Samito wanted to clarify that he's not 100% on the stats he cited from Overbuff about the tank stats, since he thinks they actually show the pick rates of the heroes, as opposed to the rates of people queueing the role. This episode was recorded on 14th June 2024. Podcast links below! If you're enjoying this content, why not let SVB know on his stream (www.twitch.tv/svb_ ) The best way to support the podcast is still www.patreon.com/svb Soundcloud: soundcloud.com/ow_svb/the-great-dps-debate-2024 Spotify: open.spotify.com/show/6sRWutKTc0gnWuguo62Vpa Apple Podcasts: podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/svbs-group-up/id1490256265
Statement about Sam is 100% Accurate. Keep in mind, Overwatch Reddit AMA Confirmed that Overbuff was pretty accurate. Could be less, could be more, but the number is still quite close, and speaks volumes.
It's probably true. I've grinded tanks since ow1 S2 it's always been my main role and I tried grinding through mauga Orisa meta etc but I finally stopped playing it. It's just not enjoyable especially in high rank games where certain comps will force you to have to play certain tanks that aren't fun it's not worth the time anymore. Currently playing dps
@@o0_VanYsH_0o This isn't true. Overbuff has had an outage since venture was added. The results are similar when overbuff is working, but it currently isn't.
@@o0_VanYsH_0o > Overwatch Reddit AMA Confirmed that Overbuff was pretty accurate Remember that the exact quote specified when it comes to win rates. The pick rate data is skewed and not an accurate representation of how many people are playing the role. If it's still not clear, for an Overwatch role queue game to happen, it must have 1 tank, 2 dps and 2 support. So unless you're using games where role queue doesn't exist, that's the only way you end up with role pick rates that are different to 20%/40%/40%. This is why the comment above mentions the rates of people queueing the role, since that data would actually tell us something, but sadly that data is not something we can collect.
@@o0_VanYsH_0o Samito's argument doesn't make sense when you boil it down, though. Tanks are powerful now and feel terrible; there aren't enough tank players and there were even less tank players in 6v6, hence the bribing. His solution is to *make tanks weaker* and add another one to team comps and mystically people who didn't play tank before will suddenly flock to playing tank again? Make it make sense. It doesn't. It's just rose colored glasses on a game he raged about back then and refuses to admit just how much he hated that too.
Sam, Spilo, and Flats are the *only* content creators I’ve seen on here consistently willing to talk about Overwatch as a game in an honest fashion. Even when the latter two continue to hinge their reputations upon _such an idiotic and self-sabotaging decision as 5v5 was,_ at least I can assume that they (somehow?) actually believe what they’re saying to be true and aren’t just lying to save face with the community.
@@suffishes1454spilo said that 6v6 is more convenient and a lot easier to balance in his stream with samito. He just says he knows they won’t go back to it and he wants to try to fix 5v5 as much as he can
@@abdx8752 which is not only based on a false premise (Spilo mentioned them going back on “Experimental” modes in Overwatch 2), but the _overall_ assumption that “5v5 is fixable with better design in Overwatch” has been proven time and time again to be inherently false, with mutiple core changes to gameplay and several new heroes & gamemodes over two years; Constant change with new content would be the norm in 5v5 or 6v6, yet only one distinctly forces bad character design, lazy “balance” changes, and constant tweaking of the core mechanics of Overwatch itself, only for the game loop to be _functional at best._
We love you Abby! Your Microsoft vid was both heartbreaking but also 100% what a lot of us are feeling right now. God is it so frustrating to see where OW is treated by the gaming scene currently, considering where it could have and very arguably should have been.
@@alanwiseman3235Kajor gets in his feelings like a woman though (not being sexier or anything!). He just gets very emotional when there’s push back and it doesn’t feel like he’s your average dude.
Freedo should go back to being depressed on his own, and stop using his obvious illness as an excuse to belittle the people that fund his livelihood with condescending behavior.
I just started queueing DPS. It's fun to learn new heroes and especially since every game doesn't feel like I'm in an active warzone desperately trying to hold on for dear life.
@@toons4934 I love when Spilo is on, man, he brings so much to the discussion with extremely well thought out points and solutions for characters...his whole youtube channel is the same way. Absolutely love the guy. ALWAYS great to see him on and him and Samito are so great together, too, I agree!
@@ecclecticsayonce5131 ^ | | This dude is average hitscan player that starts to complain if he'll die from anything that isn't point-and-click adventure hero like widow or ashe.
