The HD-VMD story - The format that lost to the format that lost

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If you thought HD-DVD lost the HD disc format war to Blu-ray, you're right. But spare a thought for the third-placed format. One that could only dream of achieving HD-DVD's level of success. This is the story of HD-VMD, the other disc. A follow up to this video can be found here • The HD-VMD Conclusion ... - wherein I actually get to play a HD-VMD
00:00 Utter nonsense
01:58 Moving on
03:20 HD-DVD vs Blu-ray
05:51 Who were NME?
07:03 VMD acquisition
11:05 The VMD USP
13:37 Launch problems
18:02 Downfall
19:55 THE PLAYERS
28:59 Lazy Town to the rescue
32:47 Lost?
34:02 The only way to win was not to play
34:48 Patreon credits
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‘Pub’ ambience sound from www.zapsplat.com
Note: Any physical resemblance of the characters in the pub skit to Rick Lagina and/or Henry Cole is purely co-incidental.
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It's a dull story regarding neighbours with power tools. However after a lot of messing with the audio, trust me it now sounds many times better than it did originally.
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@mcolville 2 года назад

If you ever wonder if these bits are any good; yes. They are good. Keep doing them, you are good at them.

@hossaneece5856 2 года назад

Love your work, btw.

@lukahutinski9075 2 года назад

I still like the muppets the most. The Bl ray puns were the best done youtube jokes flat out.

@bob7872 2 года назад

Yes, good comedy is welcome on RU-vid!

@jonjohnson2844 2 года назад

Not bad, although I kind of just wanted to learn about this media format I’d never heard of.

@frankmurphy5 2 года назад

Yeah, that was funny and made for a succinct intro as well.

@SrCarpi 2 года назад

“You know this bit would have been better with the puppets.” 😂

@sidneyhuckabee3598 2 года назад

He's not wrong

@Danny_Boel 2 года назад

nah, I think it was great.

@Ichijoe2112 2 года назад

I miss the Muppets. What's the story with them? Did Techmoan used to work with Henson?

@petedan5746 2 года назад

He should have a another RU-vid channel where he does skit's with his puppets

@jonat_gabl 2 года назад

@@Ichijoe2112 Recalling this vaguely from his website, he got them from the FAO Schwarz Muppet Workshop on a trip to NYC.

@slippinjimmy5683 2 года назад

I love that "HD-DVD is out, now only Blu-Ray and HD-VMD are left!" statement, as if HD-VMD had any relevance to begin with.

@juststatedtheobvious9633 2 года назад

Reading the reviews for the American bundled movies really puts their desperation into context. Cutting Room. (2005) "This movie is so bad that it makes a Troma movie look good in comparison." - The Pit of the Pendulum The Naked Ape. (1973) "I was bored senseless." "A train wreck on every level" - ShockCinema

@coffeetime1001 2 года назад

Yeah, that's what I thought also. It's NME vs SONY who owns Colombia Pictures. Zero chances for NME.

@tickandslug 2 года назад

It's pretty cool that you were able to get James may to host the quiz night.

@syahminorizan8064 2 года назад

I swear, I thought that was the real James May hosting a quiz night

@PeterBull1951 2 года назад

Techmoan enjoys a few glasses one evening, then has a look at eBay. Next day "what the hell am I going to do with a box full of shonky wigs" ...

@computer_toucher 2 года назад

Oh, he knew. Loved the stab at all of us that yell for the puppets all the time though :P

@blazeelvirafirehoof7844 2 года назад

"hmmm, might use them for a bit of fun I suppose." Techmoan the next day:

@jorgepais2876 2 года назад

I only imagine how was Matt when he bought that bunch of broken Minidisc players!

@Kalvinjj 2 года назад

@@jorgepais2876 Then he proceeds to make two videos: one for the normal audience, and one troll speedrun of what was it, 10 min or so (compared to the 1h+ original) to please the ones that complain the videos are too long EDIT: original: 73 min. Perfectly conveniently about the same running time of a CD or MD. "Abridged" version: 2 min 41 s.

@luisclaudiofugolin6250 2 года назад

He enjoys a few glasses, but apparently, not the drinks inside of them...

@WalrusStu 2 года назад

I like how LazyTown was listed as if it was a country.

@keiyakins 2 года назад

I mean the legal and cultural background of the place does seem rather unique, maybe it is?

@uncleho1945 2 года назад

Look at this format that i just found. When I say flop get ready to drop. Nooooo flop Blu-ray, not me!

@kenhukushi1637 2 года назад

It's the world's leading exporter of slack

@CCCW 2 года назад

Well, you gotta do the cooking by the book

@fwiffo 2 года назад

That was the real downfall of the format. They would have been fine if the Lazytown bundle wasn't a regional Lazytown exclusive release.

