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"The Great Famine" Part Two: Poverty and Land Ownership in Ireland 

Jonathan Senigaglia
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This lecture discusses the terrible hardships Irish tenants faced in the years leading up to the Great Potato Famine (1845-1850), and how the oppressive system of land ownership helped create the famine. Also mentioned: the Devon Commission, absentee landlords, subsistence agriculture, land stewards (land sharks), rent inflation, 1801 Act of Union, peasant debt, eviction, John Stewart Mill, Benjamin Disraeli, industrial problems, high unemployment, high population growth, poor healthcare, infant mortality rate, benefits of the potato, problems with the potato, seasonal starvation, potato diseases, lack of regulation, and policies of British Parliament leading up to the famine.

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@lesoconnor5445
@lesoconnor5445 8 лет назад
The lanlords actually taxed daylight the larger the windows in your house the more rent you paid absolute madness
@pol2822
@pol2822 4 года назад
Technically it was the British government that taxed the daylight but the landlords wanted plenty of daylight themselves (some big houses have as many as a hundred windows) and so they increased the rent on the poor who had windows to pay the tax on their own windows.
@allisonalexander2269
@allisonalexander2269 4 года назад
And in Britain in the past
@brianbreen1026
@brianbreen1026 4 года назад
Hence the term,daylight robbery.
@bernicewade9796
@bernicewade9796 4 года назад
The Great Genocide is what the title of this film title should be. There was never a famine in Ireland.
@bernicecox5208
@bernicecox5208 4 года назад
Shame on those cruel, greedy absent landlords...so much injustice !
@nthperson
@nthperson 2 года назад
Landlordism never ended; it simply changed in form as the commons was enclosed and land became a commodity to be bought and sold.
@christopherrainbow6923
@christopherrainbow6923 9 лет назад
As others have said this obsession with trying to pass this off as a crop failure and 'famine' does not wash. Every Irish family has stories passed down about this period of history and we know that food was exported out of Ireland. People were left to starve in a purposeful manner in an act of malicious genocide.
@irishchap226
@irishchap226 9 лет назад
Christopher Rainbow So true, so called economics, 'Bankers' 'English', It is the same feckers under different guises, 'Cult' systems and people at play. It should be called 'The Irish genocide' . The survivers and hidden cult followers were moved around like a deck of cards. Trouble is it is they that reap now, while the true Irish and humanity suffer yet again. History rewritten, we have to teach our own history. Uachatran Na hEireinn-'The profits are weeping' What sick fecker is he. Other countries be aware.
@patrickfarrell1491
@patrickfarrell1491 6 лет назад
Exactly. It was systematic.
@DebbieC96
@DebbieC96 5 лет назад
Thank you for the information!!
@maryhjort7318
@maryhjort7318 3 года назад
Christopher Rainbow Recently Queen Elizabeth apologized to the Irish for what had been done to them.
@dannymeyer3256
@dannymeyer3256 3 года назад
@@maryhjort7318 How about reparations? Apology rings hollow without them.
@whiskyo
@whiskyo 4 года назад
You’re missing very important facts here. Prior to the famine the English placed numerous laws to oppress the Irish; they squashed all Irish industries and sources of income. They were not allowed to export wool, linen, animals, animal meats or diary, metals, etc. If they were allowed, it was only to England and England demanded 30% taxes which killed the opportunity.
@joprocter4573
@joprocter4573 Год назад
You forget famine. And hardship was not sole ownership of Irish catholics it was all UK and Europe although Ireland like so many poor countries suffered most. Where were the churches that pumped that hatred of UK where was that money n gold. Best if ppl read books from Scotland and Germany of that period to see they hungared also but tradionally 2-3 kids not large families couldn't feed or liguor on way home after earnings. Hopelessness is not pleasant but adding to is is responsibility
@msully
@msully 4 года назад
This is an excellent presentation - should be mandatory on the Education Curriculum in England. Well done !
@faysweeney6457
@faysweeney6457 3 года назад
Also include this hidden Irish history in the US schools. Need to include this genicide to the world wide slavery issue in schools.
