I’m a subscriber and have listened to the entire interview. I think it’s one of my favourites. I’m 64 years old and have lived in six countries on four continents, have two university degrees and have worked in news media and education for 40 years. There are EXTREMELY few people I’ve encountered who can stay this focused and proceed so logically for so long, it’s seriously impressive. If Sam Harris is not an American (and, indeed, western) treasure then he is damn close.
The whole interview is 1 hour 40 minutes long. If you think that qualifies as a rant I pity you. Sam gets under your skin so deeply you even feel the need to attack someone who compliments his work. I say what I say to demonstrate that I have been exposed to many people in many circumstances, unlike say a farmer or a sculptor etc. I hope your hatred consumes you so much that you have a heart attack and then settle down. Goof ;)
@Doc Holiday the first part of his comment is relevant because of the second part of his comment, and he's talking about Harris' career not this one podcast. Why be such a negative prick?
@Doc Holiday why are you so angry about it? Do you always reply to comments if you don't understand why the commenter posted them or this one made you particularly angry?
Sam should really look up Moldbug's theory about nonsense as structural principle. The more obvious the lie to pretend to believe the more you show loyalty to the group that have coalesced around that narrative. Explains a major part of the madness we see today. Read, also, "Calling a deer a Horse", an old Chinese tale about the phenomenon.
This really helps put a name on, and round out conceptually this methodology by where every assertion from the far left is a gullibility test that must be passed with a lie, and your moral worth as a person is hinging on your willingness to do this. Each one being successively more abhorrent and nonsensical than the last. And now we see routine calls for violence for people not willing to pass the 33rd Chamber of Death. Like hey, sorry man, I just cant bring myself to say biological sex doesnt exist. There are four lights.
“Obvious” is subjective, and is a bias that is preventing you from the simpler explanation that people just believe in things you think are outright false-in most cases. Some people actually do pretend for group loyality’s sake, but it’s hardly substantial enough to ever violate a principle of charity. Do you agree?
@@petesake1181 I agree that is a part, but one that comes along more after the beginning of the Foundation Myth of the group. The newer members are more prone to accept the Noble Lie as truth, versus the founders who likely knew it was bullshit. Get them while they are young and all that.
Never any mention of the coming catastrophe caused by drastically altering the planet’s atmosphere…as usual. Climate is at least as important as nuclear war risk or AI. Yet people rarely talk about it.
I think at the end, they were basically saying that everyone is skeptical about everything...reminds of Socrates: " I am the wisest person because I know nothing "
"Amusing ourselves to death" is a book on the topic of how entertainment conquered other industries. Tim points to a sitcom and modern politics, but the same process went on in other previously "serious" pursuits. They sell better when they're spiced up with entertainment, so as "fast food versions" of themselves. Boring gets outcompeted and any attention is only given to what is fun.
I loved the idea of a more two-dimensional look at peoples leanings & the thought behind it. The science lab versus the echo chamber. Looking at the comments below it appears not a large number of posters commented on this. That's a little disappointing. I was hoping to find others that might consider this interesting.
"The Great Derangament" is a title of an amazing book on climate change and culture by Amitav Ghosh. I wonder if it gets mentioned in this podcast (haven't listened to it yet). Sam should really talk to someone like Ghosh, because his circle of guests is surprisingly narrow (although it might seem otherwise)
I was thinking something similar. I don't often hear Sam and some of his guests include climate change in their discussions on the multitude of issues (AI,pandemics, polarised politics, social media etc) rapidly impacting societies. I'm not sure why? I guess environmental sciences is not Sam's area of interest. However, in addition to the impact on the biosphere, climate change is already impacting factor in human migration, regional wars, food security etc that will affect all world societies.