@ToastyMozart 2 года назад

I like the regional bundle grid's implication that LazyTown is a real place.

@loturzelrestaurant 2 года назад

@@StukaUK Hi. I ask around to see if someone would be interested in a lil Project of mine. Some people try to be the 180 Degree Opposite of Cancel-Culture and try to help RU-vid become less... well, lets say 'Messy' to use nice words only... ... Interested to hear a bit more?

@loturzelrestaurant 2 года назад

@@sedme0 Sorry for being random, alice.

@wolfetteplays8894 2 года назад

@@sedme0 it’s not even spam, this is the only place they’ve posted it

@PicnicAtTheTesco 2 года назад

*Mexico

@mr.g-sez 2 года назад

my thoughts dude!!!

@BenHeckHacks 2 года назад

What they "save" with a red laser would likely be "spent" trying to ensure the multi-layer focusing worked accurately.

@deathstrike 2 года назад

This is just speculation, but by what Techcmoan described with this format, it could have potentially been used (kinks worked out of course) as a decent replacement drive for the XBOX Classic, the PS2, and of course with proper flashing, the Xbox 360. This would have been a great drive for those classic consoles. The benefit of standard DVD, plus Hi Def. And done with a standard laser, so it did maintain compatibility. And with fairly minimal modifications since it's apparent the player could accept firmware update. What could have been...Especially when parts for the classic consoles run dry. Toshiba and Mitsumi are still common for now, but for how much longer? And we will need parts to keeps these consoles running. This really could have been special!!

@TrigramThunder 2 года назад

@@deathstrike or... Just don't keep them running? Old hardware has to die some day, no big deal. This is why we move toward standardization, in the future, you will want your videogames to be playable decades after their launch, and for that they have to be free from the shackles of aging physical formats, by you guessed it, moving to digital format.

@flightlesschicken7769 2 года назад

@@TrigramThunder You act as if digital is forever...

@TrigramThunder 2 года назад

@@flightlesschicken7769 I mean. It is? Or at least certainly lasts on way longer timescales than physical does. When digital moves platforms, it's a matter of copying and pasting your content. When physical does the same, you need to use a machine to read the content off the original format and rewrite it into a new physical format...

@flightlesschicken7769 2 года назад

@@TrigramThunder First, the information stored on punch cards will still be around when the last bit of data decays from any HDD or SSD. But that's just something to note, not really relevant to games. Second there are countless games lost to time because they were digital only and the servers that hosted them shut down, wiping them from existence. In the same situation with physical media it can be found at some later point in time and replicated. People have replicated the information Core-Rope memory used on the Apollo missions, which only survived because they were physical. Additionally you can never truly own a digital game like you can a physical game (unless we sail the 7 seas), there have been games that people have purchased and downloaded that became unplayable because the publisher pulled the plug. Digital offers a lot of convince, but the corporations prefer it to physical media, both because it's cheaper and easier to control. I don't know about you but I like to actually own the things I spend money on without resorting to piracy Edit: As far as I am concerned both physical and digital is needed for true information preservation, one without the other has problems

@ethanpschwartz 2 года назад

“This would have been better with the puppets.” I think you underestimate those wigs.

@hossaneece5856 2 года назад

I don't disagree... but I think you underestimate how much I miss those puppets XD

@StarkRG 2 года назад

While I do think most of these bits would be better with puppets, that line alone made the whole thing worth it.

@speedster29 2 года назад

Wait, they weren't puppets?

@teknowil 2 года назад

3 muppets

@BurtSampson 2 года назад

He reminded me of an even more insane James May with that one bald wig with the longer hair in the back.

@MrDuncl 2 года назад

As you mention it seems streaming has won the HD media war. Large UK supermarket Sainsbury's recently announced that they are stopping selling all discs apart from vinyl ! In a couple of years you will be making "Blu-ray discs. An appreciation"

@mor4y 2 года назад

Physical discs kinda died a few years ago when the studios stopped offering extra features on the disc, well unless you bought the super special edition, and there was no extra 'value' to having a physical copy, and streaming quality is rather good For music physical media is still alive because streaming quality is so awful! There is a extra value to having the physical copy, so people will still buy it

@Pacmanfan-po9rn 2 года назад

I still buy physical media because of ITunes and ripping music.

@thewatchman8640 2 года назад

@@Pacmanfan-po9rn I still buy physical media only because I don’t like how some streaming service cut or change the original music in some shows or films, plus if you purchase from Amazon or iTunes at some point they will loose the license & that means you can’t watch anymore. Physical media I hope will be around for long while

@Ichijoe2112 2 года назад

@@Pacmanfan-po9rn how much longer does iTunes have on Windows? iTunes on the Mac has since been replaced by Apple Music, with other bits like importing of Audiobooks & Podcasts, have been shoved off to Apple Books.

