the great (2020) - catherine humiliates lady svenska scene [S1+E3] 

For context: She wanted to stand out, she claimed “ she always does” and now she’s the same color as the walls.

oh for fucks sakes, we can see that!

Thanks. but the colors still looked good on her. 🤷‍♀

@@celeryg66 to be honest, as a man who gives no fuck about clothing it took me a second look to understand it.

@@celeryg66 🤣 🤣 🤣

Yeah. Dress her up in the drapes since she may look like a tent.

Deliberately make it so she blends with the wallpaper. You did understand the joke? I’m not sure. Hard to tell…

​@@MasqueradiaI got the joke. I made the same one in my head. 😉😂

I've botched that as well. I wonder if it's meant to set her apart, she's less extravagant and debauched then the ladies of the court, more pure.

I think it’s her way of refusing to be dressed up like a peacock 🦚 for the mere amusement of the men. I love that she dresses more practically like a man - strategically ready for political battle.

Underdressed* Undressed is a tad extreme.

@@sparksfly6149 Haha oh god i meant under dressed

@@SilentAssassin927 Hahah thank god you’ve rectified it now!

Yeah, that's because you're not a Regal lady from the century of Russia that this story is set in, so you're not concerned with the same social standards that they are. It's almost like we have an entirely different fashion today than we did back then 🤯🤯🤯

Why was the girl upset about the dress?

@@livingdemontrash because the fabric of her dress was the same fabric of the curtains.

Same

Go watch the show aha we don't wanna spoil you

@Plot_Twist ENDINGS the lady had her maid beaten previously, so Catherine humiliated her in front of the court by making the interior of the tent match her dress

@@mangosoda7117 so why was the maid beaten? I don’t have Hulu so I can’t watch lol

@@ComaLies225 the lady doesn't like the maid because Miriam used to be one of the court and then she was made to be a maid after her father had sex with Peter's mom (who was dead at the time). So she beats Miriam and puts her down every chance she can because she now has a higher status than her.

Was it like the Carol Burnett sequence of Gone With The Wind? Catherine liked something that she saw "hanging around."

Marial (Catherine's maid) was beaten in the previous episode because of Lady Svenska.

@@karolineCPH ooohhh. Yep, that's a good reason.

@@BVBloom Catherine's push back is much more civilised yet more cutting psychologically.

Her maid being beaten was the last straw, but this lady was being despicable to Catherine also. She is the leader of the ladies at court, and she sees the Empress as a potential rival. She started the rumour that Catherine had sex with a horse. Only later in the season did Catherine manage to earn the love of the courtesans.

@@princevesperal The courtesans? Do you perhaps mean the courtiers?

Hulu! Season 2 is coming soon! I look forward to this horribly inaccurate, delightfully ridiculous show.

Being dressed as a curtain is certainly not the most flattering thing to happen

The dress is made from the same material as the tent.

lately i found out about this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Cloth i felt like an idiot in the context of the show though

@@danaoct293 that was interesting. Had no idea. Probably going be a little judgy when I see someone in stripes now. LOL 😝

@dana oct I don't know that there's any reason to think 18th century Russians had an attitude to stripes the same as that of 13th century French people. I think the issue is more just one of ego - specifically Lady Svenska's ego - which is a more modern and secular notion (the awareness of "I"). Lady Svenska likes to "stand out" - against all the other people (especially ladies) around her, and as she indicates when she first receives the dress, she prides herself on standing out. So she is vain and likes to be the centre of attention or people's focus. She likes people to go "ooh, ah" when they see her. But when she's invited into the Empress's presence, she finds the Empress has given her a dress made of the same material as the walls of the Empress's tent. Against those walls, she certainly can't stand out. She just blends right in. She's part of the furnishings, no more. It's as though Catherine is saying, "You are nothing and less than nobody. You are a wall, or as noticeable to me as a wall." Coming from the Empress to a lady of the court, it's a big put-down, a slap in the face, a reminder to know your place. And it's a big hit to Lady Svenska's ego.