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
and Scotland.
@daveat191
@daveat191 5 лет назад
The Irish peasants grew plenty of food for the landlord but was allowed only a small plot for himself. They grew one type of potato and when that type was blighted there was no fall back. They just did not know. For every famine relief ship arriving from other contries, six ships of Irish grown food left for England.. There was food in Ireland but the peasants could not afford it.
@brianbreen1026
@brianbreen1026 4 года назад
The Irish don't refer to that nightmare as famine,they call it".An Gorta mor,"The hunger great.The British have a nerve pointing fingers at the Germans.Irish history should be compulsory in Ireland and England.Not blaming ordinary English people for their Governments inhuman actions.
@whiskyo
@whiskyo 4 года назад
Under British rule, the Irish were not allowed to grow other crops.
@WilliamH490
@WilliamH490 3 года назад
True
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
@Sean Noone feckin disgusting.
@carolinewhite3435
@carolinewhite3435 4 года назад
Not a famine a genocide 🇮🇪☘
@DM-it1qf
@DM-it1qf 4 года назад
This is why my ancestors were able to leave for Australia. I’d love to visit Ireland one day (post-COVID obviously). I know it sounds odd as over a century and a half have passed since the majority of my ancestors first came to Australia (not so much as came as invaded through a different strain of colonialism, I know) but I do feel a sense of kinship with Ireland and likely always will.
@dawnpalmby5100
@dawnpalmby5100 3 года назад
Same here just in canada instead
@petermckiernan5822
@petermckiernan5822 3 года назад
Don't forget that many moved to England too, just saying.
@dannymeyer3256
@dannymeyer3256 3 года назад
@@petermckiernan5822 And U.S.
@petermckiernan5822
@petermckiernan5822 3 года назад
@@dannymeyer3256 yeah, some of mine are in Boston and Connecticut.
@marryan2872
@marryan2872 3 года назад
@@petermckiernan5822 england has more irish than australia Canada and nea zealand combined. London has practically the highest irish community outside ireland. Birmingham as well. I am from manchester. Its generation irish. But boston is where most of my relatives went. The number of irish in New York and Boston would make your eyes water. 🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮
@jsenigag
@jsenigag 11 лет назад
Yes I will, but I have to create it first. But thanks for watching! I'll be working on the third one this month.
@Tboy439
@Tboy439 2 года назад
The Irish potato famine was a planned event in order to get as many Catholics to America for the upcoming invasion or Civil War. The Pope of Rome was completely on the side of the slave owning south. The truth would make you sick, but your not there yet.
@thelabadabada
@thelabadabada 10 лет назад
Fantastic presentation !
@jsenigag
@jsenigag 10 лет назад
Thanks, I appreciate that!
@dannymeyer3256
@dannymeyer3256 3 года назад
@Mark Tierney New book being released by Robert Fogarty “Perfect Holocaust “ interview with author on Robert Steele RU-vid channel.
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
@Mark Tierney what can we do in a peaceful manner to give northern Ireland back to ireland. I am sickened by all this information. but bombing and killing innocent people is not the answer.!🤔😑
@JohnMcCarthy100
@JohnMcCarthy100 10 лет назад
How many millions died in Europe from this 'famine'. And what about the fact that food exports increased out of Ireland in the years during this 'famine' - and as American food relief was being shipped in - Irish crops were being shipped out. This political action/inaction was clearly blatant political-religious based genocide. In Germany that more direct action was referred to as a Holocaust. The term 'famine' makes it so much more acceptable, like simple 'bad luck' and no one accountable. Given the choice I think I might prefer being gassed over watching myself and my family starve to death!
@irishchap226
@irishchap226 9 лет назад
***** Just genocide by the same slave drivers, Did that Holocaust happen the way you think? History rewritten by the victors? Forgive my inapt pun Food for taught. Look who owns the banks and chemical companies and media, Yet it is they who look play the sympathy card, I bought it, Question everything John, and then requestion it with the time and gains achieved. Who owns Ireland now?