@mor4y 2 года назад

@Tom if the streaming world follows the gaming world, then you might find that some films disappear because they only have 10 or 20 year licences on the music used in the film. TV companies will pay up for a temp licence, but steaming services who work off payment-per-views might drag their heels Many classic games have disappeared from sale thanks to that. It means places like steam cannot distribute them. GoG (good old games) has a few where they managed to get a version made with royalty free music, but its not the same.....

@MrSonofsonof 2 года назад

It's amazing the number of physical audio/video formats that used to exist, from wax cylinders right up to Blu-ray. Every time I think that Techmoan has covered them all, he does a video on another one. Got to say that I never heard of HD-VMD. I think all these things that passed me by (like minidisc too) came out when my kids were little, and I didn't have time for anything apart from work, nappies etc. I remember saying to my mum that the sixties must have been great, and she replied "truth to tell, I didn't notice - I was too busy having kids".

@luisreyes1963 2 года назад

Never knew there was a third HD video disc format that existed, albeit briefly. Thanks for the history update. 😁

@shinyplaid 2 года назад

I legit laughed at “you know this bit would have been better with the puppets.” 🤣

@ericpode6095 2 года назад

I miss the puppets...

@alexdhall 2 года назад

@@ericpode6095 Ditto.

@jozefdoyle4621 2 года назад

"you should've said if you wanted to go to that real ale pub" Genius

@kaitlyn__L 2 года назад

The best joke in the skit

@darkcoeficient 2 года назад

It would have been funnier with the puppets XD

@acorgiwithacrown467 2 года назад

"It just turned out to be a DVD containing the anaglyph 3d version of journey to the centre of the earth", Idk why but that was quite funny.

@Knaeckebrotsaege 2 года назад

23:40 As someone who's done drive fixes on XBOX360s and occasionally some other equipment with ODDs back in the late 00s early 10s, that laser in there looks awfully similar to a Sanyo SF-HD66 or HD68, which would be embossed in the plastic somewhere on the lasers body. If it is, finding replacements should be easy and cheap as those two types were at one point *the* most common laser units in anything that could read DVDs, including some XBOX360 disk drives and countless DVD players and DVD readers in desktop PCs. Heck if I still have one in my stash, I'd be willing to send it over just to give this oddball early player a chance of working again if the laser is all that's wrong with it (which is likely cause it's at least _trying_ to read but fails)

@AliceGeus 2 года назад

i'm loving the techmoan cinematic universe

@disgruntledfaerie 2 года назад

A cinematic masterpiece. Somewhere, Scorcese is scratching his head and wondering how the heck you pulled it off.

@MrNegativecreep07 2 года назад

I'm impressed he managed to get Bill Bailey to play the quiz master

@Rhythmattica 2 года назад

@@LostInTech3D "The Little Book of Calm" Read on Camera , by Bill Bailey , Available on PUB-VMD

@JrGoonior 2 года назад

@@MrNegativecreep07 I thought that was James May myself!

@kcgeil 2 года назад

Possession by the ghost of Kubrick is the only logical explanation!

@ian_b 2 года назад

@@pablorai769 He's referring to Tim Scorcese, a plumber from Cheam.

@LegendaryMaoMao20 2 года назад

As a guy who's somewhat technical, I've never heard about this format before, really interesting I would say

@ChristopherHallett 2 года назад

Wow, I'm impressed! Not just by the video, but also how on Earth did you get Bill Bailey to host the quiz night at your local?

@AttilaTheHun333333 2 года назад

Matt, you went to the next level with that intro. You never settle down and always evolve your channel. Thank You for years and years of entertainment!

@computer_toucher 2 года назад

Yeah, good man. Good to see such dry, peculiar humour reach an audience as well

@mrb692 2 года назад

Woulda been better with the puppets though 😉

@vwlssnvwls3262 2 года назад

When DVD came out I recall a salesman trying to sell me a Phillips machine that used DiVX and you bought the DVD, but you had to hook your player up to a phone line so you could rent the use of the DVD you already bought. It cost less than the actual DVD movies, but it also did not come with any of the extra features. It was basically like having Blockbuster in your house. Of course I just nodded my head knowingly, let him do his pitch, then bought an actual DVD player. :)

@noiselabproject9659 2 года назад

DivX able DVD players were great for some of us as plenty of people were downloading DivX/mp4 stuff easily from the net and so that ment that you could burn that content to a DVD on your computer and then play them on those players but as for the intended store use of DivX yes that was a flop

@evil7011 2 года назад

I used divx format for pirated movies on my pc. That was the go to format for downloading pirated movies. When i wanted to watch it on a DVD/DiVX player, just burn it into a disc.

