The Greatest Technique You Never Heard Of 

All potential errors in this video are on purpose, no need to point them out........

Everyone knows that the greatest tech in fighting games it to lie about frame data to make your opponent try an unsafe punish that doesn't work, obviously!

You had me sold at the fake hidden Q skill. I really believed it

Well done, very illustrative of how a myth can become "fact" so quickly. Hope to see this channel grow because we need more of this kind of content.

damn I really called that drastic my head is beyond empty lmao

I'm sorry, but if someone puts their voice and face into a 10-30 min or more video about video games with great editing and solid visual/audio quality, I can't help but just accept everything they say 😭😭😭

I was very suspicious when Kuroda, synonymous with the Greatest Q ever, was not mentioned in the Kenta Tech section.

I know this video is about fighting games, but this analysis applies to the way people consume information as a whole. We live in an age where nobody has the time to fact-check every piece of information that they see, but lots of the information they see is either poorly researched or deliberately misleading.

as a Q lover, I'm ashamed that I've never heard of kenta. Only knew kuroda

"character specific, situation specific, stage specific" *cries in T7 dragunov*

This actually got really disheartening to see at the points where people's excerpts about characters came through.

That last part with all the quotes of players who got trash talked really resonated with me. Been playing Elphelt in xrd for years and you wouldn't believe the amount of people who had the audacity to sit down and just start talking shit about ur character right next to you even at tournaments lmfao. I've had the pleasure of seeing stuff like that more on twitter lately cuz of the rollback announcement

Ah yes, gaslighting, my favorite technique

Shoutouts to bafeal.

Great video! I totally bought the opening, because I don't know anything about third strike. I feel like the greater point you're making is that it's important to think critically about information being distributed. It's interesting because that's something I try to do in real life, in fact I think it's one of the most important skills needed not to fall into harmful misinformation and propaganda. Interestingly, I clearly didn't do that enough when watching FGC-related entertainment. While it may ultimately matter little, it's a good reminder to stay vigilant and not turn one's brain off. Thanks!

Crazy how a video on fighting games gives a really comprehensive overview on how media informs bias

I know this was made a year-ish ago, but it popped up as a video and I thought is was well made. I agree on the thought of don't take everything as fact, as well as not bullying people for liking characters. As someone who likes playing characters like Arakune in Blazblue or even outside of Fighting games like enjoying KH or Sonic, it is rough when you enjoy something only to have what feels like everyone bullying you for liking it.

So nice to be able to watch videos about fighting games instead of having to play fighting games. So refreshing!

Grapplers are also in same kinda boat, most people hate them for some reason

Cool video! Interesting approach to how you got your point across, and I think you are definitely touching on something here. Keep up the good work.

I know this video is old, but that Cr.HP can't be "meaty" because it only has a single active frame.

So many times I've seen the "community consensus" on a character shift completely without any new development. Modern tier lists are also entirely dependent on who is strong in the local scene - I am constantly reminded that Japan placed Zangief and Abigail higher than the rest of the world for most of SF5's lifetime likely because Itazan was eating them all alive. It's not that there's no one you can trust, but the things that feel set in stone are often based on sand. The only true way to move forward is to go beyond content creators and make your own decisions on what's good/bad/gimmicky. But that's a bridge too far for a lot of people...

Holy shit this video was amazing. I remember seeing a post on the Tekken subreddit. It was a short clip of Devil Jin "evading" Jin's f4 with his u4. The comments were all in flames saying stuff like "DVJ is bullshit! U4 literally just evades all mids!". But, then you look at the context. I forget what move the Jin player used before f4, but it put him at slight frame disadvantage. Basically, the DVJ's u4 hit not because it crushed Jin's f4, but because it simply came out first... I tried mentioning this but the replies basically just continued to yell. I think that proves that on top of people just accepting what's at face-value, they will also refuse to change their mind once it's been made up. They probably didn't like DVJ already, so that video just served as confirmation bias. That as well as being roasted for playing Yoshimitsu (a character that takes a hell of a lot of lab time and game knowledge) meant that I pretty quickly stopped interacting with the global Tekken community completely. I just chat with my friends in my local scene now.

Its kinda impressive how some characters+its players are so hated while other similar characters aren't. As a Lei player I rarely get hatemails, its one or two being obviously annoyed, but the majority tell me they have actual fun playing against me and that they don't mind Lei players, even offline. And I ignorantly assumed Ling (and Puff and other evasive "joke" characters) had the same experience after all, but seeing how much hate they get is saddening

I just found your channel, your videos are incredible! I have to binge all of these

House Hexagon's "WoW's Forgotten Secret" video prepared me for the beginning of your video, but its crazy how easily a well spoken person with a well edited video can tell us anything they want and we'll believe it.

a message about thinking for yourself or at least not letting others do it for you.

