The Gold Selling Underworld of Classic WoW is Terrible... 

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yeah and then his editors will upload it back onto youtube and get more views and ad revenue than the person who spent every day making the video.... scummy lazy behavior if ask me.

​@@Narque him stream will get more traffic and visibility to this channel so its only fair

@@Narque work smarter not harder.

are you talking about asmongold?

@@jonnycroxville4590 Yeah they could ban more often and make it not profitable for the botters, but that will hurt their pockets so they dont.

They ban the accounts after the botters have had enough time to turn a profit, making the bans functionally useless. It's just a stopgap measure for them to hold up some meaningless number of bans as some sort of proof that they're fighting back against bots, while simultaneously just doing things to make the botters and goldsellers lives easier.

7 million is roughly one-third of one percent of their quarterly revenue. It's an insignificant amount of their income and to imply they want this to continue is laughable

@@SashenkaKun They could easily solve it by hiring at the very most 10 people, but they dont so yeah. Definitely dont want it to stop.

@@SashenkaKun Shareholders and executive dont care, anything that increases their bottom line is a goal

@@jfkdidntlos791 nah the difference is significant. if the account gets banned, who gives a shit. the actual gold on the account is what he cares about, not the account itself.

​@jfkdidntlos791 The total apathy towards the account being banned itself is insane and very bad. The lack of attatchment towards these accounts show clearly how gdkps are just a means of creating real life revenue, nobody is running these for fun.

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this analogy has been used for years. GDKP was always gold washing.

The bot is the Federal Reserve

And just like the real world, the money is in the medicine not the cure. Blizzard has no intention of completely removing botters. The system is making them money. They just do sacrificial bans to keep new accounts being started.

it's always interesting when real world phenomena make their way into video games naturally

And also provide a convenient excuse for blizzard to implement the WoW token so they can capitalize on this issue themselves.

I figured this out a long time ago and kept telling people who were saying "lol just ban the bots bro" and similar dumb platitudes that the bots literally thrive because **Blizzard approves of them** . And when they ban the bots, those are again a bunch of re-subs and re-purchases. Bots are excellent for Blizzard.

Oh the irony. People rush leveling process when old school classical was all about leveling. I never played WoW past its leveling process myself.

how is it solved easily? I agree, its very easy to make an automated system that gets like a 75% positive ID rate. Now imagine the absolute shitstorm that will occur regarding those 25% of legitimate players that get banned. People like to think they want the solution really badly, and when they get the solution they want, they get even angrier.

@@Imbalanxdbanning after the fact via an analytical approach is not what I was referring to. You solve this more directly and there are several angles. One is make bots a lot more difficult to write by not having as much information client side, and actually engineering in things that both thwart the approaches bots use, and catch them in the act. So you still do in some cases ban after the fact, but it's using 100% verifiable evidence. It's always a game of cat and mouse. The basic formula is you find approaches that obfuscate data in a way where if they are using the wrong data, it's 100% a bot. And where while it might take them a day or so to fix, you can basically automate changing the obfuscation. Which makes botting untenable. This works because bots have to hardcode data from reverse engineering stuff. There simply aren't any known ways to automate reverse engineering. It takes time. Far more time in relative terms then it takes game developers to push out newly obfuscated data. On PC/Mac it's trivial to do things like push a dll to the client and have it dynamically load it. Combine that with the data is algorithmic not some hardcoded string. There is no way that doesn't take at least several hours to reverse engineer. But it's something the game can update like every few minutes if it wanted to. But even simpler approaches like seeded randoms, or data in algorithmically generated field names works just as well if you don't want to go the dynamic module route. And as for what data would you obfuscate? Well it could be anything really that is detectable, ideally something that actually breaks the bots. Like coordinate offsets for example (again algorithmic not static). There are so many tricks here to stay ahead of bots. It's not a game botters can win against even just a team of 1-2 good engineers.

@@Imbalanxd human will not do perfect combination for 10 hours straight

@@BootyFeaster True we are in 2023 and the private scripts people are buying for 1-2k+ are machine learning bots that will take actual player data in as a model and train the script on this. Whatever blizzard can do the scripted can also do

@@chrisochs7112 How's about stop playing classic and giving your money to the very corruption you fight against.

Posting a link or screenshot was an idiotic idea.

Funny, I came here to call it an ugly car lmao

DEF especially with ToGC looking like a hot garbage raid it's time to suspend the sub

Gdkp are banned on turtle

Turn your back and never look back king.

I think it was one of the dudes who worked on nostalrius and helped blizzard make wow classic that said 20% of subs are from bots

It’s just a win in every sense for them they get paid and the servers look populated

how do blizzard get money from gold sellers? I mean if players are just farming, or paying gold from gold sellers, that mean golder sellers get the $ and not blizzard right?

@@Christiansmoviesnow bot accounts have to pay for subscrption :)

lol

Like I said the CMs are legends 😂

When honorbuddy was around, i had a lifetime subscription and ran multiple instances and characters. I had a couple accounts and was making so much gold and items. I did it initially because i wanted to gear up all my characters and have tons of gold, but once i had it all, i didnt care about the game anymore, lol. I ended up getting permabanned on all my accounts for botting and disrupting the wow economy. this was during cataclysm days.

whats your screenname shit lord?

