The Green Knight - Hidden Meaning & Celtic Connection 

See. THIS. This is good theory making, it's vague and is backed up with multiple sources! I'm definitely going to look out for those metaphors when I read it next time!!

Anything Tolkien is my cup of tea.

@@zoebaggins90 then you'll probably enjoy it! I've read it three times thus far, it's a story I know that I can always return to. It was written about the year 1400 but holds up very well even for a modern reader.

@@Vingul I have his Gawain and the Green Knight version as well as the Pearl poem. It's a lovely book.

When the siege and the assault had ceased at Troy ...

@@zoebaggins90 it is indeed.

In modern parlance a girdle is a woman's garment but how far back does that go? I think of references to warriors "girding their loins" before battle.

@@davidhanson4909 afaik that refers to a turban-length of cloth wrapped many times around the pelvis as may be seen in some Indian martial arts practices. a kind of early jock strap.

girdle just means belt.

Quite eloquent ideas I'd not fully considered, thanks for this.

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Sounds like it could have something to do with the solar calendar.

@@raclark2730 it's always about the seasons and the planets.

@@zoebaggins90 I agree ancestral astronomy.

Gwanwynwyn is a Welsh name, I remember it from a Sharon Kay Penman book in her Welsh trilogy. so cool!

I believe this as well.

Very interesting that the root m*r- means something water related in many languages, including Greek, Latin and Hebrew.

@@zoebaggins90 I think Merlin name means something like 'sea-fortress', the lady in the lake Vivian is related to the water goddess Boand sister Beibhinn (or Niamh?) but could again be a fusion of Celtic and Roman cultures.

In Cymraeg, “Ar Mor” means “the Sea.”

Pareidolia*

Zoe K. Thanks! My vocabulary exceeds my spelling capacity! Lol? And sadly.. apparently my spell check program!!

Same! I kept staring.

Lud could also be Nudd (later misspelt Lludd) who is the Welsh version of the Irish god Nuada.

In a tale about St. Patrick being told of the history of the Gaels, he is present at the excavation of a giant, who was buried with the chain of Lug. They say it bound all the prisoners of the Mileseans and the Tuatha De and from it there was no escape. In all likelihood it relates to the same idea as the noose of Varuna and Odin being the hanged god and god of prisoners.

@@FortressofLugh ahh, that’s intersting. Thanks for the info

There's a great tradition of head worship round here on the wirral ,North Wales and the North west of England....Saint Winifrid, a shrine is across the river Dee from here on the wirral at Tryfynon / Holywell ,and the site of Saint / King Oswald,s martyrdom at Winwick /Ashtonin Makerfield ( Maserfield ) ,Penda the last pagan King of Mercia slew Oswald..interesting that Penda, a granddaughter Werburgh is venerated here on the wirral and Chester...Tolkein based Aragorn on saint Oswald..

In the occult that would absolutely line up. The Green man, or knight, is the fool card in the tarot, associated with the hebrew letter Aleph and the all God Pan. So yeah Celtic pan, pans out for me on an esoteric level. I think it is cool to point out the fool is the man who has life and death in his hands but doesn't realize it. In the rider waite decks the fool has these powers concealed in a bag on a stick, with a dog at his feet trying to warn the fool he is about to fall to his death off a cliff, bc just as he is not aware of his own power, he is also not aware of his surroundings. In the thoth deck the fool hold a cup with a pyramid base in one hand and a bundle of wheat and grapes in the other. The next card, the magician has the powers laying on a table in front of him and his hand gestures suggest he now knows he holds power from heaven until hell, but he still doesn't fully understand or know how to use his tools, or power. The fool card is also attributed to the 3 negative veils of existence in kabbalah, or pure potentialities not yet manifest. It is the generative force of spring that brings back the dead its force not understood as of yet. Its is nature and all its potential, thus Pan the All god, nature itself as a force. There is a GREAT description of the green man and meaning in the Book of Thoth under the writing for the Fool card. Also a great website called esotericmeanings.com, again the fool card on that page has a beautiful explanation of all the occult symbolism and meaning, well not all, but a lot of it.

Interesting.. Is there any books regarding this aspect? I would very much like to read about it.

@@charitharox not that I know of, it’s just a theory.

Bruh.... "I'm more of a literalist" yet here you are making up BS. "Idk it's just a theory" if you want to make up our culture and religion then go join a Wiccan Covenant

There are some examples of the five pointed star on British Iron Age coins however

Indeed, although many of the images on early Iron Age British coinage are often imitations of classical coins, and it doesn't appear in any other la Tene art I'm aware of, so it's difficult to know if it's just a borrowed image without any meaning to the Celts or if it's an important symbol. If you can point me to any sources in la Tene I'd be very grateful. The Pythagoreans did use it as both an initiatory symbol and a membership sign, so it was known across the classical world, certainly among the elite. I wonder if there's some connection with the Druid class that does link back to Iron Age Britain. Some classical sources explicitly liken the Druids' reincarnation to Pythagorean metempsychosis, for example. Or was Dubnovellaunus an initiated Pythagorean maybe, and the coin alludes to this? My suspicion, though, is that the pentacle gets added to Gawain's imagery following Chretien de Troyes' involvement with the Arthurian tales, at a time when Kabbalistic ideas were influencing a lot of European thought.

