I have no words to express how much this message helped me. It was the word Gnosticism in the title that did it. It would take too long to explain the burden I have had as of late concerning a Bible study group I'm attending. I thank God mightily for both the message and your heart for HIM and HIS sheep to bring it.
I imagine you are in a study that is teaching Calvinism and it has caused great despair due to trying to figure out how to be faithful to and love God if He is what Calvinism says He is... Having to accept the supposed "truths" of Calvinism is unbelievably horrible to the soul as it means God is nothing like we had thought Him to be. I am sorry for the terrible burden you are carrying. Please rest assured there are absolutely faithful, BIBLICALLY SOUND answers to the Calvinist claims. If you haven't already looked more into them, I'd suggest watching more content from Soteriology 101 or Alana L. It will provide release from your burden. Much love & blessings to you
@@dannymcmullan9375scripture also speaks of free will. God himself repenting, Christ tasting death for EVERY man, choosing life, not hardening your heart. If God is not willing that ANY perish....then who are the any ? Who are the "WHOSOEVER'S" scripture clearly states ? To the Calvinist the work of Christ is not enough. YOU have to do something also. No matter what they speak on faith, it always comes down to works ultimately.
He doesn't know what Gnosticism is. In Gnosticism the Creator is a lesser god, a demiurge who creates the unclean physical, which is what the Gnostic seeks to escape from. It has nothing to do with God electing those He will save. John 6 tells us that God acts in salvation, not that we choose without God first changing us: All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. ... No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. (John 6:37, 44)
"A different Jesus than the one you know." I feel this. I was raised Calvinist but it wasn't something we focused on and I didn't really think about it. I was so young and there was still so much I didn't understand that it was easy to brush it aside and just think "I'll understand when I'm older." But I got saved as a young child and fell in love with the real Jesus from the Bible. When I grew up and got married we found a good church and everything was great. We moved a couple times and found good church each time but when we moved again we started attending a Presbyterian church and really got confronted with Calvinism. I was primed to believe it but really letting myself think about it and its implications made me feel like God was way less loving and less merciful than I thought he was. But we were led astray for 11 years by some bad proof texting and bad philosophy. I wish I had listened to the voice inside (the Holy Spirit?) that said "something isn't right". But we are taught that our hearts are deceitful and we are hopelessly sinful (yes even as Christians) so we can't trust our own thoughts, just trust the Bible (but really it's their interpretation of the Bible which is deterministic philosophy). I am so thankful to be free of that and know the true and loving and merciful Jesus that He is!
Calvinism: a puny doctrine for a puny god. I was walking with Christ for 20 years when I began to be gaslighted, descending into a Calvinist cavern for 23 years. But praise God, the Way, the Truth, the Life, and the Word led me out of the darkness into the bright sunlight of God's love once again.
Thank you so much for this series…I didn’t know what Calvinism was until I started going to college (Liberty University), and a lot of my friends are Calvinists. Over time, both their influence and the influence of some professors had made me start looking at Calvinism/Reformed theology and I have found myself gradually aligning with it (with many reservations, since I have always seen Calvinism’s blatantly unbiblical aspects like limited atonement). There is definitely a pressure from these people that you HAVE to pick a position or you aren’t saved/are lukewarm or something, and for someone like me who grew up nondenominational or Baptist at best, these topics were new to me and, having no way to answer these hard questions about “election” and “predestination”, I clung to what I was familiar with (my friends’ Calvinism). It has been a struggling point for me for a LONG time because of how passionate, knowledgeable, and seemingly genuine Calvinists are, which contributes to how convincing their theological position is. Thank you for helping me finally reject Calvinism as a legitimate belief system for a born again Christian.
Good segment. The biggest problem is that Calvinism creates a world-view for the Christians who believe it. If only stayed within a certain category, then it wouldn't be as bad, but it doesn't. It infects every single way that you read Scripture and the way you live out your Christian life. Bottom line: Calvinism begins its life as a philosophy of determinism. Determinism is a philosophy that even many atheists believe. When you begin with that belief then you have to make everything you read in Scripture conform to that belief. It doesn't begin with Scripture but with philosophy and Calvinism is full of philosophy.
It is full of philosophy, but many of them, such as John MacArthur, will say that philosophy is evil. It's just another thing they say that contradicts themselves, which they constantly do. I believe they created a false gospel because they use doctrine to create a gospel instead of using the Gospel to interpret doctrine. Their doctrine is their foundation instead of the Gospel. The Gospel is the only foundation that we can build on. Any other foundation will cause their doctrine to collapse, whether they acknowledge it or not.
Amen and Amen! See you there! And I hope and pray to see all Cauvinists there too! It's hard to repent (by using our God-given free will!) of error but with our God, all things are possible!
Thank you, Brian, I was a big follower of Pastor John MacArthur for a number of years and never knew what Calvinism was so thank you for opening my eyes to this false gospel.
I’m not the judge of men’s souls, but you’re absolutely right… Calvinist teaching a different God and a different Jesus, therefore it is a false Gospel. It’s simply not Biblical
Last year, our family left a United Methodist Church after many years. We began attending a non-denominational church and have been fed and filled by the depth of the scriptural teaching. However, in time, we have come to realize there is a heavy push of Calvinism. I began researching the TULIP model they adhere to and am unsettled by questions I have about this. Thank you for your clear explanations and scripture references that have helped immensely!
Most reform churches are calvinist. Baptists are heavily calvinist and most nondenominational churches are extensions of various offshoots of the Baptist movement. The key tell of those is believers Baptism, which is not biblical, unless believers circumcision is as well, which it isn't. I'm not equating the two, just making the point that spiritual authority exists and it didn't disappear anymore than sheol did, but thinking like that is how you end up with garbage doctrine like limbo and believer's Baptism.
@apo.7898 Do you not read the Bible? He got baptized for the same reason he got resurrected. He is the first heir. He is the new Adam. He does what he wants us to do and then says, "Come, follow me." He also says "siffer thr children to come unto me", which means MAKE SURE THEY DO, not "teach them to get baptized when they have a testimony" because parents have spiritual authority over their children. Baptism places a spiritual mark upon the soul, marking them as one of God's people. Parents who really believe and who then put off baptism are by biblical standards, negligent and sinful Parents, preventing their children from bearing the mark of God. In short, he did it so you would, too.
By the way for anyone interested in more information on the Gnostic roots of Calvinism please read, "The Foundation of Augustinian-Calvinism" by Dr. Ken Wilson. In the later period of Augustine's life he imported the Gnostic interpretations of the text right out of his Manichaeism roots to combat Pelagius. After his conversion out of this Gnostic cult he wrote like every other church father all the way back to Jesus. Literally no one in the whole of church history interpreted the text of scripture in this manner until Augustine.
I think Wilson wrote the book to cover up his dissertation. I got his dissertation and compared what he said Augustine said against what Augustine actually said. Almost everything is a lie. Wilson is a liar
@@dannymcmullan9375 it's time to put up then. Because you have now called a Christian brother a liar. Of course I know that he's telling the truth as it is history even admitted by reformed historians, but by all means prove your case.
@@dannymcmullan9375 I would still like you to show HOW Dr. Ken Wilson was lying. And how that even though reformed historians stated in scholarly work that Augustine was the first to introduce the distinctives of Calvinism, that they too were lying, and it was taught by early Church founders.
@@dannymcmullan9375 Um, have you read anything Augustine wrote? He plainly admits in his 'Confessions' that he was a Manichaean gnostic. So much for Ken Wilson "totally misrepresenting Augustine trying to link Calvinism to Manichaeism". I assume (maybe I shouldn't) you know Calvin imported his toxic ideas from Augustine. So, there's your link between Calvinism and Manichaeism. Do some actual research outside the Calvinist cult bubble.
When people make the claim that calvinism is the gospel of CHRIST then those people are teaching a false gospel and become not only an enemy of the gospel but an enemy of CHRIST JESUS HIMSELF as well .
Right. When people say but X is the gospel one should be careful. People say Calvinism is the gospel or PSA is the gospel, and then when someone has a different understanding that doesn't adhere to that specific theology is suddenly outside. And people stop questioning the doctrines and instead eisegeting scripture.
I don’t agree with the logical conclusions of Calvinism that God ordained people to hell. But I believe he could if He wanted to ( Romans 9) which lead me to a truer gospel that while I was in total rebellion by nature and dead in my sin - God saved me in Christ. The Israelites/ His chosen were given a blood of the lamb to the exclusion of the Egyptians . And that alone should make us humble in any good we do “ for “ the Lord.. as it was truly Him who did good for me .
@@sikeajaxWhether GOD can do whatever HE wants isn't the subject of the discussion and never is that i know of . The discussion is what does scripture actually tell us that GOD did do ..THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB CHRIST JESUS wasn't just given to Israel , it was given to all of GOD'S creation thus completely destroying the claims of calvinism . Their claim is that CHRIST only died for some when scripture plainly tells us that is a false claim over n over in explicit passages saying that CHRIST died for all and is a propitiation for the sins of the whole world , 1 John 2 : 2 and that CHRIST has offered salvation to every creature in the whole world through the preaching of the gospel, Mark 16 : 15 tells us this explicitly .The subject of romans 9 isn't personal salvation to begin with , it's describing the election of GOD'S servants to bring forth the bloodline of our SAVIOR and being a witness to the world but calvinists try to make it about themselves and seem to think that everything GOD has done concerning HIS choice of election is because of them and for them . Nowhere in scripture do we see where GOD has predestined anyone to be saved but instead we see already saved people being told that because theyre in CHRIST theyre predestined to the adoption ( redemption of body ) where we will be holy and blameless before GOD . Those who have believed have received THE SPIRIT of adoption whereby we cry ABBA FATHER ( Romans 8 : 15 ) in earnest and are predestined to the actual adoption for which we wait , to wit , the redemption of the body , romans 8 : 23 .
