Agreed. Sonny Corleone was the angriest, harshest, and scariest of them all. He hates it when his youngest brother Michael lies to him and not telling him the truth. That's why Michael Corleone was cowardly and everybody hates his clumsiness. Sonny had a bad temper, Fredo was a traitor, and Michael was such a coward
For god loved the world. He gave his only begotten son to save the whole world. John 3:16. Don’t use the Lords name in the vain he saved all of us and whole world
Unlike some other don we know 😂 cough cough Micheals dumbass. Dude died alone cause he was such a cold don. But that lead to loneliness. I’m sorry Micheal was an awful don
@@Airfarts_ yeah totally! sonny and tom have the kind of repertoire that true brothers from another mother have. that's the reason sonny has the comfort/confidence of saying (later on) "pop had genco look what i got-" and IMMEDIATELY after he says it he goes, "ah Tom I didn't mean that." those are true brothers.
Duvall, Pacino and Caan were all nominated for this award (as was Eddie Albert), but Joel Grey won it. I have a hard time deciding who I would've given it to. They were all good.
You can see the dynamics of both Tom and Sonny. Tom sees the situation through logic, reason and makes a calculated risk. Meanwhile, Sonny gives in to emotion, he cannot see reason and is willing to go to war, which is naturally the worst decision to make. Michael sees both sides, he wants vengeance, but at the same time knows it must be done in a way to avoid war or at least minimise the risk. In this scene, I believe Tom resembles Vito the most, but Michael is best suited to respond to the changing events due to his generational age and youth and strong character.
to a degree u are right but also wrong because even if Sonny was hot headed he wasn't stupid if you read the books he was actually winning the war but he was caught off guard because of that piece of shi Carlo acting traitor
Nah. It's more like Tom didn't understand the new era of the Mafia where a supreme commander leader has to control or risk losing to splintered groups and ideologies. Michael sees how Tom tried to control the literal head of the family when he becomes Boss, and doesn't allow Tom to not follow orders. Tom gets ghosted. The end.
@@4partmedia you’re wrong, Michael trusted and respected Tom the most and didn’t want to risk him turning against him. Michael always trusted Tom with his “real” family. His wife and kids. He knew Tom was intelligent and powerful in his own right. He was never ghosted, just insulated from the criminal aspects of the family.
2 illegitimate brothers arguing like real brothers. I always enjoyed how these 2 got along in this film, despite their different personalities. I like how Tom always keeps his cool tone despite being disrespected, while Sonny has an extremely short, volatile temper
Their backstory actually makes their performances here doubly poignant - Tom was a low-born streetkid who was virtually blind before the Corleones found him. If it weren't for Vito, he would probably be dead by this point. Not only is he coming from a place of patience and studiousness thanks to his education but he's also well aware of everything they have _to lose_ if things go south for the family, having come from a life of decrepitude and poverty. Sonny, on the other hand, had a completely different upbringing - even though he was familiar with the streets from a young age, Vito was a relatively successful crime boss by the time he was born. Even when he was roaming New York's slums, he was known as "the Don's kid" and probably given light treatment as a result. He doesn't truly understand the stakes here because he's been mostly insulated from the true consequences of his actions growing up.
Sonny loved his family more than anything... He could argue and fight with Tom or Michael but let an outsider fight with them and Santino would kill him on the spot... He had a violent temper but always stood up for the defenseless and meek family members..( Connie especially...
I know it’s sort of implied throughout, but honestly if you didn’t know any better Hagen really was one of the Corleone’s, blood or not, he was so devoted, so loyal
Sonny shows all his sides in that one scene. His childish humor, anger, and eventual understanding when scolded by a clear thinking person. Great scene.
I love when Tom tells Sonny to "take this into consideration". Tom knows he just logically, argumentatively, and in all other ways destroyed Sonny, but Tom still acts like he's keeping Sonny's options open. It's so passive aggressive and brilliant.
