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I've always thought of how boring it would be to be in heaven. always getting what you want and being happy all the time is so mind numbing. for me only two show/movie ever tackled this possible issue. this show, and a Japanese movie called titled Too Young To Die.
I’ve watched the entire series at LEAST 12 times and that line always has me in tears😭 like don’t talk to me for a week, I need time to emotionally recover
I think one great thing about the good place is how it subverts the "hell is other people" maxim by Sartre. They were placed there by Michael, who was convinced hell would be other people and they would torture each other. But instead, they helped each other, making each other better. They saved each other. Hell can be other people, but just as often, other people can save us from our own hell.
well.... that's kinda why I try to put off my completion of these things. I still still have two more seasons of Bojack to watch, and since the 4th season of the Good Place isn't on Netflix yet I still have that to look forward to. Hell, I didn't even watch the last two episodes of Tiger King for that same reason.... ok maybe that's a little silly and I should definitely finish it.
You forgot to mention the Judge's Test in Season 2, and how significant it was that Elanor was the only one to pass. She's easily painted as "the worst" of the group, but when the chips were down even knowing she was condemning herself to The Bad Place, and that she alone could avoid it, she chooses her friends.
eleanor’s arc is so beautiful because it represents a human being’s ability to change when given the tools and having the will to do so. and her passing the judge’s test is definitive proof of that. season 1 eleanor would easily choose to save herself, regardless of the repercussions for anyone else.
@@julesgold_ yes! I really liked her redemption arc because she started out as a genuinely unremorseful mediocre asshole. she didn't have a particularly tragic backstory or something over the top. this means that the whole redemption part of "redemption arc" was actually genuine work from her. I appreciated seeing it done this way instead of a "misguided" or fully evil character getting a redemption arc.
The best part about the ending is that at the end, evry character became what they were "perceived" in season 1 Tahani became an actual humanitarian and helped people even in the afterlife Jason became an actual monk, in his silence while waiting for Janet to come back to "the door" Chidi became an actual accomplished philosopher that "found" his answer Finally, Eleanor became the "Fake Eleanor" that helped the world by reaching out to other unfortunate souls and gave them a chance in (after) life Oh and the demon actually became human, just like he wanted to(?)
Yep, the entire facade of season 1 Michael heavily relied on pretending to enjoy little human things. At the end, not only did he truly do enjoy them, but he also got to fully experience those things from their perspective
@@ljesak I also would like to add something: The fear of death isn't what makes us good all, what makes us good is suffering and our desire to avoid on us and others, eternity doesn't nescessarely means lack of pain.
I honestly wish I could reset my mind and watch the good place again. I watched it with no spoilers and no idea what it’s about and I loved the experience. Honestly I think most things should be viewed that way.
I watched it the same way! Everything was a surprise to me. Including Eleanor not beloning there in the first episode. Best show ever when you not know stuff.
I watch whilst it came out I remember my Friday routine was come home from school turn on my Xbox and watched good place. I remember that fondly and I cried at the ending placing it in a very exclusive group. I wouldn't trade that away even to re experience it
That purgatory you felt at Disneyland was really similar to what I experienced as a Cast Member. It was this weird duality that I loved being at Disney and I could technically get in for free, but I never had anyone to go with. So every second I was in the parks alone was weirdly magical yet isolating at the same time. You never really feel more alone than when you are surrounded by people.
"This might not seem completely relevant.... but I spent two weeks in Disney land." Literally tho, say no more. I immediately realized where you were going.
the s1 finale is genuinely one of my favorite things i've ever seen in a tv show, mostly down to the fact that i NEVER saw any of it coming, despite the show giving me all the hints in the world that it was headed that way
One of my favorite parts of the season 1 twist is that only Kristen Bell and Ted Danson of the 6 main protagonists were told it from the start, the others weren't explicitly told until much later. You can find a recording of the group reaction of the four pretty easily too on here (on youtube).
I remember asking my father when I was 15 or so (At that moment being raised LDS/Mormon) about the afterlife. The concept of eternity sucked so hard for my brain. I asked him, "Can I commit suicide in the afterlife?" Because I never wanted to live forever. It made everything feel so meaningless. The 'Door' in season 4 felt like it resonated with that notion my teenage brain was tapping into - infinite amounts of anything makes that thing worthless. That Death makes life worthwhile.
FWIW, I know many eastern cultures believe in reincarnation. There’s even a Korean movie called “Along With the Gods: The Two Worlds,” about a man’s journey through the afterlife to reincarnation in 49 days.