@@cecilspurlockjr.9421 there are plenty of verses about destiny chosen for individuals: Proverbs 16:4: “The Lord has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble.”. 1 Peter 2:7-8: “‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,’ and ‘A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.’ They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.” Jude 4: “Certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God.” 2 Peter 2:3: “And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.”
I really believe that this recent surge in Calvinism has reached its peak. You are seeing a lot of people such as yourself pushing back against it, exposing the heresy of it. I think it is about to start declining, and hopefully won't see another upsurge during our lifetimes!
I think you are right too. Calvinism is simply a ridiculous gospel. That is what I started calling it. It’s time to stop sugar coating it and call it for what it is. It’s very foundation was built on corruption because its leader, John Calvin, was a murderous reprobate. Calvinists are quick to call everyone else false and are arrogant but their gospel may be sicker than Catholicism. After all, at least Catholics believe Jesus died for all.
Not in our area. Vintage Mission under the guidance of Christ Church AZ is planting churches. We decided to leave our mega church. I’m having to look at church beliefs and lessons to weed out the Calvinist churches. 3 weeks checking out Christ Church taught me how critical it is to examine a church before I set foot in a door.
@@ASonoran When I was doing my research into Jean Cauvin, I quickly learned to identify certain keywords or phrases used, often to cover or camouflage the real nature of a paper/article/book. It helped save me a lot of time so I didn't have rehash the trash over and over. Some of the deceivers have gotten fairly clever at hiding their true selves, but if you keep them talking the truth will blurt out.
One of the things the Calvies ignore is that Jean was a Roman Catholic. He ratted on Servetus as a bad guy and did nothing when he was burned at the stake.
The Servetus affair was more complex and far more nasty than Cauvin's fanboys would have you believe through their propaganda. It really started when Jean Cauvin demanded the Geneva Council declare, and place into law, that he is The One and Only Voice of God on Earth...AND....that his writings or utterances be declared as Holy Writ that could not be spoken against. So the Council put both into law and more insidiously enforced it by the sword, axe, burning stake, torture chamber. Torture was not a success unless the accused agreed with Jean Cauvin. If you didn't submit to Cauvin then things got much worse. I used to believe all those wonderful stories about Cauvin but after several years and hundreds of hours digging into the REAL man in Geneva, my view changed 180 degrees. What a monster and deceiver he was and that's the nicest things I can say, as there's LOTS more.
Jean Cauvin was the one and only prime "advocate" in Geneva to persecute Servetus. The Roman Catholic church already had issued a death warrant for Servetus. But Cauvin wanted the joy of killing Servetus himself. He could've just turned him over to the Archbishop next door and let the Catholics execute him. THAT my friends is a frightening exposure of the true darkness and evil within Jean Cauvin. fun fact: Servetus really made Cauvin super angry by writing in Cauvin's books making notes where he disagreed.
Calvinists are NOT Christians, they do not worship the same God of the Bible just as the LDS do not worship the God of the Bible. This being said, most "Calvinists" do not understand what Calvinism actually teaches and need to be saved from that deception.
Why would God create someone and just throw them away, because they were not chosen? Why would he make promises to people if they couldn't accept what he said? There would be no point in making promises, if they didn't have the capability to accept it. The chosen part is easily understood, if we realize that God has foreknowledge, and can see into the future and see who accepts or rejects the Gospel. Only He knows for sure who will be saved and who won't be. We don't...that's why we are free to take the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the world. God does the saving by the Holy Spirit...leading them to Christ through His word.
Thank you for defending the true faith once delivered to the saints nearly 2000 years ago. The spirit that influenced John Calvin was a demon of false doctrines which has shipwrecked the faith of many saints. It leads to arrogance on one hand (for those who believe they are special as one of the few that God loved rather than one of the many that God hated) and fear, hopelessness, and depression for those who struggle with doubt that they may not be one of the elect. Do not quench the Spirit of God and continue to stir up that gift that is within you. We need more like you. Grace and peace in Christ. ✝️🙏🏼😇
I was asked by a Calvinist pastor, "Would you be glad you made a choice for Jesus when you get to heaven?" I said "Yes!". he said, "Then you stole the glory from God". Huh? Because I'm happy in Heaven for choosing Jesus, then that somehow TAKES glory from God? Hogwash. Basically, the Calvinist makes "belief" a work, and since we can't get there by our works, then God must have believed for us? Hogwash. God gave EVERY ONE OF US FAITH. It's up to us to either ACCEPT it or REJECT it. That isn't work, it's faith, and Paul beats a dead horse saying the faith and works are completely DIFFERENT THINGS. But the Calvinist says otherwise? Nope, I'll stick with the Bible.
@@shadowmist1246 Yes, they say we are "free" to do what we please, but we can't choose to be saved. So we are "free" to do our own will, but that doesn't include choosing Jesus, unless God changes us FIRST. I think that's an oxymoron. Or just a moron. LOL.
Stupid people don't know they are stupid. A fool is wise in his own eyes. A stupid fool is cock sure he is right because that is his cool aid of choice. Satan has many flavours which appeal to every vice you can think of.
Yes, Calvinists muddle up faith and works, using a weird ‘logic’. It’s ridiculous, biblically, for them to say that believing or obeying the gospel message must be a work. The NT clearly says that if salvation is of faith, then it is not of works.
Thank you Thank you Thank you I am completely grateful for this we are still healing from the ridiculous Calvinist church split ! I am getting so informed by your videos and so please keep it up!!!
You are totally correct to point out that Calvinism increases in popularity - in direct proportion to the degree to which Calvinists are INCONGRUENT with the doctrine. And Calvinism similarly decreases in popularity - in direct proportion to the degree to which Calvinists live CONGRUENT with the doctrine. For example - per the underlying doctrine - Calvin's god is a divine potter of Romans 9 - who creates the vast majority of his creatures - specifically for eternal torment in a lake of fire - for his good pleasure. He also creates the greater percentage of believers to be CHAFF believers - whom he deceives with a FALSE SENSE of salvation. No Calvinist is granted any CERTAINTY of his elect status because the doctrine stipulates the elect are solely and exclusively known only to Calvin's god - who deceives those believers he has created and designed to be CHAFF. Those are two *CRITICAL* parts of the TRUE FACE of the doctrine. John Calvin -quote By the eternal *GOOD PLEASURE* of god THOUGH THE REASON DOES NOT APPEAR, they are *NOT FOUND* but *MADE* worthy of destruction. - (Concerning the Eternal Predestination of god pg 121) However - if you shine a flash-light on any of those aspects of the doctrine - you will find Calvinists today who will absolutely bristle at it and call it a gross misrepresentation. They will perform 1001 *EVASIVE TAP DANCE ROUTINES* trying to paint *COSMETIC MASKS* over the TRUE FACE of the doctrine - in attempts to hide what it really looks like. The reason Calvinists spend 99% of their time manufacturing *COSMETIC MASKS* to cover the face of the doctrine - is because they know Calvinism will go the way of the Dinosaur if Calvinists are honest and people are told the truth. Blessings! And thank you for your channel!
I don't think I've ever heard a bigger misrepresentation (misunderstanding) of calvinism or such a complete ignorance of what gnosticism is. To suggest that the French Huguenot martyrs, the English martyrs in the reign of Queen "Bloody" Mary, John Bunyan, George Whitfield, John Knox, Charles Spurgeon, etc., were all "gnostics" is simply preposterous and uncharitable.
I never mentioned any of those people. I simply read the WCOF and have stated the obvious about it. You are the one invoking their names. Stop putting words in my mouth I never said. That is dishonest.
Thanks for unpacking this historic confusinng subject on calvinism n opening the teaching of the true gospel. The gospel as the whole Bible has to be taught correctly in its context.
If you add to the gospel requirements like some wanted to add circumcision in Paul's day, Paul says this is a false gospel (See Galatians and those teaching this are anathema. The Westminster Confession adds 30 some such additions.
Amen! God bless you greatly. CalvinISM is Damnable devil doctrine. They preach another gospel, let them be accursed. God is No respecter of persons. He did not create robots
You know what got me about Calvinism when I got into it briefly for a year ….first I was wow I don’t deserve it, that God chose me, but then my next thought was about those who are not chosen by no choice of their own and I felt for them and I thought if I feel sad for them, certainly God does and why would God do that to himself Because I certainly can’t love sinners more than God does. I did not like this at all and I just prayed and prayed and said Lord, if this is of you help me to accept it, but I don’t like it. Well, God delivered me out of it. And that’s why I believe Calvinism has a spirit of bondage about it……their spiritual eyes are darkened. They cannot see. They absolutely cannot see. So now I can see both sides which is really cool. And I see how they are false. After God delivered my mind from this nonsense, I was so happy and I was like “oh thank you thank you thank you. I’m so glad that you love everybody and everybody can come to you if they will choose to come to you.” ❤❤❤
That's the inevitable conclusion of hyper focusing on penal substitutionary atonement. The passover lamb was never a sin sacrifice. The ram of Abraham was never a sin sacrifice. The scapegoat was never even killed, let alone sacrificed, the sin of the people was put on the scapegoat and it was sent out of the community. The death of the Animal was incidental to the utilization of the elements of purification and communal worship. The blood cleanses and purifies and the meat is consumed both by God and the worshippers in a communal meal with God. And sin offerings and sacrifices aren't limited to animals, there are grain offerings and wine offerings that expiate sin as well. When the focus is on the death and not on the cleansing and communion, the purpose of worship and sacrifice are lost and distorted. We end up with "Well obviously Jesus HAD TO die ...for some reason. And people HAD TO reject him for some reason" So, when people get to that mindset of "Well, I don't want to be a Christian" or "I don't believe in god" or what have you, there has to be a reason for that, and since God is in control of everything, then their eschewing God has to also be the will of God, and ta-da, predestination.
