The Great Framerate Non-Debate 

The war continues!

I find myself here again because Insomniac just dropped a 60fps patch for 2016's Ratchet and Clank -butchering- remake, and Digital Foundry doing a video that talks about the same Insomniac 30fps stuff that starts off this video. It is indeed sad that this debate still goes on. Because we're one again at the launch of new consoles that have no new games to play, we're at the part of the debate where developers and publishers, desperate to convince people that their launch console purchases were worth it, are releasing 60fps versions of their previous games and singing the praises of 60fps at us. But don't worry, once new games finally get here, and developers put pretty graphics over performance, they'll be back to defending 30fps once more and the debate will begin once more. Can't wait. 🙄

@@mjc0961 what seems different this time is that many AAA games have 2 modes. We have the choice now and many games actually hit 60 fps in performance mode on console. It is starting to be the norm and people will hate games that don't let the choice.

Still going on in 2024 lol

i was laughing when i saw him in the killfeed, heheheeh

You forgot the God Hand video

If i could another. His research stream of guise of the wolf.

@@ISetYourFaceOnFire That video was hilarious.

@@ISetYourFaceOnFire that's not an eye opener, that's just taking a massive shit on a game that totally deserves it

Don’t forget “The Bore-Z”

MEME GOD Yep. Spiderman Miles Morales and the Demon Souls Remake are the first to have this feature.

@@DrAnimePhD And now the new Ratchet and Clank game has a 60 FPS ray-tracing mode and even a 40 fps mode on 120hz displays. Hopefully the consoles keep maintaining their momentum of actually good options menus

we are quickly aproaching 30 fps across AAA board, because they will want to push every bit of juice again :(

@@TheGoreforce Yep. That's why the only console I own anymore is a Switch. I'll just wait for games to come to PC, and if they don't come to PC I won't bother. I waited for the PC versions of the Spider-man games.

People still arguing that there isn't a sky.

@@mjc0961 and that a human eye cannot see above 30 fps

York doom snes, 32x?

Because 30fps DOES look more cinematic...meaning looks more similar to movies that commonly use 24fps.

You're missing quite a lot. It's very hard to go back though, so don't pursue high framerates if you're comfortable with 30.

@@mungojerrie86 I'm comfortable with 30 :) Thanks for the tip.

@@SarahWeisters That tip was honestly terrible. You should absolutely pursue 60fps. It's very easy to reach if you have decent hardware. I would only apply that tip to going above 60fps. Once you get into 120fps, 144fps, 240fps, and so on, you can have problems unrelated to your hardware. Maybe you get a game that has an engine limit or some kind of bug, so you have to go back to 60 from 120 and then woof, it doesn't feel great. And of course, having to go from 120fps to 30fps because a game is just hard capped is really awful. But going from 30 to 60? Do it, 100%.

@@mjc0961 "Once you get into 120fps, 144fps, 240fps, and so on, you can have problems unrelated to your hardware." What does that mean? Do you mean things like the physics of a game freaking out if you run it at a higher framerate than 60 (e.g Skyrim)? If that's what you meant, then I would say that that doesn't apply anymore to most games released in the latter half of the previous decade. Almost every single new game comes with unlocked framerate. I'm going to actually say that 60 fps nowadays is outdated as well, especially after having used a 165 hz monitor for a couple of months now. 60 fps, to me, has become so choppy that I can't even use my laptop anymore.

@@AntonChigurh- if you play alot of pixel art or hand drawn indie games you are stuck at 60fps alot of the time

60 fps feels choppy now that I'm used to 165 fps. Once you make the switch, you won't ever go back.

Seriously, I've shared this video so many times with all the Starfield announcements.

Instantly thought of Totalbiscuit when I saw that. Absolutely ridiculous. What reason is there at this point to buy a 500$ console instead of waiting a bit to get a gaming PC.

The word you are searching is not "faster", mate. Its "smoother" because thats a difference from 30fps to 60 fps - a smoother experience.

