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The Guns of 1923 

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With the season finale almost upon us and a second season recently announced, it seems the perfect time to take a look back at the collector arms used in Season 1 of the TV series "1923."
The prequel to "Yellowstone," offers four different settings, three of which happen to be major gun collecting genres: World War 1, the Old West, and Dangerous Game hunting. Each setting is packed with classics from the genre, and Joel & Seth walk us through each one.
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@thomasmanson1119
@thomasmanson1119 Год назад
Great video, we are also waiting for the next season. I’ve got a photo of my dad with his Model ‘94 and the biggest buck in Venango County, PA in 1935 which he harvested with it.
@alextepe4309
@alextepe4309 Год назад
I liked the inclusion of the Thompson in the gunfight scene. It makes another appearance in the end of the season where a member of Donald Whitfield’s entourage is seen armed with one. Jacob Dutton is 78 years old in 1923, which means that he could have served in the Civil War in in his youth, where single shot rifled muskets were used. Firearms technology sure came a long way between 1865 and 1923.
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 Год назад
Pretty much my range of years for my collection...1880s - 1940s. Got to have walnut and steel!
@mxhdroom
@mxhdroom Год назад
That "Webley" (actually a 38 caliber Enfield Mk2) on the table wasn't adopted until 1932. A more appropriate piece would have been a Webley Mk VI revolver.
@Appleboxman
@Appleboxman Год назад
Also there were a lot more top-break revolvers in that period than Smith and Wesson and Webley
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany Год назад
@@Appleboxman Correct, those are just the most likely two manufacturers.
@billy56081
@billy56081 Год назад
I was about to comment the same. The gun here would be in 455 and anywhere from a Mark I through VI.
@MrGrxxx123
@MrGrxxx123 4 месяца назад
Range wars ,fence wars, grazing wars. Sheep vs Cattle ranchers
@nimcub147
@nimcub147 Год назад
The S&W M&P that Harrison Ford is holding in his hand at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="906">15:06</a> and <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="910">15:10</a>, is a 5 screw model, made between 1948 and 1956. The spur of the hammer reveals the High Speed hammer, made after March 1948. And the screw in front of the trigger gard, make it a 5 screw model.
@paulm.6966
@paulm.6966 Год назад
1923 is pretty much a big flop. They didn't do a very good job on this . the story line is absolutely boring and long stupid. And figures that they got the guns wrong too lol
@jakubfabisiak9810
@jakubfabisiak9810 Год назад
@@paulm.6966 I disagree. It's only boring if you were looking for Michael Bay style explosions. There's one storyling with the range war over land, with Jacob Dutton trying desperately to keep his land, and way of life, while men like Banner try to take it. You have the native americans being brutalised in the catholic schools (those 3 priests really made my blood boil), and you have Spencer, who was traumatised from his experience in the war, to the point where he left everything behind, living as a hunter going after dangerous game to feel alive again, finding love, and fighting an uphill battle with the whole universe to keep her. It's a great series, and everyone delivers an amazing performance.
@scottfutcher3661
@scottfutcher3661 Год назад
I wonder if the decision to give Harrison Fords character a S&W MP in 1923 was deliberate, since Indiana Jones also typically carried one.
@dougmac9955
@dougmac9955 Год назад
Just one small nit to pick. I believe by 1923 there were several American manufacturers producing top break revolvers in calibers like 38 S&W and 32 S&W long and short. Manufacturers such as Iver Johnson Harrington Richardson and US Revolver and probably dozens of Hardware branded top break revolvers that would quite likely, have been more commonly encountered than a Smith or a WWII Webley if anything at that time I would expect to encounter a Mk VI Webley in .455.