I really, really hate you for making me believe that that was a thing for a second. That was about the coolest niche obscure piece of 3s information I've ever heard. I want it to be true. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

insane how high quality your videos are. i am so impressed

I'm very impressed with this one.

I got Kenta canceled by this video.

I don't know what's more impressive- that you lied to me twice, or that I fell for it both times. The second time around I genuinely said "DAMMIT" out loud.

This video blew my mind and was also the most interesting and well structured video I have seen in a verrrry long time

That was just about scientific literacy

Bait and switch into call-out post, now there's a combo

A good teq is buying a soundboard then getting your opponent into a discord call and playing sounds for different moves than your preforming

As a general grappler main (Potemkin in Strive, Bowser in SSBU, etc), I find it funny how many people will call you a scrub/noob/sweat after you beat them. Like it can be a 2000 lvl Ramlethal, but you're sweaty because they mash on wakeup. I think the general toxicity and saltiness people feel has a higher effect than potential misinformation when it comes to FGC bullying and mistreatment. The misinformation might give some undue validation to the haters, but people would have been toxic even without it. I think a lot of it comes from people hating on things that don't have simple, universal solutions. My BNB doesn't work on floaties? Why should I have to learn a new BNB for 10% of the characters? This character with no air or ground dash can destroy me if he gets in? Why can't my much more mobile character do the same amount of damage? You said it well: people hate what they don't understand. Many people don't understand why they're losing, don't understand a lesser-represented character, or simply don't understand why people play characters other than their own. Idk this was just flow of consciousness cause it's 5am, I should sleep lol.

Really appppppreciate this video. Thank you so much!

@10:47 was Kara Capture & Deadly Blow deliberately designed to go that far? And, were the 3S devs aware of the technique in the first place? The editing at the timestamp implies that C&DB has a longer startup to compensate for the range on Kara cancel, and I'm genuinely curious if that was a known and designed around thing at the time. (Also, sorry if that isn't actually Kara cancelled C&DB, it looks like it to me)

Very good video, excellent opening points.

I know I’m a year late and it’s weird to bring up but this reminds me of a video talking about Potemkin in Xrd and how he was bad, talking about his moves like trishula and ICBM. But having a training partner who mains the character I was very adamant to point out character things that were missing (there was quite a bit). The video was taking down and doesn’t exist anymore. I don’t remember who even made it

You gave me 2 plot twists with this and the most recent video about tag 2. I feel great.

Amazing vid, how are there not more eyes on this??? Thanks again for the quality homie

Being fairly new to the hobby I always look at things from the lens of if a character is in the game and allowed to do what they do the developer intended it otherwise they would have patched it or not included that move/character. I found the comment about the TO trashing a character choice and the player mentioning players not being used to new players as a big red flag. The hobby doesn't get bigger if people are going to be closed off about stupid things like character picks. Plus as much as a mirror match might be fun for some people watching two very different gameplans play out is a lot more viewer friendly.

Love this video !!

This is such a good video, the whole Twelve video thing was such a headache with how much missinformation was being spread

The greatest technique was the clickbait technique all along. And you have mastered it, I'm not even mad.

Shoutout to Unregistered Hypercam 2 for coming out of retirement for this brief cameo! Miss u Fam

i got so baked b4 i started watching this tysm 4 the twist

13:42 Gell-Mann Amnesia

This was so good!

Love your videos

Love this. Absolutely love this.

Good shit as always

This video was Hella good 🎉

You know damn well that the grab at 10:46 is a kara grab and super hard to pull off.

I keep coming back to this video months later and it only becomes more true as discourse rolls on. A masterpiece, honestly.

michael jackson is found alive and making fighting games videos

ahhhh this is my new favorite fighting game video, thank you for addressing this

this is a well-constructed video, and i definitely agree with the broad point that misinformation is the responsibility of both those spreading it and those accepting it. however, i take issue with the segment near the end using statements from players to demonstrate how misinformation can be harmful to the attitude the general playerbase of a game has towards a character-- while it certainly is unpleasant to be on the recieving end of this kind of behavior, i think that at best, this fact is irrelevant to the rest of the video, and at worst, misleading in terms of its purpose. nearly every excerpt in this section seems to be given in response to a prompt along the lines of, "how do other players treat you as a result of your character choice", which is a question which, to me, seems completely disconnected from the rest of the video if taken at face value. misinformation happens to all characters in any given game, and even if it is not evenly distributed, the evidence you've provided (on Q and twleve) would seem to suggest that it happens disproportionately to low tiers. however, among those who claim to face discrimination on the basis of character choice, many of them claim to play characters which are considered strong, while none claim to play characters which are considered weak. additionally, the concept of misinformation being relevant at all to this discrimination is never mentioned, even indirectly, by any of the anonymous interviewees; nearly every complaint seems to be made purely on the claim that people believe their character to be strong or cheap, without ever noting any false information involved in that claim, nor making any attempt to falsify it. this is why i would say that this section seems irrelevant to the rest of the video.

the editing is great.