I remember being spoiled for the “this is the bad place” twist and still trying to watch it. I was shocked when it happened in the first season, but also happy because that meant I could enjoy anything else it threw at me with fresh, unexpecting eyes. But boy did they throw ALOT of other things at us.
@@youtube.handle69 if people haven't watched the show as of starting this video they've already been spoilt. don't read the comments until after you've watched the show if you don't want to be spoilt.
@@youtube.handle69not really much irony, there's being spoiled and then there's spoiling yourself. If you click on a good place video and scroll through the comments without watching the show, you've accepted you're spoiling yourself
oh my god, i knew that track sounded ridiculously familiar! you're right, the music was totally inspired by the sims games oh my god. what a genius touch!
@@dia8183 I'm pretty sure they're just emulating the 'idealistic' suburban, tranquil lifestyle both the sims and the original neighborhood aim to capture, rather than that one is inspired by the other. Although obviously most players in the Sims aren't too concerned with making an 'ideal' lifestyle for the characters in it
I didn't even realize that with the music and stuff. I actually think life is like the sims if God exists. Just putting some random people on earth and torturing them for its own pleasure. Or making people fall in love and have baby's. Life is exactly like the sims. That is why I think earth is the bad place. And I hope with that new system they invent on the show that life will get better for all humans. If only this show were true.
i was watching the good place intermittently when i was dealing with a huge amount of death anxiety. i had that before, but it was always about when i would die. this time around, it was anxiety over the fact that i _will_ die. i kept fearing the idea of non-existence because existing is all my brain can comprehend. during that time i was on a road trip with friends and the topic came around to what happened when we die. our friend said nothing happens, and you stop existing. what was interesting is we both had the same idea, but she saw it as a comfort, while i was plagued with fear. it was good to talk about though, as that was the first time i was really able to get it off my chest. sometime after that, i reached the final few episodes and it suddenly threw a wrench in my fears. i realised that if i didn’t die, i would exist forever, which would frankly be terrible. so i’m basically now dealing with the biggest catch-22 ever. if i had it my way, i would love an afterlife of a hundred or thousand years (or bearimys, as it were) of so until i finally reach that calm and pass on into non-existence with no regrets. but in case that’s not how it goes, i must learn to reach that nirvana and acceptance before my wave returns to the ocean. and this show helped. i can say that for certain.
I know this comment is old, but I feel this. Recently I've been dealing with a lot of anxiety about the eventual death of myself and the people around me and I think It's takes on death like The Good Place and Memento Mori by Will Wood that have helped me and people like me a lot.
tbh i am just rooting for a concept of dimensions or time that we cannot comprehend after death. Like its not forever but it is, I have no idea what it could be but I hope that there is a 3rd option that is is 100% incomprehensible to our linear thinking of time.
I also have an intense fear of death anxiety. I've actually had it lead to such an overwhelming breakdown I was forced to go to the hospital. I have all the fears of nothingness you mentioned but also moreso I am terrified there is a very specific religion out there that was actually correct but I didn't follow it so I'm going to go to Hell or whatever version of the bad place exists. It still gets me worked up sometimes ...
I'm glad I recently finished this. I had the initial "bad place" twist spoiled to convince me it was worth watching, but I knew nothing else about what the show was about. The thing that I appreciated most was the character development and progress through the seasons. Each season is very different from the others as characters grow and change, as their situation progresses.
Quinton's assessment that season 1 "fools us" into thinking it's a traditional sitcom is accurate, I think. But the way that Season 1 "fools us" into thinking it's a traditional sitcom rewards viewers with details that rewards thinking viewers (those not watching just for mindless entertainment). The twist is still shocking, but details (e.g., the real Eleanor) raise the level of quality.
Yeah, there were certain moments where I thought writers just weren't thinking things through. There were moments where I was like "how the hell could heaven have this many problems? It's heaven!"
Since this is full of spoilers, a note about the very end: - the cast doesn't unrealistically throw themselves into oblivion, this takes place literally thousands and thousands of years after they got to the good place
The season 1 finale plot twist was so out of left field for me that when Eleanor made that realization, I actually laughed because I thought there was no way that was actually true
I love all the little details of this show. For example, i love how, when trying to convince the judge not to destroy earth, they ask her if she thinks that the members of "Friends" ( the tv show) deserve to be in the bad place. Micheal clearly states "okay, maybe Ross and Rachel, and Joy and Chandler... but Phoebe?" and the judge agrees that Phoebe doesn't deserve to be in the Bad Place. And then who plays Hypatia in the Good Place? Freaking Liza Kudrow, te actress who played Phoebe! That was oooh so nice, altough that does raise some questions about the canon of the universe in the show
I think season 4 contains hints towards many ideas presented in eastern philosophies, how constant pleasure can actually lead to suffering (or in this case pleasure zombies) and that life is quite beautiful because of its finite nature.
what you experienced at disney going everyday is such a good lesson. when you have so much access to something others view as so amazing and wonderful and you over access it, you tend to start to dread it and want to leave it and get away from it. you get told you should be excited to go to such an “amazing” place, or that you’re lucky, but after a while too much of a superficially good thing, you start to hate it.