@evil7011 2 года назад

@@noiselabproject9659 It was not a flop you used it on a pc, mp4 compression allowed you to download movies in smaller file sizes, divx too. Divx died and mp4 still is the superior format today.

@anvis-cathouse 2 года назад

@@evil7011 There is a difference between DivX (the Video Codec) and DIVX (the movie rental system Vwlss Nvwls was talking about). It is pretty easy to confuse them since both have something to do with video.

@evil7011 2 года назад

@@anvis-cathouse thanks for the info. I burned pirated divX Cds and watched on my DVD player back in the day. Good old times.

@FrostMonolith 2 года назад

0:48 even with no puppets this bit is absolutely golden. I watched to the end but restarted multiple time from the start just for this skit. Thank you for making them!

@ZulcanPrime 2 года назад

I bought my first DVD Player in 2004. I remember the new HD DVDs were released in Australia but I used the wait-and-see approach when Bluray came out. I waited till 2010 when I bought a Bluray player. I won't upgrade my movies and series on DVDs and Blurays discs on 4K Bluray. I am happy with the two formats.

@xavierrose8208 2 года назад

Matt that beginning skit was fantastic, do them more often!!!!!!

@DavysFlicks 2 года назад

What makes this channel for me is Matt's humour. The "shoulda used the puppets here" line, adding the beard on to the old pic with a few MS Paint scribbles. Genius.

@TheGramophoneGirl 2 года назад

I thought he had used the puppets ;)

@BlokeOzzie 2 года назад

Dry British humor is the best.

@simonnaughton2272 2 года назад

Would be awesome if you could interview with someone from the engineering team from HD-VMD. Would be great to hear what they did when they changes codec etc.

@GamesNTech 2 года назад

You got me with "You know this bit would have been better with the puppets." Have a great day!

@Ranger_Kevin 2 года назад

Great bit at the start :-D "Have you ever noticed that this pub looks like someone's house?" had me cracking up

@billr3053 2 года назад

"It just looks like someone's made minimal effort" - seals it. 😜

@rollertoaster812 2 года назад

Every time Matt says the company name "NME", the auto-generated caption says "enemy". 😆

@Davej82 2 года назад

Yeah, not very wise choice of name for this type of company (or any company at all) :D

@nthgth 2 года назад

Haha, that would work really well as a band name along the lines of XTC or XLNT

@charliebrown1976 2 года назад

I keep thinking of the monster company from the Kirby anime!

@ebinrock 2 года назад

This is why all videos should be manually captioned.

@hurricane567 2 года назад

Malibu Comics Ultraverse featured a villain called Nanotech Mechanized Entity.

@janmelantu7490 2 года назад

This video had me fluctuating wildly between “this is a total scam” and “this is a total technological achievement”

@kevinjokipii4260 2 года назад

23:45 makes more sense than any actual episode of LazyTown that my kids ever watched.

@loturzelrestaurant 2 года назад

Hi. I ask around to see if someone would be interested in a lil Project of mine. Some people try to be the 180 Degree Opposite of Cancel-Culture and try to help RU-vid become less... well, lets say 'Messy' to use nice words only... Interested to hear a bit more?

@kcgeil 2 года назад

That's an impressive number of mistakes crammed into one disc format! Shocked it got into shops at all.

@JamesPawson 2 года назад

I am one of those annoying people who always says he misses the puppet outros. Well.. now I am going to be the annoying guy who always wants these one-man comedy intros. Haha, sublime, man!

@iainlaskey7285 2 года назад

Totally, I was laughing out loud watching that

@mjetektman9313 2 года назад

I wish we could have both

@ccateni28 2 года назад

I want both...

@RJDA.Dakota 2 года назад

Used to enjoy the puppets. The joke at the end was always pertinent, if dry. Very humourous.

@ILoveWomen 2 года назад

It was gold

@larsmuldjord9907 2 года назад

Love the intro! Confused about the format. So if those HDVMD's were actually just dual-layer DVD's. Then, did a 3-layer or more HDVMD ever even exist? If not, I think one could argue that the format never really existed either out of being a special way to name and encode files onto a standard DVD. And a bunch of fluffy marketing. What a weird tale! Thanks for telling it.

@BlueNeon81 2 года назад

Yes, 3 and 4 layer VMDs were produced, one magazine in my country tested the player with bundled discs back in 2007, they also mounted the drive onto PC and found that those discs had capacity of 10 GB to 12 GB. Those VMDs had only a movie with 2 sound streams in Dolby Digital and 2 subtitles. No bonus materials, no uncompressed sound formats.

@ebinrock 2 года назад

This is why Techmoan is Techmoan, and why I subscribe to him. He knows about stuff I've never heard of, and I thought I paid pretty good attention to the format wars. Keep up the great work!