What slander? They just spat facts. He is a horribily designed hero at base and is unfun when he is good or bad. Overwatch is not fun when junkrat is played. Overwatch is about postioning team fights, cool down mangament. No brainless spam with no skill slpash damage and unavoidable mine damage. He is clunky, slow, no dyanimcs, or interesting abilites. Trap is one of the wrost abilites I've ever seen in a game. He basically has one ability. This is not a binary world. We can hate junkrat and widow at the same time both heros are horibble.
To me, the worst part about DPS is playing against supports that effortlessly erase your value. rez, life weaver pull, suzu, lamp, burst healing. Super frustrating
@@sakitoshi It shouldn't reverse it, it should mitigate it (that's not going to mention the invulns on 3 of the abilities mentioned), that's the issue. Mitigation abilities like Defense Matrix should "reverse damage" so to speak.
But you know its tanks have the ability to mitigate damage, they have that ability to reduce that damage intake with either shields or self-healing or maybe their own form of DR. Supports heal away that damage taken.
I'm just glad tank players are slowing down. I love tank, its my second favorite role and I've questioned maining it over and over in the lifetime of this game. But blizzard needs to see the role is not okay (in this format imo but who could say why for sure)
@@kayanonosame here, Tank is fun, the game is fun Always remember that happy people have less of a need to express their happiness online. They'd rather spend their time having fun by playing the game itself, you know
@@KingOfNebbishes my parents belittle me, don't need kids on the Internet doing the same 😁, and if you aren't communicating in comp I'm shitting on somebody else's experience ya know?
@@cheeseblast There's pings. There's nothing a competitive player who isn't directly being paid by you to coach needs to say to you in a game that they can't ping.
because of her specific playstyle which is hide and hit headshots. for her OW1 is basically Kovaaks. ZZzzzzz. No one wants Widow getting 5ks. Delete snipers tbh.
@@DragneelXx tell me how. with hero damage fall off nerf in OW2 and the amount of sustain, burst healing, larger health pools etc. Widow is not better in OW2. The only time Widow is good is in your silver games where your team are bunny hopping around in the open shouting SHOOT ME WIDOW!, PICK ME!
@@retrorevival1 widow can one shot everyone in the game now and before the health changes the only person she can’t one shot is tanks and she couldn’t do that in ow1 either tell me ur plat without telling me ur plat widow has always good in higher ranks then lower ranks because people have bad aim the higher u go the better widow is because they can actually hit heads and because now there’s one less tank to block the widow/dive it means she had less pressure on her all game they literally nerfed widows effective rage for the one shot because of how dominant she was in higher ranks and now because of the higher health pools she has to charge a little more but barely the only time widow isn’t good is when dive is meta plz shut ur mouth if u don’t know what ur talking about cuz it just makes u look stupid there’s no way u honestly think widow is better in silver than masters+ u mean the rank where Ana’s struggle to hit a tank stand 2ft in front of them the rank where people it 1/3 of there shots because the can’t aim and u think widow a character who’s only useful if u hit headshots is better in a rank where people can’t hit shots then in ranks where people can???? Yea ok buddy
about phara. i've been commenting for some time that she is overtuned, her fire rate and projectile speed specifically. they have increased her fire rate and projectile speed 2 times already, there is little to no pause to aim and shoot at her to take her down, you are guaranteed to take a rocket.
@@driftingbout297 i just had a game on phara and didn't die the whole time, even could barrage uninterrupted. i'm not a phara player. i usually play support. now tell me that phara isn't overtuned when someone that doesn't play phara can dominate.
The smoothbrain takes on Sym from everyone except Spilo... sigh. "She's weak and hard to use but I hate her so keep her bad" and they go on to like defend Widow later on, an *actual* problematic hero. BFFR
I mean, don't blame them for having that sentiment against Sym. OTPs are the bane of a lot of people. Sym herself can be quiet annoying as well even if she's objectively garbage. Either way, they should've tried to come up with something to make her better and healthier instead of just bashing her.
I mean, they're giving Cass his fucking flashbang back, so fuck it, pull the goddamn trigger, make it 6v6 again. It won't fix the problem and queue times will tank even harder, but its the only solution, I guess. Back to a 500 HP, paper thin Rein, I guess.
I’m just going to say it: Freedo should try to find another near-death experience to boost his confidence, like he mentioned in his 6v6 video. I really dislike how he weaponized his personal issues at the end of that one, especially after being so condescending every other time he was on camera. I have zero respect for that behavior from him.
