to all of you out there from a twenty year professional, read the msds sheets of any products and put in the cas number of each ingredient and find out what it is exactly if it doesnt say on there and find out about the product as much as you can (for example 8012-95-1 which is parrafin oil) and learn to understand what each ingredient is and what's it's there to do. my teacher and mentor who is a chemist, thirty year detailing pro and detailing product chemical company director has taught me a heap of stuff and one of them is what each ingredient is and what's it's there to do and which are good and bad. it has helped me alot over the years. any company that refuses to provide msds or sds sheets as their also known as, you should refuse to buy product from, I know I won't. I am glad to help out those who want to learn more.
I truly appreciate and trust your advice. I have gotten into detailing as a hobby thanks to you maniacs! I bought Hydrosilex and used it on my daughter's car as a test. I was very impressed with the results. They overexaggerate their claims but wanted something that was easier to apply than a ceramic coating. I obviously did not do my research on other more cost effective options. When I have finished up this bottle, I will be more diligent in my next purchase. Thanks again Jon! Keep up the good work!
I use and swear by TLC the last coat. I personally don't see anything incorrect in their advertising. Ive used f11 and my comparison video completely agree with the above. Their claims ARE highly exaggerated. Its not that you never NEED to wash your car again when f11 is on the car, rather you CANNOT. My tests prove f11 disappears very quickly. The last coat, on the otherhand i absolutely swear by. The durability far exceeds f11 and you CAN use a car soap (ph neutral of course). I don't see or have experienced any false claims in their advertising.
thanks camero yes important point they are not all gonna be the same products. The last coat Ive not heard of before though. looking at their site though it does seem on the surface of it they are overcharging. I can almost guess the origins of a lot off them. One point I wanted to make in the video, is that these types of products can perform well. In fact really well. So some of these products may well be decent. but overpriced and as soon as I read the testimonial and the video links it just smells like the other ones and how they promote them (water based siloxane for lots of money). thats why if you ask on forums you will likely get a product recomendation which is just as good (or better) for a lot less.
I did it all in one take, and like when I finished recording I was like yey I did it. that was 3-4mins got up and rendered it and it was like 11 :( damn
I'm glad someone independent said it. There's tons of spray sealants out there at a fraction of the cost that haven't used the incorrect terminology. Even concentrated spray sealants too so they last for ages,
I really appreciated this video on the new craze of Ceramic Coatings. I'm more than happy maintaining my cars paint finish with all the great conventional products which are highly improved in the past few years. As far as the newest Ceramic car coatings goes, I don't see any great benefit. We'll see how they evolve. Thanks
Auto car washes use “protectant” products that add gloss, cause water sheeting. Some even contain SiO2. And they are DIRT CHEAP! Is it possible that some companies are bottling it down to smaller sizes and reselling products that cost $20/gallon??
I've seen the ads and they provide "lifetime" protection, we laughed at it but from the point of view that the advertisers wouldn't know how old cars we drive in Finland. The best legit Ceramic coatings could indeed be lifetime when the car's life is around 3 years. But yeah, a background check for products is easy nowadays. Also, a new smartphone for only $1 dollar. Only for you. Please give Credit card details :D
Optimum Clear Coat Restorer is something you really have to get your hands on! Test it when it is available (it was introduced now at SEMA 2018) and tell your honest opinion! Needs a compounding phase and paint prep after that probably to get the clear coat to have something to better stick to? It should actually be the real deal = more clear coat on your car!!!
@@flemmingjensen3202 It should be the real deal = clear coat. Look at this from 38:15 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xDSJiUNoEXw.html "This is gonna build 10-15 μm brand new clear coat over top of your clear."
Stephen Bissett From Optimum forums ”According to Dann Williams, he has applied outside, but be aware of wind/dust. Again CCR works on damaged clear coat, but not failed/failing clear coat.” ”According to Yvan - to know when Clear Coat Restorer will be effective, if a damp microfiber makes the paint look good, CCR will work. If it's hazing, flaking or peeling, you need a body shop. ”
There's so many here in the states. It floods my friends feeds and they ask me about them all the time. Top coat f11 and hydrosilex are the main ones I see. They're around $60 for a 16 oz bottle. Crazy.