@MrSatyre1 2 года назад

I was part of Pioneer's product planning and marketing team for Blu-ray in NA back in the 2000s. I won't get into the HD-DVD/Blu-ray battle, but it was a lot of fun! I would add l, however, that Pioneer developed first a 10 layer, then a 50 layer Blu-ray disc (out of corn starch, no less!). The idea was that they'd be perfect for TV and film series by reducing the amount of discs and packaging and waste. For better or worse, obviously that never happened.

@kaitlyn__L 2 года назад

Oh that would’ve been sweet. An entire box set, in FHD or UHD, on one disc!

@Clay3613 2 года назад

They hiring?

@Quast 2 года назад

And once you are sick of the movie and your taste has changed, you can even toss it to the rabbit! :D

@MusicOnCassetteTape 2 года назад

i am always impressed how many formats exist that i have NEVER heard off!

@my3dviews 2 года назад

I thought that I knew all of the shinny disk formats, but no, not after watching this video.

@scaper8 2 года назад

@@my3dviews Every time I think that I've at least heard of all of them, I find out about another. Or at least an improvement or change on one I did know about that is just different enough that a good case could be made for treating it as if it were a separate one. :-D

@ManiacalForeigner 2 года назад

Have you considered making a video on the VCDHD (Versatile Compact Disc High Density) format? Assuming you've even heard of the thing, that is, it's very obscure. It's noteworthy for being bendable to quite an extent without breaking or being damaged. Nifty.

@paperdes 2 года назад

"You know this bit would have been better with the puppets." I was wondering why you weren't using the puppets when this came up. I laughed and accidentally got orange juice in my nose. Ow, but funny.

@MrFiver1111 2 года назад

*HDDVD quits* HDVMD: We shall now take their place Sony: I don't even know you! HDVMD: What!! I've been compeeting for so long!

@mikeselectricstuff 2 года назад

Would be really interesting to try to get in touch with someone who was involved with the company. Sounds like they started off in good faith but then descended into fakery to keep things afloat. Reminds me of Nikola.

@radry100 2 года назад

Sounds more like they got scammed. They bought a technology that didn't even exist in it's full specs, then somehow managed to create some discs but at a much lower size and by burning millions of capital. The only winners were the inventors that got paid.

@synthfreak291 2 года назад

Reminds me of several Kickstarter projects.

@jorgepais2876 2 года назад

@@radry100 yeah, sort when you know you were cheated but try to give an impression that everything is allright.

@lightningslim 2 года назад

@@radry100 Seems like the real victims were those who bought the machines and disks!

@jorgepais2876 2 года назад

@@lightningslim better to have both machines and disks than to have one and not the other... but who knows if this things will not be profitable in the collectors market, especially after the so called "Techmoan effect"? ;)

@UpLateGeek 2 года назад

Interesting, back in the day I remember hearing rumours that a multi-layer DVD format with more than two layers was "on the way". Now I'm wondering if this was that format, or if it was whoever sold NME the concept that was trying to drum up interest.

@Owyn_Merrilin 2 года назад

For a while there every few years you'd hear about a holographic disc with three dimensional data storage on it. I wonder if all three of these are the same thing?

@mabiniss2 2 года назад

@@Owyn_Merrilin The closest I could find on wikipedia to what you mentioned was HVD which according to the wiki page was supposed to be even better than Blu-Ray with 100GB read only and 6TB of capacity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc

@UncleDonut66 2 года назад

It may have been FMD. I thought it was the future and bought stock. It never went anywhere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluorescent_Multilayer_Disc

@sm3dwnftwofficialsaveukrai289 2 года назад

NME acquired DVD Forum's Multi-layer DVD, to build Versatile Multi-layer Disc, named VMD as HD VMD.

@RobertK1993 2 года назад

@@Owyn_Merrilin I rather SD or flash card/stick then another optical disc.

@jefgirdler7232 2 года назад

I wish I was half as good at making the absolute most trivial stuff of tech history captivatingly interesting as you are. Also that bit at the beginning was great.

@FranLab 2 года назад

I would wager that those multi-layer optical discs have an HD_VMD version of the classic Laser-Rot, likely due to the adhesives used in the layering process attacking the substrate and making the disc unreadable.

@1blisslife 2 года назад

It's Fran again! Nice to see you here 😊

@lamecasuelas2 2 года назад

Channel crossover!!!!?

@Warutteri 2 года назад

@@lamecasuelas2 Oh THAT'S a collaboration I'd like to see, these two could make some great stuff together!

@highpath4776 2 года назад

can you see it under a microscope, I am feeling its more software changes

@adamreid5901 2 года назад

I had about 400 HD DVD’s that I picked up for couple of dollars each when the format failed, about half of them now have laser rot and are unplayable.

