The Hard Problem of Matter: Deepak Chopra and Rupert Spira 

He's terrible.

He even winds up the trolls.

A bit too intellectual for my taste

For your personality… right? Or are you the master voice of all?

dunno about that, but great name!

I don't find "space" or "time" or an XYZ coordinate system to be sufficient to explain reality anymore. But I like the rest of this quote. We can imagine "timeless" and "spaceless" objects, for example "a red cube" that is not in any space or time context, it's just that red cube in your mind. Or you could imagine abstract objects like "the smell of coffee". The only constraint it seems, with perception or thoughts is that they are necessarily object-oriented. Any attempt to cognize a mere feature of an object casts it as a new object. That's why we find smaller and smaller particles, we can't see it any other way.

Tell this to the folks in Ukraine and they become soooo happy.

How do you know that this statement is right?

@@oscar3490 Namaste Oscar, Its self explanatory, use your heart not your head. Blessings to you. 🙏💙🙏

Beautiful! Love that 💗 I agree i think Rupert is the best non- duality teacher in my book anyways 💗

Now you're no more? On what point you do not follow him any more? I don't know Rupert too much. Watched a couple of his video clips.

@@christinedavison7604 "You hide in me and I hide in you, we hide in each other" (RUMI)

Rupert is amazingly eloquent and understandable. Not surprised.

That’s great. Why is he here acting like he knows ( listen closely.Sam Harris obliterated him and he has not learned $$$$) here I wonder whereas anyone that actually knows it, spent time close to someone that does sees Deepak is an actor of knowing truth. That’s the laughter in the room. Sit down Deepak. You’re distorting truth for millions and a karmic debt you don’t have much time to correct. True silence is a mystery to you and complication the norm.

@@is-ness "I" came to the same "understanding"...."He" is still in prison.

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​@@serafimsousa5383absolutely but in the very tricky im awake trap.

Deepak is humbly inserting things that many would who do not fully grasp this. If we are all one consciousness it doesn't negate separate personalities, nor levels of understanding. It is Deepaks stage and I feel his admiration for Rupert and enjoy his willingness to take the separate self position to get better clarity and explanation out of Rupert. As he said for people to understand this. Vicki

@@richardeidemiller6739hanks for sharing this, because I get frustrated with explaining this and forget this very valid point of view. I'll work to be more accommodating.

@@versoturner5777 Why is Rupert so obsessed with consciousness as it is a common daily experience for people I feel he's making a big deal out of it. And I don't agree that one can not experience the past, take the experience of having sex if one recall the act it's can cause a physical arousal which is proof of the past influencing the present.

That is indeed a thought about 'the past' but it is a thought that is being experienced in the present moment, and in that sense there is no past that exists, only thoughts appearing in the present moment. It would be precisely the same for 'the future'

As Chopra pointed out at the beginning, he is doing his job as interviewer by offering opportunities for Rupert to explain the nuances of his ideas. It is not a competition.

No. Deepak is not enlightened. He believes he is and thus convincing but there is no illumination there at all. Rupert gently holding him accountable. Sometimes in shock at his delusional.

I see/feel LOADS of tension! You like Rupert's Devotees laughing at him!?

Tension?? Naw, it’s delightful… it’s love 😊

@@artofunk haha, you can ignore zee elephant in zee room, you will perceive as u wish... I am not saying it is how they would be on their own, I imagine they are good if not great friends in natural life ... But I am afraid poor Deepak is eliciting a kind if gross ignorance (i.. laughing at a so-called 'stupid' person, which is amongst, perhaps, the highest ignorance any one of us could display!) ) from the audience, and not only that, it is SO MANY of them! (Which is the most disturbing thing) rupert -I can't tell how he really feels, plays a long with it!! explain yourself if you care, Artofunk! Really, not seeing something plain and obvious to most! I think you must see it. So how do you interpret the laughter!

@@juliangiulio3147 thanks for sharing. I’ll just say that the nature of our being is happiness.. adopting this from Rupert, I see these two displaying happiness in this exchange…

@@artofunk Ok... We (or those who are concerned) are really talking of the audience! There are many Rupert-sceptics in the human-spirituality world, but they rarely come to see him talking!

Same. Powerful profound talk here

@SIMPLY HUMAN This is not what other contemporary sages say -nor is it what quantum mechanics is suggesting! Deepak is no materialist.. He is just asking questions for the common-person -which Rupert 'devotees' laugh at - which I find quite horrible (but if people find something is funny to one it is funny!)