Don't believe the snake oil. I spend a significant amount of time educating clients pertaining to the detailing process and the reality of what is possible or safe for the vehicle. You don't turn a 2000 Toyota Tercel that has never been detailed into a show car. Thank you for this excellent vid.🍻
The original USA Diamondbrite was invented by David Persell in Charlotte michigan, inventor of motorkote engine treatment. Diamondbrite, then, was an acrylic teflon product.
Seen a few of those lately. I can see why people fall for them. I guess Facebook’s algorithms are targeting me due to my recent interest in detailing. I will always rely on recommendations from people like you Jon. I wouldn’t buy anything via Facebook anyway.
Meguiar's is releasing a Ceramic spray wax late this year/early next year. Can't wait to test it out. It's always interesting to me how company's think this will be as good as a ceramic coating.
I reported a product ad on Facebook as it was obviously bullshit, removing a scratch that was right down to the primer if not the actual panel, amongst other things. Facebook just said there is nothing they can do. Really.
I'm actually looking forward to the new Meguiars offering of this type of spray on rinse off product. They unveiled it at SEMA, their Hybrid Ceramic Wax. Just looks like Carpro Hydro2, Gyeon Wetcoat, or any of the other offerings of that nature. 26oz for 15 dollars, and I believe it'll be available locally which is really appealing to me. Even then, if you waited for a 20-25% off sale and free shipping on a website that carries it, you could potentially pick it up for like 12 dollars. Which seems like a really solid deal. Unless it's a terrible product, but I can't imagine it would perform any differently than the others on the market.
So glad I'm not on Facehate. I always form my opinion on what to purchase by listening to impartial advice from honest, hard working, passionate people like yourself. Do not underestimate the valuable service you provide to the general public. Thank you for giving your time and effort so others can benefit from your expertise.
facebook is getting really bad now. dont even know what Im looking at when you launch it, just some wierd feed of adverts and like youve been framed style videos on the feed. seriously considering ditching it as well but the FDC page is a good tool I guess.
Also Meguiars new 2019 spray on Ceramic coating, which says on the front of the bottle SIO2 ingredients, now its basically the same as CAR PROS Hydro 2, spray on wet surface and rinse off, but again you have to read the instructions, which states that you have to put down a foundation layer, meaning you apply it just a like a wax o other type of sealant? the best thing is that its too little too late for meguiers, meaning that there's plenty of spray on coatings or sealants sold by pro detailing suppliers which are a lot cheaper and works really well, not a dedicated Ceramic coating like those tested or reviewed on this channel ? So as far as meguiers spray on SIO2 coating, why bother spray it on a wet surface, when you could wash your car and put the foundation coat on it and then the next time you wash the car, do it again, that way your always upping the protection, at least thats what i would do, as its the hi pressure water and water combined which activates the product. :)
I’m not scared to say it, a CarPro Rep told me verbally that Hydrosilex Recharge is a direct copy of one of their products. I’d still like to know what is the best spray on top coat product out there regardless of the price and then what is the best for the price???
F11 topcoat is snake oil. You have been warned. Ok it does shine and its slick. Not the easiest to wipe off. The problem is though it does not last. Soap washes it right off. I got 2 weeks tops. Anyone want to buy my remaining product cheap?
I have been using Tershine Refract and Magnify Wax. Both products are SiO2 based carcare products. And they give a gloss and a deep never seen before. Only thing is that it's a hell to get it off the car when you want to do a new polish 😅. Took me 6 months to clean it off our V70II, now i have gone back to the real deal with Carnauba wax.