@Balor1
@Balor1 4 года назад
Ireland was overpopulated. Famine relief could have been better managed, yes, but immigration was inevitable.
@conlaiarla
@conlaiarla 4 года назад
@@Balor1 What of the million + dead of huger and disease ? You appear to have overlooked that . Perhaps you ought to remedy the omission.
@bridlong7763
@bridlong7763 3 года назад
Ireland isn't and wasn't over populated. Come now and see half the country completely empty with a population of approx 4 million. Empty houses are laying derelict yet people are homeless, empty towns, empty countryside. No other country puts the bulk of its resources into one city like we are doing with Dublin City. Why is this happening while the rest of the country lays empty devoid of industry & opportunity? Galway City! Limerick City! Cork City! Waterford City! Dublin City grinds to a halt with congestion! That's a pretty good question...who owns Ireland now?
@musenenlightened1984
@musenenlightened1984 3 года назад
@@Balor1 sounds like the excuse from a oppressor.
@awadalshehri8308
@awadalshehri8308 7 лет назад
Othmani Sultan helped Irish people. I was shocked that it hasn't mentioned! I think history need to be revised.
@padraigbennett1338
@padraigbennett1338 6 лет назад
Awad ALSHEHRI tt
@padraigbennett1338
@padraigbennett1338 6 лет назад
Tell memore
@jerrymyphone5849
@jerrymyphone5849 2 года назад
Apparently the amount he was allowed to donate was limited as queen Victoria had donated a certain amount and the British government wouldn't allow individuals to give more as it would be considered an insult to her!
@pol2822
@pol2822 4 года назад
I often wondered how the poor got their clothes in those days when when couldn`t afford to eat. Obviously, most of the garments are cast offs from the upper classes but how did the poor get them? I assumed the maids and servants working in the big houses were given them by their employers and this turned out to be correct. The origin of the name Boxing day goes back to those times when the rich (flush with new stuff after Christmas) would box up unwanted old stuff for the poor, i.e. their servants who would then get the day off to return to their families with the boxes of old clothes.
@george61k
@george61k 11 лет назад
That was a great presentation. When will part 3 be finished. My repect to the Irish people. Many are coming to Australia. They will do well here.
@psalmanthamonroe7298
@psalmanthamonroe7298 3 года назад
Hopefully we're not put into an internment camp, like we were before and like others are now.
@whoodatt3046
@whoodatt3046 3 года назад
In america we had slavery as the greatest shame of the country. Funny how the brits like to point it out that we had slavery and stuff but they had slavery too in the irish for more than 500 years and still to this day. So anything thr ira ever did can be justidied to an extent
@daveat191
@daveat191 5 лет назад
The Irish say, "God created the blight, the English created the famine".
@nthperson
@nthperson 3 года назад
A great book on the issues is "The Reason Why" by historian Cecil Woodham-Smith.
@nthperson
@nthperson 2 года назад
@Glenn Krenz No. Woodham-Smith explains quite clearly that landlordism (and the particularly oppressive form it took in Ireland) caused the great famine and the great (almost continuous) out-migration of people from Ireland.
@mauraroma4125
@mauraroma4125 9 лет назад
Hello Jonathan, many thanks for this splendid series of lectures. Best Wishes to you.
@irishchap226
@irishchap226 9 лет назад
Maura Mia Only believe half of what you read, 'An Gorta More' was the planned genocide of the Irish people by the slave drivers that ruined humanity through out our history, I suppose you have to start somewhere, keep on digging, If I could suggest the Talmud or the protocals of the learned elders of zion, Or perhaps you like this fiction history?
@mango2005
@mango2005 4 года назад
Even today Ireland is a breadbasket. We export £11 billion/€12.2 billion of agriculture as of 2016. NI interestingly only produces £2.2 bn of agriculture, to £1.6 bn consumption. If there was a food shortage in Ireland nowadays, it would be more likely to happen in NI, particularly as the UK is not self sufficient.