@SIMPLY HUMAN ur trapped in language. I’ve been following Rupert for years. His teachings are vendanta. Non duality. It’s not absurd. I know people who had an awakening from his teachings. Stop being so critical and mental. If it doesn’t sit well with u then move on. U don’t need to call what they say absurd. Rupert is pointing to the non dual state which is “consciousness” but that’s just a word. The essence of reality is beyond words. Consciousness does not arise out of matter. Matter arises out of consciousness. And matter itself isn’t really matter. Matter is made of consciousness. The building blocks of matter is non material. I dislike when people knock on people when these people are trying to speak about the unspeakable and the unknowable. Meaning the unknowable can’t be known with the mind. One must move past mind to get a glimpse of what they are pointing to

@SIMPLY HUMAN I've been listening to the likes of Rupert Sheldrake, Chalmers and follow panpsychism and find them incredibly interesting. But Rupert spira takes it a step further than they do, or at least I haven't heard them take it this far. The way he describes consciousness is pretty spot on with vedic teachings. You say 'something is conscious. something is not consciousness' - how can that be? Non duality by it's very nature is all encompassing. It is both subject and object. It is everything.

@SIMPLY HUMAN did you watch the full conversation? They do address this point.

Both are highly intellectual. But i feel JK is on a even higher level. Also JK talks about our direct experience of life, where Rupert talks about objective reality but we dont have much use of that since its not our direct experience of life.

@SIMPLY HUMAN why do you separate 'Understanding' and knowing your true nature. They are the same thing!

Experientially they are not if understanding you mean someone has described the taste of sugar but you have not tasted it. This means one can distort that over time in communicating that to others and inflate a spiritual ego. Eg Deepak etc etc etc etc etc etc Knowing is EXTREMELY rare and The understanders get trapped….deeply usually at mental understanding and why Ramana said it was for the end of the path. Few get the sacrifice and healing within that needs to occur to hold knowing ongoing. Hence Raman’s words his teaching followers have forgotten either by accident or design. Teaching the end to ignorance that’s too deep traps the node of consciousness or human being longer. If we now reply with the is no person and it’s not your radiant experience ongoing than my point is proven. Rupert does not mention the light experienced by that and “others” enough imo that allows large followings but is a trap for most as the claim WAY to early and that mitigate it to an imagined knowing.

He also explains THAT the unexplainable non state wonderfully!

@@is-ness That the 'me' (the 'separate thing me,' apart from God or the Whole) does not exist in any shape or from is what is crucial if really want to awaken and 'go for' what-is-known-from-here as 'Enlightenment'... which is just an awakening, or a 'recognition' (Spira's words) for it. It is simple and no big-deal on the one hand, but it is Huge and momentous on the other, affecting everything in our lives and -albeit in a subtle way perhaps, ever being we may encounter! If we KNOW this (you suggested it is very rare), then we will never get a spiritual ego - for that whole mistaken disease' has died. Gurdjieff says 'we can allow ourselves to fall asleep with others' -i.e. whom have no interest in the Depth, Truth and Power of being truly awake - but we should not get lost: once we have seen the so-called 'snake' as a rope, we are never fooled, really ever again! Re Mr. Chopra, I might be wrong, which is partly why I make comments elsewhere, but I believe you misunderstand what Deepak is doing. Recently he has had his own 'dark night of the soul' and I think he gets it more than just in his mind! Here, (this is where I might be wrong?) to me he is playing the role of the 'ignorant' seeker, for the sake of Rupert elucidation misunderstand But what he says is perfectly fine, from 99.9% of people in the world - to which the incredibly condescending and worse audience laugh at! How they must look down on the average person in life! Gurdjieff called them 'tramps'! Mr Spira kind of utilises it, he seems to slightly play the role of the serious one who agrees with their humour but is 'above' it. This is what my sensitivity and awareness gleans from some of this encounter. I think Rupert gets it, and is a Good guy, but all teacher share their human limitations, and Rupert certainly does.

@SIMPLY HUMAN No sir, not for me. There is no death for the I that we are. That is the whole point! All the matters -always and everywhere, is how you are right now! That is our choice/non-choice; everything else is an escape from the directness and Here-ness and depth of Reality, of Life or aliveness right right here and now. I myself don't differentiate b/ween those first two words, not would word it like that in yr second sentence! I wonder what is the point if you are random conscious life temporarily inhabiting some form

LOL. Is everyone just enjoying complicated slang based on some basic principles taken from ancient scripts. Deepak chopra just using so unnecessary slang making him look good lol but no sense at all lol

@SIMPLY HUMAN The rabbit IS an appearance in consciousness. Life is an illusion , a mental happening. Is like the night dream, happening in consciousnes.The "creation " is mental not phisical.The "creator " is the Consciousness not an entity . And the sourse of the consciousness is the Absolute. The only thing real is the Absolute and "inside " the Absolute consciusness arise and "say" " I am" , the first thought .The consciousness produce thoughts not the individual mind.When the cosciousness identify with that thought "I am" apear the ego the individual mind ( the idea that you are the body). "I" is only a thought. You are only a thought in conscuiousness and anything else , any "thing" "object, body animal , feeling ...appear in consciousness like a dream from night. Only the Absolute is real and you (us) are That. Enlightment is realise that you are not the body/mind but the Absolute. In fact you desapear like an "I" and realise that always were the Absolute, the source of everything that apear only aparently.