51:05 " If you're in one of these environments, and we all have been there, " you'll notice that one of the main activities is just talking about how right and good we are " and how wrong and bad the people who disagree with us are " that'll just take up a whole dinner, a whole three hour dinner will just be that." It's AWESOME how RIGHT You Are ! B-)
The music that fades in at the end of every single podcast is the smoking gun of the issue that Sam Harris himself laments, which is that there is a relentless attempt to keep our attention. If I subscribed to this podcast I would basically be paying money to keep myself addicted to these sorts of topics. What Sam Harris seems to not want to acknowledge is that his living depends on the very set of algorithms that he is complaining about which is to serve up ever more podcasts either from Sam Harris himself or other similar talkers. I have great respect for Sam but everyone who operates in this sphere is in fact contributing to the problem. The only reason I keep listening is because i also learn a fair amount, but it is not clear to me whether overall it's a good thing or bad thing.
Get over yourself. This is an ad for his podcast. You don't like it you can go away and click not interested and this kind of stuff goes away from your youtube feed.
lol, I think you hit a nerve with some people. Good insight. We must be careful what we wish for and very cautious what we follow. Maybe the media is the message and we are all just being trained, intentionally or otherwise, to just be media consumers period. I haven't listened to Sam in years - sounds like it's still the same basic topic(s).
All of the meaning-making that a human mind produces is only of two concerns based on what's happening: What is the impact on the probability of one's survival, a/o what is the impact on the probability of one's quality of life. But since the human mind can justify anything, and there are parts of our own brain that are not our friend, the higher 'rungs' of understanding and maturity are only available to those who honestly pursue them (dig into Know Thyself) and care to do the work. But it's random who can or will do that and who cannot or will not. Not everyone has the 'free will' or cognitive means to climb Mount Enlightenment.
Using a book with each page being a fixed number of years provides a misleading sense of change. A better analogy might be a fixed number of lives lived per page. If you did this tend evenly spaced intervals in terms of lives lived would look something like this: 200000 BCE Language, religion, art 10000 BCE Farming 2000 BCE Archaic Kings 500 BCE Bureaucracy/Axial Religion 200 CE 800 CE 1250 CE Universities 1500 CE Proto capitalist 1750 CE Industrial Revolution 1870 CE Democracy, Industrial takeoff 1957 CE Democratic takeoff Today The reason for this approach is that human evolution has been driven largely by cultural evolution in which the population evolves, not individuals, at a rate proportional to the number of people. So in other words, all of the cultural evolutionary change since 1957 is roughly similar to that over the first 190 millennia of humanity, or the amount from the beginning of agriculture to the height of Bronze Age civilization. This gives a sense of accelerating change. The more recent period is probably even faster as the evolution rate is more likely proportional to world GDP, which grows even faster that population. This evolutionary change also involves political and moral evolution which I added to the time line.
@@brian5001 Like I said it depends on how you define it. So far, it appears you have a set definition and arent willing to go beyond it. However for the average person can help the planet/environment ( which it appears is a concern of yours , and I qgree it is important) by not having children and not riding in airplanes. So for all the people who have accomplished that they have by your ideals ( as per comment) they has been successful.
@@brian5001 Balance. For any living creature to exist they must impart some impact on their surroundings. Humans, like some other animals who are considered an "invasive species", are at a severe imbalance, but not all humans, and the potential for making the shift to a carbon neutral world certainly isn't impossible. You may walk around touting pessimism and antinatilism all day, but that really isn't doing anything to help the issue. If you're so passionate towards this subject, perhaps you should make it your life focus. You may find you have more of a positive impact than you had predicted possible.
@@brian5001 You're pointing weapons at yourself ? And, you think I'm the worst thing ? Sounds like youve got issues far beyond making useless comments.
15 years ago, Sam Harris promised us that if we just got rid of religion, we would live in a world driven by logic and reason. My how wrong that prediction turned out to be.
As someone who has lived with their parents way longer than usual i can say to everyone you should value that small amount of time later in life. Visit your parents as little as possible, your life will improve
@@cubeh8331 Naw people want to complain every episode instead. The point is to point out the product costs money, not that you can ask for it for free. These people are sad.
