The Grind 148 - Riddles (Kazuya) Vs. Peanut (Little Mac) SSBU Smash Ultimate 

Right? It’s criminal that kaz does that much damage and has a good recovery

DLC privilege

Ikr he has more strengths and less weaknesses than mac

@@b-rezk-dos734 I would blame mac being bad more than kazuya being good

@@inevitablesound7465 no arguments there haha

I suspect he's gonna eventually win a Tourney with Mac, fingers crossed!!

@@americanphonics7023 Absolutely not. Not at any stacked A or S tier tourneys, anyway. Part of why he's doing as well as he even is now is because all the previous top players are playing much worse than the were before offline was first shut down. By the end of this year when everyone has fully readjusted again, Peanut will just be a fan favorite who gets lucky to make it past top 64.

@@shikarixox1195 You sound fun to hang around with...

@@shikarixox1195 You must be the soul off the party

@@pacogv194 I meant it's true. Once everyone is doing better then peanut is going to struggle in stacked tourneys. I mean I don't think he has that good of a chance at making it at ultimate summit 3 though.

Very good point, plus it’s super armor vs. “super hit stun”, if you will. One leads to perma-wins in neutral, the other leads to always gaining advantage off a read. 80:20 Kazuya. *Disclaimer* My 80:20 prediction is based on standardization and controlled environment. Which all character, not player, or player-character, but simply character predictions are based on. Making them the same level. As in, a Master Mac player vs. a Master Kazuya player. Which isn’t what we got here, Peanut is a master Little Mac, but Riddles (though he might be the best) hasn’t mastered Kazuya, yet. It’s still too soon, but once he does it’ll a beat down of Little Mac.

@@KH-wz9nm mac beats kazuya

Every match up looks like a very painful match up for mac

@@Duck-re3tm wow no one has ever said that before

I think their match-up can go either way, but Mac can't make nearly as many mistakes as Kazuya is allowed to make, and Kazuya has several moves that instantly kill Lil Mac at 70+% in certain situations. 🤔 I think Mac would win more if K.O. punch could be hit confirmed, but I don't think it's been buffed yet.

I dont respect Riddles for using a broken character

Ayo the comment was positive to both suddenly the replies are butthurt toxic.

@@diegoluna6325 "braindead" sure dude, cause peanut or most effective Mac mains definitely don't rely on other factors.

@@diegoluna6325 he’s a low tier and he gets played professionally. If professionals can’t handle a few smash attacks from a low tier, then they’re just bad. You sound pretty bad at the game yourself

@@joaquinleyva6869 not only that, but players like peanut don't even completely rely on smash atks. Sure it's very much needed for the usage of them, but grounded tilts and reads are heavily integrated in good Mac players. Also, needed to learn how to recover with a character that manages to have one of the worst in the game.

These commentators where kinda bad LMAO.

"the read!" He reacted

Be quiet. All my enemies in tournaments are going battlefield against Mac because they don't know that this is one of his best Stages. I don't want them to find out 😉

@@julianusapostata6677 What makes it so good for him?

@@randomusername1735 you can circle around projectiles. You can setup with downtilt and throw combos on the lower platforms. Downtilt (if enemies miss the Tag) jump,down air into up smash. That kills Zelda at 70%. You can backair opponents from lower platforms to get a tech chaseyou can do uptilt up B on the upper platform for easy kills. ...and more but my english is not enough to get deeper :)

@Gustavo Vasconcelos it is that bs has a lot of hit stun

@Gustavo Vasconcelos You don't realize how much hitstun EWGF has. Also if they don't avoid it in a tournament there's a high chance they can't avoid it at all

@Gustavo Vasconcelos Bro…..

@Gustavo Vasconcelos high chance

@Gustavo Vasconcelos It doesn't matter, my point still stands, EWGF has a ton of hitstun, I'd bet my entire life savings that this is a true combo

Spoilers!!!!

@@paulmajano maybe don't go in a the comment section before you finish the match lol

Exactly, comments are meant to be about the video. So its obvious that people will discuss what happened.

Yeah he should have dodged his punch, then counterpunch!

@@megamecha100 yeah I know man

Yep, good s**t!

He also tweeted that he is not used anymore to be on bigger tournaments. You can really see the effect haha

The adrenaline is real!

@@DevelonLP Heck I get the big nervous thumps just playing online sometimes, I can't imagine the pressure at this level of tournament play with money on the line.

This matchup is incredibly stressful lmao

Nice profile picture

It’s enough to make me wonder if Peanut ever pocketed Kazuya, just how powerful would he be? How much further would he go?