@@jeepanon haha, honorbuddy was so insane. rip our lifetime subs

How much profit you made ?

@@kurrwa When TBC was out, I was making about $800 a week after running costs on Mankrik US.

the players themselves haven't gotten that yet it seems, but the classic community isn't at all what the OG community was and it shows

DM me on discord dude

@@MetaGoblin Message sent.

Share your secrets :0

@@jamestomlin5525 I am, talkin with meta. That said, you have any questions right here?

@@Diceman82 honestly man. I'd be interested in learning what you did and do it myself, haha. But I doubt you'd disclose that, should meta make a video on it I look forward to watching it

This is why I play gw2 Not p2w store, only cosmetics and quality items for lazy people, and has its own gold store

A different elephant in the room is: why do players play games that are so easy that they can easily be played by bots?

@@petersteenkamp beats me. I’m kinda done with them myself.

@Overgear honestly, if I had the means and capital to start that up, I would. However, between work and daily responsibilities (I'm 36) I just wouldn't have the time to farm. My Paladin is coming along quite nicely, so I'm looking to dabble in player boosting. I'm on Moonguard, and there are a LOT of people asking (and paying DAMN well) for it. Providing how this goes, I might just reach out. Your service has been great, by the way. Reliable, safe so far (bough in Classic, retail, and FFXIV without issue), and pricing isn't horrible. I work very long hours, so it's nice to have an alternative to the same daily quests every day

@Overgear also, I'd be happy with 6k per month. 30,000 seems so over the top. I wouldn't even know what to do with it. I'm a simple man with simple pleasures.

@Overgear How much can you make by boosting in retail servers? From Horde side? And how "safe" is it?

@Overgear How do I get started? What is required? Who do I contact?

FAX

It is though. If blizzard banned bots and anyone who bought or sold gold starting in classic it would have been a very different experience. Gdkp is fine if people are farming gold. There also isn't one "community" that includes all players, and players have no ability to police other player's behavior outside of reporting.

While obviously the “gold buyer’s” fault for breaking ToS, it is Blizzard’s job to upgold that ToS. So ultimately, it is Blizzard’s fault 😔. Buying gold is a form of cheating. There will always be cheaters in video games and it is the developer/company’s job to get rid of the cheaters.

Yea, Bliizzard could put a stop to it of course. But imagine, how many subscriptions would Blizzard loose if they would go hard after gold sellers and buyers. Gold selling and buying being so rampant in classic. Proves that the community actually loves RMT. It makes them no business sense to ban them. Of course I would love it if they did but they never will.

Gold sellers works for shitzzard...its a win win for them(mooooar money)😉switch to turtle

more like they should implement a way to ban bots in the early stage

You can almost ignore GDKP entirely if you aren't on a top 5 server for your region. If you're on golemagg or faerline or w/e, you've been getting fucked like this for like 5 years straight now and if you haven't left yet, you're probably fine.

@Jonny Croxville its impossible to stop

The only way to stop it is for blizzard to hire gamemasters that actually work for a living, but we all know blizzard wont do shit.

@@jonnycroxville4590 Yes but we have to talk about things that are actually possible/doable

I don't think AI will make too big of a dent as it uses too much energy as it is. Clientless bots I. The thousands will outperform any AI in terms of efficiency

Not sure you are making a point here. Yes, you have people running the game in a game but it has the same demand destruction because the inflation they are fuelling will result in less players that can keep up

But for real, do people buy raid gear? If something from this video, I understod that there need to be a market for it. Is there really a market for buying raid gear?

@Old School Daffy Duck Are you suggesting the unthinkable? - Blizzcrackers can't even begin to think of this possibility!

ask 75% of classic players

@@johnathanwalker8395 Are you saying only 25% of players are actually playing the game, and the other 75% are farming gold? If that's true, who is buying all that gold?

I don't think so. Because that was being said back in the day too, and yet its still going. It will be smaller, no doubt about that. But its not over.

This is 100% correct. Squeeze what you can out of it because it will die off in Cata.

Pretty sure you're wrong there champ

@@Vihara2 The blizzard addon api is very limited that's why bot creators use lua unlockers to unlock the wow's protected functions. For example one of these protected functions is the StrafeLeftStart which makes your character move strafe to the left. If these functions were available to the public addon creators would have made auto levelers ages ago but since they're "protected" botters use tools called lua unlockers that modify the clients memory to bypass that protection. Go educate yourself about protected lua functions on wowapi instead of talking out of your ass.

He doesn't understand the difference and also doesn't understand what a VM is. Don't think he understands the economics either.

if you can kill gdkps the demand for gold would plummet

@Eddy maximum boobie

@Jonny Croxville firstly, I can do what I please and there's nothing you can do about it. And secondly, I never said I bought any. I said I understood why people did it

@Jonny Croxville but that's exactly it. I don't care about others in the game but my guild mates. Back when classic first came out my server was decently sized and I interacted with other frequently so gold was needed. Now it's small and kinda worthless since you just get everything yourself.

@Jonny Croxville imma go buy gold just for you

@Jonny Croxville imagine pretending to care about strangers on the internet lol

@Jonny Croxville I don't complain about them. Never have lol I came from runescape. The bots on wow are nothing compared lmao