Samito would do pretty well at balancing many of the heroes. Deku and Jay either don't bring a lot of ideas or are a bit biased. I guess Jay is aware of it and laughed about it while not being full of himself (hi Freedo) so that's alright, he seems like a good guy. But Spilo is for sure the one with the better takes on hero design and balance.
Absolutely cooking on the Sojourn talk, 100% agree Edit: i'd love if they swapped bap's and soldier's healing abilities, it just makes more sense to me. (Old bap regen, before the baseline 50 and double on critical health)
I don't think that the length of playtime has a huge effect. I've only been playing since the beginning of Overwatch 2 and I have felt frustrated or bored with the game since season 8, playing consistently less and less over time. I never played 6v6, but I really do believe that it is the only solution to the fundamental problems of Overwatch 2. I really hope they add it as an arcade mode or a QP hacked.
Before even watching this I have to say after 8 years as tank main, into tank and support flex, to then doing hours and hours of DPS QP to really hone in, I now am a DPS main. I win 80% of my comp matches in metal ranks and really feel like I’m the deciding factor the majority of the time. And I say that to speak to the role of DPS deciding the match, I really felt powerless as tank. And support was too reliant on others. DPS is simple. They die and you win. I love it.
Something they missed on hanzo and genji is wallclimb. This ability is still so buggy and inconsistent on every map. We need to be able to climb up an awning or a slightly round cosmetic object next to the wall. Shit pisses me off and kills me often
When they were talking about the removal of one-shot abilities, I believe this is a response to several seasons ago where the devs realises the game was really roll or get rolled. The overall health buffs, and the passive healing were meant to help make team fights last longer, and harder to stagger low health stragglers. At the time when the game was either roll or get rolled everyout said that the match maker was broken but the devs said they had stats to show that even when the MMR rating of both teams was minimal or non-existant they were sitll seering this dramatic steamroll situations. So several seasons later, here we are with larger hit boxes, more health, and healing passives.
Funny how DPS and Tank have a similar mindset of generalist role passives are too "feast or famine" and were at a point that for the sake of keeping the game fresh, 6v6 at least happens for a game mode to test the balance and feedback. A note to Blizzard being a dull ult, could use her Avalanche ult from HotS; ball goes out grabbing heroes in its path, on breaking (max distance or terrain) it deals damage and stun (in OW probably either slow or hinder) with the duration based on the number of heroes it grabbed. Wait hold on they might have realized this problem with the Quickplay Hacked event coming in season 11
Honestly they should just make damage boost have a hard cap at a certain point so it's helpful but not overpowering. Also, perhaps adjust sonar arrow so it gives Hanzo additional headshot damage on revealed enemies? Would keep his one shot and make it more intended rather than spamming a choke and getting a pick. Enemies would also be able to expect it more rather than turning a corner and dying. Obviously would require tweaks such as Sonar effect time and cooldown, but just a thought to maintain the best of both sides.
Just throwing my idea out there but what if Hanzo had three arrows he could shoot. A heavy metal arrow that could one shot squishy characters, the storm arrows, and a lightweight wooden arrows that would work like Io from Paladins. Fast and quick but would do less damage so that you could do more consistent damage at the cost of not being able to instakill.
Hanzo should have flaming arrows that apply the burn debuff for 15dmg over 2 seconds or something so that way if you headshot someone and there’s not an immediate reaction from supports - you still get your “one shot”
This would work in CoD. Not in a game like Overwatch where there’s tanks and healers. Damage over time still won’t kill most targets you headshot. It only guarantees luck shots instead of hard to hit shots on people paying attention. I still will give props because this gives the assassin playstyle still possible
There is definitely a need for some one tricks in one of the podcasts, a lot of discussions about genji and doom here is basically "well, I don't play him that much, but he is ..." Some specific discussion about certain popular characters, because there is surely more to say other than their place in the meta
@@ecclecticsayonce5131 anytime she gets asked to elaborate on anything she hits you with an "idk" lol she really doesn't bring anything to these conversations
Overwatch at the moment feels like if you cut yourself shaving, complain to a friend about it so he takes your razor and gives you a blunt one instead... Yeah you won't cut yourself, but you're not going to get a great shave compared to taking the time to learn how to use a razor properly.
