do have some properly grt names like Plymouth Argyle, Crewe Alexandra (Which is like there bein a USA team called the New Orleans Victoria), Wycombe Wanderers, and Sheffield Wednesday (which sounds like a once wkly special at a restaurant xD) And ofc your best team and the one with the best name; AFC Wimbledon. Who doesnt want to be a Wimbledon? Wimble Don, its just so fun to say, and not just cuz wimble feels whimsical ETA: And while these are lower leagues, theyre not nearly as low as Tom said; these are older ones mostly and not ones that are corporate sponsored as much

Seeing the score, I knew it was a scoregami in about 3 seconds.

Got it at 1:04, first time getting it that quick!

I enjoyed discovering, about a month ago, that there was a team involved in an FA Cup tie, named ‘Cray Valley Paper Mills FC’

As a fan of Jon Bois, American football, and numbers, I knew what it was right away. Not surprising that three Brits had trouble with it though, but I do have to ask: doesn't one of the forms of rugby have a scoring system somewhat like American football? Or have there just been so many rugby matches over the decades that nobody bothers keeping track of scores that have and haven't happened? Someone from Europe or AUNZ please enlighten me

I knew the answer right away because I am one of those sports nerds.

The result wasn’t just celebrated because it never happened, it was celebrated because it is a highly unlikely score that only happens with very specific scoring combinations (NFL is weird that way because you can’t score a 1 on it’s own, only on conversion tries after touchdowns). There are very, very few blanks left on the matrix below 30/30 and this was one of them for a reason. (Btw, there are a handfuls of scores that are just impossible, like 1-0 for example)

My Lateral and Jon Bois worlds collide!!

Hannah was *so close* when she questioned how a score of 11 was possible.

That's a bit of a stretch calling it a celebration. Give this comment a like and lets have a party.

Using Seattle as the example of teams moving to a new place and keeping the name is actually kind of funny because all of Seattle's current major league teams (NFL, MLB, NHL, MLS, and WNBA) were formed in Seattle, not moved from elsewhere. Though a couple of teams did start in Seattle and leave (MLB'S Milwaukee Brewers were originally the Seattle Pilots, and NBA's Oklahoma Thunder were the Seattle SuperSonics) I don't even really like sports that much, I'm just originally from Seattle and in a family of sports nerds

The Eagles got 3 field goals and 2 7-point touchdowns (TD+PAT) and a safety for a total of 25 points. The Bucs had one field goal and then scored a touchdown when the Eagles already had 25 points, so they went for two and got it. This made an 8-point touchdown for a total score of 11 points.

Q: where does Captain Rabbit keep his buccaneers? A: under his *buccin* *hat* !! 😁

I wonder how many people celebrated when Eric Morecambe's scoregami came true when the game ended and it was East Fife 4, Forfar 5?!

Yes Geoff, we are saying "Oh dearrrrr".

Scores like this happen all the time in the CFL because of the rouge, but I did find it strange for an NFL game. I'm guessing 2-point convert was involved.

My first assumption was one of those free food giveaways when someone at the bottom of the table beats someone at the top of the table and everyone gets a free lunch or something

1:06 that was a nice line of thought that both the date and the score had a 25 pity the score wasn't 25:9 or the the wasn't 25th Nov. I admin, I would have sorta celebrated that coincidence too

11 would be an unusual score in football. A touchdown is worth 6 points and it comes with the opportunity to score again. With a single play the team that just scored a touchdown can score one point by kicking the ball through the uprights or 2 points for scoring another touch down. For a team to "go for 2" in the point after is really rare, especially in the NFL as kicking the extra point is much easer to accomplish. The only times I have ever seen teams go for 2 is if the team behind is down by 2 points near the end of the game. Teams can also score 3 points for a field goad or 2 points for a safety, being tackled in the opposing team's endzone. The ways to have 11 as your final score means you have had a touchdown, with a 2 point conversion and a field goal. Or with a touchdown and 2 safeties.

As an American, I at least knew the teams.. but I had no idea why anyone would have cared about that game. Maybe something will click in my memory as this clip gets a little further along. 🤷‍♀

Buccaneers are a sort of pirate., especially one operating in waters off the Spanish American coast. (Florida once belonged to Spain.

As an American, I saw the question and immediately knew the answer. I was writhing in my chair watching everyone bounce around the solution. But I realized, they may not know the scoring system in place by American Football.... then it was hilarious😂

It seems risky to have a question about something from just a couple of months ago, but it worked.

There are still tons of holes. Just looking at 11, the other team scoring 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 11, 12, 15, 18, 20, 22, 29, 30, 31, 32, ... are all holes.