I took the end as 'she became that little voice in someone's head telling them to do the right thing'. That voice she always hated but should have listened to
I remember that I absolutely hated Elenore in the first season. But later, she got a massive character development and I ended up loving her as much as I loved the rest of the main cast
Im just gonna stare at the bee movie toys the entire time you talk about the concept of death, to remind myself after I die I will exist in the bee movie universe
After he said “...everyone has a shot at being a good person.” That statement was immediately proven wrong by the prageru add that played immediately after he said it
What is prageru? You know ads on YT are custom Tailered to you so maybe some of us have a chance. My ad was for LG earbuds tho so not sure what that means for me
@@christophergreensides1410 PragerU is a fake online university that specializes in right wing propoganda, buying up many add slots on RU-vid to push it to as many unsuspecting viewers as possible. The OP was likely referring to the extreme scumminess of the company and the people who fall for it will never change or that they were pushing the idea that reforming individuals was impossible, either way, I am astounded you have yet to be put through one of their ads, aka video lectures
If the system is real, now would be a perfect time to earn a bunch of points by doing nothing. "Self-isolated at home during the pandemic +1000 points"
So, I was actually halfway through watching The Good Place on Netflix, and when I saw you posted this video I waited to watch until I was caught up to not accidentally get spoiled. Then you made the video spoiler-proof.
Your video on the Good Place made me get a Netflix subscription just to watch it and I have to say, as someone who LOVES philosophy, it really changed how I view death and morality.
This might mess up your analytics, but after you gave that beginning disclaimer, I saved this to Watch Later. I will watch the show first. Sorry Quinton
I avoided the Good Place until before the final season because it looked like any other sitcom to me. But when Kristen Bell mentioned in an interview that it’s a show that deals with philosophy, that piqued my interest enough to start watching. The philosophy discussions initially hooked me, the season one finale made me binge the rest in a weekend and become a Good Place Evangelist!
I once got into an argument here on the RU-vid comment section when I stated that the central message I could take from the series is "there is no ethical consumption under capitalism". So, yeah, good to hear it here now. Also, damn, even just as a recap, seeing the ending again made me cry just like the first time. It shouldn't have the right to be so beautifully emotional.
As someone who's seen scattered episodes from seasons 1&2, having all this spoiled for me actually makes me way more interested in watching it! Thanks for another great video
Quarantine qrew, reporting in! There's an interesting little speech in Good Omens - the book, possibly the series too - about how terribly long eternity is, and how spending all of it in capital-H Heaven would eventually become its own form of torture. It's a neat bit of synchronicity between this show and Good Omens.
Speaking of good omens, hot take. TGP Michael is kind of a mixture of Aziraphale and Crowley. He’s a white-haired, bowtie-wearing dork who loves humans... and also, he’s a demon, and at that, the one demon who prefers clever psychological tactics over the crude tactics of his colleagues
I don't think the chemicals in the brain that cause eternal pleasure to become torture would exist in a metaphysical Heaven, though. It's too bad shows like these take the concept of Heaven so literally.
If you're getting bored, then it's not really "Heaven," is it? People imagine Heaven as being some sort of constant orgasm, but wouldn't there be more variety than that? If you started to get bored, wouldn't "Heaven" change things up?
I'm the same. Knowing the ending doesn't ruin the journey. There are some exceptions.. occasionally not knowing the ending or spoilers is better. But not usually.
@@personneici2595 I'm in a similar position with certain friends. I don't mind being spoiled, it won't affect my enjoyment of a well crafted piece of media while weeding out the stuff I'd find a waste of time.
