Want to add a quick note to this video: Lots of people were asking what to do if they DIDN'T have a tempo start. You should look to turn the disadvantages of tempo play into your advantages. For example while fast tempo is generally the best way to play right now, it does have it's down sides. For instance you're always taking options based on things that make you strong NOW even if it might not be PERFECT later. But if you're not in a rush to be slamming and playing fast tempo than might as well greed instead right? So now you're taking items of carousel to build perfect items ex. BB for Karma instead of Adaptive or Shojin. You're taking Augments that are stronger later ex. You might not have a 4-cost now but Little Buddies for when you play Olaf or Ryze etc... is broken You are using OPTIMIZATION to make up for player who tempo'd. You can do that with level 8 boards as well as reroll. I just think the window for rerolling is much shorter this patch save for your usual 3-cost comps which spike earlier and harder than your 4-cost comps and can actually win out over them unlike 2/1 costs rn. Hopefully this helps! ~~~~~~ On another note, thank you so much for the positive reception! To be honest I was very anxious about this video and recorded this over and over again. I didn't think I was entertaining enough and my content wasn't good enough to keep watching as this was my longest video yet. I was blown away when I woke up the next day to check on how it did. I'm so relieved this format is something you guys enjoyed!
damn I've gotten to masters multiple seasons in a row and I've never thought about it this in depth especially the itemization. I always just think like what can I make now that's flexible rather than like playing items for tempo. honestly big difference
Hey man love the vid. Wish the section at the end explaining what to do when you don’t have a tempo start was longer. Sometimes I don’t have any good slamable items and didn’t find any two stars early on. I know I’m supposed to lose streak at that point but I struggle with stabilizing.
It’s because your only real option is to play a cheap reroll comp and play for 4th. When you lose streak early, you sack hp so it becomes more important to hit an early spike and then bleed out later
Thank you very much, some times o think of let go my attempt of getting better to get master because im kinda stuck on d3, but those videos always give me a new breath
This was such incredible discussion and original content. I wish more advice around the game was like this, less specific, more general game theory type of concepts. Speaking of, I wonder if you've ever considered doing an overlap video between TFT and game theory? I find it especially useful when thinking about things like "strongest board" where you're constantly trying to calculate the relative EV of all the little things.
As a card game player, hearing Tempo used in TFT spaces, I kept thinking of it with the same definition. In Magic, Tempo is often used interchangeably with “Midrange,” a play style involving reacting to your opponents’ gameplans, but still having your own threats to push your opponent for answers. It gets the name from being balanced between the other 2 major play styles, aggro (all threats, no answers) or control (all answers, no threats.) I feel like your description of Tempo in TFT fits this definition but I didn’t think about it also applying to the game itself; where in Magic, Tempo would only apply to the 2-4 players where the player is playing the deck, any player playing Tempo in TFT automatically increases the floor of the game. tl;dr TFT: The Floor is Tempo (or Lava in Challenger lobbies)
I want to make that eventually but I think it's something that can be saved for later. I want to make videos that help people now so my next video is probably going to be on how to play fast 8 properly rn.
good video, i've got master rank for the first time last season, and now im master again nearly GM, and looks like it was not an improvement on my gameplay itself, but the high tempo meta works really well with my playstyle, anyway, thanks for all this info! really helps players thats willing to improve
I no longer think faerie is the worst vertical, the changes have made the comp way stronger and the ability to run camille and morg with emblems is just such insane value on top Edit: nvm lol i didn’t watch the entire video at the time
learnt so much from this video. Think this ties in really well with econ management & when to go for charms too. Would be nice to figure out how to actually flex though; dizziness is a serious problem when i hit 8 with a random tempo board 😂 maybe i can actually hit master now pogo
Disagree with Shiv over Rageblade. You're going to play for tempo. This means you're last pick on Caro. With a rod left, if you get stuck with a sword, armor or cloak, you're in a terrible position--Hexblade just isn't slammable, you already have pen with shiv so you don't want spark, and you never want to waste a DPS item on a tank item unless you have to. It just isn't worth it. Additionally, if you slam Shiv, you're immediately throwing away a bow when you may not get another as you 100 winstreak. However, slamming rageblade leaves a tear open. A tear open is one of the best things you can have. The only item you don't want to be stuck with is armor and MAYBE a belt. Your halfway, or throwing away the future doesn't work in this situation, due to carousel priority, and leaving your options open. You may find a shop with 3 Kalistas, or be contested by the two people who grabbed portal spat from carousel priority. Antiheal will come, and shred will come--and they aren't needed in stage 2--and thats taking into consideration your item slam tempo selection earlier in the video. I do see the argument for slamming shiv here, but you're committing--with no scout, and leaving your future in the hands of other players on the carousel.