Just discovered this channel. Good presentation! I’m looking forward to watching more. Subscribed! It’s very interesting that just this week I began reading the Westminster Confession for the first time. I knew nothing at all about it but I hadn’t got very far into it before I recognised it’s clear Calvinistic teaching, which gave me a feeling of great disappointment and I did not feel much like reading any further, so I didn’t!
Good for you! It is not a good read. LOL. Welcome and thanks for subscribing. There will be plenty more on Calvinism but also other interesting topics within Christianity that are controversial but important to talk about. God bless you!
@@mkuroshthe verses that supposedly support the doctrines, don't actually support the doctrines. I read the Westminster Confession and looked up the "supporting" verses and found they did not support it at all. Have you looked up the verses?
Who is the Elector? Only Christ can save anyone; not their church brand name or themselves. Did the Lord choose Abraham and Israel? I think He did. How dare Him do that! It was not fair. Did He even ask if this interfered with their freewill?
There's two options for the people: 1. Believe the bible and put the scriptures in practice as it is written. 2. Believe man's interpretation of the bible. Please consider Jeremiah 17:5 before you make your choice: Jeremiah 17:5 KJV - Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. And here's the blessing for those who choose GOD'S scriptures and REST in it. Jeremiah 17:7-8 Jeremiah 17:7 KJV - Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. All glory to Lord God Almighty and Jesus Christ my savior, blessed be his NAME forever and ever. Numbers 6:24-27 Revelation 22:16-17
Well delivered message! Calvinists are basically saying we are saved without faith in the risen Christ! If their message were true, why would we have children? Quite a risk if they’re not ‘the elect’.
Calvinist teachers have that covered. They are taught that a Calvinist parent will only get children that are Elect. I think it is called Covenant children. The Calvinist parent is required to get the baby baptized as an infant, to make the 'Election" stick. Truth in Love
@@truth7416Yep. Lots of the patriarchy theobros believe this as they are also Calvinists; Doug Wilson, Joel Webbon, Voddie Baucham, Michael Foster, etc.
I joined a church once, which my new wife was a part of, and it was (and still is) a great church full of wonderful people and great Christians. But it was of a Calvinist denomination, and when I joined, they were worried for me, since through some of the things I'd evidently said, it was clear that I was not a Calvinist... so they gave me several books to study (I guess to "cure" me of my "Arminian" beliefs)! One of the things they gave me to read was the Westminster Catechism, as well as The Institutes... It never took. I studied more and more, and prayed more and more, and I actually became even more sure that Calvinism is much more of a logical system than a biblically derived theology. I became even more sure of my original convictions about the scope of the Atonement and the nature of faith. I used to think I was a "four point Calvinist," but the more I studied each tenet, the more I realized that every one of the five points went out of bounds of Scripture, and warped the clear contextual meaning of each one as it addresses Soteriology, Ecclesiology, etc... I'm more of a REMONSTRANT now-- but not even an Arminian Remonstrant, since they, too, affirmed the "reformed" view of Total Inability and also held to Prevenient Grace, which denies the Scriptural understanding of the power of the Word of God and the preaching of the Gospel as sufficient to bring about faith in the hearer.
That same type of thing happened to me. The new stealthy, Calvinistic pastor that came in, slowly took over the Eldership with OTHER Calvinists, was hounding me to accept his Calvinism. The more I studied the subject, the further from Calvinism I moved. So much that he called me an Arminian. That is the Calvinist mindset. If you aren't one of them, then you must be an Arminian. Leighton's ministry helped me to deal with this unbiblical teaching, and I ended up leaving that church with a bad taste in my mouth for this man-made crap. He kept trying to get me to read extrabiblical literature, so that I could "understand" Calvinism and become more like him. Well, that is exactly how JWs get people to believe that crap. They cram all this OTHER literature down the throats of their people, that the Bible becomes secondary to their writings. If anybody says, just read this book or that book, and you'll understand better, RUN FROM THEM. The Bible is the inspired Word of God, not Charles Spurgeon's books.
@@richbaker7187 Yeah, the whole "if you're not a Calvinist, you must be an Arminian" thing has always irked me. It's a strange sort of brain maze/rat trap that they get stuck in! It's not very intellectual, yet they are the smart ones, supposedly.
Amen! God bless you greatly . CalvinISM is Damnable devil doctrine. God is No respecter of persons. God did not make robots. They preach another gospel, let them be accursed. They cannot understand the simplicity of the the Word WHOSOEVER believes. So simple a child can understand. John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will Draw ALL men unto me.
I find this to be generally slanderous. I’m 2/3rds into this and all I see is you putting words into people’s mouths. Scripture is very clear that many are called but few are chosen. None of us get to decide who’s chosen and who’s not. God is the one who will show who is truly His in the end. Surely there will always be people, who out of their ego and madness, will assume the throne of God and start deciding who’s saved and who’s not, but that is not what this is saying, and i’m not even a calvinist. Jesus died so that all might be saved, but we all know that everyone will NOT be saved. God knows that too, yet in His infinite mercy and Grace, Christ died for all of us, of whom some were his enemies. The doctrine of predestination is Gospel-centered, that God draws people to Him through the “foolishness” of preaching The Gospel. Those that are His (whom we do not know, but He does), will be moved in their heart to Salvation. Some will come sooner and some will come later, but those who die without Christ/Belief in Christ, are surely not saved. The anger in this video at this does not seem palatable in light of Scripture. You and I are noone to dare question God on why he chooses some and not others. We don’t deserve to even bear His image. We should be grateful that God has even drawn us close to Him through Christ to begin with and just shut our mouths except for when preaching of The Sovereignty of Christ.
I don’t care if you think it’s slanderous. Truth is truth and I bet you get all your Bible information spoonfed to you by a bunch of deceiving Calvinists who choose to reject the clear Word of God and instead choose to follow John Calvin because they are loyal to the Calvinist cult.
Our church is going through this right now. It is heartbreaking that people are willing to compromise the truth for the sake of “unity”. Men who are considered leaders unwilling to honesty look at the claims of Calvinism/Reformed teaching , yet willing to “ lord it over” those who are trying to warn of the deception and destructiveness of this heresy.
May I ask instead of constantly bashing other Christians. We're are your videos on 'What is the Gospel?" "What does it mean to be Born-again? ....What is Lordship Salvation?...Are we saved by Faith alone? Or by Faith and Works?.....etc Otherwise I'm beginning to think Satan's using you in a very not so subtle way to divide Christians to hate or disdain reformed Christians. 'Testify' on RU-vid is a excellent Christian defending the Faith in response to Muslims, Atheist, Did Jesus rise from the dead, He response to Bart Erhman claims against Jesus etc.etc....Eric Manning of 'Testify' digs deep on a lot of Theology, he was asked in the comments section about reformed Christians and he doesn't put them outside of Christian orthodoxy. I love watching Ray Comfort sharing the Gospel in Public, he's got videos on Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. And no surprises videos pop up he's a false teacher.
No, you may not ask me anything because your comment is rude and abrasive. I am not bashing other Christians, but calling out false teachings of Calvinism and a few of the worst wolves in sheep's clothing that lead Christians astray into Calvinism. You saying Satan is using me surely sounds like what real bashing is, so I am calling you out as a major hypocrite. And I could just as easily say that Satan is using you to try to discourage me from helping Christians be aware of the grave dangers of Calvinism and its false doctrines that directly change the true Gospel of Jesus Christ into something different. Why do you want people to hope they are of the elect for salvation rather than place their hope and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation? By the way, I shared what the true Gospel is very clearly in this video walking through the Scripture on how one is saved, and I suspect you need to hear it if you are trusting in a doctrine of man, so please go back and watch from where you stopped, because clearly you did not watch much of this video before writing this ridiculous comment.
Augustine. Luther. Calvin. Spurgeon. Owens. Edwards. Ryle. Whitefield. Lloyd-Jones. Packer. These are the giants you are refuting. None infallible, that’s without question. But it’s an uphill battle to discount the collective teachings of these men concerning Christ and the gospel.
Amen. You have to content with Augustine. If you are interested in Christianity, the unfolding of it through real time you have to take a look at what others have concluded throughout history. To discount everyone before the year say 1900 is foolish. Not that you must agree with them, but to discount 2,000 years of Christian lives and writings is foolish. To say that none of these people for near 2,000 years where Christians but I am is scary.
The false religion of Bildad - "For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers*: (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:) Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart? *Bildad calls the the fathers while Todd calls them the giants.
@@gregsquire9704 True. And baby-sprinklers, hence they transliterated the Greek word baptizo instead of translating it to immerse (my opinion.) I'm KJV only in what I recommend, but Calvinist prejudice exists, including the non-translation of "pas" at the beginning of Rom 10:13. The ESV is Calvinist prejudice on steroids.
Huh, the Calvinists I know are under the belief that trusting in Christ's perfect work and atoning sacrifice is what redeems us, not knowledge. They must have missed the gnostic bit. It would make sense to tell everyone the gospel because you don't know who will be receptive or how God will use you correct?
This video is not about the Calvinists you know, but about the Calvinists that are the leaders and teachers and pastors that lead people in Calvinism. Many of these influential people adhere to the Westminster Confession of Faith which is to them more important than the Bible. If you find yourself in disagreement with the WCOF presented in this video that is a wonderful thing. That means you are not fully indoctrinated into full-blown Calvinism yet, and there is still hope for you.