@SIMPLY HUMAN why do you assume the universe was created?

@SIMPLY HUMAN what is being created and destroyed ?

@SIMPLY HUMAN how is that not an appearence within conciousness

All that inner stuff you mentioned is most definitively not the experience of world. Its your own conclusions and psychological drama.

If you see a rock, you can only see it, or touch it. If you think and say, he is mostly white so all rocks must be white, thats not an experience.

Wait till you get your next toothache !

Well put.

It's really hard, I tell you, trying to find it through some much BS

@@jorgetorres6162 But it is obvious, and rather trivial: if consciousness (awareness) is the ultimate reality, then the study of matter can never reveal what it is, since matter itself doesn't have a real existence of its own. It seems like BS to you because you have grown up with a materialistic philosophy (as have I). Belief in the primacy of matter seems obvious or self-evident, but that is an illusion. There is no proof that matter is primary to reality, just as there can be no proof that we are not realistic simulations inside some gigantic computer system.

"Matter" does not exist as standalone entities, nor do you. Consciousness precedes matter. Name and form constructs what the mind perceives to be static and matter through identifying with such thought forms and the immediate senses we have been given. Reality is beyond thought and the mind. Everything comes from the same One/Absolute in this whole cosmos.

@@IAn0nI As a follower of Advaita Vedanta in genera ,l and Sri Ramana Maharshi in particular, I agree with your statement.

@@michaeldillon3113 🙏

He used to do seated chanting meditation for many years prior to discovering advaitic teaching. Perhaps he is well accustomed to sitting straight and unsupported.

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Yes this was a tough lecture to understand for many people, as evidenced by the laughter

YES someone agrees with my take! This talk didn't do it for me. It was lacking a flow or... something.

One will be timeless and one will be imagining timeless through words. Work out which. 🤣

@@is-ness Stopppp😹

@@is-ness don’t be so harsh on him. He dedicated his life to sharing the …. He just needs to lower that vocabulary for me to keep up. Lets just love bro.😅

There is still the "hard" problem though - how do the two forces interact? The two forces being will/spirit/consciousness and the spacetime physical world.

I agree, they're both my fav teachers, along with Lisa Cairns, but I felt this was a hard watch. I felt sorry for Deepak, he was being beaten with the stick of pedanticness in front of all, when all he was trying to do was make it accessible to all, just like Oprah would do. Very Tony Parsons esc. Which isn't like Rupert's normal style.

Deepak is actually very humble, and, like many of us, wants to learn. He has also admitted that he has "the gift of gab", which, along with his early association with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, accounts for his fame and his many books and events. Often Deepak is the lecturer, but here he humbly takes his turn as student. They don't have much of a difference in background, as their common tradition can be traced to the Shankaracharya sampradaya in India. But when it comes to the basics of nonduality, there is no equal to the skill and experience of Rupert. It is a source of wonder, not at all a source of shame.

From where yours doubt camm from? Invastigacion if you missing somthing and ask who is this one have doubt and what this doubt teling you and be aware of nature of arising doubt ,,dimension someone search cannot be outside concisness to bring awernes now your mind cal douwn then real peace arise and doubt disapeears

Ofc there are more evolved civilisations. The universe is too big and exist for too long for not having more civilisations then us. They are also consciouss if they evolved enough

You sure you didn't mean Rupert?

​@@aisthpaoithtwhat did Rupert say that was off in your opinion?

Me too

Highly scientific and philosophical. Everyone should seek the knowledge of the Vedas. The Vedas is universal

Buzz Wordy if you are only mirroring and it's not your own authentic experience maybe you should be more careful about making these kinds of lofty statements about the mysteries of life ;-)

In all fairness, it should be admitted that the sleep experience of those not yet fully aware of their own awareness is not seen clearly, or is usually forgotten after waking up. When I teach, I am careful to acknowledge our everyday experiences before describing what "really" happens, or what happens after self-realization.

@@david203 Being aware of being aware.Thats it.

@@bodhiheeren Experience also my dear friend😀