@SelfIndulgentGamer 2 года назад

The moment Microsoft announced that you had to buy the drive separately for the 360, was the moment HD DVD died. 🙂

@spunker88 2 года назад

Sony won the format war in large part because they included the ability to play Blu-ray on the PS3 which meant anyone buying the PS3 now had a Blu-ray player. If Microsoft had done the same with HD DVD and the Xbox 360 while also incentivizing OEMs to add HD DVD drives on Windows PCs, the format war may have ended differently.

@SelfIndulgentGamer 2 года назад

@@spunker88 Exactly, although Blu-Ray would have still ultimately won due to the massive abount of additional storage :)

@alexatkin 2 года назад

@@SelfIndulgentGamer I doubt it as once you have a huge market of people with players, which format is superior becomes irrelevant. Although despite buying into HD-DVD myself and it being the superior format in the early days (it had many features the early Bluray specs did not support), Bluray did keep getting revised to a point where it was vastly superior in the end. Apart from the most annoying aspect of Bluray, that titles using Java do not automatically remember where you left off and manufacturers can't be bothered to add it. Its an absolute curse combined with power saving regulations causing a paused player to turn off after a while, losing your place. Its the one thing I absolutely HATE about Bluray. But the quality is so much better than streaming.

@SelfIndulgentGamer 2 года назад

@@alexatkin NIce that you know your stuff :) To be honest, I still just rely on my DVD collection :D

@SuperPickle15 2 года назад

@@spunker88 i doubt the ps3 won them the format war. The ps3 came a year after the the 360, and it was more expensive. Sales were sluggish. You could got an xbox360 and the hd dvd drive for much less than a ps3. Nah, HD DVD was already on life support when the ps3 launched.

@RabbitEarsCh 2 года назад

Lovely skit. Please never stop making them, I adore them every time. Great research work as always!

@1freedlander Год назад

Thanks for your thoroughness and curiosity, and persistence to figure things out. So fascinating to watch. Rudolph

@gregmark1688 2 года назад

I think what they were claiming was that a standard DVD reader would only see a front layer and read that as a standard disc, while the VMD reader would read the high-def version on the deeper layers. It is a fantastic idea, except for one flaw: the movie companies were of course fully intent on re-selling all their old catalog yet again.

@TofumanFC3S 2 года назад

Exactly, that’s what I was thinking. You’d have a “regular” DVD movie in layer one, but if you had a VMD player you could unlock, so to say, the HD version. Sounds great to me

@hermanmunster3358 2 года назад

That happens all the time. First with Vinyl, then 8Track, Cassette, CD, then SACD, and now we have digital downloads, the cheapest form of music and video reproduction, without ANY physical medium. And with Video formats, there have been countless iterations, such as Umatic, Beta, VHS, SVHS, HD VHS, Laser Disc, CDi, CD Video, DVD, HD DVD, BluRay, and also this VMD format. More formats than you can shake a stick at really.

@mrchips23711 2 года назад

And that ended up being an actual feature of HD-DVD, albeit a compromised one because you could only use 3 layers max unless it was double-sided.

@donaloflynn 2 года назад

What are you basing that assumption on? Surely if that's what they meant they would have stated it more explicitly? The discs Mat opened in Finder only had VMD files, nothing that a standard DVD player could read.

@TofumanFC3S 2 года назад

@@donaloflynn They also were only dual layer, not 20-layer. Obv. they made concessions to get to market. Original plans were likely to have both formats, why else tease backwards compatibility?

@liamcinq 2 года назад

The humour is so good, please never change 🙏 10:22 - I made a job out of it 👏

@MeriaDuck 2 года назад

Weird Al's track E-bay never gets old 😂

@newphilmz3605 2 года назад

I remember the Bluray vs HD DVD war like it was yesterday. I was considering getting an HD DVD player, and by the time I could decide, they were already gone from the market. I never heard of HD VMD, so it must have had a very limited release.

@Carewolf 2 года назад

Pretty sure it was yesterday

@PM9Video 2 года назад

Inspired by all of the taking things apart on this channel, I had a go at my old DVD player - and fixed it! Thanks for giving me the confidence to try. It was very satisfying.

@ZGryphon 2 года назад

Having worked for several such companies back in the day (albeit in a different field, namely ISP-related stuff), I get the distinct feeling that NME was the kind of company that exists pretty much entirely to spend as much venture capital as possible.

@RobCamp-rmc_0 2 года назад

That’s the impression I got, NME seemed like a two-bit fly-by-night operation as all hell, jeesh.

@VitorFM 2 года назад

And It also sounds like money laundering

@ZGryphon 2 года назад

@@VitorFM Yes, that's what I meant.

