The Garden of Eden as Cosmic Structure - St-Ephrem the Syrian 

it’s crazy how this is just available for free on RU-vid. what a blessing to have you share you knowledge, thank you so much, this has been endlessly insightful and eye opening

You have helped me find and love faith again. Orthodoxy is so beautiful.

even though I'm not a practicing Christian or for that matter any religion, I found Jonathan's talks endlessly interesting. What I once saw as mumbo jumbo superstitious non sense I know see as ancient wisdom and understanding encoded in endless symbols which ultimately return to the same truth. This is great. Thanks a lot Jonathan for opening my eyes to new ways of seeing the world

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After nearly two years of watching Johnathan I'm finally beginning to fully understand his point of view. It took a lot of time ut I'm glad I stuck to it. His talks are extremely edifying! God Bless you Johnathan.

About remembering being the connection to God, I am reminded of the thief on the cross next to Jesus saying “remember me when you enter your kingdom “ Wow , also “Do this in remembrance of Me” taking the body and blood of Christ connects you to Him. I’ll remember this forever, thanks so much

I am Catholic, not orthodox, but I find your insights useful and, dare I say, poetic. Thank you, and I hope God blesses you.

This lecture is truly filled with pearls 🕯🤍

Fantastic Mr. Pageau. Really expanding my perspective as I try to put away my materialst lense. As someone who did biblical studies in a protestant university my mind is constantly blown! Thanks to God!

Thank you Jonathon for bringing out the meaning and the powerful stories embedded within western religion, liturgy, symbolism and iconography. You have much to teach the priests, ministers and church leaders who have forgotten the power of these symbols and stories. Too many of these ministers ramble through these powerful stories - leaving their flock bereft of deeper meaning, and deeper spiritual experience.

Very grateful for this Jonathan

Just started reading Hymns of Paradise last night, and this showed up in my recommendations this morning. While the algorithm is a little creepy, it made a good recommendation this morning!

Your work is amazing! Regards from Brazil.

The book "Fire Within" by Fr. Thomas Dubay is one of the best volumes on mystical theology, if you would like to better understand the "darkness" involved in the process of purification and sanctification.

Saint Ephrem, got that knowledge, wisdom, and understanding. 🙏🙏 I’m fact, most of the fathers have this understanding of the fall. Irenaeus has a breath taking account of it as well. My goodness, how must the Western world pick up the Fathers and think, Who are these strangers? From whence did they come? Why do they sound so foreign to our speech, so different from our understanding? We have a lot to learn simply by reading the Fathers. Thinks for this talk.

Thank you for sharing what you’re learning, Jonathan!

What a talk! I start wanting even to begin practicing this stuff a bit more. Your best talk I've heard so far!

Jonathan, sincerely thank you for the work you do, it is very special.

Thank you Jonathan! I really enjoyed this talk and the q and a . Lots to think about

An interesting thought is that St Ephrem was born in Nisibis which is a mountainous area in Upper Mesopotamia. If you view the Garden of Eden as the original safe place that mankind was created and lived in, where they lived with God, who also created the Garden When they ate Fruit of Knowledge and became conscious, they had to move out of the Garden and into the dangerous world. The same way we eventually have to move out from our own fathers safe home when we are grown up and conscious, to also go to a new and potentially dangerous place to create our new home.

What our consciousness does for the chair, Christ does for us. E Pluribus Unum. Out of many, one. Thank God for the Pageau brothers and Jordan Peterson.

thank you Jonathan Pageau. I look forward to checking St-Ephrem the Syrian - paradise book.

Finally feel like I'm getting a handle on Pageau's symbolic approach to the Bible and the puzzles of Genesis. THe thorns, the figs, and the rivers. It is exciting. I just never could get the symbolism of movies and art. I do believe in the truth of the symbolic representations. I always thought the mysteries of the life of Jesus had something to do with the origins of human being, Eden, the Fall. I just wish I wasn't so damn old to get started. :)

Jhonathan, I would love to read the Fathers you have read. Could you give me a list of the writings/books you have read? Thank you very much. A follower from Mexico!

These images - like 34:20 - are mind bending, love it! Thank you Mr Pageau

Amazing lecture. Thank you Jonathan 🙏

Thank you for sharing your work Jonathan! 🌹I wish I knew, all you know. Fascinating! All the bits and pieces! This, “Coming down the mountain” or falling farther away from... And this “edge” perspective, in part 2!! Really enjoying receiving this information from you! 💛🧡❤️

This was great Jonathan!

You are a gift! Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us ❤☺️

Jonathan showing the exit

Thank you so much! So inspiring 🙏

What a great talk. So full, rich. The Garden is so much the crux and the model/forms of what follows. As a symbol, what is the Garden in view of the Trinity? Thanks, Jonathan. This is a great place to start with a deeper study.