One item I heavily disagree with is redemption. If you slam it early and check the numbers you'll almost always see it healing enough to compete with warmogs if you have multiple frontline units, which you SHOULD have early game anyways. And that's not even counting the AOE damage resistance buff. Redemption is legit cracked and severely underrated. If you look up the stats for Elise for example, Redemption is her HIGHEST winrate item in the early stages. Maybe it's because I play early shapeshifter so %hp healing is more useful but for my playstyle redemption is absolutely an early game tempo item that just happens to scale, similar to guinsoos
1. Redemption uses the two best components in the game making it a low value item slam. No comp needs it to win unlike anti-heal or shred. It's just a nice win more item. 2. Early game for me is stage 2. I average about 2 units for frontline. Redemption healing is not more than Warmogs there unless if have fully upgraded Shapeshifter units or already have some augment that gives you extra HP. I don't have anything against it as a midgame slam when playing AD lines. I think it's Rakan's best item when playing 5 Faerie. 3. Stats look good on Redemption + Elise because Shapeshifter Crown gives you a Redemption crown and 4 Shape is a really strong early game board. Rarely cause you slammed it with items you had. I actually forgot how to check how an item fares on a specific unit in the stats for a certain parts of the game. I vaguely remember doing it once but I don't recall enough to check Elise's actual stats. I would assume the sample size isn't that big.
Hi! Great video! In the scenario at 17:01, do you ever yeet Ahri and put the items on Nami instead as an item holder (as they are good on her right? and spreads that MOrello), or, are the benefits of Scholar larger so you just keep on Ahri? Also do you slam GS, as you already have antiheal (regards to bow), or is that not the right call? It's these kind of questions I find hard to answer haha (I am Emerald 2)
I've been stuck at Plat 1 for almost a month now... Tempo is where I'm lacking 100%... I get overly focused on what my final comp should/will be and lose sight of timing it. I usually end up hitting my comp, but so late that I have one or two rounds worth of HP left and lose to charm diff or against the guy who highrolled
I have a few questions you can hopefully answer 1)Isn't vow similar to crownguard? It gives the shield later but on a 2 star unit it should be good(?) 2)In the dishsoap vod I thought about rolling for a mage and playing 3 mage 2 shapeshifters maybe? Or playing 2 star ahri if I find her
1) Think of the value of vow coming from the flat mana it gives at the start of the fight... which is more valuable on a 4 or 5 cost with an impactful ult late game. It's not really a pure tank item in the way crownguard can be on a unit that uses the AP 2) Think about what dishsoap's goal here is for stage 4. He's trying to play a level 8 board, so saving gold and rolling on 8 is much more valuable than rolling here on 7.
Other comment explained it pretty well, only thing I would add is that people often overlook the value of AP on tanks early game. The fact that Crownguard gives so much AP allows for huge health shields on the right units like Blitz. Combine that with the fact that the shield guarantees them at least 2 casts, it's like a better VOW early game.
thx for the vid beast i learned a lot. im plateauing in lp rn in diamond playing fast 8 every game because its more fun and i have a lot of questions. i always end up in a position where im like 80-100 hp by 4-2 but in a lobby without econ portal ill be like 20-30 gold if i level to 8. am i mismanaging tempo because i dont have enough money on 4-2? or is it good that i have higher hp so i can make interest and do it on 4-5? do u ever roll on 7 to stabilize then skip lvl 8 from that spot? either way dont i just end up 60ish hp by 4-5 like everyone else+ im late to being able to roll for my 4 costs? doesnt that mean lose streak is almost always better because u get to roll earlier for 4 costs and stage 4 is the most important stage to stabilize on anyway?
Very good video thank you. Also, how do you discover meta? I mean, I had pretty good cards for portals. Nobody was going for it, later on a guy decided to go portals too. I lost with last place during the match. I think I had wrong heroes - Tahm + Taric + Heca + Zoe + Bard + Ryze + Ahri. Also I had arcana emblem, mazane on ryze, zhonya on tahm. How do you figure out which heroes should you put on your board?