@joanhuffman2166
@joanhuffman2166 Год назад
While Europeans in the 19th century did not know how to make potatoes last all year, the Indians of the Andes knew how to make them last for years. The Indians hauled a portion of their potatoe crop up the mountains and would alternately freeze and dry them. They are called chuño if you are curious.
@antoniafaheerty6980
@antoniafaheerty6980 5 лет назад
Its a miracle Ireland survived at all.
@blackswan4486
@blackswan4486 5 лет назад
Luck of the irish...
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
@@blackswan4486 it needed it.!! xx
@johanna2059
@johanna2059 4 года назад
Is anyone from the British royal family ever going to apologise for this genocide by their ancestors?
@royty2353
@royty2353 3 года назад
Why should they? None of them around during those times.
@conlaiarla
@conlaiarla 4 года назад
Conquered but never beaten . There's a big difference.
@m.o.m.basiclifeskills2986
@m.o.m.basiclifeskills2986 5 лет назад
Wait... what. .... still happening today. Slumlords are Slumlords -
@fauxmanchu8094
@fauxmanchu8094 5 лет назад
Many landlords went bankrupt because their tenants couldn't pay their rents. Ireland was overpopulated before the great hunger and plots rented by the cottiers were subdivided again and again to give their children their own plot of subsistence. Plots became smaller and smaller as families grew bigger. The landlords couldn't pay their mortgages so they evicted their tenants in order to modernise farming and make the land pay and be productive. Many landlords supported their starving tenants and were wiped out during the great famine. Loss of rent, unproductive lands, helping their tenants and paying for their tenants to immigrate finished some of them. (Source: The Great Hunger, Emigrants and Exiles by Kirby Miller).
@mango2005
@mango2005 5 лет назад
The Earl of Lucan was known as "The Exterminator" for his treatment of starving tenants on his estates. www.victorianweb.org/history/famine2.html
@conlaiarla
@conlaiarla 4 года назад
That only happened in limited cases ie the landlords helping their tenants. In most cases the landlords had neither sympathy or knowledge of their tenants. As far as they were concerned, they were subhuman.
@eddien09
@eddien09 11 лет назад
Enjoyed that....looking forward to part 3
@1Fertig1
@1Fertig1 11 лет назад
This is awesome! Very informative, cant wait for the next episode!
@hrhrhrhrhr2503
@hrhrhrhrhr2503 5 лет назад
LOOK AT ENGLAND TODAY WITH BREXIT WHAT GOES ROUND COMES ROUND, KARMA GOD IS SLOW BUT SURE,
@tinaoneill1234
@tinaoneill1234 2 года назад
@@stuartkelly3106 I can understand your thinking but sadly it would be the innocent poor English ordinary everyday people that never Irish people any harm who would suffer and will suffer I'm Irish and could not wish bad on them people they like us weren't even born in famine times
@tech9auto223
@tech9auto223 Год назад
This is why every generation rebellion stirs within the Irish and who can blame them knowing the history
@henrysevern
@henrysevern 3 года назад
Very good situation well explained.
@dig1ify
@dig1ify 5 лет назад
irish holacost
@shizam1400
@shizam1400 2 года назад
They are my ancestors . Proud and amazed any of them survived. England , like many nations, has a lot to answer for! Wish we could all live in peace now in the 21st century. But that seems to be a very big wish...😔
@yasashii89
@yasashii89 2 года назад
The people who have a lot to answer for are all dead now.
@critiqueofcode
@critiqueofcode 3 года назад
Land sharks were the middle managers back in the day in Ireland.
@coolfix948
@coolfix948 2 года назад
I'm from Karnataka , south India , I can't relate to Irish people from any POV. But still one interesting thing about how crops cultivation influence culture and civilization is sometimes fascinating to me. In south India "rice" has always been major staple food crop along with other grains like jola and ragi. Cultivating rice is complex compared to any other crop or food grain. And rice ages really well with years, it doesn't get spoiled so easily. Moreover south India always has been "variety" crop part of the Indian subcontinent. Even in my state of Karnataka , food surprisingly changes from district to district. Even during the British time in India , southern India didn't have landlord system unlike in the north and north eastern part of India. South Indian princely states did keep the British away from interfering in peopled daily life. Unlike in bengal where farmers cultivated only rice and when it was taken away from them they also starved to death. Variety of food and commercial crops do save a country from total collapse. Vareity is good.