It took me until about 43 minutes in to fully grasp the concept of the mountain and falling away from the centre. The drawing at the beginning really didn’t help, because it was shaped more like a totem pole than a mountainous garden and I was puzzled at the layout and lack of space but the wheel analogy cleared things up. Thanks Jonathan!

when a father says he could stay there all night you know you've done a decent job

I love this. I'm a Mormon and what Jonathan is explaining the same cosmological structure Joseph Smith taught (informed by his own visions as St. Ephrem was). It has been neglected and abused in our tradition, and I've been working for years now to show anyone who will listen how beautiful, immediate, and present it is. I'm grateful for you, Jonathan.

This was amazing! Can you talk about a story outside a Bible where a garment of skin is turned into a garment glory? I'd be really interested to see what that looks like.

We need your book on this! Please :)

There are some german scholars who think, that the writings, hymns and poems of st. Ephrem the syrian had some significant influence on the authors (=plural !!) of the quran, although they failed to understand St. Ephrem

Thanks!

Thankyou.. this understanding undercover truth

damn bro you're way more profound than jordan peterson and not a lying subversive piece of shit, no wonder you're stuck @40k subs, much love to you

Wow that’s a good lecture

Sounds a lot like C.S. Lewis’s geography of Narnia, especially with regards to the garden of paradise

What's the symbolism of the exit sign between your head and mic?

Really helpful. So, one important take away is that in a traditional world, time is thought of as a degenerative process, that eventually requires a reboot. Technology is a means to delay degeneration. The modern perspective is an inversion of this, where time is a process of perpetual improvement, and change is an escape from the degeneracy of the past. Technology is celebrated as an escape from degeneration. Love your videos.

Your camera set up is absolutely fantastic. Mind me asking what camera you are using?

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Check out our review and discussion of this amazing presentation by Dr. Pageau here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KiN0Quy2TKU.html

Also remember the disciple in the Gospel of Mark who the Pharisees’ gang tries to grab, but who leaves behind his garment and runs away naked. So symbolic of the crucifixion resulting in Adam’s return to being naked.

This was a really wonderful and illuminating talk. Do you know of any publications of the hymns in parallel text between the original and English? Thanks!

So many Christians I know and grew up with would have no idea what this is about. This maybe the most visible of Esoteric Christianity I have come across

As my question may sound a bit ignorant i would love to see what you think about the different churches that have been made over the time and the symbolism between them how we dont just have one church how there is christian, Catholic, 7th day adventist and so on.

A good explanation of the modern problem, yet as Bret said, it cannot solve it by simply being 'dusted off and taken off the shelf'. I'm one of those trying to connect science and symbolic reality. Pushing content soon and making a new church.

Hi Jonathan, I was wondering if you would make a video talking about borrowed pagan symbolism in Christianity and how people talk about the similarities of the story of Christ in prior stories?

There have been so many book recommendation by Pageau and Peterson that I don't actually know which book to start with. I have a quite mild understanding of the meaning of symbolism and how to apply in my reading. I also have a quite mild understanding of Christian existentialism. Which books should I begin with considering my level of understanding?..Something that lays out the holistic, main ideas instead of narrowing in on a specific area.

Another thing... Does this structure also bring some clarity to the idea of "spirits in the air" or spirits being "above" us? If climbing the mountain is the way to paradise, the demonic live at some point on the mountain, and will attempt to prevent people from climbing higher. This would give credence to the common notion I've heard that "the demonic ignore people willingly living a sinful life", because they're already living at the bottom of the mountain. It would also give clarity to why so many Saints, like St. Moses, were no longer tempted by demons after they progressed to a certain part in their spiritual life. It's because the demons can't go that high. It could even be an interpretation of why St. Mary of Egypt couldn't enter the Sepulcher... as she attempted to "ascend" (though unintentionally), her shame (maybe brought out by the demonic) prevented her from entering the Church (or "going higher"). Is my intuition correct?

One question I have, at 1:19:30 you said that St Ephrem had said that God would have allowed Adam & Eve to partake of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil if they had been obedient, since then I assume the knowledge could have been imparted safely and without the potential of the disruption of the hierarchy. I know I had heard this elsewhere as well, anyway is there a scripture or scriptures that this is based on?

There seems to be a direct correlation to the tower of babel as a false, man made garden of eden

Thoughts for later reference : 40:50 if we think that Adam and Eve had the freedom to go Up and Down the mountain and weren't restrained to just one specific level, it explains Free Will in a more logical(?) manner. They were different from the Animals because the latter didn't have the right (nor the capacity I guess?) to step Up the mountain. It also explains why the Serpent was a serpent and not just another celestial being.

unity from multiplicity

Is it possible, that two of the rivers were obliterated by the Flood? Could it be, that two were obliterated and two were saved as proof of the Flood?