@fredmyers485
@fredmyers485 Год назад
If faced with a charging lion like that, I would have expended three rounds - two into the lion and one into my shorts 😆
@jasonjoslyn4294
@jasonjoslyn4294 Год назад
Really enjoy the videos it’s amazing the guns that pass through your hands true pleasure to watch
@JTEllis
@JTEllis Год назад
Great series and a great video. I've watched all seven episodes so far. I've got a bit of heartburn over the Thompson. It made for a great scene. And if it were in fact a 1921 model it would have been period correct. And I've seen old Thompson ads from the twenties showing a cowboy using a Thompson. The latest in the series, number 7 has a Member of the Crow nation using a hammer double-barrel shotgun, which is definitely correct for 1923. Too bad we won't likely see more episodes until next year. Good work guys!
@Pyle81
@Pyle81 Год назад
So a good friend of mine is a late 1800's (1880) threw 1950 Western, And Firearms Historian. And works for the film industry providing his knowledge and his collection of working prop and actual working Firearms. He has said that Taylor Sheridan insist that EVERYTHING (Firearms, Clothing, Sadles, Tact, Wagons, And now we see in 1923 the early automobiles) is as period correct as they can get. I personally cannot wait to see the next series. I believe its being called 1943, Obviously will be set around WW-2 this time.
@williamscheff709
@williamscheff709 Год назад
As always great show and great info!
@asintonic
@asintonic Год назад
Awesome, Great video Thank you for sharing guys! the man with the tommy gun at the end looks like and reminded me of the great actor Richard Harris
@kirkstinson7316
@kirkstinson7316 Год назад
On the WWI footage of the 1917, if you look closely it's actually a 1917A1. It has the reinforcement rails on the bottom of the receiver
@dougglaus9256
@dougglaus9256 Год назад
Good catch!
@CrossOfBayonne
@CrossOfBayonne Год назад
John Basilone used in Guadalcanal
@ODGColornChrome
@ODGColornChrome Год назад
I can only imagine how much the actual guns used in the series would bring.
@k1j2f30
@k1j2f30 Год назад
Rock Island Auction Co. was such a premier and reputable, high class auction house at one time! Now, it seems, they even stoop to using fictional movie shorts and props to sell classic, and historical weapons! Come on guys, movies and/or fictional pulp is not a category that should be used to sell real, historical firearms! You, above all should know better, and be above this type of practice. You are better than that!!
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 Год назад
@@k1j2f30 Hmmmmm....maybe they were just having fun comparing what they have to the movie and validating the correct time for the firearm. Don't most of us older collectors love that era? Just saying.
@HalfWarrior
@HalfWarrior Год назад
@@k1j2f30 They can do what they want. I don’t fault them for comparing their own guns to the stuff shown in media. Just giving perspective on the time and places they were used.
@steveelder5306
@steveelder5306 Год назад
a double with spring loaded ejectors isn't really desirable as a dangerous game rifle. probably not a top shelf weapon. I went straight to comments when I saw the guy bounce a couple of shells out lol. the idea is when you blast a big elephant or rhino or whatever with a couple of shots from close range and it doesn't go down the last thing you want is a loud clickety-clack sound when you go to reload!
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 Год назад
@@steveelder5306 So the rifle has silencers? I'm sure the blast of two rounds is a heck of a lot louder than ejectors. What you're saying doesn't make any sense.
@bobhill3941
@bobhill3941 Год назад
I'm thoroughly enjoying the series. Thanks, I was wondering what John's revolver was, but I was particularly wondering which double rifle Spencer was using.
@bgcal50cal
@bgcal50cal Год назад
I have to admit the bottom front contour of the receiver is difficult to make it out on your clip. I agree it may be an 1894. Thank you for your great job of identifying. 1928 model Tommy gun bit to late for 1923 era. Been a professional FFL Gunsmith for 47 years and love identifying vintage of pieces on shows featuring older firearms.
@58landman
@58landman Год назад
I loved Spencer's double rifle and it looks like a very trim piece. So much so that I'll bet it's a .375 H&H Magnum. Beautiful rifle.
@kirkstinson7316
@kirkstinson7316 Год назад
Could be a Merkel in same caliber
@58landman
@58landman Год назад
@@kirkstinson7316 An article on the WWW indicates this was a Holland & Holland but the bores look too small to be anything much more than .375, maybe a.450. Whatever it is, I'd love to own it.