This was so friggen necessary. HydroSilex is a jokeeeee and I feel so bad for anyone who has paid their detailer $XXX.XX to apply it over a quality wax/sealant
I use Adams ceramic boost and swear by it and it’s a great stand alone product. You can use it on a non ceramic coated car. I don’t have a ceramic coating on the car but my wheels are coated. I use the ceramic boost on the car and wheels it really is a great product that works well.$24.99 16OZ bottle.They have a ceramic paste wax I’m waiting on I ordered it and will put a coat or two on before the bad weather hits.
I would guess the adams product will be every bit as good and 24.99 isnt cheap but its better than like 60 dollars from a brand you have never heard of.
Can any spray product really be a true ceramic? Surely the nozzle would get blocked in no time? I actually prefer siloxane based products tbh. So much easier and rapid to apply with much less prep, easily topped up, much cheaper, 5lt concentrate around £40, less fussy about what products are used after applying. I would never buy the Facebook stuff though.
I am not an expert on ceramic coatings and have never used one,but I have been watching youtube vids about them for awhile. Only the past few months did I start hearing about these so called SPRAY ON ceramic coatings.Ceramics to my knowledge have always been in maybe 4 or 5 oz bottles,not sure but very small.they usually last what? 2 years or more.Many of you have more knowledge about this than I do.So my question to all of you is, how can these so called SPRAY ON ceramic coatings come in such a large bottle.They must be diluted alot. Is it water,other liquid fillers,whatever,I don't know. It's very suspicious that a company like Adam's for example claim that their spray on ceramic coatings is 9h,which i have heard traditional ceramic coatings are about 8h or higher and last two years or more when Adam's, and other companies say that their SPRAY ON ceramic coatings last maybe 6 or 8 months .Any thoughts are appreciated.Am I stupid?am I missing something?.it just seems like common sense to me.these companies do sound like they are being somewhat deceptive.i would love to hear all your thoughts.do I make sense?
Does anybody know of Carbon Collective products? They have a range of ceramic coatings for paint, wheels, trim, glass. I have used their products and they seem good, but I never see them mentioned or evaluated. Maybe that is a good thing. If they are mentioned in FB, I will never know. I don't do FB.
HENRYHOBBS1 Yes I use it on my Camaro SS it works great even without a ceramic coating. I use a lot of Adams products I just ordered the ceramic paste wax it’s expensive but I figured with the winter coming I would put a coat on.
Very false claims indeed on some of those FB adverts, also they appear to not only resist all dirty and water they actually fix dents and scratches .... ! Some must fall for it sadly 🤔
If a detailing product is that good, you would have heard of it if you're at all active on detailing forums or You Tube like I'm sure we all are. I automatically ignore anything advertised on Facebook as it all seems complete junk.
most products are just resins, polydimethylsiloxane etc (silicone basically) I'd rather stick with the known brands such as Permanon and their awesome Gold and Silver Line SIO4 products. Gtechniq and the other well known brands that have proven themselves to be the real deal.
some peeps must be though duck. the fact the price is so inflated means they dont need to sell as much, but the fact that the trend seems to be growing suggests this method works.
they actually say 20 times glossier which is even worse. 20% might actually be proveable (although I would lay money that a wax will actually lay down more gloss if you took 10 average car panels and did hood 50-50s.. the wax will win gloss wise on average paintwork)
It never ceases to amazing me john how people fall for the crap they put out there.. we both know that you only get results in detailing with hard work and experience..any body can have a shelf full of products it’s what you do with them.. plus don’t say that Matt from obsessed garage has anymore experience than yourself mate 👍🏻
Tim Clarke my friends just now are going crazy after pics they have seen of cars coated in this wax on Facebook so there buying it and trying to explain to them your cars are covered in swirl marks that’s taking prob 50% of the gloss away already but each too there own
I want to say l'm new to detailing. Am I wrong in just sticking with soft99 wax that you recommended. Ceramics for beginners seems dangerous and expensive. Just my thought. Great video! Thanks
There is nothing wrong with not using ceramic coatings. Detailers did not use them for years and were able to achieve amazing results without them. That being said, if you are able to apply them and cure the coatings correctly, they can help your maintenance for 1-2 years. It's a pain upfront for less hassle later. They are never a necessity for any car just as PPF.