The Calvinists I know believe that also, but there’s a lot of ‘additional’ things they believe. The teachers also understand full well that these doctrines originated with Augustine (a Manichaean apologists prior to conversion) and are greatly influenced by him as well as Calvin, Luther and John Owen. This is what makes me so angry! They are not upfront about their belief system and teach it as if it is the only truth.
What you said after the 9 minute mark is EXACTLY how I came face-to-face with the Calvinist leaven. Our church was handed over to another assembly after our pastor retired. He really had some personal issues and stepped down, and a few Elders left to go with their kids who attended other churches. The new eldership that came in was pure, undefiled Calvinistic. I was the main worship leader at this congregation, and I also filled in every now and then for the pastor when he had a conference out of the area, or went on a trip. I loved the people, love preaching, and loved leading worship. Once the new pastor took over, which was very subtle, he then engaged me on my "soteriology", and I found out he was a Calvinist. I had to do some research on this because all I knew of Calvinism before this time was that they were the ones on youtube videos of evangelists out there, like Living Waters, and other street apologists, who were engaging the evangelists and arguing the gospel with them, distracting them from engaging the lost. I found them arrogant and quite counterproductive to what the evangelist was doing. After researching Calvinism, I then openly rejected the TULIP to the pastor. I was then removed slowly from my worship ministry, and was told that I would never preach from the pulpit again, because of my rejection of the TULIP. This took about 6 months from the time the new, young pastor and his family moved into the area. Our congregation basically handed over a huge church property to these people, built by the congregation they came to "help". They didn't help us, they basically kicked us out. They wanted the congregation to SIGN A CONTRACT to show our support for "the gospel", and be "accountable to one another". I left that place with a horrible taste in my mouth for Calvinism. Never looked back, and the Lord is leading me daily. I pray God kill that heresy.
We have a Calvinist pastor that has gradually been taking over our church. He’s been there 5 years this December. I have confronted him a few times now and he always gives me the run around but I have continued to learn and the last few times I questioned him he says I can’t ask him any more questions about Calvinism and our deacons are letting him get away with that! I last questioned him on a very Calvinistic sermon he gave and nope, he didn’t have to answer me. It’s crazy how they will lie and they are taking over church after church
Yes, truly they look down their nose at us non-calvinist. I lost a friend of 30 years over Calvinism, because I didn't agree with him on 1Tim2:4 amongst other text. He wants to add the word kinds to the text to make Paul say "all kinds of men." But text says plainly ALL MEN TO BE SAVED. He told me I was ignorant and I never heard from him again.
@@RU-vidhatesconservativespeech Whoever ever conjured up "all kinds of men" is a snake oil liar. The Greek (anthropos) is people and its pretty straight forward. Unless you're a Joseph Smith or Jehovah Witness then you just rewrite the Bible so it agrees with your ideas.
When parents brought their children to Jesus, the disciples told Jesus to send those snot nosed children away. Jesus looked into the crowd, saw the 3 elect children and told them to send the 297 other children away. Right!?!
Brian please allow me, brother to respond to only a few things you said: that the W. Confession on effectual call teaches that there is a gnostic download of info. from God that enables people to believe. I think what the authors of it were meaning was the only information people were given was that which is in the written and preached Word of God The Bible. Also on everything being the will of God since He is sovereign let me say that we can not as finite beings fully grasp the whole thing, so the confession tries by saying in effect that there is the secret will of God and the revealed will of God. The first is played out in Providence but the second is given to us in His Word the Bible. Each person elect or not is responsible to obey the commands of Hus Word such as Repent and believe. Etc. I hope thus helps your understanding of "Calvinism". I am a Christian (like you) first and then a calvinistic Baptist.
I understand Calvinism perfectly well. However, many Calvinists don't fully embrace all of Calvinism or are in the process of being indoctrinated more fully into it, and they have a slightly different understanding of it from other Calvinists. There are 3 point, 4 point and 5 point Calvinists that all disagree on some key doctrines of Calvinism. There are Presbyterian Calvinists and then Reformed Baptists Calvinists and they don't always see eye to eye on a number of doctrines. So that leads some of them to hear the truth of what is taught in Calvinism in my videos and they disagree with it and respond saying I don't understand Calvinism. It is often they who don't understand Calvinism fully, and if only they did fully understand Calvinism, they'd leave it faster than John MacArthur can say Irresistible grace.
@@faithonfireministries Thanks Brian for taking of your time to reply to me. I think debates can be helpful. I think that I and we should not be contentious either.
hey! i’m a presbyterian and i think i can help clear up somethings you perhaps misunderstand about our confession of faith :) firstly i think the charge of gnosticism is kind of unfair. we wouldn’t describe regeneration as a “download of information”. the “enlightenment of the mind” described in ch. 10 is not akin to that sort of infusion of knowledge that you seem to be alluding to. it’s accomplished through the means of the preaching of the gospel. the effectual call is more accurately described as when the outward preaching of the gospel is accompanied by the inward illumination of the Spirit and God causes His teachings to take root in their hearts. this also addresses your concerns about the need for evangelism in calvinist theology. “if calvinism, why preach the gospel?” well because God uses that as a means to accomplish the salvation of His elect and He does so perfectly. so this idea that most calvinist don’t see the need for evangelism is not true. it would be inconsistent with our theology to believe such a thing like “God predestines everything so we shouldn’t evangelize”. that’s hyper-calvinism. it’s not reformed. it’s something that we, our confession, and even calvin himself if you read his institutes, reject. it’s also important to note that the presentation of what gnosticism is was, respectfully, kind of shallow. the gnostics believed that the God of the OT was evil and that Jesus never actually came in the flesh but was rather a phantom. so to tie that to the reformed tradition is really just unhelpful to the dialogue imo. also i think you misunderstand section 4 of chapter 10. this section does not mean that only calvinists are saved. i honestly don’t even know how you got that. i watched that part over and over again and i truly don’t think your point logically follows. elect doesn’t mean “calvinists” it means anyone who accepts the gospel (of course God chooses who will accept. but the point is it has nothing to do with accepting calvinism specifically) and we do not believe someone can truly believe the gospel and then fall away… just read chapter 17 on the perseverance of the saints (i mean it is the P in “TULIP” after all 😆). what chapter 10 section 4 is talking about is people who profess to believe but truly do not in their hearts. that’s why it says “yet never truly come unto Christ”. we don’t believe anyone can have true faith unless they are elect. please read chapter 9 section 3 and 4. we will concede, perhaps to your delight, that we do find it just for God to send infants to hell. this is, admittedly, a hard thing to grasp at first. how could a loving God send an infant to hell? well first i think it’s important to establish that nobody deserves to be saved. if anyone makes it to heaven, it’s by grace. and God is not obligated to extend His grace to anyone. paul says in romans 3 v20 that nobody will be justified by the law. everyone stands condemned before God without His grace. i think we can agree there. so what we don’t want to say is that babies are innocent and guiltless of sin. david says in psalm 51 that in sin did his mother conceive him. so if a baby is saved, it’s only by grace. not because the baby was guiltless. and God is not obligated to extend His grace to anyone. He does so freely. it could be the case that God elected all individual infants but we don’t know and he doesn’t have to do so. as it is written: He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy. this doesn’t mean we hate babies. we love babies. that’s why we baptize em’. 🤗 also you said calvinsts say “the only reason people are going to heaven is because Jesus died on the cross”. i think you’re implying that we don’t believe the life and resurrection of Christ was necessary for our salvation… again, i mean this with all due respect, i also genuinely don’t know where you get this idea from either. read chapter 8 section 4 and 5 and it’s very clear. i think maybe what you meant is to attack the idea that everyone Christ died for will be saved i.e the elect (which we do happily affirm). because you talk about how some calvinists object to universal atonement but i’m not sure if that’s what you meant because you don’t seem to address that but rather point out that the active obedience of Christ is necessary for salvation. which we respond with assertive amens. also we have no issues with the word “whosoever”. it kind of puzzles me when people say that like it’s a point against us. we affirm whosoever believes will be saved. but nobody can believe unless drawn by the father (john 6:44). you also said something weird about the use of preachers in salvation: “is that stealing part of God’s salvation?”. no. we affirm God uses the means of preachers to proclaim His gospel to the world. there’s no issue there. then you misunderstood our understanding of the will of God. “deterministic people (i assume that’s us?) think that God’s will is always done” well when we say “God’s will is always done” we are referring to the decreetive will. which is just anything that happens in time. everything that God decreed/ordained will come to pass. you confused that with the prescriptive will of God. which are His commandments. which of course are not always followed. also i would just suggest giving us a little bit more intellectual respect than that😆 if i was you, i would just think “surely these calvinist who study scripture their whole lives, write volumes and volumes of theology don’t actually believe that the prescriptive will of God is always followed”. that’s pretty silly. overall i think the video misunderstands our beliefs. i would lovingly exhort you to more carefully examine our theology. i don’t think any knowledgeable presbyterian is going to be moved by this video at all. i presume they might just be frustrated. and it sets up your followers for failure in discussions with us. hopefully you’ve deduced that i’ve tried to be respectful and loving in my response. if you want to have dialogue personally and privately to talk about some of these things i’m open. although i’m not popular or anything so i understand. blessings anyways❤️
@@colonalklink14 “God draws all men unto Him” we can a agree with that phrase. it’s biblical. but i assume you mean to say “God draws all individuals without exception unto Him” which we do not agree and is not what the bible means when it makes statements to that effect. when scripture talks about God drawing “everyone” or “all men” and wanting them to be saved, it’s speaking categorically. all categories and conditions of men (jew, gentile, slave, free, male, female etc.) rather than all individual men. we’d assert that’s clearly what it means in the context it was written. we see in john 6 that the unbelieving jews did not believe because they weren’t drawn by the Father. and those who are drawn are raised up on the last day. all those whom the Father draws to the Son, the Son saves perfectly and loses none of them. i’d encourage you to read john 6 and perhaps 10. or just the whole gospel if you can find the time. romans is also helpful. “God gives a measure of faith to every man and it’s up to us to decide where to place our faith” i would dispute that with all my might. salvation depends not on human will or exertion but on God who has mercy. (romans 9:16) i deny that i’m saved because i was more responsible with my “measure of faith” and chose to place it in the gospel. i am saved because God had mercy on me when i was dead in my sin (ephesians 2:4-5) and He gave me a new heart so that i would believe in the gospel and be saved.