@MrGrxxx123
@MrGrxxx123 4 месяца назад
Taylor Sheridan needs to finish the series!
@douglaslarue4264
@douglaslarue4264 Год назад
I have had absolutely no time to watch the show. Your efforts to cover the classic firearms used are much appreciated. It is an important aspect of the Production and Artistic design.
@Rollin_L
@Rollin_L Год назад
I know that sometimes the perfectly correct gun for a specific time period is simply not available. The guys here at Rock Island Auction Co have a proper, WWI 1917 Browning water cooled gun on the table, probably a DLO rebuild from what I can see of the markings. In the "1923" scene, the gun and tripod used are 1917A1 spec, from WWII. I am not posting to criticize, as I am acquainted with some of the folk who supplied that hardware for the scene. It's just an illustration of how rare the WWI spec guns are, and I don't know that any of the prop gun houses actually have one. More rare than the gun is the original WWI tripod. The 1917A1 in that scene has a modern, commercial water jacket of a spec that is distinguishable from an original, if you know what to look for. Only a few guys nerdy enough (like me) would notice, and the scene is well done and the gun looks great. But this is a detail worth noting in the discussion. For those who have seen The Wild Bunch, it is set 5 years before the 1917 is adopted, and they use a WWII 1917A1 in that famous action scene as well. A little "suspension of disbelief" is required, which is not too much to ask. Again, the WWI guns that remained intact are all in museums and private collections, and the same for the WWI 1917 tripods.
@LAT-qk3vj
@LAT-qk3vj Год назад
Very good video 😄Thank you..
@jorgechalub8930
@jorgechalub8930 Год назад
Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina
@goodolkurt4864
@goodolkurt4864 Год назад
Nice rep. of the Albion make of the Webley. Very cool
@Craigskeet1
@Craigskeet1 Год назад
REALLY, you guys, you owe the memory of Browning a HUGE apology . . . I simply can't believe you haven't mentioned him once--it's like "Wow, the electric light--look at how New York lit up in the 1920's! We wonder how that happened."
@iamnolegend2519
@iamnolegend2519 Год назад
Very nice. Thanks
@cullendonaldson9303
@cullendonaldson9303 Год назад
Wonderful
@Craigskeet1
@Craigskeet1 Год назад
So, more than 8 minutes in, and no mention of Browning on the .30 water-cooled, or the 1911 -- unbelievable!!!
@PhuVet
@PhuVet 9 месяцев назад
Forgot it could be a Remington made nagant which was floating around at that point, i have one my grandfather used as a watchman when he was guarding coal mines. He used it and i have the police report where he killed a burgler who tried to steal the payroll in wV
@canuckloyalist4681
@canuckloyalist4681 Год назад
Not really gun related but did anyone else notice Spencer is carrying the knife Elsa won in 1883?
@Joe-ie8vk
@Joe-ie8vk Год назад
One thing that should be said about the trench gun is they used paper hull shells and they often failed in battle. So yes trench shotguns were there from what I have read they weren’t really liked cause they would jam up cause it’s a wet muddy environment. They were used more for guard duty or state side.
@AIRRAID2
@AIRRAID2 Год назад
Hmm i will check this series out for sure. Thsnks for the info. 🤠🤚
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany Год назад
You will not be disappointed! Helen Mirren has some fantastic lines.
@CrossOfBayonne
@CrossOfBayonne Год назад
Another show the Thompson is heavily featured in was Band Of Brothers, The weapon then saw heavy use in World War 2 being adopted by the US military after years of hesitation.
@CrossOfBayonne
@CrossOfBayonne Год назад
The World War II version was the M1A1 and didn't accept drum mags to simplify production for wartime, The older models were also used alongside too.
@IsaacsonSeth
@IsaacsonSeth Год назад
Ah dang, I mispoke and said "volley fire" when I was thinking of "plunging fire." I'm too used to thinking of musketry.
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany Год назад
Fired.
@ca9968
@ca9968 Год назад
1883 is just as good, anyone looking to get into the Yellowstone "Universe", I suggest you start there...