Fantastic. I keep telling everybody that you have really come into your own in terms of explaining these ideas, or maybe I’m just now noticing. This might already have been asked, and maybe I’m answering my own question, but isn’t the whole idea of Christ that he is inverting the pyramid, I.e. flipping our traditional ideas of Kingdom and Hierarchy, as in the whole idea of servant leadership? Or is the idea that the ontological hierarchy is maintained in Christ, you might say fulfilled in the sense of his encompassing both the top and the bottom, yet there is a restoration of the idea of genuine love as being the capstone? So there you have it, I think I just answered my own question lol ..Curious your thoughts on that, I have friends that love to talk about the book of revelation as a critique and inversion of the idea of empire per se., as if Empire itself were inherently evil, but I think that’s a bit oversimplified .

Can someone explain the symbolic role in Orthodox tradition of the Mother of God to me? I understand the Christian grid, psychological grid, and multiple Eastern grids - any of those can be used as reference.

just brilliant, if you are unable to see sickness in wellness, you will have to see wellness in sickness.

As much as I enjoy Johnathan's and say, Paul Vanderklay's, videos I believe they should be scrupulously held to account when talking about things like how we form the category of chair, for example, as opposed to say interpretations of Christian scripture. Not from a place of disrespect, superficiality,, trying to present a particular persona, etc., but rather from a place of honest curiosity and desire to leave our children a habitable planet. I think we've been in a 'meaning crisis' for a long time, at least that's all I've personally known, and that we're hurling faster and faster towards whatever resolution there is. Therefore, I don't want come to any conclusion out of an act of desperation as the clock nears midnight and as such every voice that may have the ability to reach the ears of many people should be held especially accountable for what they say owing to the huge area of responsibility they've voluntarily entered into in order to present their counter crisis answers. Blink.

I remember recently reading the part with Jesus and the poor fig tree. It made me wonder: "Why is that story even there?' Now I get it.

Hey Jonathan, do you have any plans to make a video on the movie Ratatouille?

I'm Persian and I didn't know about the Persian gardens.

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I never understand why he doesn’t seem to take it as literal and symbolic, ontological or metaphorical. I like how he took questions in the middle.

Thank you God for this man, his brother and Dr. "World famous" (like if you get the reference) Jordan Peterson. . These men are a great a blessing on many lives

Есть озвучка на русском?....Очень хочется послушать....

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I would like it if someone would do a video on the symbolism of the witch... someone that can be trusted, not someone who wants to talk about spells and overcoming men.

Meru

Интересный замысел! Жаль плохо понимаю английский. Хотелось бы это видео перевести на русский язык

Not that it is an either/or but Ive always preferred Mary as New Eden vs Mary as New Eve.

The coming together of all things in man, I view as the container of the cosmos. It is the nondual primordial oneness that is ever present. It underlies any internal or external phenomenon. It transcends space and time. It has many names through out human history, center, spirit, self, being.

Can you please please send me this book🙏🙏

saying of Ephraim - @lAco

Keep the rivers clean

27:29 Proof that God hates figs.

Some monk wrote down his opinions. Why is this important? Could the Saint read Hebrew? Did the Saint know anything about the history of the ancient near east?

24:40 Did adam and eve not have a physical body before they were covered by garments of skin?

So much depth of knowledge yet I thought I heard you mention “evolution” 🤦🏻‍♂️

Why does Christ curse the fig tree from which Adam covered himself, yet he gives garments of skin?

Why do we go back to our origin when we die?

55:54 post nut clarity

The garden of the mother of God is the cosmos. Eden is the location of the creator at the top of Gods mountain. From his right hand emerges the cosmos. You really need to ask the right people.

Why St Ephrem’s text and not the SCRIPTURE???

Maybe the Buddha was onto something ?

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And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. and all i hear in the video is "the fathers". Can you explain what Jesus meant here?

-I love making the apex ^ sign like Peterson -You're describing how maple syrup is made -Noah is Adam returned as The Father -Women change their garments alot -The Virgin Mary is the God of safespaces

man, that yelling kid is really annoying

In the Garden of Eden, the serpent (Enki) was not the bad one. The serpent actually told the truth and Lord God (Enlil) did not tell the truth. I do see evidence of the Serpent as a Symbol of Spiritual Knowledge and as a symbol for Jesus. John 3 14 Jesus said... And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, In the garden of Eden, the serpent (Enki) gave us ACCESS to intellect and spiritual wisdom, and the Bible says we should be like serpents.. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves (Matthew 10:16, KJV) Luke 17:21 “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”

More Neo-Platonist "Great Chain of Being"? We know better now!

Jesus never called her mother in the Bible. God has no mother. Thats a major difference Christianity has with other father/mother religions. He calls her woman. She is creation as everyone else. Orthodox have some nonne biblical beliefs. There is only Father in our religion. The source. not sun/fathher and moon/mother type like the pagans. Mary is dead waiting for the second coming of Christ as everyone else. Also remember she didnt remain a virgin. So she isnt "the virgin mary".

"How ancient Israelites saw the world"??? Heeetic, you believe that Genesis is not a historical narrative but an allegory!! Shame!!!

Thanks!