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The Great Glider Grab - Salvaging Operation Market Garden Gliders 1944 

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The unknown and difficult operation to recover valuable gliders from the battlefield following the failure of Operation Market Garden in 1944.
Dr. Mark Felton is a well-known British historian, the author of 22 non-fiction books, including bestsellers 'Zero Night' and 'Castle of the Eagles', both currently being developed into movies in Hollywood. In addition to writing, Mark also appears regularly in television documentaries around the world, including on The History Channel, Netflix, National Geographic, Quest, American Heroes Channel and RMC Decouverte. His books have formed the background to several TV and radio documentaries. More information about Mark can be found at: en.wikipedia.o...
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Credits: US National Archives; Library of Congress; Duncan Jackson; 'Airborne Operations of World War II' by John C. Warren; 'Silent Skies' by Tim Lynch; 'Arnhem' by Antony Beevor
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@buzbuz33-99
@buzbuz33-99 2 года назад
My cousin was a private with the 101st, 506PIR. Operation Market Garden was his first campaign drop and his last - he died on Sep 20, a few days before his 19th birthday. He is buried at Margraten where his grave is well cared for by the locals. Thanks for honoring these vets with your excellent stories.
@rockym2931
@rockym2931 Год назад
He and the others are not forgotten. Thanks for telling.
@ryand2529
@ryand2529 2 года назад
Interesting note: A British group had the idea to celebrate the 50th anniversary of D-Day, by making a glider from the blueprints used to make the original aircraft. Their plan was to fill it with volunteers who would be towed by a C-47 across the Channel and land in the glider, just like on June 6. When they approached the British government for approval, they were denied permission because they deemed the glider unworthy and unsafe for human occupancy. True story.
@frankryan2505
@frankryan2505 2 года назад
Would have been the aviation authority rather than the government, pretty strict from what I know.
@alastairmellor966
@alastairmellor966 2 года назад
It was BAe Systems (the design authority) who didn't want it flown. In the end what they built was so unairworthy that even the RAF museum didn't want it on display. It eventually went to the Overloon museum in the Netherlands.
@wampuscat1831
@wampuscat1831 2 года назад
This time the government / Authority was correct.
@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--b
@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--b 11 месяцев назад
I would not fly in a glider from WW2 either! There were 1940s American politicians who flew in one for a demonstration/photo op/war bond drive and it crashed with no survivors.
@robertcieslak1861
@robertcieslak1861 6 месяцев назад
I was a witness to that crash. It happened on August 1, 1943. I was 5 years old and will never forget it, even to this day. I'm 85 years old now.@@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--b
@TRHARTAmericanArtist
@TRHARTAmericanArtist 2 года назад
I was fortunate as a young man to have many elderly customers share their life experiences with me. One fought in the Spanish American war, joined the Navy afterwards and got caught up in the Boxer rebellion. Another was General Pershing's driver, and another customer told me about seeing Queen Victoria' s diamond jubilee as a young boy. He was 93 when he told me. One story that stuck in my mind was a WW2 veteran who washed out as a glider pilot. He felt ashamed of being a failure but admitted that have probably would have been killed at Normandy. I hold each of these stories dear in my memory and glad to have met these men. My advice to young people is to spend a moment to listen to old folks tales. History is being written everyday, but these are the people who lived it. I love this channel as there are so many thoughtful comments.
@clazy8
@clazy8 2 года назад
Like yours!
@Mis-AdventureCH
@Mis-AdventureCH 2 года назад
Write them down or they die with you. When coof hit I was like, 'Great, I'm gonna die in a pandemic? Typical." (we know better now, but this was march 2020). I was the only one my spoke to about WW2 and the family history. It suddenly became a priority to get it out of my mind and onto paper. So I opened up a MS Word doc, sketched out a basic outline, and started filling in around that. I did a bunch of research to fill in the gaps. Using text boxes I folded in some pictures, made a cover with photo shop and uploaded to Amazon's publishing feature. Everyone has copies now. If I go, it's all in hard copy, which will outlive me.
@krishanuA
@krishanuA 2 года назад
Artfully articulated indeed. This channel is a great one, and its viewers are to be appreciated as well. Good luck from 🇮🇳
@80srenaissance67
@80srenaissance67 2 года назад
Actually, in todays messed up world they actually re-write history and tell u 2+2=5 ...millions of men have died fighting wars when no war was needed.
@joebombero1
@joebombero1 2 года назад
I had an elderly friend as a young man in the 1970s. She was a distant cousin of my grandmother and visited us with her from time to time. She and I just hit it off. She had been born in 1889 and went on a tour of Europe in 1910, when she was 21. She may have bought a hand painted postcard from Hitler, but she never found it. So many stories from her. She loved Ronald Reagan and compared him to Teddy Roosevelt. I remember her and tell her stories to my son :)
@lqsputnik9989
@lqsputnik9989 2 года назад
My late father was at Arnhem (L section 1st Airborne Divisional Signals) and he used to tell a story that during one of the exersizes on the lead up to Market Garden, there was a shortage of gliders, and an officer challenged why a particular glider was supposedly unservicable. He insisted it be hooked up to a tow plane, took it up, cast off the tow rope, carried out a few manouvres, then dove it at full speed and looped it before landing it. At which point he declared it servicable, and it was issued to ... my fathers radio crew. Needless to say they spend the whole exersize flight looking nervously at the 4 3/8th inch explosive bolts that were all that held the tail in place (see 4:00 and 4:12 where tail units have been blown off for a fast exit). He ended up being one of the few who made it back across the Rhine from Oosterbeek and the only survivor from his crew.
@davemacdonald3889
@davemacdonald3889 Год назад
You must be so Proud of him.🇬🇧
@THOMMGB
@THOMMGB 3 месяца назад
That officer must have been an aircraft mechanic and/or pilot to know the difference between cosmetic damage, which doesn't matter and structural damage which does.
@eb5024
@eb5024 3 месяца назад
​@@THOMMGBiki.mkoo77999lk800p
@automaticmattywhack1470
@automaticmattywhack1470 2 года назад
A security guard at one of my jobs 25 years ago was in the Korean War. He recovered tanks damaged in battle. He said he still had nightmares of what he saw inside the tanks. You don't have to be in "battle" to have PTSD. I have so much respect for ANY soldier.
@TRHARTAmericanArtist
@TRHARTAmericanArtist 2 года назад
I heard similar tales of horrific scenes. The Sherman tanks were deathtraps. One old soldier heard screaming from one of them during the Battle of the Bulge that haunted him well into his eighties.
@535tony
@535tony 2 года назад
The Sherman was less of a death trap then the T34. This is because the Sherman was easy to bail out of.
@Collateral0
@Collateral0 2 года назад
@@TRHARTAmericanArtist any tank that got destroyed was a death trap. No one wanted to be in a sherman or a tiger or a panther or T-34 when it got penetrated by a shell. Because by that point, your tank became a steel coffin.
@bigbaddms
@bigbaddms 2 года назад
There’s a movie on prime “T34” that is excellent. Doesn’t show the full gore but gives you a good idea. Excellent movie
@Ark_3311
@Ark_3311 2 года назад
@@TRHARTAmericanArtist They weren't death traps At all
@germanshepherdpuppypower6945
@germanshepherdpuppypower6945 2 года назад
Interesting video as always. Randomly met Babe Heffron and Bill Guarnere about 17(?) years ago. They were part of a tour along with some cast from BoB visiting bases in Europe. They were just sitting at a cafe on a nice afternoon (we were really surprised no one else had recognized them). All were super great about chatting with us and taking some pics with the kids. Of course we felt very fortunate to meet and thank them.
@declana1359
@declana1359 2 года назад
I regret that a long time ago I had a chance to meet Bill Guarnere at an airshow but didn't because I was a nervous kid and thought I would be bothering him
@ChancetheCanine
@ChancetheCanine 2 года назад
GS that is wonderful!