Thats the most serious prank i ever seen

yeah I'm watching your stuff now after this

nice video man! i enjoyed it

This video just makes me happy that the Smash Club on my campus is incredibly wholesome in comparison to some other communities.

Subbing for that god tier mindfuck at the start

Came to see ancient fighting game techniques, stayed for the ‘tegridy

I have felt a lot of this recently playing Nagoriyuki in Guilty Gear Strive. I have been playing the character since launch and got p good at labbing out sequences for the character. People used to think I was cool for playing him, but recently so much of the discussion has turned into "my character being braindead" and "I'm being carried by him" invalidating the months and months of progress I made researching and practicing. Largely because Hotashi is an asshole, and Kizzy Kay/Jiyuna complains about everything.

Deadly Double Combination is one of the best supers of all time.

he had us in the first fifth

This needs to blow up

i will never visningar one of his videos ever again

Real good video as usual and even more relevant with the SOL discourse rn

This video applies to essays/ video analysis as a whole. Never accept something as fact without sufficient proof. You just got a new sub!

ya know, i was mad that ya fooled me at the start of the video lol but you earned a sub for quality content. very nice!

Thanks!

As somebody who doesn't really know that much about third strike, I'd always thought Bafael's video just came across as better than Leon Massey's. Bafael went more in depth about mechanics from Leon Massey's and kinda debunked some of his points. Leon makes a joke about X copy being twelve's best move because it makes you play as somebody else, Bafael points out that the move makes you EXTREMELY vulnerable after it finishes (iirc you take extra damage, and it's basically a free hit). As funny as the thought of "the ability to copy the opponents character is my best move!" is, it sadly wasn't true upon further inspection (from another video). And the comments on Massey's video, and tone in Bafael's script were there to point this out as the real fact. Leon Massey is still really talented at making his scripts and putting his thoughts into a video that flows really well but the twelve video is one I don't take the information in seriously. I've kinda grown to just naturally take fighting game videos about strength of characters with a grain of salt, though. I consciously try and assess whether or not the person has real experience (or at least good research) with the characters they're talking about. A lot of Leon's scripts I preferred over the twelve video are much more about whether or not the game he's talking about is fun and why. I don't even really take character strength that seriously anymore, in all honesty I'd rather optimize my gameplay in the match, and ability to read my opponent, rather than optimizing my gameplay on the character select screen.

How about the koopabackdashwaveslidehoverwalkmoonland in melee it makes it so characters with higher traction can slide on the ground longer than a normal wavedash

Best fgc video in years

I play Q and thought this was gonna be about kara cdb or crouch to stand airborne frames at first and really wanted to believe that something as jank as kenta cancel actually existed. I'm going to tell people it's real to see how often I can get away with it and cause mischief.

this video slaps :)

I love 3s gameplay and lore and when you said this was fake my fucking jaw dropped. Subbed!!!

