It is very real for other people in the world. Child marriage, women beating until death for adultery, women forced to cover their face (even if they do not want to), women and girls who can not travel or have medical threatment without a man´s permission, women who can not study or work without a man´s permision, women who are legally kipnapped in their houses, etc. It is very real in other parts of the world.
@@strugglingcollegestudent Ik, but the baby looking from the actor to the mother to the actor again is just incredibly funny to me (Downton Abbey has loads of scenes like that with Edith and her daughter)
@@amyconway1631 in Victoria and Albert the baby is so cute. The baby that plays infant Vicki seems so at ease with Jenna Coleman she must have done a great job bonding with the child.
Serena is a pure evil. She helped her husband to build this world where she (and only few other women) would be on top, so she was absolutely fine with the fact that others would serve her, be raped so she could have a baby. She experienced betrayal from her husband, had her finger cut and realized that Gilead doesn't care about her either (surprise!), but even now she works for Gilead and wants Nicole back just because it makes her happy. She acts like a selfish kid and I can't feel sorry for her anymore. She had a chance to choose a side, she made her choice and doesn't deserve to be saved.
@@babymaude8469 The same applies to women and people who claim to be religious who vote for Trump. Thank God that evil orange Hitler wannabe lost! Had he won he would of tried to turn America into Gilead and started a white supremacy regime
This never would have happened if Serena was able to conceive a child. If Serena bore a child before Gilead, she never would have helped make this place. She only did this to have a child.
Ikr? I wanna it to see how Serena would react if she sees June made it to Canada with her daughter Hannah and others. How she would gonna feel regret everything she has cause her and every other woman in Gilead, for treating them like shit and disgusted. I hope June would slap her like the last time she did with Fred, that would make my day. 😊
In what way is this woman Nicole’s mom? Did she donate an egg? No. Did she carry her and give birth to her? Nope, June did. Did she raise the baby? No, Luke and Moira are. Serena doesn’t actually love this baby, she loves the commodification of the baby. What if the baby grew up to look like June and have some of her traits as a teenager? Would she love her then? She didn’t think this through
This scene makes me angry. It makes me realise just how delusional serena really is. As if that child is going to want to remember her? Then that "I protected your wife" line as a what, a threat it sounded like? Then the ever frustrating line "is there anything you want me to tell your wife?" as if for one she would actually pass anything on to june and two, why are you making sound like his wife and yourself are just going on a trip or out for dinner. She's being held hostage! Also, why didn't luke ask about Hannah?
He definitely wanted to but it would have been way too risky because he realizes he was speaking to the woman who helped create a society that justifies religious fanaticism and rape . Serena already has enough leverage with having June as her Handmaid and asking about Hannah would give her more than enough leverage as Hannah in this situation is also a hostage
It's funny how soon Serena completely forgot about Nicole after she herself got pregnant. It's crazy how she easily gave up her obsessions and so called love. Just shows how she only cares for herself
I watched this with my wife (she’s a therapist) & she wanted to rip her hair out of her head. Serena is absolutely crazy, what june said in later episodes “you built this whole place just so you wouldn’t be alone” is so true! Serena oppressed thousands of women by enabling their rape & their forced births , just so that she can have a child. Newsflash as harsh as it sounds but no one is responsible for your birth struggles, women don’t owe you anything, not even if you force them to give birth to a child that you want to steal.
I think what bothers me the most about this scene is that Luke doesn’t mention Hannah. He never once asks about her or where she is. He only mentions June. When she’s talking about her love for nichole why wouldn’t he say, “yeah, I love my daughter Hannah too.”
Yes just tell your enemy your biggest weakness while trying to show strength. She already knows June is his weakness but reminding her that she can get what she wants through threatening hannah is not a good idea.
