I would have never guessed that I would watch a video, let alone be interested, that goes in depth about using hog rings. Masters of their craft are just cool to enjoy, no matter the topic. Nice job!
One of the best videos from Munro yet. Carl’s understanding of manufacturing is evident and his cogent explanation of the cost difference is fantastic. I know you sell the details but this begins to explain why rivian can’t make money More please
As an owner of an Ioniq 5 limited. The passenger headrest does not have the fore/aft movement. And the driver's headrest is often very tricky to get to move, since you have to push it in that arcing motion. Even knowing that it moves, it can take me a few minutes to do it if I haven't in a while
It helps if you get yourself into the backseat and the push up and forward on the headrest, then you should get it to move. After som practice its easy to do it while sitting in the driver seat.
The headrest mechanism was probably not locked up. You mentioned that you couldn't "rotate" the headrest. It does not rotate, it's pretty unique in that it actually translates linearly. You have to press the headrest almost perfectly diagonal (forward+up) to get it to move. If you try to "tilt" the headrest or fail to push it EXACTLY the right direction it feels like it's locked up solid. Arguably this is not very good design because the user interface is not "inductive" (doesn't guide the user toward correct operation, either get it right or nothing happens). Also, the passenger headrest on US market cars does NOT have this mechanism. Just like the passenger seat does not have the leg rest while in other markets both seats have them. I'm actually surprised by the number of differences between US market vehicles and the domestic Korean market vehicles.
I have an IONIQ 5 limited, the exact same one he disassembled. The mechanism wasn’t locked up, he just didn’t know how to use it (it’s very unique and difficult to figure out, but once you do you never forget). The passenger seat does not have the mechanism, driver only
I have to admit, I really like the rivan seats, they really fit the look of the vehicle !!! I've always been a person who looks for the most efficient way to get things done. So I agree that cheaper parts don't always equal savings in production. Great review !!
Prior to Munro Live, never did I imagine in my wildest dreams see myself as being the sort of person who'd willingly (& regularly) spend time watching teardown analysis videos about motor vehicles. The team really does a brilliant job of bringing what would ordinarily be the driest of topics to life. Thanks Karl and Co.
Great video Carl. Never thought I'd find car interior design to be of interest, but you do a great job explaining things and help understand the costs of things going into cars. Sandy, can we get this guy a portable AC unit, poor Carl is dripping in sweat. Thanks for another informative video Munro, keep up the outstanding work. 👍
I think it was someone at Munro, maybe Carl, that once said to my surprise that the seats in a Chrysler Pacifica were more expensive than the entire drivetrain. My hot button is interior feel/look/quality and I am willing to pay for that. I have not seen a Rivian in person, but I really like the look of their interiors.
My dad was in the car business.... His favorite saying was " There's an ass for every seat" He meant that there is someone who will always buy the turquoise convertible...
Can car seats be interesting? - OK, so you took the challenge - and WON. The truely amazing driver's seat, with so much going on and I just sit there for miles and miles - clueless as to the impressive engineering and construction challenges that are in a car seat. Impressive. Thank you for upping my brain game, while I just sit!
Fantastic video! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻as an owner of an Ioniq5 it is great to see how this car has been put together. I really enjoy these episodes!(European version however has some different components from US version, real lether seats mounted in the Netherlands for instance, adjustable headrests instead of fixed ones at the back seats, and a drawer instead of a door for the dashboard glove compartment.)
The rears are adjustable in Canada, so I would assume they are in the USA also. Only in height though. I wish they folded down like in other cars such to not obstruct rearward visibility.
Thanks for the reviews and keep them coming! It is great content to inspire us engineerings to make better seats or whatever for cars, planes and spacecraft.
Great discussion on a vehicle component that we take for granted, but is highly engineered for safety. The Munro team keeps showing that they are amazing, thanks Carl!
POSTING HERE BECAUSE MOST RECENT VIDEO And maybe you'll see it. Munro, It was just announced that Tesla placed an order to Seoyeon E-Hwa for Cybertruck A, B & C pillar parts. Order is worth $227M US (3year supply contract). Please make video on what "volume" this represents! Munro know's better than anyone what these parts cost for Tesla 3/Y. Add a bit more for being larger. Divided by $227M should give us a figure how many pieces this is and how many Cybertrucks it will build representing this 3year contract. Thanks
The “glove box” or drawer on the Rivian seat makes up for the lack of one on the dash. But my old Audi had them 17 years ago. As for comfort, any Saab seat was always better. Thank you for the review.
Dodge Caravans have had *both* for decades. 🤷 My first time owning a different car it was somewhat shocking to me to find the "wasted" space under the seat. 🤣
Very good; only comment is to try make it a bit clearer which vehicle a part that is being commented on is better defined. There were times when I couldn't tell which source vehicle was involved.