Before.

It was made from the exact same fabric as the tent drapery. Making her literally "blend into the scenery".

Also I think that was on purpose (or it seemed like it). Since Catherine knew ahead of time what fabric the dress would be made out of.

@@StarUnreachable Quite likely she had the tent interior and seat cushions changed to match what ever dress was chosen.

Basically the issue is one of ego - specifically Lady Svenska's ego. Lady Svenska likes to "stand out" - against all the other people (especially ladies) around her, and as she indicates when she first receives the dress, she prides herself on standing out. So she is vain and likes to be the centre of attention or people's focus. She likes people to go "ooh, ah" when they see her. But when she's invited into the Empress's presence, she finds the Empress has given her a dress made of the same material as the walls of the Empress's tent. Against those walls, she certainly can't stand out. She just blends right in. She's part of the furnishings, no more. It's as though Catherine is saying, "You are nothing and less than nobody. You are a wall, or as noticeable to me as a wall." Coming from the Empress to a lady of the court, it's a big put-down, a slap in the face, a reminder to know your place. And it's a big hit to Lady Svenska's ego.

I lmean by those standards... Catherine was Prussian, and they all most likely would have been speaking perfect french in those kinds of settings anyway.

same reason romans in movies and series speak in perfect english with british accent lol

because British people are playing them. If you wanted historical accuracy, can you understand 16th century French in heavy Russian accents?

@@chrisreay7033 I would prefer accuracy with some subtitles! Lots of British actors speak southern American dialect perfectly Understandably! I think there are many options other than every show in a foreign country highlighting English with British accent as their default!

The answer is very simple. This show is SATIRE.

She was hoping to stand out but looked to made to be part of the background.

Are you that girl who has a mathing dress with the carpet at a hotel?

Basically the issue is one of ego - specifically Lady Svenska's ego. Lady Svenska likes to "stand out" - against all the other people (especially ladies) around her, and as she indicates when she first receives the dress, she prides herself on standing out. So she is vain and likes to be the centre of attention or people's focus. She likes people to go "ooh, ah" when they see her. But when she's invited into the Empress's presence, she finds the Empress has given her a dress made of the same material as the walls of the Empress's tent. Against those walls, she certainly can't stand out. She just blends right in. She's part of the furnishings, no more. It's as though Catherine is saying, "You are nothing and less than nobody. You are a wall, or as noticeable to me as a wall." Coming from the Empress to a lady of the court, it's a big put-down, a slap in the face, a reminder to know your place. And it's a big hit to Lady Svenska's ego.

The word has been around for a very long time. Since 16th century at least.

They would also have been speaking 18thC French, German or Russian and not 21stC English

@@bluestar101101 I am aware of his existence. He was also 1 person.

@@Alsemenor The russian empire covered A LOT of land. Like seriously, a lot. Do you really think its people were all homogenic in looks? And also, a royal court would attract nobles from all over the world, including areas situated much, much further. Please keep your bigotry to yourself.

@@jealousharibo ​ @Kornwalia The Russian Empire had a lot people in it, but there wasn't any significant black or indian ethnicity within it. *Especially* not in the royal court. What I don't like is when you shove diversity into places where it doesn't need to be. I would have the same problem if they made a tv show about fucking Han China and the imperial court was full with white people and africans. It is stupid.

@@jealousharibo If you want to absolutely shove black people into 18th century Russia - make a movie about Gannibal Petrovich, who was an actual African who was more or less adopted by Peter the Great. There you go.

And somehow they all had English accents.

Just say you're racist. You didn't complain about the British accents and several historical errors and jokes in this show.😒

@@galaxywanderer5508 Furthermore, there wer eblack people in the Russian Emperor's court, there's for exaple Avram Gannibal, great-grandfather of Pushkin.