Serena is such a great character in this Story. She reminds me of Cersei from GoT. I love Serena so much. She isn't just evil like Fred. She is much more. She is a smart, clever, evil and at the same time she is an emotional, empathetic, and courages Woman. I really do believe that she regrets having helped with the development of Gilead. I guess that she imagined something else while helping in the development of Gilead. She would be such a great and strong mother. Yes, I know she is evil. I know she did so many false Things but she also did and still does good Things. She isn't just evil. I just think that she Needs to get rid off Fred. He is just a border and I really do believe that there is a man who could love and protect much better than Fred ever did. Edit: Yvonne is such a marvelous actress, so elegant and Pretty. Love her.
I would agree that she’s a complicated character, but Cersei is so much more likeable than Serena Joy. They’re both malicious blonde women in positions of power, but at least Cersei was never brainwashed into allowing for her own repression. She fought it all of the way through. As a woman, I can sympathize more with a woman who commits atrocities for her own power than a woman who commits atrocities for someone else’s power and her own subjugation. Cersei is fun to watch. Serena just makes me furious.
I think Cersei be digusted by Serena once she learned how Serena had power and was taken seriously by her peers Before, and threw it away. And I feel like Serena would be disgusted by how Cersei has three children but neglected the two little ones in favor of Joff
@@AxelBain I hate to break it to you... But it has happened to probably millions of women in cults. And not always to terrible women either. It's very much a form of extreme brainwashing. Even though she is complicit in what happens, she is also concurrently a victim of the system. That's what interesting about her. She does terrible things but is still extremely brainwashed through shame, abuse and control to behave a certain way. And she is coerced and manipulated to enforce the status quo of the cult, even though it comes at the cost of her own freedom and betraying other women. A cult usually starts out trying to be a utopia. For a religious cult, people who want to live more in line with what they view as the righteous way. People get drawn in because they believe they're making a better version of society. It often also pulls in people who are lonely and vulnerable and idealistic. And there's often a charismatic leader/s after a power trip. Women in these cult situations are conditioned to be their own enforcers and to subjugate one another. They are praised and allowed scraps of power as long as they behave the way the cult dictates. As soon as they rebel they are usually swiftly and viciously punished and shamed by both the men and the women. Gilead is an extreme example. Women who rebel are exiled, tortured or executed. Should also be noted that in these type of religious cults being married and having a lot of children is basically treated as the pinnacle of a woman's life. That is basically all women CAN do, outside of chores and being a housewive. They're cut off from the outside world. They can't get a proper education. They can't get a normal job. They can't become leaders. They usually can't even choose who they're married to and could be the 16th wife of a man. So that goes a bit of the way to explain why Serena is so ridiculously obsessed with having a child. It is easier for her to ignore the reality of the society she is in because she is one of the few women with a scrap of power. It benefits her greatly to uphold the system and to be cruel and inhumane to the women beneath her if it means she can save herself and get what she believes she needs to be complete (a child). She can even perhaps justify it in the beginning as right and doesn't acknowledge reality. Or that she is a victim too. Of course she does figure out slowly that Gilead actually sucks (of what I've seen of the show so far). But that is contending with her brainwashing and her cruel, selfish desires.
Cersei is soooo much more fun than Serena. I’ve never wanted to scream at Cersei over shit she pulled. She’s more of a magnificent bastard politicking, but Serena is just enabling an authoritarian dictatorship and is a literal rapist. As a Scott, there’s always frustration from me and the rest of my family from a lack of accountability. We always say “made your bed, sleep in it” and Serena’s concern to have a child in NO way justifies helping to orchestrate the murders of hundreds of thousands of innocent people, the mass rapes of thousands as well, the enslavement of the female sex, e.t.c. She has to deal with the consequences of her actions. She couldn’t be a mother so she helped create a system where she could, one that oppressed and kills thousands if not millions of people. And then when a sane world says, “yeah, no, you should not be a mother” she gets upset, even though the only claim she has to the child is an oppressive dictatorship she helped create? Made your bed, sleep in it.