The headrest, when seated on the seat all you have to do is reach your hand behind your head and to the top of the headrest and pull the top of the headrest the direction of the front of you/car. The guy explaining that it locked up was pushing it toward the back (if you really expected to push toward the back... that's a safety concern...)... had that kind of headrest on my grandpa's 2002 EF Sonata.
Carl is a very capable and decent host. What bumps me are the abrupt stops between the lines (maybe its his style of presenting) but I miss the continuity or softer pauses in delivery some other presenters like Jordan or Cory have on this channel. Minor thing when you have quality content.
These details were fascinating. Consumers seldom get to understand the durability, costs, manufacturing, labor involved with the different components in their cars. One missing piece information about this comparison among seats is my wife's main concern: the comfort and quality of how the seat feels to the occupant. She does NOT like the seats in our Model 3, and is hoping we can transition to a more comfortable EV in the future.
Your wife is not the only one who doesn't/didn't like the seats on the Model 3 comfort wise. That is why I found myself buying the Ioniq 5 instead of the Model 3 at the same price point, after testing both. More space and comfort on the loniq 5 on the long run. Always test the cars you buy :). Not everyones needs are the same, therefore all the differents brands and differences. Cool review from Monroe Live. Expecting more !!!
@@LISTAMEA100 Thanks! I have test driven an Ioniq 5, and am really impressed with it. My wife said the seats were better than the Model 3, but not yet sure they are "cushy" enough for her. Honestly, we've driven our Model 3 for 5 years, and I'd switch to an Ioniq 5 Limited in a heartbeat *IF* I could just find one in our preferred configuration anywhere near us. So far… no luck. The closest one is well over 350 miles away. Bummer. As far as I'm concerned, the only advantage that the Model 3 has over it is… the Supercharger network. That, we hope, will change over time.
@@Yanquetino The other advantage is the Tesla is not made by Hyundai/Kia. Those who've gone through or are still going through the Theta2 engine debacle (ran out of rebuild-able engine blocks though somehow Independent/Non-OEM shops are able to true them and re-manufacture them) or the electrical fires burning out their ICE vehicles while parked (up to about 6 million vehicles known to be involved and counting) along with Hyundai/Kia not doing a very good job at making things right and leaving some folks completely hanging with a "So Sad So Bad... Your on your own" response, despite all their bragging on their warranties, are not likely to trust them. You can look this up to see what some folks are currently going through trying to get Hyundai/Kia to fix these horrific design defects. Its going to require quite a few more years before I'd put them back in the "Circle of Trust" again and its going to take a bit more than just Slick Advertising and Glitz (such as a bigger touch screen than Honda) or a more comfortable seat to regain that trust. Best!
@@neilfromclearwaterfl81 Hmmm. It kinda sounds like you're saying Edmonds (top Rated SUV 2023), CarBuzz (2022 People's Car Award), Kelly Blue Book (2023 Best Buy Award), Car and Driver (2022 EV of the Year), Motor Trend (2023 SUV of the Year), World Car Awards (2022 World Car, World Design, World EV of the Year), Autotrader (Best New Cars 2022), Germany (2022 Car of the Year), Hispanic Motor Press (Electric Vehicle of the Year) have all been fooled by the Hyundai Ioniq 5. I guess time will tell. I might have to rethink my preferences!
@@Yanquetino Some of the vehicles bursting into flames and experiencing catastrophic engine failure were highly rated initially too however they're still bursting into flames, etc. Their track record currently when dealing with massive problems due to taking cost cutting to an extreme along with whatever else drove those decisions isn't very good right now. They skimped on the piston skirts on the Theta2 engines and tried to overcome that with a strip of Teflon(ish) coating on the skirt (which sorta worked for around 30,000 miles or so) instead of correcting the problem created by specifying pistons that were far too short for a long stroke engine. The connecting rods were a bit wispy too plus they were prone to having the heads warp on top of it all. The fires impacting around 6 million or so ICE vehicles doesn't instill much confidence in their dedication towards building safe EV's either. How many weak links are they designing and building into their EV products if they still can't after all these years do a good job designing and building a safe 12 volt system? Wowing the magazine editors with a new flashy release is easier than standing the test of time. Best!
Carl, you didn't always indicate which vehicle brand you were referring to. So I couldn't tell whether Hyundai or Rivian were making a better seat. As a consumer, I was less interested in manufacturing cost. Thank you!
As a car salesman I can tell you that seats alone will sell a car and is a very big factor in purchase. Lost a lot of sales just over the look of the seat covering. Appearance will get people interested in getting someone to the dealership. But once you get them in the car you need to keep them there. That is why getting a test drive is vital to getting a sales. So once on test drive seats must be comfortable and ride of suspension and noise level will help get the car sold. Cannot overstate how important this is. So don’t get cheap on the seats.
Less than 10 yrs ago whoever though that a cars seats would be topic in a cars costs?We have to thank Tesla and Munros " Lean Design " philosophy , thank you Carl and the Munro Team , you rock!