@robertdurning6641
@robertdurning6641 2 года назад
I met Babe Heffron on New Year's day in 2002 outside of his house on 2nd street in Philadelphia. He lived about half a block down from the Mummer's museum (most of the string band's clubhouses are on 2nd street). After the main parade the string bands party on 2nd street. All the bands stopped in front of Babe's house & played patriotic music. Babe was sitting out front in a wheelchair wearing a 101st screaming eagles sweatshirt. My friends and I walked over and talked to him for a bit. Real nice old guy.
@oldesertguy9616
@oldesertguy9616 2 года назад
I wrote an email to Guarnere after the BoB came out. He sent me a handwritten letter in reply. I keep the letter with my Band of Brothers boxed DVD set.
@TRHARTAmericanArtist
@TRHARTAmericanArtist 2 года назад
I saw John Glenn and he was talking to a bunch of high Navy Brass. I desperately wanted to meet him and was afraid to go up to him. I got the nerve, despite my ex-wife telling me I was a nobody to him, and went up to speak with him. He and his wife were wonderful people and spent time with me. Never lose an opportunity to meet your heroes. You will always regret it. I don't regret getting divorced though. 😁
@patrickbonin137
@patrickbonin137 2 года назад
The figures are outstanding , the research astounding , Mark your 10 min video is truly remarkable!!
@Lathamhipsurgery
@Lathamhipsurgery 2 года назад
My father flew a Horsa in Operation Varsity in 1945. He was RAF and volunteered to join the Glider Pilot Regiment which was of course Army. He and his RAF colleagues insisted on wearing their Air Force blue uniforms and wings. He is 97 and remembers every detail as if it were yesterday. They were an extraordinary group of young men. Your videos are wonderful and much appreciated.
@neillp3827
@neillp3827 2 года назад
My grandad did too, he was in 2nd airborne glider regiment. Hugh Parry 1902766. He was a glider pilot. Did your father know my grandad at all
@Lathamhipsurgery
@Lathamhipsurgery 2 года назад
@@neillp3827 I’ll ask him and let you know.
@Lathamhipsurgery
@Lathamhipsurgery 2 года назад
From my father: I did not know Hugh Parry. I was with the 1st Airborne and crossed the Rhine as part of it. Once down we were on our own, met up with the Squadron, or what remained of it, took over part of the line and waited ( for two days ) for the 2nd Army to get through and take over our trenches. We were brought back to the HQ. Where we made ourselves useful, guarding prisoners etc and waited for the armour to get through and were then evacuated and brought back to cross the Elbe, but Eisenhower wasn’t prepared to go east of that. All good stuff, terrifying, but wouldn’t have missed it!!
@johnrudy9404
@johnrudy9404 Год назад
My Uncle Mike was KIA Op Varsity. 466th PFAB. Shot by volkssturm. Never made it to the ground. I like to think he racked his Thompson and shot the SOB who got him. Salute to you Brits for sacrifices made, military and civilian.
@Lathamhipsurgery
@Lathamhipsurgery Год назад
@@johnrudy9404 very sorry to hear about your Uncle. Many brave men died that day. I hope nothing like it happens again. The world is quite unstable at the moment.
@otpyrcralphpierre1742
@otpyrcralphpierre1742 2 года назад
Imagine going to war against a well-armed, well-trained, and determined enemy in an aircraft with no engines, that had already been used, patched up, and "recovered". Truly, the Greatest Generation.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
I'm not sure how well trained, armed or determined the Germans really were towards the end. The ones that fought western Allies were just dumb. German POWs that got shipped to America lead the best lives possible in the war. They were the safest and ate the best. I've heard after the war ended a lot ended up settling here they liked it so much.
@theprojectproject01
@theprojectproject01 2 года назад
@@1pcfred We had one just down the street in the little Wisconsin farm town I grew up in. Bloody brilliant machinist.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
@@theprojectproject01 yeah it was one of the most bizarre aspects of the war just how much German POWs liked their captors. It's pretty much an unheard of situation. I've heard stories of German prisoner trains and when they stopped the locals would give them stuff to eat. They were just such good looking lads. Everyone felt for them.
@AdamantLightLP
@AdamantLightLP Год назад
@Paul Frederick You have yo remember they weren't told stuff like that. While many knew that the Americans treated prisoners far better than the soviets (hence many fleeing to the west to surrender, or fighting bitterly to the last against the reds) they probably didn't really know.jow bad things were for the overall war effort.
@ConkerKing
@ConkerKing 2 года назад
My Grandad went into Burma on one of these things, he called them crates.. He also said he met Jackie Coogan (not sure if he was his pilot or not) who was one of the pilots... Uncle Fester in the original Adams Family... :)
@davidfifer4729
@davidfifer4729 2 года назад
Yes, Jackie Coogan served as a glider pilot in Burma. Thanks to your grandfather for his service.
@MothaLuva
@MothaLuva 2 года назад
Was he already shooting everyone in the back back then?
@bradraczenski2361
@bradraczenski2361 2 года назад
No way! My grandfather parachuted from these gliders into Japanese occupied Burma jungles as well . I have a piece of the glider he kept that crashed with date etched on it. He also parachuted into India and China as well. Never met him.
@micanopykracker902
@micanopykracker902 2 года назад
@@bradraczenski2361 much respect your granddaddy
@MothaLuva
@MothaLuva 2 года назад
@@bradraczenski2361 These gliders were not designed to be “parachuted out” of. Troops being carried by them didn’t even wear parachutes. Usually.
@michaelmanning5379
@michaelmanning5379 2 года назад
The final scene of "Objective Burma" has Errol Flynn and comrades in a glider that gets snatched up by a passing Dakota. It really surprised me because I had always considered gliders to be a one-shot weapon.
@Sandman253
@Sandman253 2 года назад
They sometimes used snatched gliders to remove casualities from battle in CBI too.
@fludblud
@fludblud 2 года назад
Nor are they outdated, the US army has a glider drone program where instead of parachuting supplies that can get blown off course, aerodynamic pallets fitted with foldable wings can simply be dropped out of a C-130 and will glide themselves up to 40 miles to their destination. An even more ambitious British concept even has the drones made out of a consumable material that can be eaten by soldiers on the field or refugees in humanitarian relief operations.
@mindrelic
@mindrelic 2 года назад
@@fludblud Thats amazing, what would I search to read more about those programs? I was just watching a video this morning about a weapons platform called "Rapid Dragon" which is basically chucking a pallet of 6 cruise missiles off the back of a cargo plane, the pallet deploys chutes and the missiles drop out and glide until their engines are lit.
@unhippy1
@unhippy1 2 года назад
@@mindrelic Lol copycats...the soviets had the similar type of system going in the 70's and 80's for launching cruise and anti-shipping missiles from transport aircraft
@danap.235
@danap.235 2 года назад
@@Sandman253 (CBI), China, Burma, India and the use of Air Ambulances for the preservation of Human Life during military conflict... Great comment.
@andrewplantagenet5811
@andrewplantagenet5811 2 года назад
One of the best components of a Dr Mark Felton video are his excellent pronunciations. He is the standard that I compare other history videos with. Thank you Sir for your superior content!
@josephpadula2283
@josephpadula2283 2 года назад
The Waco gliders are pronounced Way Coe. Like the Texas town. Wack coe means crazy in US slang.
@eduardocrestani2454
@eduardocrestani2454 2 года назад
Totally agree
@wolfmauler
@wolfmauler 2 года назад
A Plantagenet using the Tudor Rose! A travesty! 😬😁
@marvwatkins7029
@marvwatkins7029 2 года назад
Not quite, as in 'Waco'.
@AtrociousAK47
@AtrociousAK47 2 года назад
well he is an actual historian, and he used to work with the history channel, back when that channel was about documentaries, and not about reality shows like pawn stars
@davidsummer8631
@davidsummer8631 2 года назад
My grandfather took part in Operation Market Garden as a British paratrooper and his task was to take the railway bridge which I believe the Germans blew up sometime during the battle, luckily he survived the battle but unfortunately spent the rest of war as a P.O.W
@5ynth3ticNZ
@5ynth3ticNZ 2 года назад
I hope he spent the rest of his life living well after the war. Market garden is an amazing story, it's amazing that any British made it out of there.
