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The H & N FTT Pellet Weight Experiment With Si Pittaway

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Hi there air rifle enthusiasts and subscribers,
In this episode of VerminHuntersTV I decide to do my own experiment to confirm what I thought that I already knew.
The experiment is to see the effects of weighing and sorting your pellets prior to shooting groups and targets.
I wanted to see if pellets of different weights but the same brand fired through a rifle would impact in a north to south POI making a bigger group.
To confirm my theory I shoot a mixed pellet weight group with pellets ranging from 14.7 grain to 15.7 grain, followed by 2 weighed 5 shot groups at 15.4 grain.
Watch to see the results. I think you will be pretty surprised.
Enjoy
Si.
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@Moorvale55 11 лет назад

The North to South grouping is a classic breathing mistake. Shoot when you breath out or in or midway, but always at the same stage of breathing. Pellet weight will make a difference. The North / South line is nearly always breathing which may have been due to you making a film on your own and trying to get it done for us as smoothly as possible. GREAT vids Si, keep em coming. If shooting prone try and get used to firing when you have exhaled, it gives a flatter base to shoot from.

@kardredren 11 лет назад

That's a surprising variation in pellet weight, the consumer puts a lot of trust in manufacturers to deliver a reliable and accurate product, but the onus is ultimately on the marksman to check. I've never weighed or washed my pellets, but I'm only a casual plinker, this video is a real eye opener for me, and from now on I'll blame my inaccuracy on my ammunition :D Thanks for sharing the results and taking the time to record it.

@caemaridwn 11 лет назад

Definitely proves a point Si, Iv'e noticed this even with expensive pellet's that they vary batch to batch. I have washed pellet's in the past but only lubed them on a couple of occasion's. I think I'll do them all from now on, modern pellet scale's help a lot now don't they. :)

@TheDefinitiveAirgunReview 11 лет назад

Great video Si it just shows you that if you are after maximum accuracy it is essential to weigh, wash and lube your pellets. I have done these experiments with all brands and pellet types. Unfortunately the H&N's are no exception, in my experience all brands do it and some are worse than others. (except for a couple that are out there that is but they don't work in most guns LOL)

@MrVasmikey 11 лет назад

Just a short note handling lead items. After a while lead will oxidize and form a white powder (lead Oxide) which is deadly if it accumulates in the body. I had a job in construction years ago where we handled lead roof jacks and we were required by OSHA to where gloves at all times and wash our hands frequently when handling lead. A few guys got very ill from ignoring the directive. It wasn't pretty.

@MrVasmikey 11 лет назад

This experiment was extremely telling. Thanks for the diligence mate.

@porkycrook 11 лет назад

A real informative video as always from VHTV. It's with help from you that i along with a few more, are learning to understand and use our shooting equipment. We had a saying in the motor-trade to discribe someone who had a big toolbox and couldn't use them, "all the gear, no idea". Now with yours and a few other marksmen's help, i am getting a better marksman.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Thanks. Yes the H & N in .177 do seem from talking to others a little more consistent in weight. I'm not knocking the pellet though as its just amazing in my springer when I've weighed them out. Its just a shame the whole tin isn't at a better consistency which is down to the manufactures and the way they produce them. Si.

@rv3571 9 лет назад

Extremely useful video Si thanks again, Initially got into watching your hunting vids, but having gone through and re watched them twice started on the more technical elements and found them even more interesting tbh! helps no end.

@PointofimpactTV 11 лет назад

A great experiment I've always thought about is whether a heavier pellet will be more accurate at longer range or whether a flatter trajectory is better. It would be interesting to try 15.4 and 14.7 grn pellets at 30-55 m or so. Great video as always Si, keep em coming!

@cleanhit777 11 лет назад

Nice video, shooting accurately is all about consistency and eliminating all the variables which includes your ammunition. I've found ftt in .177 good for this with approx 1.5% variance around the mean weight and accupell in .22 at 0.5% variance which is amazing. The weight on the tin is not always a good guide as you point out and it doesn't matter if your scales are out so long as they are consistently out. Thanks for giving us all food for thought lads

@hunter100t 11 лет назад

Si, Do you think that was a typo error by H and N, Or do you reckon it is a proper cock up in the weight. Thanks for drawing attention to it mate, and good vid. Always a pleasure.

@kevingrimbeek2106 10 лет назад

Nice, ordinary, down to earth, now frills demo. And very good shooting, in case you didn't know!