The idea of telling ourselves the truth because the truth shall set us free is scary and hurts, but is it true? I wonder if lying to ourselves that we will see each other after death in Heaven is a more effective strategy than not?
I’ve been on Tim’s email list for a couple years. I thought maybe he was blogging about writing a book, without actually writing a book. Gets married. Has a kid. Still no book. Keeps rededicating himself to the task. A story about writing a book, where the writing is the story.
When the working class have a voice Sadly in Murica it isn’t a fkn thing No mention of working class in Murica ….. they start with middle class??…😅 What about the fkn poor !?????
The poor have such little buying power that they aren't considered as a viable demographic except to pretend to have sympathy, despite the poor outnumbering every other class.
If a zealot says "the sky is blue", their zealotry is warranted and appropriate. Tim has some good points, but it's ridiculous to say some both sidesism garbage when only one side is banning books, taking away basic American rights, and trying to gaslight the nation into a false reality. I guess I'm a zealot to him because I can't believe how otherwise intelligent people can't seem to appropriately rank the relative dangers currently present in American society and which political movement is responsible for them.
So I think if you have doubts then you may want to consider yourself a zealot or to possibly have some traits. I want to convey my sincerity when I say by reading your comment that I don’t know which political party you are backing.
The one side you fear so much literally owns nothing. All the zealots are on the Left because they own all the institutions including the military and the Left is global.
I still don't get why intellectual people like Lex and Sam are even bothering speaking to someone like Tim who has said he's happy he's not friends with anyone who's an activist and considers all activism bad with no context, no clarification and no reasoning. He's such an empty persona and I really don't get his appeal. I'm not looking to get into an argument or debate but can someone who considers themselves partial to Tim or a fan or something explain what the appeal is and what they see in him?
So you’re telling people (Sam and lex) they should have nothing to do with said person (Tim) because said person has nothing to do with some other people? Ain’t you doing that exact thing?
I'd never heard of Tim Urban before this discussion, but I was very impressed with the ideas he expressed in this conversation. Based only on this, I would be quite surprised if he truly "considers all activism bad with no context, no clarification and no reasoning", but I am open to examining the evidence. Would you please provide the source that supports your view?
That's what all this pearl clutching about protests and "cancel culture" is, they just want activism to disappear and take agency away from people. The fact that these opinions are often held by capitalists friends with billionaires like Tim Urban is with Musk and others should make you think twice about their intentions.
Sam - I watched you as a young fella at the (Melbourne) Global Atheist Convention in 2012. Your books on religion and meditation have had a profound impact on me. You seem less concerned with hard truths these days and your audience seems less engaged. Is it because you are protecting an established career, or just getting older and more comfortable with the political establishment? You seem unwilling to address legitimate concerns about lockdowns, pharmaceutical companies, and anything Trump 'rednecks' might find important in life. Genuine question, from not a fan of either major party.
Your question is really just an assertion that Sam is “less concerned with hard truths”. Have you listened to every podcast Sam has made on these topics in full? What truth do you think Sam isn’t concerned with? What truths are YOU ignoring?
@@UniversityOfScience "What truth do you think Sam isn’t concerned with?" he doesnt seem particularly conerned that he played defense for a marxist, authoritarian theft of our system and all of the structures, or an illegitimately installed old folks home patient destroying the country at a pace never before seen, over thebest president in modern history
What has technology done for us? We have gone from working 3- 4 hours per day, most of us work 3 times that much now. Technology has brought ruin. Just a little more technology and everything will be great. We only ask if we can- not if we should.
Here is a flaw..... You forget to take into account population size..... Of coarse ALL development is MODERN, because we have the MAN HOURS..... Had there been millions or billions of people in the past, who KNOWS what might have been achieved.