Hi, had a question re how you overlay your Scripture and other videos on your main screen: are you using something like OBS to do that? I'd love to know for my guitar channel that I'm working on right now. And btw, you're right Calvinism does have a heavy whiff of gnosticism to it!
I use OBS since it is free. This is a no frills channel. However, when I record a video with OBS there may still be some overlays I want to add and then I edit the video in Vegas Pro 14. There is much newer versions of that editing program but I bought that version many years ago and it still works just fine.
20:22 -- Correct. Faith does not save in Calvinism. This is why they label the faith of Christians who reject Calvinism, as a "Work", a "work" that does not save. Calvinists, such as John Piper put themselves in place of God and use scare tactics asking rhetorical questions such as "WHY did you believe when others didn't?" to shift salvation from "faith" to "WHY do you have faith?" In other words, the 'CAUSATION of faith' is what is pleasing to God, NOT faith itself, and that 'CAUSATION of faith', is Calvinisms doctrine of "Irresistible Grace" for Gods "Elect".
This was fantastic, thank you! I love when you said that Calvinist’s are saved by being elected not by believing!! You nailed the whole problem with that teaching.
No , the elect are called and justified by faith.... Rom 8:29-30 - For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
@@trevorwood5433 Romans 8:29, 30 is saying nothing about being predestined to be saved, but what occurs in a regenerated soul: he is being "conformed into the likeness of Christ. Easy read, except if blinded by Calvinist eyes.
@@AbBowhunter those who believed in Jesus Christ. Romans 10:9,10: 9 "... If you confess with your mouth Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one confesses and is made righteous, and with the mouth, one confesses unto salvation."
So many say something different. It's confusing. Justin Peters, John MacArthur, and Jordan Riley is 100% defending John MacArthur as the best pastor to ever listen to. 😢 I used to enjoy listening to him debunk false prophets and Pastors, cults and Religions. But now I see he is defending Calvinism. 😢 My husband and I do approx. 2 hrs of Bible study every morning, and we are truly hungry to learn. Ive ask÷d the Holy Spirit for knowledge and discernment but there are so so many false pastors and prophets.
It's awesome how much knowledge is gained through daily Bible studies, but that knowledge is truly eye-opening to how much distortion of truth exists among people
Wow!.. you're just going through this video opining giving your opinion you need to read the scripture you need to talk about the scripture the Word of God you should be going through all the verses that talk about the elect but you don't. It's clear you're just giving your opinion I don't see you opening up the Word of God that's all you need instead you just keep giving your opinion. I'll pray to God that he opens up your eyes. I don't see the Bible in front of you did you forget to bring it to this video?
I specifically said that we will be looking in the Bible at the opening of this video. There was an order to this video and getting into the Bible to talk about biblical salvation versus the doctrine of election was later in the video. Apparently you didn’t have the patience to sit through the whole thing so your critique is disingenuous and incorrect.
@@faithonfireministries you're spewing out opinions this whole video and you're not even opening up your Bible to support what you're saying... the bottom line is you should have your Bible in front of you and you should be supporting your opinions and everything you're saying with Bible verses and you're not doing that. .. and it's obvious why. perhaps you should study to show yourself approved rightly dividing the word....
@@faithonfireministries so I went to the beginning of this video and I'm trying to find where you have your Bible in front of you and your quoting scripture to support your opinion and it's not there so now you are lying!
One more thing if you Brian are a born again believer (no reason to think that you are' not) and Justin Peters is one and I am one then why should we be divided against each other?. At times debates may be necessary, yes. Hold tightly to the Lord Jesus Christ. All of us need to go into all the world and preach the Gospel and make disciples. Let us do that and not spend time being against each other!
Just wanted to say how very much I love your videos. In this particular video, you have Leighton Flowers. I love how he confronts the Calvinism that he came out of, but he still calls the big name Pastors brothers in Christ. I do think that Christ is certainly capable of saving someone in a Calvinist Church, but they will be responsible for not having studied the Scriptures for the truth. All the Pastors, of any denomination, will be judged more strictly, because they are the teachers, leaders and claimed to know the Scriptures. I know why Leighton does what he does, because he was once one of them. However, Calvinism was developed by a murderer, who portrays our God as a monster. I sincerely believe that his belief system was Satanic in it's conception.
This is an outstanding video. The Calvinists preach a different Jesus and a very different gospel…a gnostic, fatalistic “gospel.” We must fight it to the death in order to protect the sheep from the wolves. Galatians 1:6-9 sentences it’s proponents to hell. We can’t lay off this because we have friends who are Calvinist. We must fight these lies with more vigor so that these people we love don’t end up in hell.
@@shadowmist1246 Calvinism is a different gospel under any definition. Galatians is clearly about legalism, but Paul doesn’t limit his warning in verses 6-9 to legalists. He warns all wolves who preach a false gospel. There is no more brilliant slander of God and nullification of his glorious gospel then Calvinism. PS - I don’t think people accursed by God because they preach a false gospel (one that doesn’t save) will make it to heaven lol. Call me crazy….. The road is narrow and few find it, so I doubt false teachers do.
@@dannymcmullan9375 lol. Your in a man worshiping cult so nothing anyone says says, even the Bible, will change you from your gnostic, fatalistic, satanic Jesus and gospel.
That is your opinion. However, I believe, as do most Christians, that believing the doctrine of predestination and election is not just stupid, but heresy and blasphemy against our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and those doctrines directly changes the True Gospel of Jesus Christ into a diminished version that is not good news to everyone but is a fake and worthless gospel that only delusional religious elites think will save them (and them alone) due to their pride-filled egotistical high-minded view of themselves.
I’m new to this channel and am so appreciative of what is being said. However, I need some clarification. It was said that we must obey the Word of God to be saved…if I heard that right. I think that while we are in this fleshly body, we can’t obey perfectly. So, is we commit a sin post conversion, we won’t make it to heaven? That as well will produce continual doubt on one’s salvation. If I misinterpreted what was said, please correct me.
No, I did not say what you are implying. You are confused having ignored what I taught throughout the video and just glomming onto one phrase in one sentence I made and taking it out of context rather than how I presented it which perfectly coincides with Scripture about God's blessings or curses based upon obedience or disobedience.
@@faithonfireministries I will watch it again to make sure I understand the complete picture. I did not take that was said intentionally out of context, which is why I didn’t give a declarative statement, instead humbly asking for clarification. You are, however, coming across as a proud individual…someone who knows the Word of God so intimately that he is without possible error. I love you as a brother in Christ and would hope that the response to my question would have been handled with a little more understanding and specifics.
I really appreciate your ministry. I agree with everything I have heard you teach on and I am so grateful for what you share and discuss! I just waited into this discussion of Calvinism. I have heard that he was such a man as you describe. I have ministered the gospel to so many Christians only to find that they believe error, they have listened to false teachings and I fear for their salvation. So I judge God faithful and I judge nothing else before the time that he comes. Regarding the disciples anger and Jesus saying they did not know what spirit they were of.
Sorry, I had not finished and edited but my comment was posted. My question is, these were Jesus disciples who swerved over into the Wrong Spirit. Do you believe a lot of Christians do this or do you believe that because Jesus came to take away sin, those who are truly his operate only in his spirit?
I believe born again Christians, in accordance with Scripture such as Paul wrote often, do in fact get tempted by the flesh and by wrong spirits in the world that influence us all, and sometimes we give in and sin even though we have the Holy Spirit. We feel guilty about our sins and definitely don't want to drag others into our sins. So, we repent and try to walk in accordance with the spirit, not walk according to the flesh. On the contrary, unbelievers generally do not feel guilty at all about their sins, even often being proud of their sin, and often trying to convince others that their sins are normal and acceptable. I'm sure the disciples felt a bit guilty when they were rebuked by Jesus who told them their thought was from a different spirit. He was not saying they are demon possessed, just that thought they had was worldly and lines up more with the fleshly spirit rather than the Holy Spirit. That is part of being discipled. It is close to the word discipline. Jesus corrects us, the Holy Spirit corrects us, and over time we become better disciples of Christ. Feeling guilty because we sinned is a prompting of the Holy Spirit in us to help sanctify us, and it is not the same as feeling condemned. Holy Spirit convicts. Satan condemns. Satan is the accuser of the brethren. He wants Christians to feel unworthy, having failed God when giving in to temptations, and ultimately questioning their own salvation and paralyzing them from openly sharing the Gospel with unbelievers because they don't feel worthy to do so. That is a deception. In fact, the Bible says that if anyone claims to be without sin, they make God a liar and the Word of God is not in them. The Holy Spirit is the one who helps sanctify us so we sin less but we will never be made perfect in this flesh, only when we are dead and in our glorified bodies in heaven.