@Deebz270
@Deebz270 2 года назад
My grandfather was a sarjeant in the special boat detachment (not anything to do with the SBS). He worked with the Polish 1st Bgd (Sosabowski) to assist with the withdrawel of the remnants of 1st AB Div (Urquhart) across the Nederrijn at Oosterbeek.
@joebloggs4845
@joebloggs4845 2 года назад
my son too part too..infact we all took part including my grandfather and my aunty
@Farweasel
@Farweasel 2 года назад
@@joebloggs4845 Is it true you went in disguised as the Berkshire Hunt? I suspect its incorrect only because it wouldn't be a disguise. [For our non-Brit readers - Please bear in mind the once Cockney rhyming slng has since been widely adopted throughout the UK].
@rbilleaud
@rbilleaud 2 года назад
Monty's defenders tend to gloss over this disaster. It really was a very non-Montylike operation. Up to this point, Montgomery had always carefully planned his operations and marshalled his forces, sometimes painfully so. In this case, he rushed headlong into a poorly planned assault. Had he listened to his intelligence reports, he would have known that the 9th and 10th SS Panzer divisions were there. And they were no boy scouts.
@benwilson6145
@benwilson6145 2 года назад
And Gavin sat on his ass for 6 hours and did nothing, defend that!
@ericscottstevens
@ericscottstevens 2 года назад
True but possibly Monty was trying to out duel Patton and thought this plan up. As it was your rendition is probably valid as Monty had no idea how to tactically plan this or align all the pieces, but still had an X on the map where the finish line was. It was far fetched operation but a big splash in the war news. I think the King of the Netherlands stated he wanted no more of Monty's "help" after the destruction of Arnhem and other towns.
@photoisca7386
@photoisca7386 2 года назад
@@ericscottstevens Patton had better PR professionals than Montgomery. After all his armies had only crossed North Africa and driven the Axis away, while Patton's war to date had been sitting around in Tunisia, hitting a soldier in a hospital, doing PR in England and enjoying a motoring holiday in Britany. Montgomery's armies then drove 300 miles from France into Belgium.
@benwilson6145
@benwilson6145 2 года назад
Patton also had Hollywood on his side!
@garystefanski7227
@garystefanski7227 2 года назад
That's OK he and browning had Sosabowski to blame.
@j.dunlop8295
@j.dunlop8295 2 года назад
My uncle Jess was gliders 101st airborne, there was a drop of over 400 gliders, 14 were reusable, without repairs! His brother was 82nd airborne.
@raymondtonns2521
@raymondtonns2521 2 года назад
they did not bounce very well stout men though!! i read alot of guys were injured or killed in bad landings
@markdavis2475
@markdavis2475 2 года назад
My Uncle, Staff Sgt George Davis, landed his Horsa, intact at Arnhem. Wonder if his was recovered? He spent the rest of the war in a POW camp. Liberated by the Russians.
@ianjames9574
@ianjames9574 2 года назад
What squadron of the Glider Pilot Regiment was he? Where was he captured?
@Fordnan
@Fordnan 2 года назад
No, the Germans set fire to the gliders at Wolfheze, precisely to prevent an operation such as this.
@markdavis2475
@markdavis2475 2 года назад
@@ianjames9574 1st Air Landing Brigade, from memory. I'll recheck it and post an update. Info about him is in a book online. Ok it was F Sqn. He's quoted in the book "Glider Pilots at Arnhem" Its on Google Books. If I find more I'll edit. He was captured in the town, he told me the same thing quoted in the book. "I was hiding in a slit trench in a back garden, I didn't realize it was a temporary (SS?) HQ. Some officers came into the garden and literally fell over me. They discussed between themselves whether to shoot me or capture me, luckily they chose the later" George moved to Australia after the war. He had a large family. He never talked about the war until he was in his 70's. Im very honoured to have met and chatted to him. If you ever get to The Mosquito Museum in Hatfield they have a lot of Horsa parts there. He signed the memorial book when he visited.
@markdavis2475
@markdavis2475 2 года назад
@@Fordnan Yes, I did my post before Mark got to the part where only US gliders were recovered!
@ianjames9574
@ianjames9574 2 года назад
@@markdavis2475 That's interesting. My grandfather was E squadron, first lift. Captured at Oosterbeek, also spent the rest of the war as POW. It is said that he spoke a little German and asked his captors to speak to an officer, fearing they would be shot too.
@EricDaMAJ
@EricDaMAJ 2 года назад
You really have to see these gliders up close to understand how brave the troops they carried were. Most of these rickety crates looked like they were knocked together in a garage by amateur carpenters. Considering the competent British carpenters were building Mosquito bombers, they probably were. Though the US versions weren’t any better. It might’ve been more efficient to train the glider troops to build their own. The idea of re using them is understandable in one sense but in another much like recycling chewing gum.
@mindrelic
@mindrelic 2 года назад
I guess the amount of effort they put into recovering them really speaks to how valuable basic supplies were at the time
@jiyushugi1085
@jiyushugi1085 2 года назад
TBO: 1 day
@demonprinces17
@demonprinces17 2 года назад
Shows how cheap the army was
@Idahoguy10157
@Idahoguy10157 2 года назад
In American factories there was a skilled labor shortage. People with no experience were (hopefully) trained on the job. Some industries were better organized.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 2 года назад
There were a number of fatalities in the United States when the wings literally fell off the gliders during test flights because of substandard metal fittings…
@rickb1973
@rickb1973 2 года назад
I wonder if the glider pilot managed to duck in time when that snatched-up tow rope snapped and came flying back through the windshield.....Yikes!
@grantm6514
@grantm6514 2 года назад
Imagine if it had failed the other way, the loose end snapping forward and destroying the C47's tail feathers.
@DaveGIS123
@DaveGIS123 2 года назад
Imagine if the glider didn't get moving from a standing start quickly enough, the tow rope didn't snap, and the C-47 lost too much airspeed so close to the ground...
@acurafillfilip9868
@acurafillfilip9868 2 года назад
Reminds me of this episode from the Novel "The bridges at Toko Ri" (Korean War) in which one of the pilots claimed he stuck his head into the end of the hydraulic catapult mechanism (thanx for the correction @rempilot) below the flight deck to "cool off" after ops: The large piston travels at very high speed and stops just inches from his head. frightening to say the least.
@rempilot
@rempilot 2 года назад
@@acurafillfilip9868 Great Novel and Movie (One I hope they never denigrate by doing a remake). The Korea era catapults were hydraulic and the idea was to stand just in front of the stopping point of the piston in the catapult machinery space and not flinch as it slammed to a stop inches from your face. It was kind of a way for some of the pilots to prove to themselves they weren't losing their nerve.
@acurafillfilip9868
@acurafillfilip9868 2 года назад
@@rempilot thanks for clearing up the hydraulic/steam confusion. As an ex-air Force guy I’m not very familiar with catapult systems or carrier operations but I do find the technology really fascinating. Like how thow they got those early jets back on the carrier and the way they performed Search and Rescue ops in that era! Heroic stuff
@frostyfrost4094
@frostyfrost4094 2 года назад
The Army Air Corp Museum is one of the few places in the uk where a WACO glider and Horsa can be seen parts are still on there wants list for the Hamilcar well worth a visit
@jjforcebreaker
@jjforcebreaker 2 года назад
Very interesting subject to cover. Peeking behind the curtains during (and often closely after) the war sometimes is more interesting than putting a spotlight on things that have been covered thousands of times.
@MarkFeltonProductions
@MarkFeltonProductions 2 года назад
My speciality!
@Slugbunny
@Slugbunny 2 года назад
Recovery and salvage are really interesting topics and rarely covered. Thank you! Timely for the circular economy as well.
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 2 года назад
Same with burying all the dead bodies. Rarely covered. Sometimes for good reason.
