@@TheJustina102085 yeah… but I’m really not interested in using their words either. What they condemn as appropriation is mostly imitation done out of admiration of particular cultural attributes. So I don’t even agree with them about that. We both know they ain’t no ways doing it cause they like my slow drawl and appreciate southern hospitality anyway.
I'm new too Andrew Doyle and he just explained what I call "its pointless trying to converse rationally with something that does not recognise reason" sort of thing. I have noticed this too !
I think sometimes it’s easy to forget that youth support things for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it’s reactionary, other times ironically or to be edgy, and as a form of subtle trolling/rebellion. And that support itself oscillates between ardent endorsement to a passerby’s meager glances. Most “support” isn’t endorsement of All things spoken or believed. You can agree with one thing someone says without aligning to all things said.
Very true in past decades - easy to be anti-gun, but pro-life. Yet, the current crop of perma-offended “elite” youth mostly insist on buying their views as a bundle. One in, all in. College is not a coincidence in this equation.
True, though there's nothing 'edgy' or rebellious about aligning with orthodoxy! If youths are agreeing with BlackRock, the supranational organisations etc., they're not the resistance, they're the useful idiots.
As a woman I've experienced toxic femininity so often within groups, and it definitely needs to be talked about more. Covert and dishonest undermining of other women, especially ones that are successful in any way, is one of the worst aspects, and it can be so destructive. We can also talk about the great aspects of masculinity and femininity and how we can strengthen each other. I really admire the genuine friendliness that men seem to experience in all-male groups.
Decline, not conjugate (verbs conjugate; nouns and pronouns decline). But you're absolutely right. There should be no reason to give the genitive and accusative forms (her/his and her/him) after the nominative (he/she). What's really absurd is when the pronouns are mixed: he/hers/them.
What I kind of said in the chat was that it is absurd that someone wants to control how you speak about them when they're not around. The stated pronouns are in the 3d person, if I talk about you to someone else and you are still in the room I would just use your name and not your 3d person pronoun. So it's about control. Petty. Child-like i.e. non-adult behaviour.
@@robdielemans9189 When I was a child and my mother caught me using someone’s pronoun while talking to someone else about them while they were in ear shot my mum would tell me “who is she, the cats mother” adding it’s rude not to use someone’s name when referring to them (meaning the person isn’t some generic female “she” like a cat or a horse, but a person who deserves to be referred by their name).
Thanks for having Andrew on your show, Coleman. Great conversation as always. I detect an uncharacteristic level of assertiveness and counter-positioning (coolness even?) from you in this episode - which I suspect means that you don’t much LIKE Andrew ? I can only imagine that this comes from a misapprehension of his real persona - whereas I see you two as VERY similar spirits, both attracted and repelled by entirely similar things - and both scrupulously erudite. There is zero cruelty about Andrew’s stand-up (or writing) - although there is a certain steadfastness about his opposition to woke dogma. Andrew is definitely one of the good guys - and amongst the good guys, one of the wittiest.
That's interesting. I didn't detect that at all. However I have maybe detected a difference between the interviews done online and interviews done IRL that I believe comes down to online and IRL interviews being two fundamentally different things.
@@ninagohlsson6053 Perhaps that’s it? Coleman does tend to place his two chairs very close together - so it must be difficult for either person to appear totally relaxed. Either way, a great conversation as always.
With just a little more vulgarity, Andrew could be the new Christopher Hitchens. I mean this as an enormous complement. Thanks for bringing him on Coleman.
He’s best known here in the U.K. now for presenting a weekly show called ‘Free Speech Nation’ on GB News TV channel (essential viewing for sane people.) ps. Is a “pro town” a town where use of pronouns has been enforced by radical trans activists?
MINORITY can win when the MAJORITY doesn't stand up or speak up for their RIGHTS. BRILLIANT interview. THANK YOU BOTH for having this conversation. 👏 👏 👏
spot on with new zealand. you wouldn't believe what children are tought in schools here. I witnessed children as young as 9 giving speeches and lecturing their parents about trans rights and colonialism. Parents are scared to say something wrong in front of their own children. To me it feels scary like 1984 scary and I don't intend to stay in this country when my child arrives to this world.
Most people here don't have a clue about what is happening. The woke are very good at anchoring their ideology on actual historical issues. No one sees that the Kiwi versions of CT and CRT are a copy of what is happening everywhere. That makes it almost impossible to counter it without immediately flagging yourself as an [fill in the blank]ist. Critical Pedagogy is now the key concept in education. They have blatantly put CRT at the centre of the curriculum. They don't have to try and sneak it in. It is in. It is the fulcrum.
As a Māori, the alignment with traditional Māori ways of knowing with science is a misappropriation. Māori ways of knowing were methodical, but not scientific. It also subjects spiritual ways of think about the world to the reductive philosophy of science. The are both important, but both distinct.
These people don't care about you, your people or your culture. To them it is a means to an end, a tool, nothing more. That is the case with all of their pet victim groups and all their causes. That's why truth and logic don't matter to them. The only thing they care about is power. Their entire ideology is centered around power.
The thought experiment about stopping crime is basically what Singapore has done. And it’s largely worked - Singapore has insanely low crime, even minor crimes like littering.
I like watching you guys. You’re not like, hostile. So many other people talking about this stuff, on the left and right, seem to be brimming with smug, poorly-concealed, concealed anger. Maybe because you haven’t called any names or insulted anyone.