@@faithonfireministries Thank you for your answer! I am praying about this and have been for a long time but I believe the ones who say they have not sinned are the ones who have not been born again. The Bible says Jesus came to take away our sin. If he didn’t do it, why? He took it away and those who abide in him receive his life flow continually. To look away from him brings a curse. Jeremiah 17:5,6. If we walk in the light as he is in the light we have fellowship with him and his blood cleanses us from all unrighteousness. If I am continually seeking God, I am never independent of him. We are called to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ who could in himself do nothing but because he always pleased the father, the father never left him. I have fellowship in Christ by abiding in him and there is no sin. I think the preponderance of scripture agrees with me. I’m so grateful for what you are doing and do not want to challenge you but only to come to the full knowledge of the truth. So please, refute my mistakes if you will from scripture and Keep up the good work. You are pretty much the only minister I listen to. I appreciate your preaching against Calvinism.
Not all Presbyterians accept the Westminister Confession of faith. In 1883, Cumberland Presbyterians dissented from the Westminister Confession of Faith. To this day the Cumberland Presbyterian Church rejects Westminister Confession of faith. The Cumberland Presbyterian Church REJECTS, all calvinist teachings. Cumberland, rejects the doctrine of election and reprobation as taught in the Westminister Confession of Faith. The lesson for all Christians is to know what 1. Your Christian denomination believes and teaches AND 2. what the church pastor believes and teaches.
This just muddy's up the language and terms. Another say I'm Catholic and reject Catholic doctrine and is in favor of abortion. They should simple not say they are Catholic. If you call yourself Presbyterian and reject Presbyterian belief's please don't call yourself Presbyterian. Either adapt a more accurate exist name or come up with a new name for new beliefs that you find do not align with any other christians throughout time. Like Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses. Atleast they got names to identify them properly, which is a good thing for them and those not in their movement.
@@neoturfmasterMVS Not sure who you are addressing here. But, if a christian denomination identifies as Cumberland Presbyterian that name is an identity that is legitimate for that group of Presbyterians. It is specific in their confession of faith.
And Calvinist who don't the definition of sovereignty will always take away God's sovereignty as they put God in a box and tell the world they have defined what a Sovereign God can and cannot do. And Calvinist are synergists by their own definition and use of that word to label others, ironically.
God created man in His image. Our freewill is a part of being in the image of God. If you think God is unable to create humans with their own sovereign wills, then your theology imposes limits on God.
@@Mrsunny649 If God created humans with sovereign wills then God just put limits on himself. The humans are sovereign and God is the puppet. Freewill is just the stupidest thing I ever heard of.
How in the world is the biblical belief of election & predestination have to do with gnosticism? Are you suggesting that there shouldn't be any kind of accurate knowledge of Christ to obtain saving faith? Allow me to ask you, do you believe you somehow conjured up saving faith from your spiritually dead state of trespasses & sins, or is saving faith a GIFT from Christ?
Hello. I reject the premise of the either/or question. I do not believe that saving faith (a two word phrase not found in Scripture) is a gift of God to some while withheld from others. I believe the gift of God in Eph 2:8 matches the gift in Rom 6:23. I reject the idea that the only alternative is to "somehow conjure up" so-called saving faith. I believe that a spiritually dead person, that is, one that is separated from God, can listen to the life giving truth of the Gospel in God's Word and be responsible, that is, response-able. "The Law of the Lord is perfect, CONVERTING the soul." "...the Holy Scriptures, which are ABLE to MAKE THEE WISE unto salvation..." "These things are written that ye may believe...and that believing ye may have life...." Speculations that one must be conjuring up faith ignore the role of the Word - which is quick, powerful, sharper than any two-edged sword, but apparently unable to get through without a gnostic spark of pre-faith regeneration not found in Scripture.
@@williammarinelli2363 God uses His Word, but do you repent by yourself or does God GRANT repentance? (Acts: 11:18). Scripture says that Jesus is the AUTHOR and Finisher of our faith (Heb 12:2), and that faith is a work of GOD (John 6:29) - do you believe these passages are true or false?
@@williammarinelli2363 "I believe that a spiritually dead person, that is, one that is separated from God, can listen to the life giving truth of the Gospel in God's Word and be responsible, that is, response-able". Scripture says that unsaved man does not NOR CAN do the will of God (Romans 8:7), do you believe this scriptural passage is true or false?
SoulousX... you don't want to go down the path of that game you are about to begin called let's pull out one single Bible verse that appears to support Total Depravity or the Doctrine of Election, because two can play that game. If a non-Calvinist were to respond with a different Bible verse that proves those two Calvinist doctrines are completely false, and both of you were to go back and forth like this, you are going to run out of Calvinist supporting Bible verses a very long time before a non-Calvinist runs of verses to quote. And the non-Calvinist can then very easily go back one by one through each each of your Bible verses and easily prove how you twisted them completely out of proper context, but you won't be able to do the same with any of the non-Calvinist verses.
@@soulosxpiotov7280 An example of repentance granted, but not received, is when God reasoned with Cain in Genesis 4 after Cain's countenance fell in verse 5. Cain's response was to dig in. Cain's refusal to repent was not the response of a puppet. The work of God in John 6:29 was the then-future payment of the sin debt (it is finished) so that all that is required to receive the offered gift of eternal life is for the sinner under Holy Spirit convection to exercise his faith (Rom 4:5).
What are your thoughts on the other confessions of the reformation: the Augusberg Confession, the Scots Confession, the Belgic Confession, the Savoy Declaration, the first and second London Baptist Confessions, and the 39 Articles of Faith?
My thoughts are this... Thank God for His Word, the Bible, which is truth and all we need. I am so relieved I am saved by God's grace through faith in Jesus Christ and that anyone else can be as well even if they had never read any one of those confessionals you named.
I am confused by the Ordo Salutis of Calvinism: Regeneration precedes faith (it is not another way of describing the same thing as one would not precede the other). So..... What constitutes regeneration? What constitutes faith? The Westminster Confession doesn't really make that clear. If God had pre-destined an elect to come into existence - those whom he would save - and then granted them faith to believe at the effectual call later in their life where the new creature became aware of their belief and love for God in a more personalise direct way (to merely an idea of God existing that didn't repel them), what happened to them before faith that made them regenerated (revived)? It makes no sense at all to say that the regenerated elect before coming to faith were 'dead in their sins' - as it was for the marked for condemnation 'totally depraved' non elect. Surely, the OS (Regen before faith) implies that the elect were set apart from the rest of mankind destined to condemnation and were able to respond to God or the idea of a God existing rather than being repelled by the idea and rebellling against the idea as marked by Total Depravity (hence their regeneration not metred out to the non-elect). If that were the case, not everyone was Totally Depraved - at least not the elect - even if they had not yet been granted faith. In says in the WC that God was 'well pleased' with those he pre-destined to grant the effectual call to. Why? If the elect were, before the effectual call, dead in their sins before they were granted faith (brought to life) - like Lazarus - then surely God would be no more pleased with them before they had accepted God's granting of faith than he was with those he intended not to save, considering that they had nothing special or different about them - they were all dead in their sin sinners. If God was only pleased with his totally depraved chosen elect simply because he'd had a hand in selecting them, rather than them disowning God through free will rebellion in sin any particular attributes consistent with the idea of a regeneration before they came to faith - as granted by God - then that implies strongly that God had no hand in the decisions and behaviours and beliefs of those whom he had not chosen to save. Therefore, their fallen nature - in sin - was an autonomous act not of God rather than it being part of God's masterplan for his own glorification (as Calvinists believe is the case). This makes a nonsense of the idea that God had pre-destined everything, including the destiny of those who he intended not to save. Free Grace theology makes far more sense than Calvinism. To simply dismiss it as 'the sinner's prayer' is a direct and insulting rejection of Jesus and his deity.
@faithonfireministries Yes I totally agree. I admit that my comment, though it was correct, was a gross understatement! 😝 Love ya! Please keep the good work up!
I've had a guy who has Calvinist friends try to bully me over my disdain for the cult. I just think it's bizarre when he's not one. We can't play kissy face with cults. I have one friend that doesn't seem to be fully indoctrinated, yet.
I hate to say it, but until many more Christians stand up against Calvinism publicly to warn others, it's only going to get worse before it gets better. Calvinism is on an upswing of popularity and the good news is that no matter what it will fail. How quickly it peaks and then fails is up to each of us who stand on the Word of God.
Hey, at least they're not roasting you slowly over green wood like in Geneva with Jean Cauvin watching on. Plus Cauvin's personal torturer is long dead so no worries there.
I have a friend who says she is a calvinist and got me to start listening to John MacArthur and you just said about him teaching the word comes across as truth. But I have say it has messed me up and listening to R.C. Sproul and there Q&A I have gone to bed at in horrific fear that I am going to hell. They say just saying a prayer doesn't mean you are saved and that alot of people are going to hell. And what do think about Justin Peters and what he says about prosperty preachers name it claim it. I will be perfectly honest I dont who to believe anymore as far as preachers go.
I see this as what has happened to Calvinists. They have been “bewitched“ just like Paul tells the Galatians they have been: “I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel, which is not just another account; but there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ.” Galatians 1:6-7 NASB2020 It isn’t another gospel because there is no other gospel. It’s a distortion of the true and only gospel.
Jeff and Rachel, it is comments like yours that encourage me to keep up the good fight of standing on solid Biblical principles and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ while highlighting the dangers of cult-like, delusional religious elitism that you stand for which diminishes and sullies the name above all names, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
That is a ridiculous statement about the blood of Christ but I'll go along with you for the purpose of a follow up question. Assuming you are saved, how much of His blood was shed for just you? I'm really interested in your answer. How much of it do you think is attributed to only yourself?