It always has been behind the scenes. I remember when Crysler came out with their "universal" upholstry 25 years ago or so, and I thought it was genius. Instead of doing grey everything like Ford, they created upholstry that included half a dozen different colors in the design... the result was a neutral effect color like a grey, but it unified with different interior plastics colors. It also masked stains better than a solid color. Cost-wise, it meant that Chrysler could sell every color of interior in their stable with the same upholstry. For the seats it meant only the plastic trim at the bottom was a different color.
Bullshit!!!! There is literally tons and tons of videos about seats and seats types for all kinds of vehicles including aftermarket ones and more! Carbon fiber.... Nothing to do with Tesla or whatever!
Nice description. Comfortable seats are my biggest challenge. Do any manufacturers use Memory Foam for their seats? Would that be an improvement? Also, which automotive seat is the most comfortable for a guy your (and my) size?
A soft comfortable motorcycle seat will cause problems and most of them are. A firm, fitted seat will allow you to ride for days. Bicycle seats, similar.
I love these series of videos and thanks for having Ioniq 5 teardown. I would love to see 2025 facelift changes that come soon. Hyunday claims that changed a lot of stuff.
It’s not wrong. Hyundai USA marketing themselves says “Hyundai like Sunday”. They even ran it in a Super Bowl Ad. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vY-5dn3t4xM.html
About the headrest. You could take an X-ray and then you're certain whether it did not move due to the blow molding. It should be quite cheap for small objects.
Hello Carl, I like your videos a lot. I like how you show design decisions and pros and cons. It is the approach that I consider engineering in the best sense. I also like your concise style. I would like it even more, if you considered serviceability of the seats and failure-prone parts (like plastic gears, fragile heat mats, clogged fans, wearing surface material, loose cables interfering with feet of 2nd row passengers) in addition to manufacturing costs.
Car seats have come a long way, when I had my first car you had very basic forward and back and tilt manual operation, now you have electronics, heating, cooling, great things although I've never been in a modern vehicle or EV. The car I now own is 23 years old, it has height and lumbar adjustment, when I bought it I thought it was great.
Great video! Such a pity Hyundai's reputation has become so tarnished in the US due to local US decisions in that market (removing immobilizer, shortcuts in engine manufacture causing failure) since in other countries Hyundai/KIA have an excellent reputation, approaching that of Japanese cars. Let's hope they can rebuild their reputation.
Can the cover be put on while the foam is in a pressure environment, causing it to be compressed. I expect 5 psi or less is all the would be required. This would make attachment of covers easy to do without tension on the cover surface. Then the pressure in the vessel is released and the air in the foam expands and the foam fills out into the cover now restraining the foam. I am assuming they use closed cell foam with air trapped inside.
I would think that innerpart of the head part was to block the mechanism and they didn't design and let produce a new head holding frame because this solution with the mechanism buying of the shelf from the producer would always be cheaper, possible in combination with other of the shelf products? Great video and valuable for the makers to easy see cost saving potentials. Hope your report will sell wel!
As Sandy once said (when asked why he thinks it's such a good idea that Tesla makes everything - even the seats - in house): "There is gold in them thar seats!" ...small costs add up.
Plus Cory mentioned the benefits of in house design and build on company culture. Having every designer inside the same office vs having purchasing dept vs interior designer pits everyone against eachother
Bullshit!! Tesla doesn't make everything don't gobe everything you see on internet wtf!! Also there are tons of aftermarket or s'est makers which actually makes some seats according to customer requirements and those are also rigorously tested
@@nickwulf lol!!!! So some manufacturers just go and blindly buys seats without even testing or thinking about their interiors or functionalities!? Wtf!!!
I understand what you're saying about the hog ring being more costly due to the labor to install but I'm wondering if it might be more durable then a plastic clip.
I would accept the cheap, lightweight plastic sign board seat back, even if it was more prone to damage if it was easy to replace if damaged. I'd imagine that 98% of people will never punch thru that seat back, so the few people who do damage it, and do care to repair it can do so.
Given that Hyundai/Kia got their start in the US building and selling cars for less than most others, I’m not surprised they’re doing a good job at “value engineering” at least in something they know well, like seats. I’m guessing they’re likely going to stumble a bit when it comes to the drivetrain, especially since serviceability has historically been a priority for them. I’ve got to say though, even if Hyundai is doing a lot to reduce the cost to manufacture their interior, you really can’t tell. My Ioniq5 has a nicer feeling and much quieter (i.e. fewer rattles and much less road noise) than my Model 3 (both are the same age, too).
I think the rear seat backing with the plastic panel is not at all strong enough. I recently rented a Buick Enclave for a few weeks, and during that time I was doing some landscaping work in my house. Folded the second and third row seats down put in a tarp and loaded it up with 15 bags of paver base and 40 bags of mulch. I'm sure the Hyundai seat wouldn't have handled that.