@aarocka11 2 года назад

The fact that LazyTown was one of the launch titles is kind of hilarious considering it’s now a giant meme. Looks like I will have to look out for this piece of “lost media” #ripStefánKaralStefánsson

@AfferbeckBeats 2 года назад

The whole VMD system seems like a dodgy scheme his character would have cooked up as he watches it fail badly

@Snaily 2 года назад

I'm sure I remember Lazytown having YTPs as early as 2008

@tylaranderson8559 2 года назад

Loved the intro, and the rest was brilliant and informative as always. Keep up the good work

@robbyandrews223 2 года назад

I love when you do your characters. Keep doing them. Tech info plus funny bits love it.

@Tecstar70 2 года назад

First two minutes are pure gold! Pure gold I say!!

@SuperSmashDolls 2 года назад

So... I *do* remember hearing very early on that blue lasers *were* more expensive. Not because they were harder to make and that they were NEVER going to get cheaper, but because they were uncommon and no economies of scale had taken hold yet. "HD on barely-modified DVD drives" would have been a genuine selling point if they hadn't launched hilariously late and weren't one step above Soulja Boy in terms of electronics prowess. Also, I'm genuinely disappointed (not in you, you did your best) that you couldn't find any genuine HD VMDs. I would have been interested in seeing if they read in standard drives. Or, if the drive with supposedly modified firmware that shipped with the device, would let you read them in a PC. Not that you'd be able to play them - they're almost certainly encrypted, like DVDs and all the other HD formats were. But it would at least verify that there was *something* to this other than just rebranding DVD/EVD technology.

@DondarfSnowbonk 2 года назад

Yes, many people I know got a PS3 instead of a blu-ray player early on because the blue laser drove the price of the units up so much, and as usual the game console was being sold at a massive loss (though for similar reasons it was much more expensive at launch than its competitors).

@Stettafire Год назад

@@DondarfSnowbonk Yes, everyone I knew didn't bother getting a "blue ray player" they'd just get a PS3. It's effectively a blue-ray player AND you can play video games. So a win-win. Also lots of console gamers I knew got the PS3 because the XBOX 360 "ring of death" incident. Though now computers are so much cheaper and there is such a wealth of indie devs, hardly any of the console players I once knew are still on console. They've all moved onto PC only.

@fab1604 2 года назад

Great video as usual and hilarious intro, keep 'em coming Mat ♥️

@nickcurrier1546 7 месяцев назад

Didn't realize you faced so many challenges but your videos are absolutely awesome man. I'm far from tech savvy but im a history/documentary fiend and am interested in basically anything I don't already know and your channel is one of my absolute favorites! Wishing you the best sir!

@JippaJ 2 года назад

Can we just have an hour-long video of mildly funny Techmoan intro's? Really digging this.

@surrodox 2 года назад

Very impressed on Techmoan's acting!

@JulesFox 2 года назад

Loved the opening Matt. :) Very entertaining and as always a fascinating video. For some reason your videos are no longer coming up in my "recommended" so I had to search you out! Hopefully a binge-watch of your latest videos will correct that.

@SneakyDingo 2 года назад

hahahaha that "real ale" bit got me, i love this little bits you do every now and again, hope you have a lot of fun making them too :)

@ioioio13 2 года назад

When the insomnia is in full swing and techmoan uploads, the sun rising doesn't seem as bad.

@Thejebe 2 года назад

I feel you man, same here

@nathanmerritt1581 2 года назад

Being there. stressful!

@32mlucas 2 года назад

HD-DVD helped push new advanced codecs and for Blu-Ray dual layer 50GB discs rather than 25MB, the format war had a positive effect on the eventual outcome

@highpath4776 2 года назад

Can you play hd dvd in a computer dvd drive?

@32mlucas 2 года назад

@@highpath4776 Not a standard computer DVD drive but both Toshiba and LG made internal HDDVD drives for computers, you can also use the external xbox 360 drive on a PC.

@smithies_jocks 2 года назад

I got my first HD-DVD a few weeks ago and a few of my favourite films, its a really impressive picture quality, seems slightly better than blu-ray, more depth and colour. The Toshiba decoder hardware is flawless.

@santosmurilo Год назад

I had never heard of this format and this kind of videos interest me a lot! Thanks for your effort to bring us some tech curiosities! 😀

@petesmith4498 2 года назад

Feels like a pilot for a sitcom. "The Pub Quiz"

@MrKletch 2 года назад

I'd watch the crap out of it!!

@bengarland 2 года назад

I'm not even really into obscure forgotten technology, but I love this channel anyway and I frequently find myself watching the entire videos. Somehow Techmoan guy makes otherwise bland content seem immensely interesting. This channel should win some award for being the best of RU-vid.

@alangriffin8146 2 года назад

Late to the party, but I LOVE these format videos. Your presenting style is perfect for this kind of thing. And I always like your silly skits.