@bigblue6917
@bigblue6917 2 года назад
I believe the pick up method of returning gliders used here was similar to a system which had been used in the past to allow biplanes to receive messages from ground forces. It has been some time since I came across this but I believe that during WW1, before aircraft were fitted with radios, aircraft which were spotting for the ground forces would pick up messages using this method. Any messages coming from the aircraft were usually put inside a small container with a flag attached. It would be dropped out of the aircraft near to the command position where it would be picked up and read.
@Rickinsf
@Rickinsf 2 года назад
"Snatching" a container from the ground in this manner was part of an experimental US Postal Service program to bring air mail to smaller, isolated communities in the US just before WWII. One of the planes used is, or was, on display at the Post Office Museum in Washington, DC.
@Edinboron
@Edinboron 2 года назад
If you have ever seen the John Wayne movie The Green Berets they use a similar method to snatch up an NVA general from deep in NorthVietnam
@hereLiesThisTroper
@hereLiesThisTroper 2 года назад
History Channel: Who are you? Mark Felton: I am you, but with fewer aliens.
@GaryCameron
@GaryCameron 2 года назад
More like the ghost of History Channel past.
@GFHanks
@GFHanks 2 года назад
History Channel: Who are you? Mark Felton: I am you, but with actual history.
@spikespa5208
@spikespa5208 2 года назад
And no fawning over pawning.
@josephstevens9888
@josephstevens9888 2 года назад
Mark - you sir, are literally a machine pumping out one very interesting military documentary after another... keep up the good work!
@intender4good
@intender4good 2 года назад
My Granpa was pulled off of bus headed to basic training and sent to a location in Palo Duro Canyon Texas where he was tasked with building a top secret glider runway. 2 miles long 1 mile wide. Perfectly level. He warned against it as the end of the runway was into the canyon where the updraft would eventually kill several pilots before being scrapped and then he was sent to the Texas coast to begin another but the end of the war came and the need for a glider field was no longer. He then worked with a man delivering supplies by air to oil field patches. He said he never wanted to learn to fly. It was around that time he took another job where he operated a water cannon on the first fire ever extinguished by Red Adair.
@johnclair8546
@johnclair8546 2 года назад
Interesting.
@mikentx57
@mikentx57 2 года назад
I grew up in Amarillo and never heard of this. Do you have any more information on this, like where this strip was this exactly?. Seeing that the Texas panhandle has huge swaths of very level land. I am guessing that they built the landing strip on the edge of the cliff to practice landing over the edge of a cliff, like those in Normandy. I would think that the down drafts were the bigger danger. If you are coming in over the canyon and into the wind. Then the wind spilling over the cliff will give you a down draft the last few seconds when you are low and slow. I am sure it pushed some into the canyon wall.
@pedalingthru2719
@pedalingthru2719 2 года назад
My family has lived in and ran cattle in the area around palo duro canyon since the 1890's and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are a lier.
@williamjenkinson9213
@williamjenkinson9213 11 месяцев назад
Interesting life...Thanks for sharing.
@ARIXANDRE
@ARIXANDRE 2 года назад
I can't imagine how frightening it must have been to fly and land in these gliders. Another amazing video, Mr. Felton.
@highjumpstudios2384
@highjumpstudios2384 2 года назад
Not only that, but now you're stuck there with them. Glider pilot doesn't get to fly back with the transport planes
@NozomuYume
@NozomuYume 2 года назад
Now imagine being asked to fly in a patched-up already-used glider of uncertain airworthiness.
@scrubsrc4084
@scrubsrc4084 2 года назад
They call it "pranging" a glider rather than "landing" for good reason.
@justmakesstuff
@justmakesstuff 2 года назад
I was privelleged to visit Normandy and Arnhem on more than one occasion with my Grandfather, a former Glider Pilot. After D-Day they were back on boats on -Day +1. After Arnhem / Oosterbeek, he ended the war as a PoW and had a very bad experience in the camp until liberated by Russians. But those memories of retracing his steps. Finding his landing spots, are very precious. It took him over 50 years to be willing to return to either location though.
@abrahamlevi3556
@abrahamlevi3556 2 года назад
The Germans had erected poles and other obstacles in the designated landing zones which took a heavy toll on men and machines.
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il 2 года назад
The spearhead 1st airborne was roughly handled by the germans...i love the typical British understatement.
@wilfdarr
@wilfdarr 2 года назад
...80% loses... roughly handled I'd say!
@nmarbletoe8210
@nmarbletoe8210 2 года назад
@@wilfdarr Indeed, it seems the 1st was served a meager tea by their German hosts.
@mdftrasher
@mdftrasher 2 года назад
Thank you, greetings from the Netherlands ;-)
@markthompson8656
@markthompson8656 2 года назад
My Uncle trained as a Glider Paratrooper. He told me after a few training landings. He was not going to go into battle in those gliders and immediately Volunteered Regular Airborne . He was assigned to the 11th ABN DIV. And went to the Philippine's.
@cogman62
@cogman62 2 года назад
With good reason. Glider troops were considered Airborne. However, they did not get Airborne jump pay and so missed out on those bonuses.
@texaswunderkind
@texaswunderkind 2 года назад
Smart decision. I would much rather jump out of a reliable airplane with a parachute than ride in one of those flying coffins.
@Roller_Ghoster
@Roller_Ghoster 2 года назад
What better way to than glide into another fascinating subject from WW2 than with Mark Felton at the controls.
@kevinjustkevin7627
@kevinjustkevin7627 3 месяца назад
Here in Brevard County Florida there are some remains, aluminum chunks, out in the Saint Johns River area of gliders from the Banana River Naval base that were used for training from WW2. Thanks Mr Felton.
@Henkkaassouffle
@Henkkaassouffle 2 года назад
My hometown is exactly in between Arnhem and Nijmegen. Its crazy to think that these guys have landed around me. There was a special role for Polish soldiers. They were the first soldiers to cross the rivers in rubber boats.
@mikebellis5713
@mikebellis5713 2 года назад
And look at the thanks Poland got. Handed over to Stalin
@DavidSmith-ss1cg
@DavidSmith-ss1cg 2 года назад
@@mikebellis5713 - Stalin had it out for Poland. He started out with the Bolsheviks as a strong-arm man, a thug. He was smart but not a good student, so the more intellectual Reds like Lenin and Trotsky bullied him. He argued his way into being a general in the Red Army in 1921 when Russia fought Poland; but he was overconfident and the Polish Army beat his Soviet army like a gong; the Polish won the war, and won concessions from Russia that they could not afford, embarrassing Stalin and making him greatly dislike them. The Soviets were just as ruthless and brutal to the Poles as the Germans were in 1939.
@spyder8986
@spyder8986 Месяц назад
The first trip across the river by the poles consisted of 50 men, 35 survived
@stevebakke1031
@stevebakke1031 2 года назад
I knew a man who was a pilot who pulled gliders during the war. He was involved in the recovery operations.
@MM-vv8mt
@MM-vv8mt 2 года назад
U.S. Army doctrine required three all-weather paved highways to exist in front of any armored or infantry division for operational plans; to that, the Great Monty said, "Bosh!", and tried to send an entire corps up a single raised highway across open country that was defiladed and exposed virtually the entire way to Arnhem. All Market Garden accomplished was delaying the entire Allied advance for 3 months, destroyed 3,000 gliders, killed off the Red Devils as a fighting force, killed and wounded another 60,000 crack allied airborne troops and subjected the Dutch people to another 6 months of Nazi terror. It also no doubt helped assuage that pompous little glory hound's ego. The entire war effort in Europe would have been far better along had he remained in France pivoting on his Caen.
@eze8970
@eze8970 2 года назад
The problem is where do you go with limited supplies?, & hindsight is a wonderful thing. I don't doubt Monty's v Patton's egos got in the way though. Churchill may also have been pushing for some extra late war British prestige as the Americans were eclipsing them/had eclipsed them on the world stage. The Allies got caught up in their own 1944 advance success, & thought the Germans were spent. Another issue was that the Parachute/Glider units had been training for a long time, had previous cancelled missions and would start losing effectiveness, which worried the Allied High Command & it takes a very long time to organise or cancel - which were part of the reasons it went ahead (despite the poor intelligence & overall plan, the risk was worth the potential rewards to the Allied High Command, & politicians). Are you sure it's 60,000 other airborne troops, seems too many? With hindsight taking the sea passage & covering islands to Antwerp port would have been more successful, BUT... the mission nearly worked, & may have done so if the Allies had done the max drops on Day 1, the Germans weren't so skilful with their counter attacks along the single corridor (didn't they capture a map of the plans early on?), & the Americans captured one of the earlier towns/river crossings when it was open.