The fact that everyone but Spilo just wants Symmetra to suffer really undermines their own credibility and just shows their own bias in a hero based game where bias only serves to hold the game back. These people and their opinions should not be held up on a pedestal and as an end all be all. None of these people even play her and echo the communities sentiments about Symmetra that they perpetuate. No character should ever be niche. Why even have the character at all and have her be selectable on any map? It's just batshit insane that they can't look past their own opinions or feelings and have an objective perspective. The fact she's in her terrible state is because of content creators like these always spouting their hatred for her and then they rip on her more for being bad? The lack of self awareness and their own contributions to Symmetras treatment by the studio and the community is mind blowing to me. They don't like a character and want her to be bad for no other reason than that. In any other setting, this would be unacceptable. 🤢
It’s cause she isn’t really worth to effort to rework properly just for her to be Junkrat 3.0 spamming the orbs down a choke even if the hitbox was much smaller.
Yeah imagine in physical sports someone says, oh these kind of players/races should stay niche and never get any resources to compete, their career could be completely over and cancelled. The fact that it is not treated as such in gaming is baffling. If you want the industry to become really Professional, you should uphold the same values and methodologies as other industry.
I think Sam was spot on when he said Pharah is one of the best tank shredders for projectile heroes. I've always like playing Pharah and the times I've tried her in ranked recently, you can get so much value by just shutting down the tank entirely or disrupting their supports with the conc shot. If they're Winston, your regular shots destroy him whenever he moves out of position or loses bubble (which you can shred his bubble with combos or ult), and he basically doesn't get to play. You don't have to really peak anyone else other than occasionally firing at their backline so they scurry like ants and grind the tank's resources. For squishies it's just like he said, you can toss them around while doing really good damage and usually it leads to a kill. All three roles are a target for Pharah somehow, and she has the flight mobility of a hummingbird plus the now increased health pool (making it a bit harder for all hit scans to get a finishing blow on her). Maybe she's just a little overtuned and needs a slight tweak somewhere.
It's not fun to play support. It feels more like Tank than ever where you have two choices, but they both suck -- do damage or keeping your teammates alive. If you choose damage it's very character dependent and TTK usually isn't enough to keep yourself alive. If you choose to heal, it's never enough and almost pointless. The DPS passive just trashed what made support really enjoyable -- saving your team. Every role feels bad though, because they finally got 5v5 pretty much perfect where every role feels like they do nothing while doing something. I think all of this would be better if we had another tank to spread out the damage, healing, blame, etc.
Hearing deku talk about the giga buffed tank resonated 1000% with me. Especially roadhog feeling like the kiriko of tanks with his breather. Its not fun to watch a tank walk so far out of position and not get punished because of the egregious amount of health and armor they have. The more and more i play the more i dislike that aspect of 5v5
Bobby K. was scum. I bet that blizzard has a crazy NDA that forced everyone into silence. A NDA that makes fake smiles. A NDA that means when mistakes are made we go full steam ahead. I think that NDA is ruining this game. Developers that can't talk to their community openly about their game should simply not be sustainable. The legal blockades stopping team 4 from talking about 6v6 and their game is what is making people give up on Overwatch.
6v6 people are so delusional they think NDAs are preventing devs from talking about 6v6 when they don't even consider it because they don't fucking care. 6v6 is your new flavor of the month because you've ran out of other things to bitch about. No tangible amount of people are leaving the game over 5v5.
Hanzo idea: Give him 2+ charges on sonic arrow, and make sonic arrows do slightly more damage, so that they can headshot. This means you have to actively choose when to take the shot, helping in duels, and means he can't spam down corridors. This also gives more utility and choices of when should he be helping team with sonar verses saving it offensively
This is shit because it relies on the shittiest part of his kit and will make him simply worse than other DPS. Trying to avoid the one shot and making him fun is like trying to save someone’s life but ignoring the sword stabbed directly in their heart
It’s wild to me that the tank players on the other debate are saying how depressing it is to play because tanks get shit on and now we have these dps players saying the game is boring and tanks are oppressive ?!?????!!! Whaaaaat ?!!
Because overbuffing tanks and making them a literal raid bosses doesn't make their gameplay loop more interesting and nuanced. Hog can have 80% damage reduction from vap and he will still be horrible to play, but even more frustrating to play against or doomfist block will be able to block 90% of damage and any type of CC like counterpunch or rock, but being focused and unable to do something in solo will make him miserable to play. Add constant flaming from your teammates and counterwatch unrelenting problem and you will get the most unenjoyable role to play, no matter how much you will buff everyone from this role
I’d love to see a change to Hanzo where after he gets a kill, he gets a damage buff to primary fire for a duration and has the capability to one shot headshot during that time. Other ideas I’ve had are having a “perfect shot” mechanic where you release right as you fully draw the arrow and it’ll be have one shot damage, or making the sonar arrow have increased damage so that the one shot is on a cooldown.