@dr1ver55
@dr1ver55 Год назад
Only seen for a few frames but i saw the shotshels in the winchester 1897 wer brass hulls, correct for ww1 use
@trapperbobpatriot8288
@trapperbobpatriot8288 Год назад
One thing I noticed is the model 94s don’t have the buckhorn sight on the rear that was standard in the time. Just my observation
@750suzuki7
@750suzuki7 Год назад
Where is Ian?
@steveelder5306
@steveelder5306 Год назад
Holland and Holland or Purdeys didn't and don't have spring loaded ejectors. they use extractors that work quietly and are reliable in the intense tropic heat. when you sneak up on something big, pull the triggers twice and it doesn't go down, you don't want a loud clickety-clack sound and a stuck casing in your rifle. that's why they were considered a trusty weapon.
@stonebay2111
@stonebay2111 Год назад
Glad they did better in 1923 than in 1883...especially tim Mcgraw 1885 hi wall
@martinstiastny7679
@martinstiastny7679 Год назад
I haven't even heard of this series. Opening scene - it's very possible that the PH would've had a couple of spare cartridges in his hand. He might very well have dropped to his knees to take the cat front on ~ it's not an elephant . . . but still fun to watch
@RockIslandAuctionCompany
@RockIslandAuctionCompany Год назад
What if I told you an elephant comes later in the series?
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 Год назад
You're missing out on a good one and 1883
@steveelder5306
@steveelder5306 Год назад
it also wouldn't have had auto ejectors on it likely. they were really loud and also unreliable in tropic heat.
@j.curtissims1510
@j.curtissims1510 Год назад
You can tell the people on the set of the series aren't gun people. The guy with the SMLE has the sling attached to the piling swivel, not the swivel meant for the sling.
@billfisher6708
@billfisher6708 Год назад
No Colt SAA?
@earlhuff7847
@earlhuff7847 Год назад
I have shot the Thompson with the Comp. It does not work well, Very hard to keep on target still, but better than the military A1 without.
@brandenrunyan1821
@brandenrunyan1821 Год назад
I still shoot my Dads model 94. He used it to take down some huge pigs in the Santa Cruz mountains. Also my nephew’s middle name Lee was inspired from the Enfield rifle.
@Frenchbroadcatman.
@Frenchbroadcatman. Год назад
Like the video but there wasn't a caliber mentioned of any of the guns
@blahblahblahblah6546
@blahblahblahblah6546 Год назад
If you're at point blank range, aren't you shooting with both eyes open? Why do the sights matter if they're up or down?
@homeFall1
@homeFall1 Год назад
I think he was saying that the other setting on express sights like on that rifle are for super close work and would normally have been set that way in close.
@larry1824
@larry1824 Год назад
Double gun
@bgcal50cal
@bgcal50cal Год назад
How can you tell an 1894 in 30-30 from an a 1892 Winchester in 44-40. Would make more sense. Very popular in the west to have a rifle and pistol in the same caliber. Looks good in Show since they seem to have older models with old style forearm wood.
@djscrush2664
@djscrush2664 Год назад
The length of the loading gate is longer in the 1894. Loading gate is also not in the same location on both, meaning the 92 gate is about in the center of the receiver from front to back and the 94 gate starts closer to center and goes toward the front. Receiver shapes are also not the same if you look above the front of the lever you can see the difference. Also, we know he doesn’t carry a 44-40 revolver so the caliber compatibility would not be his problem. Put both models side by side and I hope you will see it is an 1894 in the show.
@Craigskeet1
@Craigskeet1 Год назад
So, the 1894 Browning lever .30-.30 . . . still no Browning!
@janviljoen7001
@janviljoen7001 Год назад
Too bad the calibre of Spencer's double barrel is not mentioned. Could be a 470 or 500 Nitro Express.
@majcorbin
@majcorbin Год назад
BOTH of my parents were born in 1923
@stang3787
@stang3787 Год назад
Enfield #2 is not a Webley.