@@jeffrachelburkhalter3783 no, it was good what you said about not one drop of His blood was shed in vain. Very true. Btw, I believe Jesus shed all of His blood for you. He shed all of His blood for me. He shed all of His blood for each and every person who is or will be saved (including 5 point Arminians.) Every drop of His blood was shed for God’s elect. Thank you.
@@bryanpratt5850 Christ's work on the cross provides atonemen for all and is applied upon conversion. It's shallow and juvenile to measure it or consider it a vain work in any case for all of what Christ did on the cross was necessary for one sinner to receive atonement and yet is able to provide atonement for every single person had they all came to Christ for salvation in repentance.
@@bwc6520 I am shallow and very juvenile compared to the only true and living God. You insult me but I take it as a compliment to my God because my God is inexhaustibly deep and no being in all of existence is complete without God. God is complete in and of Himself. He never had to mature he has always been mature in every way. Thank you! Nothing escapes His notice. He knows everything past present and future. He knows exactly who the elect are and who the reprobate are to the very person.
According the the Westminster confession of faith: some people are without any hope of redemption according to predestination and it also removes freewill to choose. That’s just wrong. That would negate the need for faith and the bible says that without faith it’s impossible to please God.
@@larrybedouin2921 Romans 12: Therefore, I urge you,(A) brothers and sisters, in view of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice,(B) holy and pleasing to God-this is your true and proper worship. 2 Do not conform(C) to the pattern of this world,(D) but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.(E) Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is(F)-his good, pleasing(G) and perfect will. 3 For by the grace given me(H) I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you.
@@larrybedouin2921 jeez Larry what a nasty and uncharitable accusation...but yes the context clearly from verse 1 is referencing brothers and sisters and the gifts are distributed to the Body of Christ....that is indisputably the context...a measure of Faith given to each of you the believers in the body.
It's not nonsense, it absolutely and indisputably what the Scripture means...Paul goes on in Romans starting 12:4 to make it even more clear 4 For just as each of us has one body with many members, and these members do not all have the same function,(I) 5 so in Christ we, though many, form one body,(J) and each member belongs to all the others. 6 We have different gifts,(K) according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying,(L) then prophesy in accordance with your[a] (measure of) faith;(M) 7 if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach;(N) 8 if it is to encourage, then give encouragement;(O) if it is giving, then give generously;(P) if it is to lead,[b] do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.
8:00 I know a lot of Calvinists. None of them have this attitude you are ascribing to them, that they might as well not evangelize because God has already determined who will be saved. This is a common charge, but I've never seen it bear out in reality. 20:00 I have never heard that being a Calvinist is required for salvation. 36:00 Is faith a work? This is the same claim Mike Winger makes. It's a strawman. I think you might be looking for gnosticism where it does not exist. You might find actual gnosticism within the theology of the folks preaching that the Great Commission means that we are to Christianize all governments, institutions, and cultures, that preaching the gospel to the lost is not enough. This group goes by many names, including Christian Nationalism, Christian Reconstruction, Dominionism, and the like. It's thought leaders include R.J. Rushdoony, Greg Bahnsen, Gary North (all of whom are dead), Gary DeMar, Mark Rushdoony, Joe Boot, Jeff Durbin, James White, Joel Webbon, and Doug Wilson. These teachers should be avoided.
Calling calvinism gnosticism is nothing more then mindless slander and so I have no respect for the people who make this accusation. The accusation is made because the opponents of calvinism consistently lose the biblical debate. Gnosticism doesn't have a singular God who can decree all things, creation was at best an accident, good and evil are equal forces.
Sorry, but you offered nothing here in the defense of Calvinism. Funny, you mentioned slander though. Most Christians would find that it is Calvinist who slander our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ by diminishing His role and love for all of His creation, and redefining Him to suit your false man-made religious belief system in total defiance of clear Scripture. Why not address something in this video? How about this I covered from the Westminster Confession of Faith, Chapter X, paragraph III, do you believe when infants die, some of them are God's elect and will go to heaven while the rest of the infants that die go to hell? Let's start there... do you uphold Calvinism or not on this Calvinist doctrinal statement?
@@faithonfireministries This is how you choose to respond to me, a transparent attempt to highroad me? Im not a Presbyterian, I have a different view of baptism then they do. You realize not every calvinist holds to the Westminster confession right? I don't recall baptism saving infants being apart of gnosticism but I guess I missed the 6th point of Calvinism that states God hates babies. I believe the judge of all earth will judge rightly. David certainly believed he would be with his son when he died but the bible doesnt really address the issue does it? It doesnt give us an "age of accountability" does it? When scripture makes an end of speaking, so do I. Let me reiterate my defense for you. Gnosticism does not have a singular God who can decree all things. Gnosticism says good and evil are equal are forces. Gnostics believe god did not actually intend to create but it was some form of accident. So where is the parallel between calvinism and gnosticism? Thats my rebuttal to your absurd accusation thay calvinism is gnosticism, I don't know how you read my comment and missed it. You call us heretics but give ol' Leighton a pass who is an actual pelagian. He doesn't believe Gods grace is necessary for man to believe, as shown in his interview with Roger Olsen.
CCL,.....Yes, the true gospel of "Calvinism" is what is most attacked by the apostate church and all the fake christians that fill and make up the church. If Calvinism was false, it would never be attacked.
How much did Jean Cauvin stress the love of God as an attribute of God? Not trying to stump you, just get a point out to other readers that Cauvin did not know the love of God, because he did not have it in him nor had he experienced it. If he had he would not have spent 22 years in Geneva committing the heinous acts he did and approved others of doing.
@@koriclaypool9548 Certainly is in the form of twisted Scripture, out of context Scripture, mistranslated Scripture, misinterpreted Scripture and using the above to force unconnected Scriptures together. Its like a puzzle piece that looks like it fits and almost fits but doesn't fit. But instead of putting it aside to find the right piece, you take a sledgehammer and pound it into place. Then you keep doing that with all pieces that don't fit. That is exactly what I see Jean Cauvin doing in his commentaries. Even to making up stuff and making it sound like Scripture. Is it any wonder his humanist philosophy produced such a dysfunctional "belief system".
@@koriclaypool9548 You've already shown you have done no research into the evilness of Jean Cauvin's actions in Geneva. At least he was consistently evil for 22 years. I've never found a document from his inner circle if he repented before his last breath. Even if he did repent, his friends would have keep it a secret. Because if they admitted Jean repented for his deeds, then they(the accomplices) would be on the hook (literally) for the many many hundreds of murders, tortures, hand and head choppings, whippings and stealing of property by false accusations. As Jesus said....you will know them by their fruit. Can a rotten tree produce good fruit? Calvinism was spread by fear and the sword and thru government decree, same as Roman Catholicism. Probably explains why his actions paralleled the Vatican's methods so closely.
No matter how much people want to think it’s not possible stealth Calvinism is true, I KNOW it sounds so terrible, know that it is 100% real and true. It’s a super sad reality.
Peace and grace to all. Having said that, let me get right to the point. This title carictures calvanism...to equate it with gnosticism is in bad taste. The issue over justification, sanctification, the deparavity of men and the sovereignty of God ARE NOT issues that began in the 16th century with Calvin, nor with the westminster confessions. One could easily caricature the non-calvinists withva catchy title called "the neo-palagean doctrine of the contemporary remonstrance church" . However, such polemical misrepresentations of doctrinal opposition are arbitrary and capricious. These docrinal differences concerning the aforementioned, contentios points of doctrine are not primary, first order doctrines. Though very important, they are not foundational to salvation. I have no doubt that neither calvinists nor remonstrance adherents have every point of doctrine worked out without error. The fall and SIN have severely affected our ability to do theology. The Holy Spitit no doubt lives in all believers, but our sanctification is ongoing, we are not yet glorified....we continue to wrestle with principalities, spirits, and our own depravity, including our attempts to work out every point of doctrine. We should endeavor to do this but with humbleness, knowing that our flesh is still weak! Having said that, one of the most prominent examples of agreeing to disagree docrtinally is the long relationship between thenwesleysnand George Whitefield. The doctrinal differences were great, but they didn't hurl anathemas at one another! Anecdotally, some of the most spirit filled, Christ loving people I have ever been in the presence of were Reformed Baptists! Let us lay aside second order doctrine and have the debates, with meekness and humbleness, befitting THE NAME OF CHRIST, but without the HURLING OF ANATHEMAS!
The video "The Giving Judas the Betrayer" was produced to reach out to Calvinists and challenge their view about the elect. It is free on RU-vid. It pinpoints Judas as an unanswerable dilemma for Calvinists. Dr. James White was given this video and he said he would critique it, but he has been unable/unwilling to respond. It may be helpful for you. I am not sure if I am allowed to provide the RU-vid link.
Paul says multiple times ....works of THE LAW. Pauls theology is focused on faith in Christ Vs. Trust in the works of THE LAW OF MOSES. Paul NEVER is condemning works (actions) as a category. That’s why Paul is not in conflict with James and Jesus Himself.
Justification by faith alone and not of works is well established all the way back in Genesis with Abraham. Jesus never taught salvation by faith and works. James did not either. James is writing to Christians who are already saved. Those who are saved need to exercise faith and works, not for salvation, but in order to do ministry and fulfill the Great Commission, being a productive members of the Body of Christ. Anybody who says works are needed for salvation is not saved themselves because they never stopped trusting in their own self-righteousness and never stopped trying to earn salvation on their own, rather than humbling oneself and trusting in Christ alone for salvation.