@@KapitanPazur1 also that last part of the guys message like holy shit how are we not past this even now is amazing

I think there is more to it than just that. There likely is a difference betweening "Seeing" somthing and "Perceiving" somthing. Seeing somthing is when you are looking at it and actively observing it. Perceiving is the ability for your brain to notice things that are there that you conciously cant. While we may only be able to See up to 30 or how many ever FPS its likely our brains Perceive up to and above 120 FPS. Easiest examples are when you think you see somthing move but werent paying attention. You didnt see it occuring but your eyes and brain where able to perceive it occuring.

We can manage around 150 idk why 30 is a thing....

nothing to back your statement up with? no evidence? just declaring i'm retarded? why should i change my mind? because a random twat on the internet said not even it was dumb, but that i was dumb? it's a very unconvincing argument.

Everyone *can* easily feel the difference. Give them a higher fps than they've experience, and they will intantly notice. All that needs to be done is make them play any first person shooter at 60 frames per second, then make them go and play the same game capped at 30fps. it is VERY noticeable. You WILL feel the difference.

so, in my experience that isn't the thing. at least not the jump up. like i explained i used to play skyrim at maybe 30 fps, generally lower. when it suddenly jumped to 60 i didn't notice it being smoother. of course the lack of stutters i could feel, but not the much higher framerate. maybe the games i played wheren't the best for it, but i didn't notice that jump up. but when you get used to it (or stop being used to 30) you will feel the jump down. i'm not saying it isn't better. but if you are used to bad the sudden jump to ok isn't that noticeable.

I might need to correct you on the fact that stutters have nothing to do with the framerate being higher. Stuttering is just the game playing herpa-derp. Regardless of whether you percieve the fps increase or not, you will naturally *feel* the difference. With 30 each frame needs to be displayed twice, so any buttons you press? The game has to wait for the next frame. With 60, pressing a button instantly displays the next frame. A higher framerate increases your reaction speeds, and is crucial for any instance where quick reactions are needed. That's why Uncharted 4's MP still ran at 60fps and the SP only ran at 30. The big devs have a reason to say a jump to 60+ is transformative. 30 is not as jarring if you use a controller on a console, but on a pc 60 is accepted as the standard for a reason: It just makes the games *feel* better and more responsive.

stutters aren't frame rate related? depends how low they get (: don't think many games these days calculate of frames anymore ether as it's a pretty stupid way to do things. it might work for a simple 2d platformer, but for real 3d games you want the game to calculate things over time. not frames, that messes up to easily. and i know 60 fps is better, i'll never claim against that. what i'm saying is that when you are used to gaming at 30 fps you won't feel the jump to 60. that's what i'm warning against. you and I both feel the difference between 60 and 30 fps. but if your brain is used to 30 fps you won't feel the difference. that's why console peasants say that 60 fps isn't needed: the few times they tried it their expectations of 30 fps meant that they couldn't feel it. saying that everyone always feels the difference is incorrect. and that type of talk makes them thing we are talking out of our ass.

You don't need a PC that costs this much to achieve 60FPS though.

I'd say it's not they're garbage as videogames, but defective/flawed as products.

Defective or flawed? lmao is too harsh and too simplistic as it applies to most games.

Masilya111 but that was how console games were for a long time. And frame pacing is more crucial than frame rate.

I would say that maybe with a 4K monitor where achieving constant 60FPS is difficult it is fine to run lower at some points, but then you need an adaptive sync monitor (which is very common nowadays) to make it look decent.Everything below 4K resolution I always aim for high framerates 60 minimum 120Hz+ preferred.

Your comment says more about you than the people who buy game consoles it’s plastic and electronics get over yourself who cares what you play on.

Spaceduck31 it doesn't really matter it's my opinion why do you got fly a kite

Madtrickster rc why do you go fly a kite? Why don’t you learn to use some punctuation douche canoe.

Spaceduck31 geez take it easy spacefuck enjoy your console gaming at shit fps if that's what you enjoy. the video is about how consoles and low fps are shit.

I watched the video whole video do you not think I’m not aware of that?

You need to get your eyes checked.

There's actually something wrong with your body then. It's not that everyone is hyper sensitive to it you may just actually be blind.