Must admit I have been fooled iam a weekend warrior so I valet at the weekends and friends car etc but I bought angel wax ceramic “INFUSED” shampoo and ceramic “INFUSED” QED 🤬
£18.95 for 500ml.. good news is you have not been done over. 35 quid for 500ml yes. AW prices are strong generally and they dont do any of the stuff I was talking about in the video craig, its a decent brand that also formulate.
So I just watched this video last night and now, the very next day under the exact advert you are talking about lol. They even set fire to the car ffs lol. These companies are a joke
no idea Brick, I would guess polymer sealant held in solvent. but this video isnt really talking about the dealership type sealants, but that would make an interesting video for sure
@@ForensicDetailing Chemical Guys website says it is $40 sir. I am considering giving it a try, but wanted to see what you think of it, I trust your judgement, so if you think it is a good product, then I would to take your word for that. Thanks for the reply your videos are spot-on!
my concern is they are not giving me enough information to know what the product is. I want to know if its water based. And the dont even tell you that. if you watch the CG video on it. watch them applying it. Then make it look like a proper ceramic. Is it water based? most things in micky mouse plastic bottles like that with spray triggers are water based products. If it isnt water based.. ahh could ramble on for hours here. I might try and get some and review it... but I need to ansewer certain things in my head and buy something. It could be decent value if its not a water based thing.. if it is it could be overpriced...
@@ForensicDetailing thank you I appreciate your input and I would appreciate if you did a review on that product because I am very unsure about it and I would really like to know your opinion so thanks for the reply love the videos keep up the good work!
interesting. Is it a ceramic wax though. Theres prolly around 100-500 ceramic or SIO2 waxes on the market. but only 4 I know of that are full blooded ceramic waxes.
@@richardfox2996 oh right I know the one you mean. yer price looks decent. guess you can say its bandwagoning because of the label "ceramic" a bit like I mentioned in the video, some major brands are guilty still off this. but I know if its meguiars it will be half decent or perhaps even very decent.
problem will be if you video that sort of stuff and show one product to be awefull you will get sued. but the product may well be decent though, its really the all the specific criteria in the video that all add together to make it what it is. like someone else said most people can just spot it instantly even from the way the product is presented and the language used and all the 5 star ratings etc..
@@ForensicDetailing You should try Kamikaze's Miyabi Coat Jon. It's about 80$ for a bottle but me and a friend managed to get 2 layers on 4 cars out of one bottle. So around 10$ a layer or 20$ to ceramic a car. Ease of use, looks and hydrophobicity are tremendous. It's mainly the ease of use that's hysterical. You can literally forget a panel for like 20 minutes without any issues. Something you don't get on other real coatings. Gives you alot less stress and peace of mind which I think makes it very fu n to work with!
@@MrNacho1955 me likely :) coatings a nice to layout and buff. G wash is very good. V2c3 I think ive had duff batches off.. but what ive seen of gtech has been cool, good brand imo
When speaking of siloxanes, which type of products are based on those then? Is it the WetCoat/HydrO2 types or the spraysealant with SiO2 types, like ReLoad?
so any protection product generally that you spray on and can rinse will contain a cationic siloxane. In the same way you have cationic surfactants. They are drawn to the clearcoat and then they bond to it. The terms SIO2 can literally mean anything, silicon dioxide literally so forms of silica with that single silcon molecule and 2 oxygen molecules a whole range of materials can be silicates. Something like wet coat is siloxane based but its either a really cool form of siloxane which hardens more than others or it has something which makes it go harder. something like reload I believe is siloxane based as well but contains another components (the white stuff) which is a form of silica (trimethyolated silica). Im not sure what this version of silica brings to the table.