Ask Sam, I think Tim’s showing a lot of Taoist guidance for looking at things in a practical and natural (sense of) manner which definitely is not against the grain. The whole world needs more of a common sense approach to our lives as is practical in all cultures and societies.😊
Just think of all the needless attachment syndrome studies that could be avoided if we had a spiritual civilization like the one the westernizing chinese tried to destroy in Tibet
Your comment= - 24/7 Trump, Fox Propaganda network or any Republican= THeY aRe cOmInG fOr yOu....your guns....your churches....your kids....your jobs....your soul....your church....your food.... Literally stoking fear, grievances, fake outrage based on lies or projecting= The RINOs of the Cult of Diaper Don
Sam Harris logic- If everything was different right, I would not be wrong right, and since eveything could be different right, I am correct right. Somone suffering from NPD is incapable of admitting when they are wrong.
@@matttzzz2 I haven't moved out because there is an abusive partner that plays out every time, something like this. Mom : you need to find a place and move out. Me: ok I found a place that look nice and I can afford Mom: you can't move there that's a bad part of town Me: how about this other place. Mom: you can't move there you won't take care of it. I don't think there is a place they would say yes to, and I can't just rent an apartment because my dad hates rent and bought into the whole "buy land they aren't making more of it" bs. Meanwhile he owns a home in a small town that had a bank, a restaurant, a store and now 30 years later has none of those things. The same kind of thing plays out while looking for a new car too. I'm just screwed I guess.
@@cmhardin37 like I said abusive cycle that I'm leaving a lot of context out of. They might even be able to take my bank account because their names are also on it, so I don't want to piss them off too much.
Are the gospels legends? Another point is that on that view you would have to regard the accounts of the Man as being legends. Now, as a literary historian, I am perfectly convinced that whatever else the Gospels are they are not legends. I have read a great deal of legend and I am quite clear that they are not the same sort of thing. They are not artistic enough to be legends. From an imaginative point of view they are clumsy, they don’t work up to things properly. Most of the life of Jesus is totally unknown to us, as is the life of anyone else who lived at that time, and no people building up a legend would allow that to be so. Apart from bits of the Platonic dialogues, there are no conversations that I know of in ancient literature like the Fourth Gospel. There is nothing, even in modern literature, until about a hundred years ago when the realistic novel came into existence. In the story of the woman taken in adultery we are told Christ bent down and scribbled in the dust with His finger. Nothing comes of this. No one has ever based any doctrine on it. And the art of inventing little irrelevant details to make an imaginary scene more convincing is a purely modern art. Surely the only explanation of this passage is that the thing really happened? The author put it in simply because he had seen it. C.S. Lewis, "What Are We to Make of Jesus Christ?" (1950)
Why? A violent middle/Old aged man gets you hard? I personally think such war mongers are bedt dealt with if we hold their families responsible, non violently of course. Since Sam started masturbating to zelensky it killed it for me😮😢
His cult is massive and growing constantly. It also appears to be a cult that spans a huge range of topics and positions … the very opposite of what a real cult is. Get back under the bridge you silly trolls.
Wire like neuronal structures that conduct electricity via ions/neurotransmitters in the CNS/PNS possess no attribute of thinking/life and yet that has “randomly” led to life. Consciousness/thinking is an innate idea that is distinct from carbon skeleton and yet the materialist scientist believes that chemistry turned into biology via “god of randomness”/” magic”/miracle of randomness”. Consciousness can only stem from consciousness itself (Allah-(one/indivisible/loving)
Looks like we have another triggered snowflake TJW with Ramon MAGA Lopez TJW = Trump Justice Warrior (Beta male Trump Justice Warrior living in daddies basement using mommies laptop defending his Orange Führer)
Not sure he said that's when it started. Would suggest that that period really magnified it. Vietnam + civil rights + Nixon + cold war were likely an era where it really became a thing. Trump literally waved it in people's faces. How about you describe your version of when it began?
The only derangement Sam should discuss is his covid & trump derangement syndrome! He got so much wrong on covid that his credibility on anything else is shot !
Exposed during the pandemic for the person that you really are. People can see you now. They know. Everything you utter today is referenced to this exposure.