I'm not scared to die, I'm scared because I don't know what comes after. The thought of my thoughts just stopping terrifies me more than anything else. But there are moments when I think that as long as I enjoy my life and try to do good, everything will be ok and the end isn't as scary anymore. And, there can only be beauty because one day, all that is beautiful will seize to exist, so it's ok. As long as I just continue to have fun and help others as much as I can, it'll all have been worth my eventual death.
the way I think about it is that before I came into being, there was nothing, so I skipped straight into being alive. After I die there will either be an afterlife, or it will be nothing, and I will skip straight into doing something else. What if some super civilization comes around in a billion years and finds a way to revive everyone? for me, no time will have passed, other than maybe a few minutes while I'm dying. Or maybe it will be way more than a billion years, maybe this universe will die, and then through some unimaginable means another universe comes about with new rules, and somehow I come into being there? After all, there is LITERALLY INFINITE TIME ahead of my death for something to come out of left field and bring me back, or have me inhabit a new body, or anything else I couldn't imagine.
This pandemic has actually given me the same kind of heaven I thought I wanted, just like in the good place. Sure, I'm about to complete the first chapter of the manga I've been wanting to make because of it, but I'm so bored being locked up in my house, that I will probably never go on vacation ever again.
I put off watching this video until now because even though the ending of the good place was meant to be beautiful I still sobbed and needed time to mourn. Then I kind of forgot you made this so when RU-vid recommended it after I watched the ancient aliens video, I got really excited to watch now that my heart had settled. Fucking you made me cry again you bastard what the heck Quinton
"Every existing thing is born without reason, prolongs itself out of weakness, and dies by chance." - Sartre Quinton Reviews got it right when he mentioned Satre. The Good Place is a very funny take down of ethics from start to finish. It's existentialism through and through. There no purpose or meaning to life. The only way to have purpose and meaning is to make it all up just like the show does. Purpose, morality... it's all just made up silly stuff ... yet it's what matters most. " just remember that the last laugh is on you " Eric Idle
The first few minutes of a RU-vid video convinced me to watch a tv show that in no small way changed the way I look at the world. This show means so much to me and the reason I got into it was so I could complete a quinton reviews video. No regrets! Thanks so much for the recommendation!
great video! i think one of my absolute favorite things about the show was how it never seemed to forget anything. doug forcett was a small joke in season one turned to a major plot point in season three. the attention to detail was incredible
i want to say that this is my favorite video on youtube, quinton. literally that i’ve ever seen. i just saw one of your recent tiktoks and i was like who is this man?? i agreed 100% and then i see this - it’s perfectly put together. i only watched until maybe season 2 but i have to rewatch because it is so eye opening from start to finish. i can’t wait to know what you have to say about Leave the World Behind. literally ab to watch all of your other reviews now !! ☺️
im three min into the video and as much as i would love to continue, i think ill stop now and go watch the show first, then come back. your argument was incredibly convincing, so thank you in advance
I used you spoiler warnings. When I first watched this video, I had only seen up to the season 3 finale. Thank you for breaking it up like you did. Once I got to where you talk about season 4, I turned off the video and waited for it to become available. I’m so glad I waited. I thought the ending was perfect. If there is an afterlife, I hope it’s like that.
Dont read if you havent watch part 3 and further There is a point to be made for Jason living better after being brought back, he tells his dance crew to stop commit crimes, tries to win the dance competitions to get by but fails basically because he is stupid but again the show makes the case that Jason is mostly the consequences of his upbringing and isnt really stupid just uneducated and naive, he mostly has the most emotional intelligence of the group and in the end just abdicates and let everyone go back to crimes but he doesn't actually go back to it himself
‘The first thought in all these characters minds should be that it’s horrible that after orphans die they go to hell to be tortured.’ YES!!! This is why I HATE HATE HATE Chidi. He’s presented as the moral centre of the show, but he doesn’t care about the people rotting in hell. Eleanore and Tahani are acknowledged as selfish, and Jason is dumb, but the show lets Chidi off the hook for not immediately questioning the morality of this setup.
Me and my family watched each episode of season one came out along with season two and that first season finale had all of us blown away because looking back it all makes sense and it’s done in a really good way that allows for the next seasons to build off of
just finished the good place and was looking for a good analysis vid & when your toy shelf popped up i thought to myself "now this is someone i can trust for a good tv show analysis"
I watched the show in two days (May 2020) and I cried during the finale, which is shocking because I almost never cry. The show had great lessons and was very emotionally engaging
As someone who has a family history of suicide and has had suicidal thoughts, the ending of The Good Place felt deeply wrong to me and disturbed me. Like “hey, everything ends up terrible in the end regardless, oblivion is the only relief”
One character I actually really related to and was rooting for was surprisingly Vicky. I know she's a demon and is trying to torture our protagonists, however I found myself relating to her alot. She has a job that she does well but is never respected for it, She's treated worse because of her gender, she's gaslight, she's blamed and punished for someone else's misdeeds and is just generally bullied. Not to mention being looked down upon for being a millenial something we both had no control over and yet are still judged on. That's me. I dealt with workplace bullying, shitty coworkers in multiple jobs and never feeling respected or valued for work I did. that just hit home for me.