Forensic Detailing Channel Thanks Jon, so the "pressure wash off" products contain siloxane. To clarify, the ReLoad is a spray on SiO2 sealant which does NOT work when sprayed off. I've had to try of course. ;-)
Forensic Detailing Channel I gave it a go with the Kärcher a while back, and it didn't work at all. Left nothing on the paint. Aren't you thinking of HydrO2? Or maybe CarPro changed the formula? It is a _spray_ on, wipe off product though. But, let's not split hairs here ;-)
hydro02 and reload will both use siloxanes.. but reload has a form of silica in it as well. the difference will be the ones design to be sprayed on and rinsed off in my view have a much high concentration of siloxanes. reload has silixanes in it (and the trimethoylated silica) but its not designed to be sprayed on and rinsed off, so its probably a different concentration thats more appropraite for its usage.
Thanks for watching out for us !! words i see out there are Nano---- wich means small..all the way to atomic levels.... and Poly-Mere....poly means many.. mere = parts.... many parts..... loll! its like the word usage of natural.... doesnt mean much!! but it sells!~ ;-)-
@@theragcompany 100% - it just seems like another scam product like F11. You can tell where these companies put their $ - look at all the SEO / fake videos / advertising $ they put in and 'testimonials'. It's a total scam to win over entry-level detailers and enthusiasts that have no idea on the vast amount of products that work that are available.
@@motiOn732- For someone who has used The Last Coat for a while now, and used F11 for 1 year. I can honestly say with my experience, TLC is not a scam like F11 is. TOPCOAT F11 VS. THE LAST COAT. (RESULTS WERE SHOCKING!!) - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bE6dy_vb2gw.html
they may all be good products. in fact one of them I do know about I would almost lay money is a really good product. but its that criteria in the video. the last coat definetly triggers my alarm bells. specially things like this... "The Last Coat is 100% Guaranteed to leave a mirror-like finish on any car" use it on a heavily oxidised car and it wont do much... appreciate your video, Im not trying to call into question your review in any way, Ive not heard of last cut at all so Im just looking at the site and thinking out load.
@@ForensicDetailing, first off, I'm happy to answer any questions you would have about The Last Coat. We get lots of questions about vehicles with oxidation, and we always state that The Last Coat isn't going to perform as well on a vehicle with heavy oxidation and that it won't remove that. We're very transparent when helping customers out on what our product can and can't do. I can't speak for the other products and companies that have been referenced, but we're detailers ourselves, that's how we started and that's still what we do. We're certified ceramic installers as well, and we still install ceramics when it's requested. We were getting great results internally with our product and figured others could get great use out of it. We're not the villains that some in this thread are attempting to make us out to be. We often recommend other companies products if we feel that's the product that will do the right job. Since it was mentioned, TLD Products polishing compound is one we recommend all the time for those wanting to DIY their paint correction. We've spoken well about CarPro products and others as well. Frankly, having someone state that we're a "100% scam" is simply wrong. And no, there was no "big scuffle", I would be happy to privately send you the discussion we had with this individual. I'm not sure if they have a personal vendetta with us, or they work for a competitor. Who knows? As @WestCoastCamaroZ28 and others on RU-vid have said, they are happy with the product and with the service from our company. They feel they have gotten their monies worth, and are happy with the results. As far as using advertising to get our name out. Well, we aren't Meguiars, or Griots, or Chemical Guys. We don't have massive followings. We're a young company so we can't, yet, benefit from a long history in the industry. I'd be happy to take feedback so that we can adjust our message, or make things more clear to the end visitor. Happy to hear it, and we take constructive feedback from Pros and DIY'ers seriously. We're always looking to improve. Selling online is new to us. And yes we always say, there are lots of great products out there and if someone finds something that does a great job, then great. Finally, as for our pricing. CarPro Reload is a well-respected product in the industry, and we've had people say it's comparable to The Last Coat and we've noticed that too. It's a good solid product. Reload retails on their site for $34.99 for a bottle. The Last Coat, for one bottle, is $39.97. The difference is, if I buy 4 bottles of Reload it will go for $139.96. We give price breaks on volume and 4 bottles of The Last Coat are currently $99.97. So that's about $25/bottle and we throw in a couple of our 400 GSM towels as well. Their gallon is $219.99, ours is $189.99 before any discount codes when available. Anyway, my point on mentioning the pricing to show that we're pretty comparable with what's out there. Like I said, happy to answer any questions and take any constructive feedback.