@rob16268 11 лет назад

I shoot the H&N FTT. My groups are OK but not great. I though it was me. I have trusted this pellet. Very interesting experiments. I shall do similar, mostly just for fun as my standards may be slightly less than yours and Davey's. But do enjoy a plinking exercises. Thanks!

@hiseminencetheholymacdiarmada 5 лет назад

I always weigh and separate my pellets. Folks would be surprised at how even the best pellets vary in weight. For example, I mainly use H&N Baracuda match .22 which are labeled 21.14gr but they vary between 20.6 and 21.1, majority of them are about 20.9. I go out to 100m and that .5 grain difference is very noticeable at that distance.

@Ray2001ify 5 лет назад

Took me 6 years to get a gamo and benjamin to shoot like this...just tipping the pellets into my hand and from hand to hand i found so many lead flakes....explains allot...i need a scale

@gilblue326 5 лет назад

I have been watching your videos for quit a while and really enjoy them. thanks for the info and please keep up the great work!!!

@shawndubay3736 5 лет назад

WOW!! That rifle is flippin accurate. Darn good critter rifle for pesting and small game hunting. As long as you had pellets you could survive in the wilderness by hunting & fishing if you had to. Great video thank you for sharing.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Merry Christmas to you too Lope. Si.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Thanks Roger buddy. Thats a very nice comment. Si.

@jezza42 11 лет назад

Another quality video Si, Nice one mate! :) Just as an insight, about 15yrs ago when i was FT shooting i tried H & N Trophies for a while but found way back them exactly the same problem as you've encountered here but that was in .177, looks as tho H & N still have problems now. Keep up the good work pal!

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Hi mate, I think that both the TX200 HC and Pro Sport are 2 of the best spring piston rifles that you can buy straight out the box to shoot with. They shoot like a semi tuned SFS HW. I think it would make a excellent hunting rifle. I have owned a Pro Sport (just buying a new one as well) and I have shot the TX200HC many times and for me the Pro Sport is the better rifle as it fits me better in the shoulder. I would go Pro Sport personally myself. Si.

@dopeofthepope 8 лет назад

If you want more consistency, try JSB Jumbo Heavy Pellets in 18.13 grain - they are usually between 18.20 and 18.60 grains. I shoot those with a 45 ft/lb Walther MaximaThor (PCP) and the rifle loves them. 3/4" groups at 60 yards under ideal conditions. I just ordered me some Bisley Magnums (which are rebranded H&N Baracudas) out of curiosity and I´ll see how they do. It is best to try all JSB pellets in the .22 caliber. I can almost guarantee you that one or the other will shoot perfect groups.

@ianwiddicombe4407 9 лет назад

I set a reg the other day... It worked out at 11.6 ftlb using a 14.66 as marked on tin. .. We weighed 20 pellets and yeah 15.3! That made the gun 12.1 ftlb not 11.6 !!! But H&Ns are lovely... My 77 and Hornet love em

@timlewing2904 10 лет назад

Hi Si, as one of your previous comments showed there is some controversy over how to lube pellets, some say use a few drops of oil in a plastic beaker for PCP and others say use furniture polish for springers, what method do you use? great vid for showing what can happen with different pellet weights

@mikecarter9956 9 лет назад

Yes Joey Zane, however lubing the pellets stops oxidisation. I am peeved however as I bought some H&N FTT to see what they work like in my PCP and now I find I need to buy scales!

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Yes could be also something to do with it a bit mate. I was shooting the groups from the kneeling supported position. Resting on my garden table.

@reggiebuffat 11 лет назад

There is not much of a north/south grouping on the sorted pellets though. the sorted group has more of a rounded disposition that would result from a more random distribution of the weights rather than a vertical string due to breathing. Amazing shooting.

@oliverparge1976 11 лет назад

Nice Vid,M8! Very Informative... Its amazing how much difference a slide tolerance in Pellet Weight can cause...