AA slam means you commit AP right? So now where's your Shred? You killed your Rod and now your Bow wants to be Red Buff not Shiv. Furthermore Shiv is much stronger for your board than AA and also much more flexible. You play Ryze with AA and nothing else (okay Gwen is fine but she doesnt care about perfect items) while Shiv can still be anything.
In the second Tempo example question, I guessed IE over BT due to the explanation about the value of Shred earlier. Why are we neglecting our potential Armor shred there?
bc we r trying to make the strongest possinle board since we have a very strong lv 4 board to streak all of stage 2 (watch the section where he talks about strong and weak early game items) either way… glove can make LW which is still the “potential armour shred”…
So do you just fight with the fact that some patches dont have good fast 9 comp and you deal with only getting 2nd - 4th because you get outscaled? How would a competitive player get around not having the most optimized end game comp? Would it be hitting 3 star 4 costs?
mid tempo. Depends on how much value you're getting out of them. But they are so non-committal as items in this meta I'm usually okay with making either early.
this set is just not for me. Gotten master in 3 previous set quite easy but this set iam legit stuck in plat.... I just cant top for if i dont have the items, like i loadi n with 0 items to slam apart for guardbreaker meanwhile the lobby gets gargoyle and rageblade. Now iam not only down on items and tempo, i need to get both tank components of carousel and dmg items. and as luck would have it iam getting shit items ons neutrals. By that time i need to go fast 8 because 0 items and no hp so i cant reroll. And then its just pray you hit (most of the time you dont and some rendo pivots in to your perfect comp) and go 6th.... I just dont understand this set
Haha yeah I think I left a not there but I had to rerecord everything past that point again in the morning. My voice is super different in the morning, especially when I use my voice a lot the night before. Thanks :)
I dig the explanation! However, I must say, I think you're misunderstanding/misusing the word "tempo" at a fundamental level-the word is not exclusively a gaming/TFT term. You seem to understand what it is in the context of TFT, however, It's often used as a term in music. Tempo just means rate, so it can be FASTER and SLOWER, not simply higher and lower (although it can be). This is my only critique! Otherwise, as a low Masters player, I really value your videos. Keep up the good work!
Yeah so I actually cut out a slide where I had the definition of real TEMPO up because I thought it was redundant. Everyone already knows that tempo is an actual real life term and is defined as "the rate or speed of motion or activity; pace." It's the exact same definition as TFT tempo OR Music tempo. The rate of motion/activity, where "motion/activity" in the context of TFT is the consumption of resources as they dictate the flow of the game. I use higher/lower interchangeably with faster/slower; I don't think it changes anything. Thanks for watching :)
@@WaterParkTactics bothersome person. we all understood what youve been talking about. its a tft video not an academy terminology class. great video thank you.
@@WaterParkTactics Absolutely, because of that definition, it can really only be FAST or SLOW. Rates are measured by speed and velocity over time, so it absolutely matters whether you use high/fast and low/slow terminology/nomenclature. You couldn’t interchangeably say one has a fast car and high car, or, one has a slow turtle and low turtle. They are very different things. I commented to highlight this.
@@Aktapus Eh, you’re right. As a biologist, it absolutely is bothersome. It’s like when someone uses there/their/they’re or your/you’re inappropriately. It’s not a knock at the info, I clearly am appreciative. It’s just constructive criticism.
Actually most of my Challenger students have more LP than me when I coach them around this time of the set. I hover around Masters/GM every set and I don't really make a push for Chally until the last competitive Cup. I struggle with balancing content creation as well as climbing and recently I've been diagnosed with depression and some other health concerns making it difficult even though this is the first TFT set I've really enjoyed in a while. I've realized a long time ago that climbing isn't ALWAYS the same as being good at tft after a certain rank. I've had clients who should be 3 ranks higher but refuse to follow the formula for climbing because they just want to play the game their own way, and that's perfectly fine. Or the actual action of playing ranked messes with their mental but they get everything correct when VOD reviewing, they have everything they need but their mental sucks (like me). Ranks just mean you know how to consistently climb the game by averaging a 4.00- One of my fav coaches that I ask to review my VODS to get better hasn't touched the game since set 6 where they were Chally for just 1 set but their fundamentals in any game are so solid that they always know what the correct play is. I always tell client who had a coaching session to try out other coaches before they do another session with me because I think compatibility is what matters most.