Hmm it's not as simple as simply picking him up as a pocket though. Kazuya neutral is one of the most versatile, technical, and committal in the game. So there would be numerous things that would be foreign for peanut to learn.

@@starter497 I think you’re right, but fundamentally, he shares many aspects of neutral game with Little Mac. Even if the character is more complex to pick up, Peanut has not only the dexterity to serve Kazuya’s kit justice, but his game plan is already very similar to Little Mac, so there wouldn’t necessarily have to be a paradigm shift like there would be with, say, Mii Brawler. I think the main issue Peanut would have is having fun with the character competitively. It’s a matter of principle. Either way, I can respect it if Peanut doesn’t want to switch to Kazuya, but I would find it very interesting to see exactly how a Little Mac player would optimize him.

@@Aflay1 I personally don't see any similarities with their neutral game besides both having a grounded heavy neutral. It's why many shotos and Terry main struggle with kazuya outside of riddle even tho they are both grounded characters. Only riddles and maybe Ronin are having success with kazuya after transition from shotos/Terry to kazuya. As a person who use to play a lot of Lil Mac in smash and a kazuya main, I legit see no similarities besides both are grounded fighters. Their ground game isnt comparable because it's just too different.

@@starter497 I happen to see a lot of similarities with their neutral game. I guess you see more of an objective, in-depth picture while I have more of a superficial perspective. The armored attacks, up-special finisher, OHKO moves. In practice, they’re very different, but in approach, Kazuya strikes me as a more complex, vastly versatile version of Little Mac. It makes sense, too. Little Mac is intended to be more limited. I appreciate your input, given that you’ve played both characters so extensively. You would understand better than me. I only understand them theoretically. Again, I would be happy to see what Peanut can do with Kazuya, just to satisfy my curiosity. I’m surprised you don’t even think the characters are at least a little similar.

Eyy hbox

My boy has watch this masterpiece!!

Woag

Ayo it's hungrybox

I guess I'm watching the right videos

This honestly seems like such a painful matchup for Mac. I think the fact that it didn't look so one sided just goes to show how good of a Mac peanut is.

@@kikito3850 peanut is obviously an excellent mac, but I really think this has more to do with Riddles not having mastered kazuya yet. He is likely the hardest character to consistently get the inputs you want, and he hasn't been in the game very long. I suspect in time we will see mac getting bodied by kazuya. Huge peanut fan btw

Mac Down-tilt into KO Punch is like EWGF into Kazuya Up-smash

@@literallydeadpool Except d-tilt KO Punch isn't a true combo, like...95% of the time.

EWGF is incredibly hard to release lol. While Little Mac Ko mechanic is "press button to kill at 0%"

You can see riddles heart beat on his neck. All out battle 💪

Maybe they're both high on monster energy

damn respect for riddles. still hate kazuya as hell tho, such a f-ing drag to play online. never should've been inroduced to the game

Yeah, I think Kazuya changes the core game in a great way, I just think Mac, Ganon & Bowser need a few buffs now. Bowser likely needs the least, but they need to be pretty close to how explosive Kazuya is now IMHO.

@@seankhanna3843 just because he's a drag for you to play means he shouldn't be in the game? Grow up man

I respectfully differ, Kazuya is more than worthy to be included in the game. A lot of people have enjoyed Kazuya's gameplay, but I get where you're coming from, DLC characters can be a huge pain to fight.

@@seankhanna3843 he is so easily exploited by most top or high tiers, unless you’re playing like incineroar just learn to adapt

lol, kazuma

kazuma kiryu

I think he was actually trying to input back up tilt to catch the roll but the autoturnaround just gave him the back tilt lol

still a read

Moshi mosh Kazuma desu

"I think this MU is just tough for LM", you can basically say this for most of the cast

@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 I mean yeah, thanks for stating the obvious

@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 no no, this is relevant because the "pocket" is where Lil' Mac should be doing extremely well, however, this matchup with Kazuya makes clear the places Mac needs obvious help with buffs, without making him too OP. At the very least, this matchip should be pretty even, but it's obvious Kazuya gets more advantages than Mac, which are both supposed to be "heavy hitters". This is a clear battle that defines the places Mac needs to be improved, specifically.

@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Except for Ganondorf

@@angry998 yes. Thats what i meant by "most"

none of that is gimmick my friend lmao.