@cyngaethlestan8859
@cyngaethlestan8859 2 года назад
Many actions are won or lost by a fine margin, if it succeeds the general is said to be a genius, if it fails he is a fool. Your condemnation is far too stark and too easy to make in hindsight. As for the US 'requiring' this or that, well just about every other military does, or tries to do, what it has to with what it's got.
@martinwarner1178
@martinwarner1178 2 года назад
Well said, Monty was nearly as bad as Churchill. Caen...hmm, another f--k up. Peace be unto you.
@eze8970
@eze8970 2 года назад
@@martinwarner1178 For context, what part of Caen are you saying was bad please? The initial plan to reach it on D-Day, the envelopment, capture, push beyond, or all of it?
@martinwarner1178
@martinwarner1178 2 года назад
@@eze8970 The bombing, with not a care for people, city, the country of France. As with bombing of Germany. Brutes acting towards women and children.
@alastairbarkley6572
@alastairbarkley6572 2 года назад
You didn't mention aluminium (or aluminum). The gliders - particularly the American Wacos) were full of aluminium which was a resource the Allies were desperately short of throughout the entire war. It was really precious stuff and worth recovering. How precious? Well, the US Army signal corps was forced to use steel for the casings, chassis and internal struts of many of its later radio sets because of a critical shortage of aluminium. Steel, although plentiful, is nearly twice as heavy as aluminium so that was a significant and very unwelcome weight penalty - especially for portable sets. Whilst the US was undoubtedly the 'Arsenal of Democracy' in WW2, we may not know that the British Empire & Commonwealth was a vital supplier of RAW MATERIALS to America. Many billions of dollars worth of rare and precious metals (refined or as ores), - things like chromium, molybdenum and gold - were supplied, along with fibre, woven fabrics, quartz (for radio crystals) and particularly rubber (the only free world source was British Ceylon - and synthetic rubbers, neoprene and so on, were far from successful in the war) along with vast quantities of petroleum products from British refineries in the Middle East as well as foodstuffs from Oceania were sent to America and US troops - particularly in the Pacific, SEA and CBI theatres via 'reverse lend lease'. American Lend-Lease supplies accounted for LESS than one-fifth of even just the British Isles war production; useful, sure but not the 'total dependence' that US revisionists have attempted to claim ever since WW2.
@alastairmellor966
@alastairmellor966 2 года назад
The Waco were not full of aluminium, they were built from steel tube covered in fabric and the wings were mostly wood. Likewise the British gliders used very little aluminium.TheHorsa was one of the most wooden aircraft ever built and the majority of the metal used was mild steel. The larger tank carrying Hamilcar used not only mild steel but also stainless steel at the high stress points, yet it was still mostly wood, and not high grade wood at that.
@peterdahl2952
@peterdahl2952 2 года назад
FYI, (at least) one of the C47s that were used to pull them out is still flying. She is appropriately named ‘Drag ‘em Oot’ operated by Aero Legends at Headcorn Aerodrome in Kent. We used to jump from her at Normandy and Arnhem every year for the commemorative events…
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 2 года назад
The oddly hilarious in context counterpoint to this was over in the Pacific, where Carrier Air Crews were being told to not waste time repairing damaged Hellcats. Just toss it overboard and get a new one out of the box. Grumman was producing them so much faster than they were being lost. The Navy was running out of parking spaces, but they didn’t want to slow down the production lines or lay people off with the war ongoing.
@90whatever
@90whatever 2 года назад
I see that old footage of them dumping those planes overboard and it is painful.
@andrewtaylor940
@andrewtaylor940 2 года назад
@@90whatever Probably less painful then what happened to all the Hellcats after the war. Painted Orange and used as target and test drones. The vast majority of the Hellcats built were shot down by the US Navy and Marines.
@tomaytotomato
@tomaytotomato 2 года назад
Very informative, I had assumed the gliders were scrapped or burned after use. Whilst on the topic of Market Garden, any chance you could do an episode on the Polish General Stanslaw Sosabowski?
@rickdav7734
@rickdav7734 2 года назад
Yes, at least some burned in place... Interesting that their burn mark was visible for years afterward ...
@jacklow8590
@jacklow8590 2 года назад
My grandfather landed the 82 airborne in the Nijmegen sector in a cg4a.he said some glider pilots were killed when the tow ropes snapped back.
@marvwatkins7029
@marvwatkins7029 2 года назад
Pronounced 'Wayco'. 'Wacko' is best used to describe the whole concept of Market Garden.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
Yeah we'll push the armor element up a narrow road. What can possibly go wrong?
@vk2ig
@vk2ig 2 года назад
Or what went on near Waco a few decades ago.
@steve1311
@steve1311 2 года назад
My father's a pilot on a C-47. He towed one and sometimes two gliders at D DAY and market garden. I toured one in a Houston museum one day , scary for sure.
@USAAFLANGFORDLODGEHC
@USAAFLANGFORDLODGEHC 2 года назад
Amazing, a brave man, was he in the 9th AF with one of the troop carrier groups? I've researched the 442nd TCG, I also have the unit record, if your father was in the 442nd I'd be happy to send it to you. Cheers.
@rabbicovidstein4421
@rabbicovidstein4421 2 года назад
your father was a good gentile
@steve1311
@steve1311 2 года назад
@@USAAFLANGFORDLODGEHC My father was in the , 91st troop carrier squadron, 439th troop carrier group.
@jameswalters9516
@jameswalters9516 2 года назад
My Father was in the 9th Air Force 437th Troop Carrier Group on D-Day. He dropped the 82nd and 101st Air Borne and also Towed Gliders in. He survived the war and went on to be in the Korean War and Vietnam. He retired in 1968 from the Air Force. I have been to the Silent Wings Glider Museum in Lubbock, Texas and missed seeing anything about Glider Reuse Programs....Thank you Mark Felton for this Video inlightening us on this subject.
@steve1311
@steve1311 2 года назад
@@jameswalters9516 my father also was in the Korean War. He was in England with the 810 bomb group. Flew b 50 bomber with an a bomb to Russia for 93 days in a row.
@craigalbrechtson5364
@craigalbrechtson5364 2 года назад
I'm far from an expert, but the biggest problem with Market-Garden is that there was little if any room for error. Every part had to succeed or the whole thing would fail. Monty screwed up and he was just trying to save face.
@2bigbufords
@2bigbufords 2 года назад
He screwed up every time he was in charge
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
The whole plan was hair brained and impossible in practice. Maybe if there were no Germans it could have worked. But there were, so it didn't. It didn't even take a lot of Germans to completely screw it up. Relying on that one road to move the ground element was foolhardy. That was no normal road over normal ground. It was a raised road over soggy ground. Which made it a shooting gallery.
@bloodybones63
@bloodybones63 2 года назад
Right, but everyone knew he had failed. The Brits still ashamed of that.
@varoonk5
@varoonk5 2 года назад
Gentlemen! This is a story you will tell your grandchildren and mightily bored they will be! 😉 Many thanks to Dr Felton for this gem 😀
@2bigbufords
@2bigbufords 2 года назад
Ha, good one, nice reference
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 года назад
I see you remember that great line from "A Bridge Too Far" too!
@frankpinmtl
@frankpinmtl 2 года назад
Loved Edward Fox in that role
@wayneantoniazzi2706
@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 года назад
@@frankpinmtl One of his best!
@johnclair8546
@johnclair8546 2 года назад
A relative and I visited The Silent Wings Museum in Terrell, Texas before its relocation. The museum had interesting displays of memorabilia and a restored glider. The glider pilots were often chaps disqualified from flight school due to eyesight or other reasons. But in reality, they were exceptionally capable, sticking one-try landings while overloaded with men and equipment. As an aside, my relative had grown up working in the fields not far away, watching the English fliers train to return home for the war. As always, another excellent Mark Felton video.