Nothing annoys me more than someone using the pronoun 'they' to refer to one person. I then have to go back and reframe what I was thinking from more than one person to just the one. No better way to make me lose interest in whoever that person is.
I really enjoy hearing rational dialogue in this world where so many non-sequiturs are uttered daily in the media. I've been irritated with efforts to manipulate public language going all the way back to the introduction of "hyphenated American" terms. Once you dilute "American", regardless of what precedes it, you've desecrated the altar of the ideal. The very notion of "American" is already inclusive, or it was back when I learned it in the early 70s.
I have followed quite a few IDW types over the years. Andrew is one of the few who still has both feet planted firmly on the ground. Not woke but also not reactionary tinfoil hatty...
Manhood, in my construct, does not include cancelling, shaming, threatening, attacking women.Please spend some more time listening to more interviews with the detransitioners/Regretters. Consider bringing on Buck Angel.
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Loved this discussion, but I think u tend to interrupt quite a bit. Let your guest fully explain & finish what they want to say,& never assume u know more about what their talking about. I don’t even think u realize u do it. Other than that- this was a great listen!
I dont know why so many intelligent people, like Coleman and Andrew, agree that calling men 'she' and women 'he' is polite or a courtesy. This is one of the reasons that we have ended up in this mess. Sorry, should have also said thank you for the discussion. Really interesting. Keep up the good work!
"As a matter of politeness & respect... " See, that's what I have a real problem with. Respect is something you earn. Are you saying that somebody gets respect from you just because they're pretending to be the opposite sex? So they're delusional and you're automatically respecting them because not only are they delusional but they are determined to force you to use the words that they will put in your mouth, or else... I'm sorry but that's really messed up man. Are you really trying to say that a forceful, rude, loud < 3% of the population Who are trying to make themselves feel important and determined to force other people to go along with their delusion automatically deserve respect from the other 95+ plus percent of us?
I had no idea you changed your channel and you're someone who I was subscribed to that would come up regularly, I'd watch pretty much every one of your videos. Then you just stopped coming up n when I just searched for this guest you came up. Try publicizing the fact that you changed your channel, I had no idea, as a regular viewer you just disappeared. Anyway, glad I just found you. Very cool setup. Can't wait to watch what I've missed.
Oh but they do get to control your language, especially in the workplace. I'm in favour of any opposition to this, but all opposition has consequences at this point, because they have complete control over government, legal system, institutions and the private sector. There's only one battle left in this war, before they have completely won and that's for your mind. So that's the point that they will make, refusing to use made up pronouns is the same as using foul language in the office, abuse or harassment. There's serious teeth behind this stuff. But there's only three ways to respond, compliance, passive non compliance and active non compliance. The latter two will both get you in trouble, the former will destroy your soul. So at some point we all need to realize no job is worth the humiliation and destruction of your soul that is a woke struggle session. I for one have never been in a situation like this because I'm so averse to it that I changed careers before it came along.
The "folks" thing in my opinion isn't just the south, rather it's more rural areas, since I'm from Maine and I hear folks all the time in the more rural parts of New England.
Coleman the "clips" of your album at the beginning of these videos is literally like four seconds long. I don't even think that counts as an excerpt, make them longer!
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Love Doyal, but I wish he would stop saying that it's a tiny group of people. That may have been the case 6 years ago, but today... It's a large majority
The speculation on Andrew Tate's popularity is not unrealistic. He is provocative for sure, but he is also the consequence of the relentless bad rap served upon maleness by the Media, spineless parenting and the education system that compels boys to apologise for their unexplained misogyny.
How would someone know someone else is using their "correct" pronouns? You usually wouldn't use a 3rd person singular pronoun in front of the person you are talking about.
It's a mistake to assume this is meant to make sense. This is among other things, a war on reason. It isn't a bug, it's a feature. It's one of the primary methods by which they obtain power.
I don't owe any respect to your personal ideology or beliefs: you are not obliged to pray God or genuflect if I say to you that I believe in God; so I don't have to use your "preferred language" in order to "respect" you, you don't own the language and its usage, all the more so if your belief is patently absurd and false. Instead, since you ask me to use weird pronouns in order to have me implicitly acknowledging your ideology, I absolutely refuse to do that.
I like listening to Andrew and I like interesting discussions. I am a Gen X woman and I don’t agree that Tate is toxic he’s just not kissing the arse of feminism. Society is suffering because many toxic mothers have kept good fathers out of the kids lives. Many men are just treated as ATM machines. Putting aside what he’s done or not done he’s talking about stoicism to boys. Also Tate is a Muslim he’s stating the rules of his religion. It’s a business decision for him to be a Muslim. It means he’s got business connections in the Middle East. Tate actually says he loves women and treats his woman or women appropriately for his religion. You need to separate the hype from the words. Jordan is giving the advice a good father would give, if they’d had a father in the home.
Great discussion. Thank you. I found the points around research into influences on boys very insightful. Andrew Tate is a false role model for some boys.
@@kiwigrunt330 plenty of men can step into that void like my husband who is a great husband and father. It’s men that are creating an online porn and internet games industries that are addicting boys.
The Irony of complaining about people not reading Peterson and condemning him when both of these people have clearly never listened to Tate but are content to condemn him is hilarious.
19:45 the Sun and the moon are social constructs in that we have given them categories as things floating in space. That does not negate the fact they are both very real differences. The problem with activist types seems to come not understanding language does not dictate what a reality of an object/animal etc is.
I think we could stop this nonsense if we all downloaded the sound of nails on a chalkboard (or audio feedback) and represented that as our preferred pronoun.