But kazuya comes from a real fighter game lmao lucky he doesn't get juggle combos and can't have fight stick to be played with

Lol no gimmicks

I can tell he doesn't have a good grasp of kazuya's weight

@@eugenejohnson1867 yeah what gimmicks if that shits u ur pretty much dead if they can finish the combo lol

Really? Peanut sometimes dont know what to do and just spam the tilt o F-smash, he is so obvious, and not punish so good.

@UCPXAd6C2dTMDKmi3yVFm9vg shut yo dumbass up this man took games off riddles, peanut is a great player

@@Canela_t Peanut does have his brainless moments, he’s even admitted to it before. But this man can CLUTCH impossible games that no little Mac should clutch. He has three stocked players that will never be three stocked by a Mac ever again. He just had a bad matchup, Kaz is a new opponent he’s possible never played before and he’s op af. He definitely held his own for a Mac main frl

I checked the video this view is dummy hype and get most chaotic view I have ever seen

@@damianthomas6579 More the player made Kazuya op af.

Not only broken, it has everything in his favor the easy combos, the knockback and the damage is fucking insane

Mac has a good mu against kazuya riddles is better

@@user-zy2ts8kn7c mate lol Kazuya is beyond broken

@@dr.derekrobinson1920 Fr. Like i’m not even going to engage in a argument over it, it should be common knowledge.

@@dr.derekrobinson1920 Kazuya is the ultimate scrub destroyer. Anyone who knows how to play the game easily beats him, and it’s common knowledge that riddles is just better than peanut

Even after many setbacks people are still willing to host these events and there is still a dedicated community to it all which I find incredible.

Me too

Dair

Oh did the thumbnail have steve instead of mac?

@@user-qu8eu1dg3f It's an inside joke; there's a boxing character in Tekken named Steve Fox.

@@user-qu8eu1dg3f lmao

Riddles is definitely the better player

I felt that. Lmao

you DO realize that 10 hit combo isn't even true, right?

@@webbowser8834 yeah but that doesn't stop the jab doing 40 if you are at zero or the spike on down smash being the easiest 2 frame kill move i have ever seen dlc will be dlc

Him putting up a fantastic fight and close game against a very difficult opponent character played by a very good player? Then yes, agreed, was very impressive to see Peanut in action here.

*Axiom XL: I am a joke to you?

@@Tacho99 he’s good but riddles is probably just the better player and he’s been doing the fighting game gimmicks for years now

@@Tacho99 I can't say who is better but its very very clear that Riddles usage of EWGF is leagues ahead of every other kazuya right now

@@mobaisi13 i agree. He inputs electric super fast. He punished peanuts jab with it lol. I believe doung fast electrics will be the meta of kazuya. Even if they block it, you just back up, because they literally can't punish it on block or contest it because kaz is fully invincible through the move

Riddles and Axiom, both have very different playstyles, Axiom is much more versatile, but Riddles is definitely the most skillful Kazuya out there, heavy execution from my man Riddles. Also, Axiom has won a lot of tournaments using Kazuya

No one is forcing him to use Mac, he wants to so let him be held back

​@@TheBomberman122 I think they meant it in a way that Peanut's Mac is being held back by the character's flaws

Kazuya wins this.. if you dont think so then you think little mac is at least mid tier

@@free3793 you know, I’m not gonna argue with you. I disagree with you, but it doesn’t matter. Your opinion doesn’t effect my life, and it doesn’t effect my enjoyment of smash bros

Kazuya has more powerful tools and more tools in general at his disposal, but you gotta admit, he played to Little Mac’s strengths, which made for an entertaining battle. Ultimately, though, Little Mac has less room for error than Kazuya. Even at 0%. Shows just how much work it takes to take a Little Mac this far. That kind of optimization would be terrifying in the hands of a character like Kazuya.

@@littlemacisunderrated412 Chill out its not that serious

@@Aflay1 again, disagree, have a wonderful rest of your day!

Considering Marss recently lost to a Kaz(Axiom XL on loser’s side) idk if we takin his advice lmao

Non dlc characters can also do that

@@mekk-knightsarecool222 I must be playing the wrong character

It’s definitely not op imo, he kinda struggles at getting in and is super hard 2 actually play well

@@mekk-knightsarecool222 lmk if your opinion on this has since changed? lol

or at the very least, 50%

Not Kazuya, one interaction with Riddles is a stock 99% of the time. He’s very good with kaz because he can do ewgf’s easily continuously which is hard on its own. But I kinda don’t respect him at the same time cuz kazuya is broken as hell and everyone in the community knows that. But ye He is very good with him tho.

Use a sword character

@@Anonymous-tt1cv nah , 1 stock always.