Hmmm, unfortunately I think your preaching to the choir here, doubt most of your regulars would fall for this snake oil. Let's hope we can get the word out. 👍
Im not sure you can blaim people for being clueless Dennis, although yer to me soon as I see the type of advert I kind of see it for what it is, but as a young lad I might not have done that. but also other peeps not into detailing might see it and watch the technical BS at the start to try and like make it sound all scientific stuff dunno.. but yer :)
I don't blame people for being clueless, might be me i gave up trying educate people yonks ago, you can't save people from themselves the market is flooded with shite or rebrands any way, can't be doing with two faced book anyway lol.
Please don’t plug that goober from obnoxious garage. I love your content. But good god that guy is the most obnoxious whiner. How and why people listen to that goober is beyond me.
for every person behind a channel theres guys that hate then. Its scary shit when your on the other side of the fence, because theres nothing you can do or be that will ever avoid someone hating you. same way if matt mention me someone would comment in about how much I sux and they hate me etc...
@@ForensicDetailing - Point taken - but like I've said before. I think his channel and the ideals he pedals are generally unhealthy for kids/teens that don't recognize that he's simply a man boy that's very very sheltered. His channel sums up an empty purposeless life and generally why people hate Americans. Like other youtube uploaders he has a platform to sell his crap and broadcast his thinly veiled bragging about how awesome he is all the while whining about his pretend mental illness and scratches on his GT3 and so on while telling you to buy his $100 wash bucket. Promote him all you want, I and many many others that dislike him will simply move on to other content.
holy shit your scaring me now :) unhealthy for kids? very very sheltered? purposeless life? hate americans? selling crap? Bragging? pretend mental illness? Id say its very clean healthy content I would happily let my kids watch it (wouldnt say that about much of whats on YT), hes about 5000 times less sheltered than me in fact he has viewers dropping in to meet him, community events where he goes and meets other car enthusiasts he lets people in on his life, his life is a hell of a lot better than mine btw Id swap places tommorrow lol. he doesnt sell crap either, the opposite of crap, I cant afford all that stuff but I kind of aspire to bits and pieces of it, I want to get the garage done like with metal workshop cabs just like matt has it. I would happily tell peeps to go give OG a watch, its on my featured channels list, I could tell you another story about why it is, I pinged matt about 3 years ago when I had like 38 subscribers and 1 video lol, I said something like hey matt do you want to feature my channel on your you tube channel and ill feature yours thinking thats a fair deal! (feature as in using the "featured channels" option, not like do a video). I realise now channels with lots of subs dont feature channels with like 38 subs, why would they nothing in it for them, in fact they are "featuring" a complete unknown with no content, who might turn out to be an idiot. If someone asked me to feature a channel with 38 subs Id tell them to fuck off (in a nice way). Because I dont give a shit about their channel (kind of), Im in it for my channel, im in it for me, im an asshole (true). Nether the less your man there who you only see the bad in, stuck my channel his featured list.
@@ForensicDetailing I think you're a good dude and I really like what you're doing. Your content is awesome. Promote who you like, who am I to tell you what to do with you content. You seem like an intelligent man so it does surprise me that you think his display of financing items such as cars and a home equal a better life. I strongly suspect the outward appearance is much much different than his reality... That's another story all together, most car guys feel he makes car ownership not fun and promotes the idea of lock and seal it away and never play with your toys because you may scratch them, which is silly and the exact opposite of how you derive joy from this hobby. To each there own. Cheers and I wish you much success with your channel.
Hydrosilex don't do that I use it all the time I don't have a face crap book but I know you don't see hydrosilex ads on you tube lime you do to f11 junk I called f11 out on their shit an no reply yet