@numbskull314 11 лет назад

dont know if you already use it but there is a cracking bit of free software to measure your groupings called on target you scan your target and can also save them on your comp for reference:)

@wibble1999 9 лет назад

Si... I noticed at 13.50 you were measuring the up down gap with your calipers and measured way too far down... you were measuring the tear mate....instead of 12.4x you should have been in the 9s or 10s. spot on accuracy as always and brilliant videos. regards to the team and your good lady mate

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Well Mike i think you are asking a question here that you and most shooters with a little experience already knows the answer to. A bigger pellet diameter / size will have a effect on POI. The more or less friction caused by the pellet going through the barrel = more or less speed which in turn = a shift in impact at the target end. Some barrels only like 1 head size. My mrs old Ultra loved 4.53 mm pellets and 1 holed with them but it wouldn't with the same pellet brand in 4.52 mm. Si.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

This is true mate but the readings are only 0.1 out from each other with the same pellet weighted more than once. The pellets are supposed to be 14.66 grain but they are no where near this even with the error in the scales.

@dadmezz4024 4 года назад

Thank you. Now that I;ve shot a bit, I'll try the weight sorting.

@lopeasantos1 11 лет назад

hi Mr.Si The grouping was not really bad from the three experiments. On 10shots, it also happen to us that one or two pellets comes out of the ring. Considering your distance of 25yards, and a grouping of 20mm that would be a lot of Wild Ducks on the table for Christmas all head shots. Happy Holiday to everyone, Lope

@pb811000 11 лет назад

Watching you useing a screw to fix the peace of card to the wood got me thinking. I can screw a screw into a peace of wood and use it as a homemade target. The small headed screws would be a challange. It goes to show that a small diference in weight does have an affect on distance.

@0808SCOOTER 11 лет назад

thanks Si i hope you enjoy your new Pro-sport they are great air rifles but you all ready know that, i am looking forward to your next vid and i realy enjoy your spring air--rifle hunting with davy safe shooting mate scoot

@MikeRT4 11 лет назад

Hi Si, I found that the scales can give spurious readings (it seemed like you did as well at the start of your video?). Basically I don't think the cheap scales are particularly accurate (and mine were three times the cost of the ones you use), but even then I found that I could weigh the same pellet three times and get three different readings depending on how long the scales had been on for. This was despite letting them temperature equalise as per the instuctions. Food for thought....

@nathanspencer55 11 лет назад

Thumbs up from me bud between you and davy are the best shooters iv seen defo wash lube me pellets from.now on

@luisvazquez3703 7 лет назад

nice accurate rifle good work si

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

No problems mate. Just goes to show that you need to seriously look at your pellets once you have bought them. Si.

@risingfriend100 11 лет назад

Nice vid Si, Shows the advantage of weighing pellets mate.ATB Aaron

@cumscrote 11 лет назад

Great vid mate, i did a very quick test at Petes air gun farm, i tested lubed and unlubed, there was no difference! i cleaned the barrel first and shot the unlubed first.. not a scientific test by any stretch.. but seemed the same to me..

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Thanks for the nice comment mate, but in all honesty there are many more shooters that are a 100 times better at shooting than we are but don't make videos on RU-vid. We will keep practicing and doing HFT and hopefully by next year or the year after will be good enough to start and win a medals here and there in HFT. I want to go down the spring rifle route which takes quite a lot of dedication and practice. Weve got new springers being designed for us that will soon be unveiled Si.

@salopsniper22 10 лет назад

Si have you tried Falcon Accuracy Plus in .22? My Air ranger loves them, I am just washing, lubing and then weighing some out to try to improve on them some more ! Regards Matt

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Your accuracy results would improve I think mate. It works for me so I cant see why it wouldn't work for everyone. Si.

@jhareng 11 лет назад

Its a sizing issue Shoot a longer distance and it would show up as numerous group sizes same hole.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

There wont be a difference straight away buddy. Your missing the whole point as do many. For washing It takes time for lead particles to build up in your barrel and have a effect on your accuracy. You will notice the difference at range and after prolonged shooting with unwashed pellets. In regards to lubing this only assists in keeping your barrel rust free and in tip top condition for longer. If tested on a chrono it also sometimes add a slight bit of power mate.

@MikeRT4 11 лет назад

I wonder if the sizing has anything to do with the POI drops as well? Would be interesting to see if the ones that were higher / lower were slightly bigger / smaller size than the others, just to elminate this from the equation? This would then give a definitive answer that it was the weight that had more effect than the size? At present the experiment is only an "assumption" that the POI difference it is entirely due to weight differences and you know what they say about assuming ;).

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Yes I agree totally myself. I think its shocking that they are like they are. Si.