Also I was told by a ministry here in UK that sold c ds dvds I believe called sound doctrine the man on the phone told me that babies go to hell... I was do shocked very upset and told him I had two miscarriages he didn't really know how to respond to me once he told me such a terrible thing.. Obviously I know better now but back then it shattered my faith.. God bless you for what you do.. 🙏
Nina I'm sorry for your loss. The "babies go to hell" guy is pretty typical of real Calvinist believers. But when you do in-depth research in Jean Cauvin in Geneva what is revealed is one horrible, revolting, nasty human being. He formed a "religion" that perfectly mirrored his own dark, twisted soul. Cauvin's spirit still lives in the believers of his darkness. There are a number of testimonies from born again believers who went to Heaven during an NDE. They saw the area(s) where the children are cared for, that includes aborted babies. Bryan Melvin, Dean Braxton, Earthquake Kelly are just a couple off the top of my memory. Jesus loves the children and they love Him. Such a direct contrast to Jean Cauvin's black loveless view of God/Jesus.
The pure application of the Calvinist “gospel” is extremely dangerous because the idea that God selected them to be saved because they have no capacity to seek salvation, could lead them to assume that God also activated their faith --so now they don’t have to exercise faith because, well it’s been done for them. This translates into remaining dead in their sins. Very frightening to consider
Would you mind expounding more on the ebbs and flows of Calvinism's influence on the church? I am unfamiliar with any historical occurrences of it's surging then dying, etc. And, in my experience, those that hold strongly to it do actually attend church, are very active in church and do evangelize. I really, really want to believe it will die off because it is devastating the church. However, with their phenomenally successful social media campaign strategy, I'm wondering if this time will be different in that we can't combat against the stronghold they've gained. Thank you
Here's a great example, mostly about the dying's of Calvinism, look at northwestern Europe and new England. Amongst Christendom, who are the most atheist today? That's right, those who were historically Calvinist. The ebbs and flows of Calvinism, say in America, are within the actual believers which stay firm in faith. You see Calvinist start at the beginning of the US, with the early anglicans and congregationalists, then the first great awakening had a giant schism amongst the "old lights and new lights". The old lights believed that, since the elector already going to be safe, there was no need for big tent revivals, while the new lights thought that(even though they were calvinists) that revivals could be God's will. Out of this obvious contradiction came methodists, who spread the gospel well. Then Calvinism spread south to justify slavery(although still a relatively small group, mostly amongst slave owners). After the civil war, Calvinism began dying in the South. Then it had another resurgence in response to desegregation. This resurgence was labeled as the "fundamentalists", and the fundamentalists lost to the billy graham evangelicals. This most recent resurgence is in response to the "seeker sensitive movement", which brought us the namby pamby megapastor preachers like Joel Osteen. Everytime Calvinism has a resurgence, it is in response to an overly liberal theology, and conservatives are fooled into following it because it's 1. New and interesting, and 2. It seems more conservative, and thus correct, right? But no, conservatives are generally pretty smart too, so usually these resurgences die either because smart people leave Calvinism, OR Calvinism becomes so deadly to faith, their children leave Christ entirely (which is where the current batch of liberal millennials and gen z come from, in response to the satanic panic).
Sounds like you have no other material. Be very careful about judging. Whether you believe in Calvinism or not.
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Hello brother, do you know of any non-calvinist church in Miami area? I’ll appreciate your help, I’m looking around and apparently no one knows and the one I have visited are or are too far from teaching the Bible as needed. Thanks so much
P:S John Calvin had/has blood on his hands. Yes murder! It's similar to Charles Manson, he may not have committed the act but he/they were directly responsible!
Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
29:32 (posted b4, but worth repeating) Most non-Calvinists who have become Calvinists were 'convinced' Calvinism is true by someone more clever at using their 'proof texts' than the non-Calvinist was at disputing them. Few Christians have ever heard the sermon on "what's wrong with Calvinism". This is usually because their preacher didn't know how to explain it, was afraid of touching a 'third rail', or didn't think it was even necessary.... (BIG MISTAKE). Consequently, most non-Calvinist Christians are vulnerable and woefully unprepared to articulately provide a defense to the accusation against God that he does NOT love all his creation and/or that he has NOT "Graciously" made provision for ALL of mankind to be reconciled to himself by faith in Christ. Instead, they are easily out-argued by a Calvinist who can argue their 'plucked-proof-texts' by virtue of having already been convinced by some other Calvinist that God has actually created and condemned the vast majority of mankind, (made in his own image), to burn in Hell for doing precisely what he has decreed they would do, while he withholds the ability to do otherwise... for his own glory. Calvinists have been defending the indefensible for hundreds of years. They have it down to a 'cha-cha dance'. They all seem to learn Calvinism the same way, RINSE & REPEAT. Most of their arguments employ misdirection, redefined words, and terms and the invention of dual, non-falsifiable meanings. Is it more correct to say that egg yolks "are" white or is it OK to say egg yolks "is" white? Calvinist arguments can go something like this, it's sort of like a fighter setting up a right hook with a left jab and a head fake. Example; Calvinist: "You believe God is sovereign, right?"(their definition of sovereignty excluded).. Victim: "Right!" Calvinist: "Man is totally depraved, right?"(their definition of depravity excluded)... Victim: Right! Calvinist: "You can't save yoursellf, right?"(begging the question of how salvation occurs)... Victim: Right! Calvinist: "Why did you get saved and your friend didn't?"... Victim: "I believed the Gospel and accepted the gift of salvation, and he didn't." Calvinist: "Oh, so you saved yourself, aren't you special. So, you must think you're better than him. ....I thought we already covered that".. etc. etc. It goes on ad nauseam. The unsuspecting, unprepared victim really has no chance. And the next thing you know John "Bob" Calvin's your uncle....... But yolks are still yellow, not white.😊
How an Honest Calvinist Would Give His Gospel Presentation “Friend, God made man to uncontrollably hate Him and be desperately evil. God has rejected all of mankind, including unborn babies, except for a select, very special few humans, maybe about 2%. But don’t feel bad about that, as He has predetermined that this will give Him great glory. The other 98%? Well, God will give them what He designed them for. He will roast them alive for all eternity! But don’t feel bad about that either, as this will surely give Him great glory. In fact, if you are one of the special predestined ones, well, Jesus got the equivalent of being eternally roasted for you by taking your infinite penalty upon Himself on the cross so you can be saved from all that eternal torture. Perhaps you feel that you are one of God’s special chosen ones, the 2%. Good. If you are, He will drag you, yank your chain, pull your string, or somehow manage to change your totally depraved will to love Him in spite of your totally depraved design. And, He will continue to pull and drag you for all eternity, as He makes you praise Him forever.
@@shadowmist1246 I understand the point but it does lend more evidence to why they are "following a man-made doctrine" and not Scripture. My experience with talking and confronting Calvinists is they are so filled with a false light penetrating that indoctrination is very difficult because they now believe the false light is the Holy Spirit.
The existence of the Westminster confession with its 29 main points and hundreds of sub-points is a dead giveaway that this is heresy. They are copying the Catholics. Paul said that the Gospel was "Christ and Him crucified." That may be a bit too much shorthand but if you expand it to: Know that you are a sinner, but if accept Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah, God come in human form to die on a cross as the payment of your sins, and the Risen Savior, and repent your sins and follow Him, your sins will be forgiven. That did not take 39 points to cover. ANY addition to that Paul calls anathema in Galatians. The Westminster Confession is anathema times several hundred additions. Most satements of faith are less than that but still add to the gospel and are anathema.
I have a good one. What about when Jesus came to me and told me I would be getting back together with Valerie if I finished making amends to everyone I ever sinned against? Clearly he has predestined Valerie to be saved and us to get back together. How would you explain when people get prophesies like I did?
I'm not sure I am understanding why you are asking me this. I believe people who are saved, and therefore in relationship with Christ do occasionally get direct prophesies from God if they have faith for such, and that helps them make decisions. That is reliance on God. That is part of the importance of prayer... for God to give us answers and lead us, guide us, and that the Holy Spirit is our helper.
This gentleman has it right, spot on. If you want to hear more along the lines of Cavinism being junk, listen to Pastor Charles Lawson on Calvinism. It's also very informative.
Good call! Pastor Charles Lawson is my favorite pastor to watch online. I have been watching his sermons for about a decade. I actually featured one of his sermons against Calvinism on my channel. I've never met him personally nor even been to Tennessee, and I always take my family to our church in person, but I never miss Pastor Lawson's sermons. He has been a wonderful blessing, and I often pray for his health and for God to strengthen him. Thanks for the comment. God bless you!
@@faithonfireministriesPhilippians 1:29 tells us that faith is a gift of God. "For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for him,"
Calvinists believe god created all things, and controls all things, predetermined all things, and made all things exactly the way they are.... thus god also created evil. therefore since calvinists believe god created evil. they are blaspheming against the holy spirit ... the only unforgivable sin. calvinists also believe the only people who will be saved have been predetermined by god. and since calvinists believe god predetermined who will be saved ... they have removed free will - the gift of god to humans, and removed jesus from the equation. since god (according to calvinists) has already determined who will be saved ... (and who will not be saved) ... those who will be saved do not need christ and those who will not be saved cannot come to christ. thus calvinists are not christians. Can a person be saved trusting in something other than Christ Jesus? NO! They are trusting in the hope of election not Christ! Is it possible to be in a reformed church and be saved. Yes but that is in spite of the heresy. They must have put their faith in Christ separately from what is taught. Just like those in the Catholic Cult. There could be baby christians that have no clue what they are sitting under. If they wake up and listen to the Holy Spirit they would run out of the Hive screaming! Calvinism is NOT just another Christian denomination. It is a Cult. A doctrine of demons. Strangely how those in it, defend it to their deaths. That is how Satan, not God blinds them to the truth. But that is their God given right of free will, to do so. Truth in Love