Yes but in a good way. Because he loves and respects “his brother from another mother” and knows he can’t won’t and shouldn’t shut him down and make him lose face. So he frames it like a wiser brother giving advice and I’m sure Sonny must have appreciated not only the advice but how he delivered it to allow him to save face
Makes me think of my late mother. Whenever I’d see her or call her on the phone, I’d open with “MOMANUCC-!” She played a substantial role in my falling in love with The Godfather, and film in general, really. 🙏
"No more advice on how to patch things up. Just help me win." I really like this dynamic. Both Sonny and Tom want to end the war. Tom is willing to hear out the enemy side and get a ceasefire so that things can become peaceful again for the family and their associates. While Sonny is wanting to end the war by eliminating their enemy and be the victor so that things can be peaceful again for the family. Both want the same result, but both have different ways of going about it.
Even when James God rest him and Robert tried to do this again in the game you can tell they still had it. Not all there hearts like here but they knew the next gen had to witness this by them. Glad they both came back for the game and props to Robert for coming back again for Part 2 in the game.
@@AngelXO96 Well that's his job didn't the Godfather specifically want Tom to be a Lawyer so that he can be their family personal lawyer? Tom is right when Michael wanted Sollozzo dead. It's business no personal feeling allowed, if you want an example then look at Don Corleone after Sunny death did he demand payback or did he have to move on?
@archangel people always get hooked up on “your not a wartime consigliere”...Tom said give Carlo something important Vito said no - Carlo betrayed them...Tom thought drugs was a good idea and sooner or later everyone would be involved - Vito disagreed lead to a war and everyone ended up selling drugs anyway...kind makes you think.
Sonny loved Michael that was his little brother. He looked at Michael as the hope to be a significant person not in the mafia. Even if he joked about him like he was a school kid he knew Michael had brains and a lot going for him. I think Tom would have been a better boss than Sonny. Much more business minded and even tempered. That said, he would have needed some real street smart thugs around him too as Tom was a lawyer and not a gangster. Tom could never be a boss because he wasn't Italian. Vito making him consigliere wouldn't have flown in real life without him being Italian. That said, he was Vito's adoptive son and nobody would question the Capo Di Tutti Capi of NYC on his decision making.
Tom was behind the scenes for Vito, Santino and Michael. I think he was a good Don. Extremely logical and cool. Especially when they set up the Congress guy in TGPII
Sonny was a man that first he did something then he thinks about it. That's why he was bad don and died quickly. His temper ruled over his mind. Boss cannot be impulsive.
I love the relationship between Tom and Sonny in this film: their familial bond is obviously so strong (I believe it was Sonny, bless his heart, who took Tom in off the street when they were kids) but their instincts (Tom’s for reasoning, Sonny’s for action) put them into almost constant conflict when Sonny is the acting Don. In the hands of lesser actors, that wouldn’t come across nearly so well. Also, I have to agree with Vito: the Tattaglia family could never have outfought Sonny and Tom without the subtler machinations of Barzini.
Watching this scene as an adult makes me realize how brilliant of an actor Andy Garcia was in Godfather 3. He really studied Sonny and became his son. It's one thing to put on a good performance, as Caan did, but it's another to mold your performance around the genetics of another actor.
The attitude sonny has in this scene is hilarious. The situation is terrible, his father has been attacked, the other families are supporting the attacker, the police are on the enemies side, his brother is messed up. But none of that matters because in his mind he’s allowed to kill one guy and he thinks that will fix everything
Real badasses are disciplined and know their limits. They're efficient and adaptable. An emotionally volatile and far too predictable person is just a *thug* And thug carries negative connotations.
Crazy that Pacino & Duvall have only won one Oscar each, and I believe Caan never won any! Another reason why the Academy Awards are, with rare exceptions, a joke.
Caan never have a huge range in acting. I think he would be a wonderful action star, like Clint Eastwood or Burt Reynolds, but he wanted to stay in dramatic roles.