@seanosborn3272
@seanosborn3272 2 года назад
It's now located outside of Lubbock, I've visited several times as well, great museum!
@vk2ig
@vk2ig 2 года назад
One of the guys Robert Mason flew with in Vietnam - as recounted in his book _Chickenhawk_ - was in flight school in the US during WW2 when one day his whole class was shipped out to glider school. There they were ... flying powered trainers one day, and the next day practicing in gliders. The guy flew a glider onto a battle field in the Pacific, and then went on to fly fighters in Korea and helicopters in Vietnam.
@racer14glr91
@racer14glr91 2 года назад
I'd have hated having to ride one of these in WW2! Terrifying! Having being Airborne qualified in '89. Give me a parachute.
@richardsimpson3792
@richardsimpson3792 2 года назад
Ironically, in the US Army, the parachutists got flight pay, and the glider troops didn't. Given that a glider landing was basically a controlled crash, it should have been the other way around.
@Kingmick58
@Kingmick58 2 года назад
Bleeding heck. Surfing U tube and Mark has been on for 11 minutes. 1.5k views. Good Lord. Must be a "must watch' jobbie. And it is!
@TheWalterKurtz
@TheWalterKurtz 2 года назад
The failure of Marketgarden does not diminish the effort and sacrifice of those that conducted the entire operation.
@Cazador60140
@Cazador60140 2 месяца назад
Yes they did it for our Fried dom
@TheWalterKurtz
@TheWalterKurtz 2 месяца назад
@@Cazador60140; To give half of Europe to the Russians.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
No one that reviewed the plan for Market Garden heard the part about the narrow road? Seems like a colossal oversight to me.
@657449
@657449 2 года назад
My father serviced in Iceland for two years in the Signal Corp and his unit was shipped to England and he was attached to the 101sr Airborne as a glider trooper. He never mentioned any combat jumps but the training flights weren’t fun. I remember him saying that the glider pilots had flunked out of bomber school.
@richardsimpson3792
@richardsimpson3792 2 года назад
The British glider pilots were trained as airborne soldiers, then taught to fly, IIRC.
@donweatherwax9318
@donweatherwax9318 Год назад
If there really was a tendency to "assign the dropouts to the gliders", that might have played a big part in making gliders more dangerous than they already were. Contrast that with Wing Commanders Richard Seys (USAAF) and Fowler Gobeil (RCAF), the pilot and co-pilot on that thoroughly insane _transatlantic_ glider flight (Newfoundland to Scotland, by way of Greenland and Iceland) that Mr. Felton covers in another video. Those guys were flying through insane storms and fog the whole way, sometimes unable even to see the C-47 that was towing them. Think how physically and mentally exhausting that flight must have been. Those guys weren't dropouts from anything, I'll bet. (Even if Seys was assigned to that insanely risky mission by his father-in-law, which is darkly hilarious. Shades of Col. Moodus & Gen. Dreedle in _Catch-22._ )
@waltie1able
@waltie1able 2 года назад
It is amazing to me how little Germany could think that it could fight the entire might of the Soviet Union, the United States and the British Empire of 1944. Germany was out numbered by what, 8 to 1 or was it 7 to 1. Such ingenuity by the Americans and British, amazing. Thank you Mark Felton, your stories are wonderful.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
It was Germany and Japan at that point. Every other person that died in WW2 was a Russian.
@johnking1463
@johnking1463 2 года назад
Some one should have gifted Mr. Hitler with a World Almanac in 1932 or 1933.
@spankflaps1365
@spankflaps1365 2 года назад
Back in those days (including before the war) recycling and re-use of everything was a normal part of culture.
@Cazador60140
@Cazador60140 2 месяца назад
I will bet $5.00 cdn that when Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy can not find room to stow all the money we sent he will raise the white flag a a true hero because Ukrainians are tired of fighting and dying . Also making a deal with Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. Furthermore humiliating the West and ATO's lead nazi Jens Stoltenberg . Poor Canadians you will never see your money again and continue to sleep on the streets pennyless and hungry , but it was for a good reson being your freedom , remember. And for our distinguished French Canadians who do not speak English Je parie 5,00 $ CAN que lorsque Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy ne trouvera plus d'endroit ou cacher tout l'argent que vous avons envoyé, il hissera le drapeau blanc comme un vrai héri parce que les Ukrainiens en ont assez de se battre et de mourir., il cocluera également un accord avec Vladimir Vladimirovitch Poutine. En outre, l'Occident et le leader nazi de l'ATO, Jens Stoltenberg, seront humiliés. Pauvres Canadiens, vous ne reverrez plus jamais votre argent et vous continuerez à dormir dans la rue sans le sou et affamés, mais c'était pour une bonne cause, c'est votre libertté, rappelez-vous.
@jons9721
@jons9721 2 года назад
Can't believe it was ever considered to be economically or militarily valuable to try and reuse non-engined aircraft which I would assume were mostly made of wood. Surely it would have just made sense to have broken down those that were useful for spare parts and left the rest than resources on engineers, aircraft, and fuel in flying them back to base
@AtheistOrphan
@AtheistOrphan 2 года назад
The British gliders were of wood construction, but the American Waco ‘Hadrian’ used an all-metal frame.
@istoppedcaring6209
@istoppedcaring6209 2 года назад
these were still hard to make, what i would have expected is that they be dissassembled and reassembled and loaded onto trucks instead surely they would know what was worth it and what wasn't
@jons9721
@jons9721 2 года назад
@@istoppedcaring6209 From the video I'm not sure they did still I always thought gliders were one use and disposable. It just feels like the sort of thing the resource short Germans might do
@kimwit1307
@kimwit1307 2 года назад
In the dutch movie 'De slag om de Schelde' (english title = the forgotten battle) there is a scene of these glisers being towed and what that was like, especially under fire. I mean, no armor whatsoever on those things.
@HeFromNorwayz
@HeFromNorwayz 2 года назад
Pre-emtively saying good work Mark, Keep up the good work!
@nathangreer8219
@nathangreer8219 2 года назад
There is an unrestored Waco glider in my local WW2 aviation museum here in Idaho. It was converted into a camping trailer at one point!
@expandedhistory
@expandedhistory 2 года назад
As a history lover and history channel, you’re always learning some new that you never knew about! That’s the beautiful thing about history. I never even considered or heard of recovering the gliders from Operation Market Garden. Outstanding job Dr. Felton!
@brianb2837
@brianb2837 2 года назад
This is fascinating Mark. I always wondered what happened to all the gliders that were used in Market Garden and other airborne drops where they were used.
@LesSharp
@LesSharp 2 года назад
I always assumed they got incorporated in the homes or greenhouses of the thrifty Dutch farmers that hosted them. Great material as always from Mark!
@Fordnan
@Fordnan 2 года назад
Unfortunately, the German troops set fire to them. The metal parts can still be found on the landing sites.
@jameswalters9516
@jameswalters9516 2 года назад
After WWII there were Gliders and other aircraft unused still in their shipping crates in the U.K. and the U.S. They were surplused and auctioned off. There are stories where farmers bought the crated aircraft....drug them out of their crates and burned the gliders only wishing to use the crates for chicken shacks and other livestock shelters. There is a RU-vid video of a museum finding a chicken shack crate and they obtained it for restoration in their glider museum.
@robinbrowne5419
@robinbrowne5419 3 месяца назад
Timeless! Although I somehow missed this episode 2 years ago, it is just as interesting today as it was then. Thanks for posting these interesting and educational videos. 🙂👍
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 2 года назад
"A Bridge too far"
@bernardomontesdeoca130
@bernardomontesdeoca130 2 года назад
Flying a C-47 at low altitude, at speed, to hook up with a glider and pick it up. Just an average workday back then. Hot damn
@jmcclure55
@jmcclure55 2 года назад
You never cease to amaze me with presenting WWII knowledge I hadn't learned before. Thank you, sincerely.