great video

Good points

I played Dedede back when I played Smash Ultimate, who was a character I found surprisingly unique in a game with a lot of samey characters, despite an extremely common sentiment being that Dedede is "unfun to play against" and "absolutely toxic" and "a mindless spammer". And a lot of my gameplan revolved around the use of a move called Gordo, which is this spiky ball that DDD throws out, and works as a bouncing projectile. It bounces very high, and you can control the angle and speed which the Gordo moves. Holding to the side keeps Gordo nearby the ground like a more standard projectile, hitting down before it comes out gives it a much higher bounce, and the upwards gordo, which makes it move very high vertically but it has almost no horizontal speed. Upwards gordo in particular allows for you to place a delayed hitbox somewhere near you and the opponent, which allows for some really fun combos and plays. You can hit your opponent into the Gordo, or wait for the Gordo to hit and then confirm, or wait for the Gordo to hit and then grab them. On top of that, downwards Gordo is constantly alternating between controlling space in the air, and controlling space on the ground. Because of this, I have to know exactly which distances from my opponent I am controlling space in, in order to use one of my variants of the move. The limiting factor in this is that your opponent can hit the Gordo back at you with one of their attacks. And this creates more options for the opponent to deal with the Gordo, and punishes me for being bad with my Gordo tosses. However, reflecting it can be thrown back by any of MY moves as well, which will also allow me to reset it's angle. This is combined with me having a dedicated reflector move that sends it in a unique angle, directly at my opponent and really fast, but I can hold it for a long period of time. This is combined with a really slow and hard hitting moveset on a really slow and powerful character means my neutral is DEFINED by how I use this move, and I am punished very hard for using Gordo and having my opponent guess what I'm planning. If they respond to this projectile properly, then I will absolutely get punished for it. A lot of my uses of Gordo in neutral are to throw it out from somewhere safe so I can pry how the opponent responds. This tells me their mindset and how they are approaching the current situation. And I love mixing up my opponents with which Gordo toss I'm actually using, because I can control the angle to not let them know my current plans. Or I can just not use Gordo at all! The problem is when I have this move that I put a lot of conscious thought into where and when to use it, and how I should respond afterwards. Meanwhile a lot of my opponents are Smash Ultimate players who can't comprehend characters with game-plans more complex than holding forward and pressing A. What this means is that my experience of playing Dedede has had a LOT of history with people whose ONLY RESPONSE to Gordo is to hit it with an attack. Imagine being me, throwing out this move in neutral to probe how the opponent responds, and the opponent always acts in exactly the same way, and is confused as to why I'm beating them. Because, and here's an extremely obscure fact to the smash ultimate playerbase, YOU CAN JUST WALK UNDER THE FUCKING GORDO, IT FUCKING BOUNCES. YOU CAN ALSO JUMP OVER IT. YOU HAVE SO MANY OPTIONS. And no, I am NOT cherrypicking when I say people hate Dedede despite the fact that he's a low tier gimmick skill check who punishes people who play on autopilot. He was really, REALLY hated. I swear, explaining that I'm actually putting thought into every Gordo always reminded me of that exchange from MGS2 between Raiden and Fatman. "You're nothing but a common spammer, and that's all you'll ever be-" "HOW DARE YOU! I'M AN ARTIST!" It doesn't inherently make me good at the game, but I'm not mindless if I'm picking a low tier, and then winning because my opponent is making mistakes and playing poorly, for errors I can CONSCIOUSLY PUT INTO WORDS. And you can TELL not adapting is a really common issue in the community because there used to be memes about moves like PK fire. "It's so cheap, it beats shield, and spotdodging is hard on wifi-" YOU CAN JUMP. "But he keeps predicting my short hops-" YOU CAN FULLHOP. STOP JUST JUMPING IN ONE WAY. "But he keeps anti-airing my fullhop-" YOU HAVE A DOUBLE JUMP AND AN AIRDODGE. MY GOD, STOP PICKING LOSING OPTIONS. There's really so many character specific guides yet no new players actually bother how to learn to JUMP OVER PROJECTILES WITHOUT GETTING PUNISHED??? To the point where it's been memed about in videos not about Smash???? And these people have the BALLS to tell me that I'M the moron for playing a character centralized around a gimmick??? At least I made somebody ragequit during a ditto though, once. He also called me the F-slur, and was someone I knew IRL. Was one of the highlights of my smash career, even though I stopped playing back in 2021.

As a Q main, I'm extremely heartbroken lmao

Yoshimitsu's taunt poison knee that he only has access to when playing against bryan fury, it's not as weird or awkward as this video but it's up there

It's good to know jigoku step is still the most obscure tech out there. Dumb, but obscure

as a Q main, i was like WHAT IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'M LEARNING ABOUT THIS

Great video. Also i relate to the point about players receiving unnecessary hate i picked up happy chaos as a main in guilty gear strive, and after only a week of in person practice all of my friends dropped the game entirely saying that playing ti with me just wasnt any fun because i play a busted character. When in reality happy chaos is just a difficult character to learn and you kind of have to understand what hes doing to you to stop him, if any of them had even attempted to play him instead of just complaining about him they could have easily started catching me mid combo.

You dropped your claw

This video rules I just found yo ur channel cheers

As a Q main, I thank you for your service.

Koopa-Backdash-Wave-Slide-Hover-Walk-Moon-Landing

The Kenta Cancel section of the video made me crave more SBO history videos like Majin Obama's FGC Archives.

ngl that first part got me

i can't believe while i was watching this video kenta died of fringe

I like this

I didn't understand any part of this video, yet I liked it

A lot of characters got messed up before their time to shine because of misinfo.