I always thought Sonny's plan was good. Make things so hot for the other families that they hand over Sollozo. Tom brings the policeman into the equation and vetoes Sonny's plan but then a little later is okay when Mike suggests it. This brings Mike into the criminal underworld that Sonny knew Vito would not like and he also wanted to avoid. Mike's plan was not good and seemed only to assauge his ego.
Though the argument gets heated for a while ,I liked Sonny's being respectful to hear Tom's advice . And Tom could have been a great Don considering this scene he explains about the outcome.
I like how Sonny tapped Tom & Michael's ass while downplaying Michael's busted up face & Tom's frustration with the amount of people on the street looking for the Turk. 😆
Sonny had a point though, whilst it was business, the assassination of the don could never have went without reprisal, if it did the Corleone name would have suffered a great deal more.
This is the first sign Fredo was outside of the loop. Michael who had nothing to do with the workings of the family business was included but Fredo is no where in the house. Sonny initially told Michael to leave when he needed to talk privately with Vito…but Michael asked to stay and was included in the discussion regarding what to do next. I also wondered how Tom wanted to talk and make deal was a reason Michael told Tom he was out later in the film. I think Michael watching Tom made him decide he wasn’t a wartime Consigliere.
I like that Sonny uses the title "consigliere" when he's trying to mock and diminish Tom. They're still brothers in the end but Sonny seems resentful about Tom having Vito's trust more than Sonny does, so he asserts himself as Don here.
@@AlejandroSanchez-pl6jw Not Tom personally for sure, but rather the dynamic in the Family, I'd say? The way I saw it, you don't call someone you grew up with by his official title (that your dad gave him) unless you feel like he isn't on your side. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.
You can tell that Tom's demeanor changed after Sonny's death. He walked on egg shells with Michael. Tom and Sonny were even but Michael was above them all.
I believe it was something like "Tom-anuch," an Italian term of affection for a younger sibling, or a child. I grew up in an Italian-American family and I had a great uncle who was born in the old country who called my little sister Maria "Mari-uch." In "The Godfather II," in the scene right after Vito kills Fanucci, he returns home, picks up his infant son Michael, and says in Italian he loves him very much, then exclaims "Mich-eluch." That's what I loved about these movies, Coppola nailed the Italian-American stuff down the to these intimate details that I had never seen or heard before outside my own family.
Am from, Islamabad, Pakistan and we,ve here totally different language...Urdu.. Mostly names are in urdu, Arabic, persian and we do the same, Put an O, double O sound usually , out of affection for the kids n loved ones... My son,s name is murtaza and hez Murtoo, for us :)
Sonny is truly underrated it’s true he had a volatile temper but he was right the other family’s should have handed over solose 2 failed assassination attempts on the don there wouldn’t have been anymore meets .unless the other families agreed that solose had too be killed .before any negotiations would be agreed upon .thats not personal Tom that’s business,this is why Tom was not considered a war time adviser.
The intelligence of the family failed in here. How the Corleones let Barzini go so deep in the organization buying Paulie or even Carlo without anybody noticing is crazy.
Michael Corleone was watching. Tom Hagen was a great talent, but not a wartime consigliere. Michael argued that the key for Sollozzo was to kill the don, and a few days later during the meeting with Michael, Sollozzo refused to guarantee no more attempts on the don's life, he just wanted a truce, to be able to try again at a later date. So Michael proved to be right. As for the police captain, as Michael said years later, if history shows anything, it shows that you can kill anyone. Michael is not blinded by the illusion of institutions, he sees the human beings.
Like whom? Genco was already dead and Michael was still a rookie in that world. But i recall reading somewhere in the novel that Santino saw Michael as a serious candidate to be his consigliere in the future.
Mike saw how Tom wouldn't bow down to the Supreme Commander the mob boss has to be and show the world.... so Mike played no games when he became boss and Tom tried doing the same shit again on him, not bowing at his feet and doing as he's told.
All the 5 families would come after you Sonny. Tom, we are the 5th family? What? There are 5 families and we're one of them, so you meant all 4 families. Wait a minute. (Tom counts with his fingers) Oh yeah. I meant all the 4 families will come after you Sonny.