@casparcoaster1936
@casparcoaster1936 2 года назад
those glider snatch video shots were really cool, many thanks!! (sometimes i worry abut why i enjoy this obscurata so much)
@IHUTCHI
@IHUTCHI 2 года назад
OK So as an aircraft mechanic let me just say that glider recovery sounds like the crap end of the stick as far as maintenance details go. I feel for those guys working out in the rain and artillery fire!
@markiesmith4537
@markiesmith4537 2 года назад
Great video - Can you imagine the trepidation of a glider pilot sitting in a patched up machine waiting for a C47 to fly over and pick up your tow rope! You would imagine yourself about to be catapulted into the nearest tree!
@grantm6514
@grantm6514 2 года назад
Nothing compared to the trepidation of the C47 pilot wondering if the glider will take off as planned, or if it'll pull the C47 out of air.
@markthompson8656
@markthompson8656 2 года назад
ROTFL I can really see that in my mind!
@Scr33d
@Scr33d 2 года назад
Interesting as always. Especially in interest from the allied nations to repurpose and repair war equipment to not waste precious materials. To bad it's a fsr cry from todays military where the military industrial complex has started to lock software and repairs behind heavily profited repair services performed by civilans.
@Michael_______
@Michael_______ 2 года назад
Really? Tell me more
@vk2ig
@vk2ig 2 года назад
It has an interesting impact on the logistic tail, and it's a real balancing act between transport and cost. On one hand, replacement items must be transported to the AO, and failed items transported from the AO for repair, as there are no forward repair bases containing sufficiently skilled, uniformed personnel. On the other hand, if the military was able to fix its own kit like it used to, then one would need a field workshop and all spare parts plus skilled personnel transported to the AO or a forward repair base not far from the AO. Regardless, I can see some manufacturers definitely profiting by locking down the software and repair activities. And it looks good for any high-level commanders and a Defence Minister / Secretary for Defence who are under pressure to downsize the services if they can say "We 'market tested' (that's the current euphemism) that function, and found it's best performed by industry as it releases uniformed personnel for front line duty and also reduces the training burden." Win-win ...
@Scr33d
@Scr33d 2 года назад
@@Michael_______ Gladly, my opinion is based on a video made by Louis Rossmann and some other pieces. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KUimL241hNs.html He is big within the "Right to Repair" movement in the US and while his expertise is within Apple products he talks about other fields as well. The video has sources in the description and comments from veterans who serviced equipment. I also recall the time AOC called out military contractor TransDigm for a 1411$ markup on a 32$ brake disc part. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pefFs4lqvz0.html DoD contractors has also been under fire for costing up to three times more than military specialist in the same field.
@SuperFullin
@SuperFullin 2 года назад
Absolutely amazing video. Thanks much for your efforts to pull this together. Cheers from Brazil.
@spg1026
@spg1026 2 года назад
Dr Felton is the definition of unbiased reporting of historical topics. No one is perfect but great thought and research are on display in each of Dr Felton’s videos. I know that I can trust the title of each video to not be switch bait to get me to click on. When today’s environment of changing history to fulfill certain political agenda’s is taken into consideration that you can’t trust anything or anyone without doing your own research this is one channel I don’t have to do anything but just watch to learn something new. Dr Felton takes out bias and just presents everyone with real history. For a man from across the pond to report on Operation Market Garden without painting to rosy of a picture of it and stay on task about glider’s reuse is fabulous. Thanks.
@seanbrautigan7906
@seanbrautigan7906 2 года назад
And when he does do a bait and switch title, he says so within the first 10 seconds, along the lines of "Yes, you read that right, but it's a little more complicated than that..." which is totally fine in my book!
@robertphillips6296
@robertphillips6296 2 года назад
“First out where the paratroopers!” When a glider was clearly visible already on the ground.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
Just because the glider is on the ground doesn't mean anyone actually got out of it.
@Fordnan
@Fordnan 2 года назад
@@1pcfred The narration is incorrect, if it's referring to the landings north of the Rhine, in any case. Glider-borne troops were to secure the drop zone at Ginkel Heath, which they managed - briefly - before being overwhelmed by the old men and boys apparently on the verge of surrender...
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
@@Fordnan never underestimate old men and boys.
@rockwest001
@rockwest001 2 года назад
Getting picked up by a plane flying over.... that's so crazy! the forces put on both planes, must be a very frightening moment for both pilots. Incredible that the planes don't get ripped apart!
@frostyfrost4094
@frostyfrost4094 2 года назад
7.50 shows the tow lugs pulled away from the airframe, strain must of been incredible 0 to 70++ mph in a few seconds
@rockwest001
@rockwest001 2 года назад
@@Elatenl think that was from the cable coming back toward the cockpit after snapping
@garywagner2466
@garywagner2466 2 года назад
By 1958, the Fulton aerial retrieval system, or "Skyhook", was picking up humans the same way. Must have been quite the experience.
@rockwest001
@rockwest001 2 года назад
@@Elatenl how sure? I think there had to be. For keeping it airborne and for landing.
@LesSharp
@LesSharp 2 года назад
@@Elatenl that was when the shock cord sprang back and punched the glass out. Look at 4x4 recoveries gone wrong, happens way more often than good sex.
@marcuswardle3180
@marcuswardle3180 2 года назад
There has been a book written recently that puts the failure of Market Garden at the feet of Gen. Gavin of the 82nd Airborne. It was his confused commands on the day and his decision to move his troops to the Groesbeek Heights led to the failure to capture the bridge.
@Fordnan
@Fordnan 2 года назад
An operation that required everything to go right saw more than one thing go wrong. Gavin is due some criticism, but it was an appalling waste of some of the very best British and Polish troops in particular.
@geodes4762
@geodes4762 Год назад
This plan was doomed when 1st British Airborne allowed the RAF to dictate where their drop zone would be. Urqhart should have never agreed to having his division dropped miles fro his bridge objective forcing them to waste valuable time and resources making their way over ground to reach the bridge!
@nzsaltflatsracer8054
@nzsaltflatsracer8054 2 года назад
Holy crap, I wonder how that glider pilot was on the receiving end of the tow line!
@paca_bill4863
@paca_bill4863 2 года назад
0 to 120 in a second or so, and they probably didn't have suspension webbing or very good seats. Talk about whiplash!
@nmarbletoe8210
@nmarbletoe8210 2 года назад
Perhaps the pilot jumped aboard after the glider was yanked off the ground.
@michaelwoodward5787
@michaelwoodward5787 2 года назад
My grandfather was on one of those gliders.🇺🇸
@hammyh1165
@hammyh1165 2 года назад
I visited Nijmegen and Arnhem to see the battlefields , a very interesting and somber tour , it was good to meet veterans too and hear their stories.
@erotzoll
@erotzoll 2 года назад
My mother had a cousin who was a glider pilot. He returned after the war with white hair. He was in his 20s.
@collinczech1263
@collinczech1263 2 года назад
Loved the video Mark. The Waco (pronounced Wah-Co) airplane company has a very interesting history. Initially they made biplanes in Troy Ohio, near the wright brothers's Dayton. They designed their glider for the war, subcontracted it out, and pretty much disappeared.
@collinczech1263
@collinczech1263 2 года назад
There is a Museum for them still in Troy Ohio, and the reminants of the company became part of BF Goodrich, now Collins Aerospace, and they now make the Wheels and Brakes (Ironic) for nearly every airplane.
@MarkFeltonProductions
@MarkFeltonProductions 2 года назад
So I did get the pronunciation correct this time!
@collinczech1263
@collinczech1263 2 года назад
@@MarkFeltonProductions Yes. Second time is the charm.
@ML-fx2qo
@ML-fx2qo Год назад
@@MarkFeltonProductions Yes. It is correct. Three pronunciations out there ... Way Co, Wack O, and Wah Co. Last one is it. I better know, my father flew them in Operations Detroit, Dragoon, Market and Varsity. One could say he was Wack O.