Wow....I never thought I'd see the day where in this podcast that the speakers can admit that Genji hasn't been doing well. I will say it for the millionth time "People are scared to buff Genji because of Nano blade, maybe we should nerf nano Damage boost on ults so people stop using Nano blade as an excuse to keep the rest of the character bad".
I think venture ult is a bit wonky. The ult lasts too long imo. I think the ult should do 150 per charge and have 3 charges. This would nerf the overall damage but the burst potential is better.
Just as a quick set of ideas: Mei - Look, can we just turn her into a tank already? We've seen this playtested and it seems to work well (some numbers might need to be tweaked but whatever. If not though, make her freeze create ice under her feet so she can make like ramps up to high ground and stuff that break shortly after she passes or something Symmetra - Honestly I think they should try her back as a support with shield gen for ult again. One of the reasons they had to move her out of support roster in OW2 is with two tanks a support that didn't heal or healed very little wasn't usable, but with one tank and if you rework her turrets a bit I think it's doable (look at Illari). Tele stays the same, give her her two tap back but instead of having the ball expand as you charge it up it should start big and then decrease so the two tap is a skill shot. Hanzo - Honestly, add a stamina mechanic to the bow draw. It's a mechanic we don't have in OW so it would add variety and makes sense for how a bow would function. You go to max draw and once you hit max draw you have a limited amount of time before you have to either release or shoot. It rewards timing and I think could really play into the hanzo minigame. Also remove storm arrow which was always stupid, replace it with something more usable at close range like a quick draw arrow at decreased damage that applies a small "shock" effect that builds with each successful shot it to increase damage and shorts out deployables. Also could be applied to his dragon where it acts mostly the same way it does now except add the "shock" and it shorts out all deployables it passes through (without destroying - which is important because the perma-deployed ones would have to be broken and recast to be usable) Junkrat - I would say, lean the grenades more towards close range and away from long range so he's not effective at spamming but if you're stupid enough to go close range against him he's really lethal. I think flank rat style is really fun and where it's at - we have a widowmaker problem but if junkrat can move more effectively and flank better I think have a fun matchup. I don't like bear trap but I think maybe it could be reworked into a deployable silencer so within that cone either just junkrats footsteps or maybe all noise itself is dampened - you can still physically see junkrat, but it would let him flank more effectively Torjorn - He's the toughest one to me. I honestly think he's pretty good in his current iteration but he's also kind of an outdated concept. Maybe bring back his ability to stick his turret on any surface? It would add some neat dimensions, and then as Spilo said maybe he can choose the type of turret it is (i.e. one that locks and highlights targets in a radius including ones in stealth, one that does raw damage etc. Widowmaker - Decrease mobility (grapple is interruptable) but also decrease her footsteps and make her move a bit faster so she can still effectively reposition.
phara flies, 2 shots, makes barely any noise, and easy character like mercy makes her even better = a little over-tuned junkrat fills a guerilla warfare niche = delete or rework this hivemind sucks
Pharah no longer 2-shots anymore without conc, which i think is good. Pharmacy suck though and moth should be hardly nerfed, since it's much easier to utilise blue beam correctly unlike discord which atleast requires you to keep eye contact with the enemy and "don't miss lol"
I am a Flex DPS player and i hate when Pharah is good because she makes 90% of other flex DPS heroes (besides Echo) unplayable. Imagine coming home from school or hard day at work and you want to play some Genji but the enemy just goes rage-Pharah after 1 teamfight. Pharah should never be good
The issue with pharaoh imo is that she actually doesn’t even need the mercy anymore to be really really strong. She’s still playing in the air 80% of the time but at a range that she can be reasonably healed by basically any support, and if she’s in trouble, just dash behind cover, wait for passive heals or support heals and then just back at it with her increase rocket speed and super high dmg.
The League comparison was fucking great. That game is played in highschool tournaments. There hasn’t been a game like it since. It’s revolutionary and timeless
Sym having 180 dps is fine, id say it should even be 195 or higher. 180 dps isnt even that big of a threat anymore with increased health pools, Zarya also has more damage.