Not an American - and I'm glad to report that without knowing the answer, I guessed at the beginning and got it right! (I do know something about the NFL and the scoring, though.)

Jon Bois would be great on Lateral.

Funny enough for the timing of this episodes release, this past Thursday (2023-12-14) there was another scorigami in the Raider-Chargers game, 63-21

me immediately after hearing the question: "OH SHIT SCORAGAMI!"

As a non sportsfan I'm suddenly struck by Mike's assertion that "Arsenal", a place where you store weapons, is less interesting than "Buckaneers". And THEN I'm amazed that Geoff didn't point out that Millwall moved from Millwall to Bermondsey, which I only know because of videos about the Mudchute tube station.

lol Hannah, cheering over sports and ball going into goals and nets is a mood. (Philadelphia isn't a state though 🤣)

Ok, so I was totally on the wrong track with this one. At least around here, sometimes companies offer rewards based on event happening at a sporting event.

I'm American and I just learned more about the sport of hand-egg than I ever have in my previous 35 years of living here...

I should be embarrassed to admit that scorigami didn't occur to me till Hanna asked something about the score. I was aware there had been a scorigami early in the season, but didn't pay any attention to which game it was.

I love that they have absolutely no idea how to approach this question!

Hell yeah I love seeing a Scorigami be mentioned!! It's something we all follow every week. There is even a Scorigami bot on Twitter 😂😂

What is the purple and yellow squares backdrop?

I'm trying to figure out how you get a score of 11. A touchdown is worth six point plus the opportunity to score one or two extra points. "The point after" takes place after a touchdown. The team can either kick the ball through the uprights to score one point, or they can attempt to score another touchdown. The only time you ever see a team try to get the two points is near the end of the game when a team is two points behind, and they are hoping to tie the game. It's rare to see, especially in pro football. A field goal is worth 3 points, and a safety, tackling an opposing player in your own endzone (also extremely rare in pro ball). If you score 1 touchdown (plus an extra point) and one field goal you'll have a score of 10. With the other team having 25 points, it would be hard to justify going for 2.

In this house we root for Scorigami!

First thing I immediately though was SCORAGAMI

That's how (sport) nerds celebrate. A thumbs up.👍

Initial thoughts: it's a special game between two different sports, or both team played the same different sport than what they usually do. Maybe it was a charity game including non-sport celebrities, or such gimmicks.

But surely, this is not scoring meets origami - it's scoring meets bingo! Scorbingo?

spoilers: IN THIS HOUSE WE CELEBRATE SCORIGAMI

Jon Bois fans know this instantly

I was certain this was a Travis Kelce/Taylor Swift thing. But then Tom mentioned it was about the game. I don't know which team Travis plays on but I don't think it's either of them.

Where’s Jon?

First time Tom Scott has talked about this - call it Tom Scottigami

The most insulting thing in it is Tom calling football soccer

😎

Probably the most notable, "Let's just move this team and not worry about context at all" has to be my state's NBA team. Everyone knows them and their mediocrity, the Utah Jazz. Utah isn't really known for jazz, either the music or the hands; but New Orleans sure has a hot jazz scene going on there. And that's exactly where the NBA team started out from as the New Orleans Jazz. Then in 79' they were relocated to Salt Lake City, Utah. But because there's really no reason for SLC to go on anything, no one's going to say all 4 syllables of that, and there's really only 3 national professional teams here in the state, Real Salt Lake (USSF), Utah Starzz (WNBA), and Utah Jazz (NBA). We don't have cities vying for teams like California, Texas, Florida, and New York does. But New Orleans got a new team since, the Pelicans. They're still better than the Jazz in terms of playing the game, but they're definitely one of those questionable themed team mascots. I get New Orleans might have a lot of Pelicans, but I'm sure there was another animal that could have been referenced.

Sees question - SCORGAMI!!!!!

Mike Boyd: oh, you *can* do it in football (just move the team to a new city)... back in 2003-4 Wimbledon Football Club ("the Wombles" or "the Dons") upped sticks to Milton Keynes, losing a big chunk of their fan base in the process to the newly-formed "AFC Wimbledon". The relocated club now exists as "Milton Keynes Dons".

I really think I would be a terrible guest on this show because I would just blurt out the answer instead of sitting out when I know it. 🙊🙊

I knew this was scorigami instantly! I've been following scorigami for years and was one of the people who celebrated when this game ended 25-11!

4:17 it's the interception between those two ideas :P

Don't forget to celebrate this video!