@TriggerPullTV 11 лет назад

Great video Si, I'll be buying some scales after watching this

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

A pcp barrels are different mate so you have to do your testing with different quality brands to find out. Si.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

No not in my rifle. Accupels do work pretty well but the H and N are just a bit better in my barrel. My barrel likes a 5.53mm pellet. Si.

@joedejesus6363 5 лет назад

Great video, and awrsome lesson learned Mr. Pittaway. Other than washing and weighing your pellets, will "sizing" help them out as well?

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

I cant remember buddy. it came with the rifle. Ive since sold the Pro Sport.

@MikeRT4 11 лет назад

I know, but I was just wondering if the extra weight was due to these pellets being physically bigger, as it is a substantial difference, so the POI might be more to do with this than the actual weight difference - hence suggesting you check this aspect as well ;).

@glinnz05 8 лет назад

I tell ya, as far as .177 pellets go, the RWS superdome 8.3g pellets are the best pellet for accuracy, Ive got a 1200 ruger rifle and if you miss with these your eyes are off....its best to get them thru walmart in store pickup as far as price goes...

@54Howie 11 лет назад

Great video Si I am away to buy a set of scales.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

No definitely not mate. Different pellet brands will have different BC values and exit the muzzle at different speeds due to head size and dimensions so shoot all over the place. Keep to the same type but of a more consistent weight. Si.

@richardshomemechanics5566 3 года назад

Hi Si I’ve just weighed my pellets the same ones as yours and I’m also getting 14.6g And 15.4 and your video is 5 years old it just shows they are still knocking them out at them weights have they got QC ??

@thestokie3 11 лет назад

Cheers Si looks like I will be making some target discs :) Stacy

@lfcmarkeb7124 5 лет назад

feel a lot happier seeing everyone you getting flyers, maybe having a per and shooting at same time didn't help first group hmmm. lol

@specialtrowelservice 11 лет назад

very informative video there ,wont be byeing them in a hurry from watching your other vids u use accupels witch are very good till I tested airarms diablos field best groups ever in my 97

@filoIII 11 лет назад

I ordered a HW97K synthetic that shoots way low. Barrel droop I guess. I'll give Pyramyd Air a chance to send me a proper compensator. For that much cash, it shouldn't have a problem.

@RiojaRoj 6 лет назад

If you think 1 grain difference is a lot, check out this ; H&N Field Target Trophy (5.53) .22 - Air Rifle Pellet Review #1 and the chat we've had re: 25 or 16 Joules ??? very strange !

@tonymurphy5935 9 лет назад

Hello Si, I would first like to thank you for the excellent videos you put out mate, top notch every time. My question is both to you or to anyone else reading this I am looking for a good accurate field rifle to practice with and build up to hunting squirrel and rabbit but only have in the range of around £200 to invest been eyeing up the SG SUPERGRADE CUSTOM CARBINE HUNTER XS19.... Could you point me in the right direction and also advise on a fair scope in the less than £50 bracket.. Sorry for the whopping font size.. Copied and pasted it from the SMK web site mate. Cheers Tony - Castle hill

@ramvan2284 10 лет назад

THANKS MATE, APPRECIATE THE EXPERIMENT

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

No i just think the pellet dih as changed which as slightly changed the weight mate. That or the quality control as gone to cock.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Sounds like you need to pack your back mount with some 35mm camera film. That will sort your droop error. Si.

@Kdougyd 11 лет назад

Can you do a video of how you wash and lube your pellets. Also I have heard some controversy about lubing pellets to be shot in a spring piston air rifle. What are your thoughts on that. Enjoy your videos. Thanks

@MrAllaqua 9 лет назад

Awesome vid Si .. but why did you have a toilet break at 7.30 on the vid ;) when you gotta go ..you gotta go :)

@leswhinn 11 лет назад

Hello Si, Happens with most pellets says one weight but then so many are heavier than stated on the tin, I use crosman premiers in the .177 Rapid and they are clinically accurate and my Mk1(old type) Rapid .22 with a 19" Weihrauch barrel likes All pellets but mainly use AA Field 5.51-16gr and 18gr deadly too as are every other in this rifle But thought i'd get some of these to try in all my air rifles >Baracuda Hunter Extreme pellets< Have you ever used them? Enjoy all yer RU-vid up's ;)