So cooking for hanzo, my take for fixing him is similar to spilo's junk idea, give his fully charge shots bounce like storm arrow, change storm arrow to shoot only 2 arrows at the same time but they are aimed in 2 directions and you can change vertical or horizontal similar to mie's wall before you place it and they bounce 4-6 times
sad, i really wanted to hear what the "experts" would do to junk to make him viable and all i heard was whinning when he is prolly the worst hero in the roster and more whinning bout sym being played in the few maps WHERE SHE IS VIABLE if i wanted to see ppl talk bout the heroes they like and shit on the ones they dont like i would go to the forums worst great debate ever
How in god's name do you fix the fact that tank is, at every level considered WAY too strong, and NOBODY picks it? That is fundamentally so so so so so bad from a game design standpoint. People won't even play the strongest, broken thing... Dire.
It’s so funny that his “stat” is mathematically fucked too, like it’s based on role pickrate not queue rate. So in 5v5 role queue it’s always going to be a 20/40/40 role pickrate, he’d have a point if it was 5v5 open queue, where it’s meaningful to analyze role pickrates because they’re not fixed. + Overbuff is kinda floored right now, they don’t even have stats for Venture lmao
@@why8642 We can only take what the Devs say and put Overbuff relative to their stats, obviously there will be mistakes but if they say its a pretty comparison i believe them I also think it actually is role Queue rate because something else wouldnt make sense and going down to only 12% of Competitive players Qing tank sounds very reasonable to me There would be no reason to have Pickrate because like you said it would always be 20/40/40 so it must be how many actually Q that role and get into a game
@@heiko2255 Dw I’ll cook up a reply to your other reply in the other thread later because this one takes the least amount of time to debunk and I’m busy with homework. You don’t understand, it doesn’t matter what you “think” it might be or how “reasonable” a % sounds. The statistic is clear in what it means, its role pickrate not queue rate. The main format is a fixed 20/40/40 pickrate because you can only have a 20/40/40 game being made in role queue. Overbuff is missing stats as far back as Venture’s release and if you sort that stat with the same parameters as Samito did but specify for Masters or GMs instead of all, then tank has a 22% pickrate. If we apply the same logic Tank is in a fine place right? No, because the data is bananas and shouldn’t be invoked. Overbuff is good for looking at broad win rates, not queue rates so don’t double down on misinformation to defend your position. Look up “Samito needs to go back to stats class” by KMK on RU-vid, it goes over the stats. He even replied to a comment from Samito going further in depth.
Tank population has cut in half! Can’t wait for the next wave of tank buffs to come through! Maybe road hog can’t leverage his 800hp health pool, his heal / dmg resistance and 25% head shot mit…. Plus one shot combo? Maybe give him 900hp? More heal? 40% crit mit? and a one shot that doesn’t require pig pen? Then the tank population will be greater than 12% of total population and closer to 33% or just have two well balanced tanks. Idk what’s more sensible?
Watching people argue to bring Hanzo's one shot back perfectly explains why this game feels impossible to balance. No one but hanzo players enjoyed RNG one shots for literal years but now he sucks so we got to buff him back to the same shit no one liked
I’m sorry but deku does not provide much to these conversation. “Oh I don’t play x character, so I don’t know”….”This character is mid”….”this character is strong”. We’re meant to value your opinion because you are a great player, so give an opinion FFS!
It's crazy really because i noticed that about a third into the video, they get to reaper and she just goes "I think he's mid" again like damn why u here?
When close combat against a widow, instead of her sniper rifle turning into a SMG, make it when an enemy gets close to her, she switches to a personal weapon like a pistol?
@@tyrantla7120 did i talk to you before? zen can be picked for dps slot or healer, brig tank/healer etc...... but no..... 7v7 no hero limits,,,,,,,, roles are a spectrum and some heroes lie on the ends
Kinda crazy we're trying to say a stun that stopped you from doing ANYTHING at all was better than a grenade that limits some Heroes more than others but provides the ability for anyone to fight back. I'm commenting this post-Flashbang addition. It feels much healthier and limits people where it should. The only problem I could see is the 45 damage it puts out. Mag-Nade killing and tracking was too unhealthy, and since they half-reverted back to what Flashbang was, I think we're going in a good direction. But we are seriously huffing copium saying that OW1 Flashbang was better than Mag-Nade.
one thing people always forget about pharmacy is that it requires not too much skill to COMPLETELY take over a low skilll lobby. A hitscan needs more skill to counter a pharah and in low elo you just don't have the aim for it.
My idea for fixing Widowmaker: Make her scoped headshots do fast DoT simmilar to Anas shots. It would fit with her poison identity and Supports could interact with the oneshot.
Ow is still fun in short play sessions. Gets cheesy fast and then it's time to find something else to do. Definitely not a game that helps your calm or sanity though.
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