@harrykuheim6107
@harrykuheim6107 Год назад
How about an Episode of " The Guns of Rust"?
@3ducs
@3ducs Год назад
Too soon?
@technationuk5802
@technationuk5802 Год назад
What film is this?
@ODGColornChrome
@ODGColornChrome Год назад
This is Taylor Sheridan's 1923. A prequel to the Yellowstone series.
@paulm.6966
@paulm.6966 Год назад
Don't waste your time. Lol
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 Год назад
@@ODGColornChrome Ignore Paul...1883, 1923 and Yellowstones are all great watching
@dangeary4976
@dangeary4976 Год назад
Didn’t really mention calibers??
@thomasballard8333
@thomasballard8333 Год назад
I was wondering want Eddie Munster did as adult.
@ppgnurse1847
@ppgnurse1847 Год назад
None of those krauts had bullets
@Craigskeet1
@Craigskeet1 Год назад
You guys haven't mentioned John M. Browning's name yet???!!! What's up here???
@antiquebowieknifechannel4611
You guys know ur guns...but you seriously need help when you list Bowie Knives (Antiques)
@paulm.6966
@paulm.6966 Год назад
Really excited and glad that you guys did this video. I was just looking for something like this just the other day. As far as my opinion on this show goes, the 1923 series is terrible. Poorly written, no story. they spend way too much time on these long-drawn-out awkward to sit through sex scenes. Sex scenes were as soon as it starts the girl starts intensely moaning. It's so fake and so stupid. My wife thinks the reason that they do this is Because they don't have any good content. They have nothing. They have to waste time on these stupid scenes because this show lacks integrity. I really don't recommend this at all. If you like westerns and so forth you might like this . then they ruin it by putting these horrible sex scenes and all that nudity in it. It's just stupid. If I want to watch a good sex seen I'm gonna watch a porn. If you think you are going to get another series like 1883. You are wrong. 1883 was excellent. It was a tremendous show. This isn't even a close. 1923 is not even remotely close to as good as the 1883 was. But I do enjoy the guns and the gun play
@indigohammer5732
@indigohammer5732 Год назад
"And we've got a lot of the exact models that looks like they're using in the series in house right now and we always do". Talks about a 1923, period Webley, shows an Enfield No2 MKI* made in Glasgow, Scotland between 1941-43. Nah!
@gregb6469
@gregb6469 Год назад
How could some dirt-poor sheep herder afford a Tommy Gun?
@outdoorlife5396
@outdoorlife5396 Год назад
Looking at this, I can tell you guys have never been in a fight. You use the helmet in hand to hand fight also a e-tool or shovel. In WWI the soldiers edged out the side of the e-tool to make it like an axe when swinging. Today they come that way. The Germans used gas and complained about a shotgun with a bayonet. The 1911 is my favorite. Only problem is you have to cock it first. After that it is just as fast as a Glock, for example
@steveelder5306
@steveelder5306 Год назад
the 1911 was made to be carried locked and loaded. it's faster than a Glock. you'd think someone who's been in a fight would know that.
@outdoorlife5396
@outdoorlife5396 Год назад
@@steveelder5306 that is opinion, but I love both. I have been in plenty of fights.
@steveelder5306
@steveelder5306 Год назад
@@outdoorlife5396 but my point is that you don't "have to cock it first" a 1911 is packed locked and loaded so it's as fast or faster. I use Glocks myself they're simpler and easier to maintain.
@outdoorlife5396
@outdoorlife5396 Год назад
@@steveelder5306 My first pistol was a 1911 Colt Mark V, I think. It was 78. If memory serves right, I had to cock the first round or put the thumb safety on. Very similar to the one Longmire carried on the TV show. Then I got a Sig 229, I think, It was ok, but it liked federal ammo, if you didn't have it, it didn't want to perform unless you loaded it. I don't always have time to load a pistol round. Then for a little while, I had a Ruger P 90. It is like a trash can, it shoots about the same no matter what ammo is in it. I kept it for being on the boat. I got a Glock gen 1, then traded for a gen 2. I now have a gen 4. I miss the 1911, almost bought a Rock Island the other day. I have several 45's, I like the recoil and can get ammo just about any where. Love that Glock.