@nthperson
@nthperson 2 года назад
India ongoing problems with poverty could be addressed by changing how government raises its revenue. The most efficient and equity source of public revenue is the economic rent associated with controlling land (whether agricultural, mineral or urban) and natural assets with an inelastic supply. In the past there was some interest in moving in this direction in India but landed interests proved to be too powerful.
@user-xg5pn9gq8y
@user-xg5pn9gq8y 8 месяцев назад
Great doc
@BAC1954
@BAC1954 11 лет назад
Go raibh maith mile maith agat, lean an obair ,Thanks a thousand,keep up the good work.
@patrickfarrell1491
@patrickfarrell1491 6 лет назад
By any means necessary. in order to maintain the empire abroad they had to stifle & contol its next door neighbor. If the world got out that ireland could succeed independently the empire would collapse.
@paulwhite5014
@paulwhite5014 4 года назад
St Patrick was a little girl lol still going on today isn't it the issue the Irish have with england and paedophillia
@tonycarton8054
@tonycarton8054 5 лет назад
very good
@wattamutt
@wattamutt 8 лет назад
tragic.
@nicolassosolic3760
@nicolassosolic3760 4 года назад
Being horrible to other hasn't got any nationality,remember that...Hi from a froggie :)
@bipbippadotta5953
@bipbippadotta5953 3 года назад
This is so inaccurate and false. Ireland had a wool industry in the late 1700's but it was shut down by the British as it threatened their export market. They did the same to the glass making industry. Ireland was only permitted to grow food which was exported to Britain. Exported under armed guard during the famine.
@johanna2059
@johanna2059 4 года назад
Can you not refer to the Irish people as peasants please.
@GeorgeMatthews1
@GeorgeMatthews1 2 года назад
Where’s part 1? I can only see part 2 and 3 on your channel
@jsenigag
@jsenigag 2 года назад
Hi George! Here is the full series: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FEqWpXzbpdE.html. There are five episodes in there. Enjoy!
@peteraldridge5210
@peteraldridge5210 5 лет назад
Bit like today rents still going up elecricty gas same shit
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
Peter Aldridge yes and room tax!
@peteraldridge5210
@peteraldridge5210 3 года назад
@@janeyd5280 room tax 😳😳😳
@Success4u247
@Success4u247 5 лет назад
Noting has changed.
@tinaoneill1234
@tinaoneill1234 2 года назад
It has changed only its the Irish government destroying people now not the english
@gloria-verasiess8295
@gloria-verasiess8295 3 года назад
heartbreaking
@taleofawhale6964
@taleofawhale6964 2 года назад
A very interested piece of history which is similar to my native country Greece. Soon Germany can do anything with the country. The Anglosaxons always on the front line how to impoverish peasants.
@nthperson
@nthperson 2 года назад
Poverty is the common denominator in all nations, in all "modern" societies. And the common cause? Laws that permit some to control most of the land and natural resources, charging the majority higher and higher fees to live on smaller and smaller plots of land. Greece is no exemption. The differences between societies are differences of degree only.
@joemacdonnagh6750
@joemacdonnagh6750 4 года назад
The short answer.. The British .
@tippersfunnyworld4795
@tippersfunnyworld4795 4 года назад
At 1:11 i realized i was listening to a numpty
@celtichound9889
@celtichound9889 4 года назад
Mind explaining that one
@allandavies1642
@allandavies1642 2 года назад
Survival diet...not necesarlily healthy diet !
@daveduffy2823
@daveduffy2823 5 лет назад
Short answer, the English.
@nicolassosolic3760
@nicolassosolic3760 4 года назад
The English monarchy,not the people...Being horrible hasn't got any nationality,remember that! Hi from a froggie :)
@petermckiernan5822
@petermckiernan5822 3 года назад
The English gentry. A lot of the English today have Irish grandparents.