@kevinaustin5342
@kevinaustin5342 2 года назад
WACo (Weaver Aircraft Company) is correctly pronounced "WAH-CO"... not "WACKO" (or worse yet... "WAYCO" like the Texas city). FWIW, I would not feel safe piloting a hastily patched glider back to a repair facility
@roscoewhite3793
@roscoewhite3793 2 года назад
Two episodes within 24 hours? The Fates have blessed us!
@vk2ig
@vk2ig 2 года назад
Same. I just finished watching and commenting on a Mark Felton video and then another one turns up in my feed!!!!
@JohnSmith-yv6eq
@JohnSmith-yv6eq Год назад
Literally where the concept of the 4WD KERR (Kinetic Energy Recovery Rope) came from... the original "snatch strap"....
@geemanbmw
@geemanbmw 2 года назад
This channel is the Gold Standard.
@OldWolflad
@OldWolflad 6 месяцев назад
How on earth can anyone consider the 82nd Division successful? As you stated. They relied on 30 Corps to take Nijmegen Bridge
@Natureviewmovie
@Natureviewmovie 2 года назад
Great video, as always. I really like them. One sort of related question: if Market Garden had succeeded and they would have crossed the river Rhine, they would still have to cross one more river before they could enter Germany: the river IJssel. A river that is also quite wide near Arnhem. I’ve never seen any plans how they wanted to tackle that problem. Does anyone know?
@eze8970
@eze8970 2 года назад
Fair point. If Arnhem is under Allied control, then there appears to be some crossing points nearby. Effectively, it's all about racing the Germans North to the main crossing & outflanking points. I'd imagine the main point would be to get over the Rhine, & split the German forces in two, bottling up those major forces to the West/along coast, without those the Germans are in even more serious trouble.
@Natureviewmovie
@Natureviewmovie 2 года назад
@@eze8970 yes, there are bridges over the IJssel, of course. But they can be blown up as well (just as they were afraid the Germans would do with the bridges over the other large rivers). It just seems weird to make all that effort to get possession of the first bridges ms to forget that there is one more river to cross. Because when you’re in Arnhem, you still can’t just waltz into Germany without crossing a large river.
@eze8970
@eze8970 2 года назад
@@Natureviewmovie The main thing for the Allies was to split the German forces, & get over the largest river. The confusion this would cause would help their advance later on. I do agree it looks odd on the map, but they just didn't have the capability to do the extra river, they struggled with 3. As the saying goes 'we'll cross that bridge when we come to it'!
@JD_79
@JD_79 2 года назад
This looks like one of those cases where you spend $100 in fuel to tow back a wreck worth $15.
@bigbaddms
@bigbaddms 2 года назад
Not only that, but the whole operation market garden was a pretty big failure. And that was done with brand new perfect gliders. So now let’s salvage damaged gliders, using valuable men and materiel, to repeat a failed operation?
@1pcfred
@1pcfred 2 года назад
Fuel was one thing the Allies had a lot of.
@vk2ig
@vk2ig 2 года назад
@@bigbaddms A friend of mine's father, who was a wireless operator in the war (but not in the European theatre) told me that the radios weren't even fitted with the correct crystals so the various units supposed to link up couldn't even talk to each other. If that's the case, then that would be up there with the USN BuOrd's torpedoes ...
@leemichael2154
@leemichael2154 2 года назад
Just started reading the castle of the eagles, took me a while to get round to it and I'm glad I did, cheers for the top notch content proffeser Felton!
@hansgruber650
@hansgruber650 2 года назад
A gentleman I knew from the neighborhood George Vanderslice was a Medic with the 506PIR 101st Airborne and jumped into Holland armed with a Colt 45ACP that he personally showed me though in general Medics were not armed. Another page here SNAFU DOCS did a story about his experience in Belgium and I was able to contact the author in Netherlands with photos of George in uniform so he can update the story. George was active until death with the Southeastern Penna. Chapter 101st Airborne Division Association. Screaming Eagle decals were all on the bumper of his car.
@briansmith2125
@briansmith2125 2 года назад
This is a truly fascinating factoid you cannot find anywhere else. Thank you for your work Mark!
@l.a.raustadt518
@l.a.raustadt518 2 года назад
Uncle was a glider rider , double tow into Germany Operation "Plunder"(Varsity). 17th ABN 194th GIR Co.B
@Rayrard
@Rayrard 2 года назад
That glider snatching with the tow plane must have been dangerous as I'm sure the towplane received great drag and pull back when it engaged the glider, and I'm sure if the glider decided to shed a wing or flip that could be bad for the tow plane at very low altitude if he lost control even just briefly.
@floydvaughn836
@floydvaughn836 2 года назад
And, there was a pilot in the glider as well. They must've ferried them back and forth.
@vk2ig
@vk2ig 2 года назад
That's why they used a bungee cord to convert some of the tow plane's kinetic energy to potential energy without pulling it out of the sky. Then that (stored) potential energy would assist with launching the glider. Physics works ...
@funkervogt47
@funkervogt47 2 года назад
Doesn't sound like it was worth it. The ground crews probably should have cut the gliders into pieces that were small enough to fit in flatbed trucks, then the trucks should have driven it back into safe Allied territory where usable components could have been removed.
@davidmurray5399
@davidmurray5399 Год назад
The Market-Garden operation was an enlarged version of a previous plan, Operation Comet. Neither one was regarded as likely to be successful by many of the airborne officers in both the British and American divisions
@andrefiset3569
@andrefiset3569 2 года назад
The mayor of St-Louis and 8 prominent members of the community died during a flight demonstration on a faulty locally build Waco glider in 1943. Not a good publicity stunt.
@1pierosangiorgio
@1pierosangiorgio 2 года назад
I learned something today !thanks!
@patrickb1303
@patrickb1303 2 года назад
The Germans there are mostly children and old men so I think everything will work out fine. Montgomery wouldn’t have his intel completely backwards, that would be ungentlemanly of him….
@dickdastardly635
@dickdastardly635 2 года назад
Oh Mark , i hate it when you mention Montgomerys name as some sort of Master Tactician. This was another of his failures, among with capturing Caen, operation Goodwood. A mediocre General at best. And his conduct after the War, obliging the town of Montgomery Alabama to ask for their Medal to be returned.
@Aveplav123
@Aveplav123 2 года назад
My grandfather worked for the electrical grid company in Arnhem right before the war. His job was considered essential so he wasn't drafted. He even got an early promotion to escape conscription into the German army. During Market Garden the Nazi's forced him and his colleagues to dig trenches but they ended up being used only by the British during their fights and he was very proud of that fact.
@jw8304
@jw8304 2 года назад
I've often wondered what it was like for the soldiers liberating Arnhem in 1945, seeing the aftermath of Market Garden - particularly the fields of gliders around Wolfheze (assuming they weren't collected and destroyed by the Germans).
@Fordnan
@Fordnan 2 года назад
The gliders at Wolfheze were unfortunately burnt by the Germans. After the Rhine was crossed further upstream in March of 1945, German forces would have moved outfrom Arnhem. Sadly, Arnhem suffered terribly in the winter of 1944/1945. It's something the veterans felt deeply depressed by.
@donaldbarden6294
@donaldbarden6294 2 года назад
Operation Market Garden. Referred to by my great-uncle 101st paratrooper, et al, as Montgomery’s Folly!
@lairdsteele2817
@lairdsteele2817 2 года назад
I’d want to be standing pretty far back when the plane came in to pick the glider up those guys were ballsy when that tow rope snapped back
@donweatherwax9318
@donweatherwax9318 Год назад
I lol'd at the message some wag (probably one of the more doubtful salvage pilots) painted onto one of the gliders being prepared for takeoff. (glimpsed briefly just after 6:20 )
@scottadler
@scottadler 2 года назад
Ultimately, only one man was responsible for this disaster, and that was Montgomery, the man who ordered it, and the most overrated general in modern history. I can't think of anything he did after El Alamein that was in any way competent.
@cgross82
@cgross82 2 года назад
Joe Public usually only pays attention to the combat troops and their operations, but no army can win without effective logistical support!
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