@steveelder5306
@steveelder5306 Год назад
@@outdoorlife5396 I hear that. I shot 1911's a bit and I like them but never owned one for some reason. I have a couple of .45 colt revolvers and I like them a lot but for defense I have a gen 3 g23 that I switched to a g19 and have had a gen three 10mm and those are my defense pistols. I'm thinking of upgrading so I can put a light on and get all tactical. it would be nice to have a new cherry Glock also. they are nice and simple to operate.
@mallanac
@mallanac Год назад
Webley??? Come on.... Enfield No. 2 Mk 1* - I would have expected you guys to know.
@panchopistola8298
@panchopistola8298 Год назад
The Germans started using gas so …. The trench gun was the perfect answer .
@Pyle81
@Pyle81 Год назад
The German's complained about everything, Right into WW-2. And there still pissing and moaning about everything a hundred yrs later today.
@waterhead1359
@waterhead1359 Год назад
I don't watch this series the actor's are all antigun but make millions using them in movies
@orinjackson975
@orinjackson975 Год назад
Congratulations
@waterhead1359
@waterhead1359 Год назад
@@orinjackson975 thanks
@ChrisBrown-kp1tb
@ChrisBrown-kp1tb Год назад
Fake news
@waterhead1359
@waterhead1359 Год назад
@@ChrisBrown-kp1tb funny
@kendo207
@kendo207 Год назад
I guess you don’t watch many series or movies then…..
@jimbobxcityguy5338
@jimbobxcityguy5338 Год назад
series is okay but too many love stuff. Drags alot. And in reviews others claim the same
@6.7Rollin
@6.7Rollin Год назад
were not african guns! jesus what the hell!
@jimdavenport8020
@jimdavenport8020 Год назад
I had to throw the 'Bullshit Flag' on appearancce of a Thompson. Only two years into TSMG production and a horribly expensive firearm for the day. Good drama, but not realistic.
@usnchief1339
@usnchief1339 Год назад
come on man! I've done that job before. Rich sheep farmer too!
@Pyle81
@Pyle81 Год назад
Its Hollywood, There doing a better job than the rest of production is today. Why??? Because Taylor has insisted on it. And has budgeted for it. Thats why... Notice he did the same thing on Son's of Anarchy. The props fit the scenes well.
@johnkertzman3223
@johnkertzman3223 Год назад
I'd have to disagree with you on that! Thompson had ads they put into national Sporting magazines saying that thier submachine gun was the perfect weapon to defend the ranch with!
@JJeffriesG
@JJeffriesG Год назад
Can’t stand the wokeness of the show. Sisters vs Indian girls, Brit’s vs Americans, Americans vs Scots, cattle vs sheep.
@lars277
@lars277 Год назад
You people have ruined the gun market in this nation.
@seandimond8609
@seandimond8609 Год назад
1923 is season 2 not season 1 that was 1883.
@Flyfishtherockies
@Flyfishtherockies Год назад
Hopefully it’s better than 1883, that series was awful
@Mike_Greentea
@Mike_Greentea Год назад
Gay
@mountainman.4478
@mountainman.4478 Год назад
I noticed in 1923 they are loading the shotguns with plastic red cartridges? They didn't come out till a later date. That's a mistake...Thanks for the videos.
@jordanhicks5131
@jordanhicks5131 Год назад
Are you sure they arent made of waxed red cardboard/paper? That's period appropriate and looks very similar to plastic shotshells when seen at a glance
@mountainman.4478
@mountainman.4478 Год назад
@jordan hicks they look like plastic modern shotgun shells, especially the aggressive way they are putting them in the gun. Also, they would have probably used metal shotgun cartridges at that time. There are many mistakes in the series. If look at the first or second episode. Many cowboys have their six-shooters hanging halfway out of their holsters ready to fall out. Also, some were walking around with the hammer-pulled pack. While sitting in their holsters
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