@stevehickling7435 10 лет назад

Good info buddy.Spot on

@kingkong01903 11 лет назад

another great video si and i do the same for my hw97k and just wondered how you do it to see if i can inprove the way i preperare my pellets and how do i work out the bc for pellets after you have cleaned and lubed them and just wandered what you set up is for all this many thanks look fowered to hearing from you

@dadmezz4024 8 лет назад

Thank you Si....I 've taken your and Davey' s advice and performing wash and lube....I think the cheap cphp are tracking better in all my air rifles ....what order do you suggest this process should be done...clean, weigh, then lube? Wondering if head and/or skirt size differences could be your fliers and not a flaw in your skill. What do you think in order of importance for a consistent pellet flight...clean, weight, lube, skirt size, then head size? I'm trying to improve my skills and trying to sort cphp pellets to work best for all the air rifles...great hobby.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

I've been out this morning hunting but there was nothing out so i set some bottle tops up at 60 metes and with the weighed pellets were hitting them very consistently. 4 out of 5 shots straight away. The one i missed i hit on the 6th shot. The just for plinking pellets were not so good at 1 out of 5 hits only. Si.

@carlosvdd1 6 лет назад

VerminHuntersTV The H&N FTT in .22 are actually lighter now than when I began shooting with them in my 97k. They weighed 15.9grain when I first tried them years ago but even now they out-perform most pellets on the market thru the 97k and I still use them for target and knock down power

@TheBlabla1996 10 лет назад

Nice video I didn't know weight was such factor, may I ask how you did you washed them? some Pellets are very dirty with lead.

@twoninecav 6 лет назад

Oí..Oi proper video. What kind of coat is that? Did you serve?

@donwilson350 9 лет назад

Hey I couldn't see what brand of 22cal gun were you using in the video it was a really nice shooting gun

@holmes1978 10 лет назад

Hi Si how are you in case you don't know ? Try these pellets that just came out ,H&N Hornet Pellets, .177 Cal, 8.80 Grains, Hollowpoint, 225ct ,they are going through items like never before !!! Please tell me what you think with your Weih

@hairybiker1959 11 лет назад

thanks si that was very interesting,what do you wash your pellets in and what do you lube them with

@MylesNicholas 8 лет назад

Excellent test. What next, perhaps head size. A USB microscope to look for nicks in the skirt. Such a challenge, nice video.

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

So true.

@NorthFloridaAirGunner 2 года назад

Sounded like someone took a piss during your video yeah lol. Good video.

@bobbythompson3544 5 лет назад

I have always used Bisley Magnums in .177 although I now have trouble finding them, does anyone know if there is a problem with supply?

@simons.2948 6 лет назад

That explains why I got the odd flyer in my H&N sniper lights. My HW100KT fires faster FPS with higher ft lbs the lighter the pellet. AA Diablo filed are down to about 10,7 ft lbs but the sniper lights give me much faster FPS and hover around 11.65 ft lbs. is this normal? Thanks mate.

@moekakke 8 лет назад

I have used these pellet's in my pcp at 300 m/s and it was verry inacurate. To you get same result's with the JSB en these pellet's ?

@glennsmith7575 8 лет назад

si, what pellets or pellet brand would you say had the lest amount of weight varience straight out of the tin? would be good to know what your findings are. thank you and cheers

@thestokie3 11 лет назад

Nice vid Si I think I will be investing in some scales and lube after watching this..What are the sizes of target in HFT as if I have the correct punch at work I shall make myself some cheers Stacy

@VerminHuntersTV 11 лет назад

Pellet scales ate £10 from eBay which includes your postage. Ill put a link up in the description for you mate. Si.

@ddnuk 11 лет назад

Hi Si, I was wondering what scales you were using as I too am seeing issues I believe due to pellet weight, but the scales I have are not accurate enough on my .177 pellets. Thanks!

@1LRLRG 11 лет назад

Would you be able to mix different makers pellets of same style and weight and expect to get accurate results?

@0808SCOOTER 11 лет назад

Hi Si i think the same way you do, i wash and lube the pellets and believe that it gives you that little bit of an edge when it comes to accuracy,if you dont mind me asking what are your thoughts on a Tx200Hc in .22 for hunting and how would you compare it to the Pro-sport. best regards scoot

@HarryVigers 11 лет назад

what do you find the best pellet is for a pcp air rifle?

@salopsniper22 11 лет назад

Hi Si, what scales are these and what sort of cost are they ? There are plenty on the online auction site but I don't know which to go for ! Please help ?