The only correct things Serena said in that sentence was that it’s not ab biology. Because it’s ab love and Luke may not be the father but he is more of a parent than she ever will be and she doesn’t deserve to raise a child ESPECIALLY a daughter
Fucking hell, Serena is terrifying, not because she does evil things bc a lot of villains do but because people like that exist. People who believe that they are entitled to everything, who are selfish and cruel but seem kind. They are everywhere, that is why Serena Waterford is terrifying.
One of my favourite shows. Can't wait for season 6. I am just reminding myself of certain scenes and character dynamics. And this scene makes my blood boil, however, I totally forgot the exchange in the beginning, and it just me laugh. A lot... The delivery of that "Fuck you" from Luke was something I forgot. Totally justified.
Serena forgets all about Holly/Nicole when she finds out she’s pregnant. She doesn’t love Holly, she loves the idea of a baby. She’s absolutely obsessed with motherhood and has helped created Gilead to become a mother and has the audacity to present herself as innocent. She has not given birth to Holly, donated her eggs to make her, raised her with love (Luke and Moira are doing that). She is not Holly’s mother. She even has the audacity to blackmail Luke by using the love he has for June to let her hold the baby. And yes Luke is not her biological father, but she’s right it’s about love. He’s raising her and loving her because she’s his wife’s child and it’s what she would want.
.......and just when I was hoping for a June/Serena team up. I tell you something, Luke did very well to keep his anger in check. The utter contempt he has for the Waterfords and what they stand for, if not for the child's presence, I reckon he would've punched her in the face. A great episode, this one. And the ending? Flerking b***h!!
The “fuck you” was SOOOOOO satisfying. He’s an actual father and has cared for a child. It really cements how much better a parent he is than Serena ever would be, and reinforces the moral high ground of Canada after the infuriating gaslighting of “these people are unfit to have children while we, rapists, should be.” It was great seeing Luke essentially spit in Serena’s face.
When Serena passive aggressively told him how she protected June and he realized he was putting June in danger by not playing nice broke my heart. Go to Hell, Serena. 😡
@@liorasitelman1856 you're 100% right. I mentioned in another comment when Serena said "I protected your wife" it was a threat. Luke realized that. That's why he took that stupid necklace and let her hold Holly.
When Serena started with that "I protected your wife" crap and Luke realized she was making thinly veiled threats and what it might mean if he didn't kiss up to her I got a chill...my blood ran cold.
Even though she is a bad person. I totally feel her love for the child even though she’s not her own child. I can feel it. I have experienced it. It not wrong. Debate me. I can even take a bullet for her. And yes that thought happened before I wrote this comment.
"you need to understand I protected your wife," um I uh er I'm sorry WHAT?!?!? so you DIDN'T hold her down as your husband raped her to induce labor which was YOUR IDEA?!? No that didn't happen??? ?
That’s what I’m saying like so now everything she did to June held her down to get raped every month induce the labour and treat her like an animal we’re just gonna throw all that out the window???
Everyone forget so quickly how much "Serena" was brainwashed. I doubt Yvonne thought Gilead would act the way it did and when it did she had no control over it anymore. Ffs the one time she spoke up they cut her pinky.
@@Las645 again, no. From what little we saw, she was running a campaign to get her husband's party elected. She did also write *on paper* how Gilead should work but theory and practicality are two very different things.
“She’s not yours either” No, but her mother WANTED Luke to have her, he didn’t rip her from her arms “I wanted her to have a better life” So you admit the world you helped build is terrible
The pain so many women go through, watching others have babies, only wishing to the core they could carry a child themselves. This will always be something that breaks my heart.
I’m hoping like hell that Serena asked for June to be in the video to show to the world how fucked up Gilead is. I love Yvonne Strahovski as an actress and want to be able to root for her so badly. Please give her that redemption arc. She’s too talented to be the frigid religious nut all of the time.