@@thishandleistacken Did you see his latest interview on Triggernometry? Or his ridiculous post Covid commentary? He basically said election fraud, government colluding with media and big tech etc, suppression of the Biden laptop story were "justifiable". I've never heard anything so dumb and dangerously stupid uttered by someone with such a high IQ in my life.
@@thishandleistacken This is of course dwarfed by his idiotic comments on him being completely wrong about Covid. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-If9Npw8gbeU.html&ab_channel=TheJimmyDoreShow
He sided with authoritarian criminals who tried to turn out society into China using the sniffles as an excuse. Plus he pushed dangerous, unnecessary medical interventions for the same sniffles.
I can’t stand all of the fake topics like the ones Sam mentions in the intro, as though Sam Harris doesn’t know that all of the insane topics have been artificially exaggerated by algorithms. We think we’re hearing the opinions of our peers, but we’re hearing what those who “fund” the online transactions we consume want us to hear.
So before listening I just want to throw out there, that is exactly how I see and hope others would see all trending topics no matter the season. Propaganda is very effective and we all fall prey. Myself included!
@@MoozerTheBlob I think it has worked rather strong on you. Your on here defending another man with evidence showing clearly what an individual he is. From the central park five....to the Trump University con - January 6th insurrection - twice impeached....lies over lies....his disregard of a peaceful transition....giving the order in Lafayette square garden....his disregard of the truth concerning the election he lost. Sam Harris sees what you, a Partisan hack and obvious Trump Justice Warrior, can't. That Trump is a piece of shhhhiat.
I hope Sam did listen VERY crefully to what Tim said between Min. 38 and 45. And I hope Sam realizes that Tim was very much talking about him. With a bit of self-reflexion, meditation and pride-swallowing - who knows, maybe not all is lost with Sam. This is the season of hope after all.
The problem is really the people like sam harris with their chutzpah, who somehow claim to know what part of human social behavior is a bug and what is a feature. Who claim to be thinking for the future of whole humanity. (LOL) Claim to know what is moral and what is immoral etc. etc. etc. It is taking him forever to realize that all his ideas are his personal tastes and personal opinions, which he then poorly covers with ad-hoc rationalizations. If people like sam harris realize that they are not neo-biblical prophets with access to absolute truths, and if they have basic capacity to realize how ridiculous their bash shenanigans would seem to others, reconciliation between different ideologies would be much easier and quicker.
The Christian Nationalist Trumplicans are triggered....Sam Harris rejects their Orange God. Like any America living Patriot he rejects the Unamerican agenda of the cult of Trump.
Nah, sam harris pretty much acts like a biblical prophet, spewing out commandments at his wish, and then calling his critiques as "non-experts" or bad faith actors. Which makes me wonder, in what field does sam harris consider himself an expert. LOL Last I checked he s*uks at almost everything, except maybe the low hanging fruit of asking scientific proof for religious claims, maybe he should stick to that shtick. Imagine never even being a student of even basic computer science and then trying to discuss "the ethics of A.I". There are literally millions of actual experts who can talk better things than sam harris on almost all topics. But it will always be the self help group of liberal *pubelic intelekchuls" like sam harris who get propped up by the media and entertainment industry. The whole evolution of social narratives and cultural attitudes is a tightly controlled field these days, non-deserving people like sam harris get invitations, recommendations, air time, good book reviews etc. just so they can maintain the guard rails of the idea space and people be restricted to chose among an approved set of attitudes and political positions. But when it comes to chutzpah of public intellectuals, sam harris takes the cake.
@@johnstewart7025 I'm afraid those days are gone. The past 3 years have seen so many liberals morph into totalitarians who want to exclude half the population from citizenship. Noam Chomsky, Robert Reich, Sam Harris (well HE thought he was a liberal)...
@@UniversityOfScience Because these losers are on every one of his videos as soon as they come out like clockwork. It's a dedicated group of haters with no lives and nothing better to do.