@@genlob I recall the pentacle exists on similar coins from northern Gaul, the coin producing tribes in Britain had Belgic links. Not all Celtic art is La Tene, geometric forms persisted, the s-shape and triskele go back to neolithic art. I think the pentacle as a shield emblem is most likely from medieval heraldry, knights had to have coats of arms so they got made up for these Arthurian characters who predated heraldry. The pentagram in the middle ages could represent five virtues, as in someone who had achieved perfection, in German legend it was the drudenfuss and warded off evil, either way it represented something special to the Christian god.

@@damionkeeling3103 It's the same problem whatever the coinage though, surely? ie. classical images copied verbatim. Outside of the coinage I'm not aware of the pentagram in any northern European art from the Palaeolithic to the classical period, including Hallstatt, Pictish, la Tene etc. and it doesn't seem to be present in later Saxon or Scandinavian art either. I'm open to new evidence though, so if you can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. As a Celt, ancient historian and Kabbalist I'd love there to be an ancient/mystical connection to these islands but so far I'm not convinced.

@@genlob Hadn't given it much thought before, I did a quick check online and it does exist on a couple of Macedonian coins so that's the likely origin of the symbol for the Celtic coins. There is even a Phillip II coin with a horse rider and pentagram underneath which would be the direct origin of the pentagram on these Celtic coins.

The Akkadain Maqlu or Maculu, meaning Burning was use to battle witches and demons, Mari consort was Sugaar (also Sugar, Sugoi, Suarra, Maju) is the male half of a pre-Christian Basque deity associated with storms and thunder. In one myth Sugaar seduces a Scottish princess. There is no likely etymology for the third name of this god, Maju. I wonder if there is a connection between Maqlu and Maju

Or the wirral albeit in Welsh...

How come Mrblazingup420 is unable to see this comment, is it really hear

I have basically boycotted the new movie. I will look into Elden Rings soon but I have another project in the works at the moment in dragons, so maybe after that.

@@FortressofLugh Nice

@@FortressofLugh why?

@@thelonelyarrikirri4575 you know why

@@thegreenmage6956 Why? He doesn't like the design of the Green Knight or something?

I have a video on the Morrigan. Check down through the list a bit. To me it seems the myth of the sleeping warriors in the hills is the same as King Arthur and Odin, and these appear to be the warrior band of Lug.

@@FortressofLugh Thank you. 🌟

Partially preference for regional governance, ie. self-governance, and partially constant fighting with one's neighbour's I'd say, speaking from a Scot's point of view.

Surrounded by more Organized armies like Rome while the Celts were fighting each other

The Indigenous native Cymru are still here despite the might of Rome, the Saxons Angles Jutes Vikings and numerous multitudes of mercenary hordes. The Norman's took 250 years to subdue them, with the most expensive and extensive castle building programme ever undertaken in Western Europe which bankrupt the crown. They later endured the new Norman English and eventually the English . Despite the relentless overwhelming odds over 2000 years, they are still here despite everyone and everything, but this epic story of survival is generally ignored and airbrushed from the accepted narrative of the island of Britain. However, their sheer refusal to be assimilated and stubborn love of ther beautiful language is extraordinary for such a tiny nation. Not quite the hill tribes of sheep shaggers the English would have us believe.

@@andrewwhelan7311 I might propose that it's exactly because the Welsh, Scots and Irish were not only politically and militarily dominated but also held in contempt and treated as third-class citizens for at least 500 years that nurtured the need to retain culture, living memory, and iconicising tradition.

I read many years ago that the celts in Britain were struck down by disease which tore through their population allowing the saxons to take England.

Lancelot was a later addition to the court.

Dunno about «stolen».

Borrowed, inspired, evolved from. would be less negative.

@@raclark2730 It was Breton troubadours who spread the story of Arthur to the French court and beyond. The Bretons brought the tales of Arthur and his knights with them from Britain, most likely the Dumnnonian (Cornwall and Devon) version as that is where most of them came from. Later stories from European traditions were then added. I think your evolved is probably the best word to use.

@@damionkeeling3103 Breton troubadours, I can imagine they were quite a bunch of characters themselves.

@@raclark2730 I'd watch a tv series set around them for sure.

No, Cernunnos is likely Gwydion/Cian who is a Pushan/Pan cognate God.

Underworld God is Arawn/Midir, the Celtic lunar, Soma God.

@@McAulay99 What about Gwyn ap Nudd?

@@McAulay99 Also, Cernunnos is more likely to be an underworld entity or deity.

@@user-ze3tq9hf9i if Cernunnos is Gwyn ap Nudd then Cernunnos would be a Rudraic God. Irish Rudra is Fionn who leads the Fianna/Rudras. Also his depiction resembles Pashupati(lord of animals and avatar of Shiva).

All they have to do is make a traditional version of the story and it will be popular like LOTR. Enough with the woke nonsense.

@@damionkeeling3103 I couldn't even get to any content, the acting was beyond terrible, the king giving a speech with like a full one second pause between words was impossible for me to listen to. The cinematography was random nonsense, just give me a good shot of what's going on.

@@JuggoJuggo I think they know they're pushing buttons so production values are often lower, the Achilles series with a black Achilles is a prime example, worst costuming I've seen in a long time and speaking to those who started watching it the acting and script was bargain basement too.

Or you just make up crazy shit 🙄

I used to have auditory and visual hallucinations just like you. I sought out help and was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Medication and therapy has stabilised me and I now very rarely hear voices.