@petermckiernan5822
@petermckiernan5822 3 года назад
@Mark Tierney true, fortunately alot of my teachers were Irish (Catholic school) so they were able to inform us of the truth.
@nthperson
@nthperson 8 лет назад
Later in the 19th century, Irish nationalist leader Michael Davitt was influenced by the writings of the American Henry George, who argued that an end to landlordism could be achieved easily by requiring owners of land to pay an annual tax equal to the full potential annual rental value of the land held. As Henry George explained, this payment would eliminate the profits from absentee land ownership. Land prices would fall as the potential rental income was passed through to the community to pay for public goods and services. Landlordism would come to an end as idle land was brought to its highest, best use, creating employment for people, lifting incomes and business profits.
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
Edward Dodson. very well said.xx
@nthperson
@nthperson 3 года назад
@kbooax Of course. Absentee land owners take without giving anything.
@nthperson
@nthperson 3 года назад
@kbooax Henry George's efforts in Ireland fell short. Political expediency caused Michael Davitt to follow a different course. Ireland, perhaps more than in many decades, needs to address the problem of boom-to-bust property markets. Only Henry George's program to collect there rent of land and tax nothing else holds the prospect for and Ireland that works for all.
@joprocter4573
@joprocter4573 Год назад
If your poor and have so many kids up to 16 for some you will be poor.
@maxpower1337
@maxpower1337 5 лет назад
I heard everyone owned a pig to pay the rent.
@celtichound9889
@celtichound9889 4 года назад
Yep. Most farmers had a cow so they could atleast have milk and cheese was known as the poor mans meat. However cattle became too expensive so a pig was kept as a cheaper alternative.
@johanna2059
@johanna2059 4 года назад
You heard? Are you kidding? Oh sure, and that made everything alright did it? So tell me, did you also hear how the pig was supposed to eat??
@janeyd5280
@janeyd5280 3 года назад
@@celtichound9889 thank you Colleen for that info.x
@fauxmanchu8094
@fauxmanchu8094 6 лет назад
Before the great famine, Ireland was dangerously overpopulated.
@mango2005
@mango2005 5 лет назад
No. We were a net exporter of food to Britain. People could not afford it other than the potato. This is because of centuries of anti Catholic laws which had only recently been repealed. Compulsory subdivision of land was part of those laws, and was a factor in the later Famine.
@margaretnesbeth593
@margaretnesbeth593 4 года назад
Faux Manchu, why dangerous!?
@musenenlightened1984
@musenenlightened1984 3 года назад
Stfu you bootlicking troll
@margaretnesbeth593
@margaretnesbeth593 Год назад
Irish mother's were great providers of canon fodder for the crown.
@joprocter4573
@joprocter4573 Год назад
Why did so many keep having children they couldn't feed.. I fail to understand that whether its India. Africa. Ireland.
@unknowniam121
@unknowniam121 8 лет назад
Les TL de Monges plantent leur drapeau ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@amirarouabhi6978
@amirarouabhi6978 8 лет назад
+Unknow I am rpz frère
@minempepper7942
@minempepper7942 8 лет назад
+Unknow I am cc
@unknowniam121
@unknowniam121 8 лет назад
+Unknow I am Sisi la famine ptdr
@amirarouabhi6978
@amirarouabhi6978 8 лет назад
+Unknow I am c beau
@unknowniam121
@unknowniam121 8 лет назад
+Unknow I am Je suis l'homme mystère héhé!
@MichaelLyncufzzxxh
@MichaelLyncufzzxxh 4 года назад
Bpo
@markfarren349
@markfarren349 11 лет назад
Well done England
@johncrowe850
@johncrowe850 5 лет назад
Yes well done for loosing in Cardiff - should have more fish & chips.
@niki123489
@niki123489 2 года назад
Lol like all these potatoes they've had. Only if they new they can open a McDonalds'.
@whiskyo
@whiskyo 4 года назад
Under British rule, the Irish were not allowed to grow other crops.
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