I will say to people who have watched all of this video and are still thinking of watching The Good Place: yes, do so. I actually watched three or so episodes of Season 3 before I watched season 1, and it was still very impactful. A good show is still good even if you know the twist!
I loved this video! You brought back the beauty of this show for me, which I've watched in its entirety about half a dozen times now. Thank you for sharing!
This one video specifically is the sole reason I decided to watch the good place. I was intrigued and did trust the opinion of Quinton. I never went to watch the spoilers as to not ruin the show for myself. every season that went by I would watch a bit more of this video. After season 3 however, I couldn't watch the next season, for the longest time Netflix didn't have the last season. And I was honestly tempted to just watch the last part of this video and get it over with. But I didn't, I got this far going blind, I might as well finish it blind. And my patience paid off as Netflix recently added the last required season. Leaving me able to finish this show once and for all, and this video as well. I do not regret watching this show, It was far better than I would have initially anticipated, So I just want to say Thank you for making this video, and Introducing me to this Show, Its something I am truly grateful for, truly. With all that said, If you even see this, Take it Sleazy.
Thank you for continuing to make vids during all this, man. The sources of entertainment like this are some of the only ways we can all get through it without going insane
As for your intro: People need to understand that humans have diverse interests and can enjoy "silly" "childish" things and still be emotionally intelligent and smart in general
i watched part of this video after having watched the first season like, six years ago, and this got me to finish the show. thank you for making this because i wouldn't have finished this fantastic show. genuinely one of the best sitcoms and deconstruction of a sitcom ive ever watched
Hyped for this video! TGP really is an incredible well constructed show, I cried at the ending, because it ended but gave great conclusions for the main cast.
I so want a long boi version of this, but I'm sorry to hear you were in that mindset I hope you're doing better I just found you and I never really comment, but you are awesome bro very professional, I wasnt doing the best awhile ago too and if I knew you were alone in Cali I would fly there and spend a couple weeks with you, just don't think I can be as cool as you though.
Didn't realize that that season was that far I feel bad in the last 10 min I'm going to need to stop. I love your content and you have a great way at looking at things, as well strong as hell pushing through it all.
Since season 4 just came out on Netflix I finally watched the last 4 episodes and can now watch this video. It was worth the wait. I think this may be my favorite video you've made
Man, I remember randomly catching an episode or two of the later seasons and thinking to myself “wait, you mean this show is actually conceptually interesting and like, actually questions morality and spirituality in meaningful ways?”
I'm so glad i binged the entire show since this video was uploaded and not ruined my experience like i always do with media. Thank you Quinton for making me want to watch this show.
The Good Place (the real one) felt like Pleasure Island from Pinocchio and the Lotus Casino from Percy Jackson. It felt eerie, having everything you want whenever you want it, is actually terrible.
I clicked on this video because I love this show and I also love your analysis of tv shows (I found your office video especially insightful) but boy oh boy, your trip to Disneyland punched me in the gut. For six months, I worked at Walt Disney World. I spent my last semester of college in their internship program. At the beginning I loved it. I didn’t like school so I enjoyed working full time and had one of the best jobs in the park (Entertainment Costuming I love you) but I didn’t know anyone and had a hard time making friends as people came and went frequently. So, like you but for six months, I either was working in the park or visiting a park almost every day. They way you talk about your mental state describes how mine was perfectly. At first I was seriously considering staying on full time, I was graduating and didn’t have any prospects except a part time gig in my home town, and Disney seemed like a place I could build a career at. But just…the brain mush of such saccharine entertainment and always positive workplace got to me. I enjoyed it and would do it again but I was definitely glad to be home and am not going back in a hurry. Thanks for the video!
as an agnostic I don't believe there is an end in that time is not linear, only our perception of it is. we where born and died during the bigbang and from our perspective once we die there is only one place to go and that's back at the beginning.
I've never seen The Good Place, so maybe I'm just basing this completely off the surface-level elements, but a lot of this stuff REALLY reminds me of Angel Beats.
Hey Quinten, brand new sub from the UK here. Bin binging your content since the wknd as we plunge back into lock down. Love that you love Red Dwarf man. Used to watch it with my dad back when it was on regular TV when I was a kid and have always loved it since.