@richardyasushiii3848 2 года назад

That analogue tape / floppy t-shirt rules, Techmoan! Keep up the good work keeping us up to date on stuff that's not up to date.

@iNerdier 2 года назад

12:55 actually not so sure about that with the blue laser point, Sony I know for a while were losing money on PS3s specifically because the high wavelength optical parts were so costly to produce. Might be cheap now but certainly was a factor then.

@ReyMysterioX 2 года назад

The intro is one of the most hilarious things I've seen in a while…

@megacherv 2 года назад

New to the channel, loved the opening sketch and having this on in the background, and nice to hear a more familiar accent in a tech video as well :)

@xmdslipkfanx 2 года назад

I lost it once I saw you as the host 🤣 😂 that was great. Thank you for the laughs and great information

@scottthemediahoarder 2 года назад

You've elevated your art from demonstrative to performative. I don't even know if that's a thing, but bravo!

@SteveC86 2 года назад

“This bit would have been better with the puppets.” Haha, Mat you are a lovely chap, wish I could be your friend.

@simonsaysrewind 2 года назад

Love this comment.. must be nice for those who are lucky to be his pal.

@jawnjinski 2 года назад

Lol as you look up into your beer ... these bits just add so much more to your vids lmao worth the extra effort!

@nthgth 2 года назад

Very cool info, I'd never heard of HD-VMD! Thanks for yet another great video.

@whomee2 2 года назад

This skit is great! Loved it! Hope you feel inspired to do more like this!

@6581punk 2 года назад

Real ale :)

@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 2 года назад

It would have been better with the puppets.

@coryleaver31 2 года назад

The intro was genuinely funny, wouldn't be mad if you did those more often. Love cheeky British humor.

@davidewhite69 2 года назад

I remember Australia's channel nine taking out a full page ad (the ad was pretending to be a review) in an Australian newspaper (that was also owned by Kerry Packer) that glamorised this format. as for the cost savings, they were severely mistaken, the most expensive parts would be the HD decoding and rendering circuitry

@loturzelrestaurant 2 года назад

@jaypadron6302 2 года назад

Technically DVD had a few competitor platforms actually and they came from China; CVD, SVCD, and HQ-VCD. Reason being China attempted these formats was because their government was a tad worried that DVD was too regulated by foreign companies and that there was an opportunity to develop a domestic format that would be around the same technical specifications as DVD without the restrictions DVD made them abide to.

@nthgth 5 месяцев назад

Interesting. Wonder why they were so worried while say Europe and Japan were just like "cool, DVD, yup let's go." Free market vs communists maybe.

@jonasthemovie 2 года назад

As much as I miss the puppets, this skit was lovely.

@BrianRRenfro 2 года назад

I always wait and hope the "Unfunny Annoying Puppets" will be back one day. Maybe it is the Gen-X in me but I usually found them snarkily hilarious!

@tomokokuroki2506 2 года назад

"unfortunately, it's Lazytown" No issues there.

@bmhater1283 2 года назад

WE ARE NUMBER ONE

@nicospanatos6605 2 года назад

Sooooo Cool !!! You are not only a cool technerd, but also have a lot of humor! Great !! thanks from bavaria for this very nice and special episode ;)

@Errcyco 2 года назад

I’ll never forget going to a family event and one of my cousins husbands worked for Bose. This was right when they were blowing up in the mid 90s. I don’t remember exactly what year it was but he had a DVD player and a big screen he wanted to show off. I’ll never forget that massive brushed metal unit. Had like two buttons and was crazy loud. The first two or three tries it wouldn’t play. When he finally got it we were all kinda amazed. That was really neat. I didn’t even see another one for a very long time.

@startedtech 2 года назад

13:20 While this is somewhat anecdotal, I remember blue /violet (405nm) lasers used to be very expensive. A powerful blue laser pointer was a few hundred dollars IIRC, if not more. Cannibalizing a Blu-Ray player for it's laser used to be the best way to get one.

@mjetektman9313 2 года назад

It still is expensive

@startedtech 2 года назад

@@mjetektman9313 you can get dangerously powerful blue handheld lasers for $20 or so from china. High end lasers are still expensive ofc, as they always will be

@mjetektman9313 2 года назад

@@startedtech i know, I'm talking about the blu-ray drivers, here in my country the most affordable ones cost half a minimum wage and their prices can go as high as a minimum wage

@PsRohrbaugh 2 года назад

I found a "Wired" article from 2007 that estimated that the blue laser diode added $100 to the cost of the PS3 at launch. My memory was a number closer to $20, but either way it was definitely expensive hardware.

@mrb692 2 года назад

@@startedtech I wonder if those layers are rejects from the media players? Like the good ones go into a player, and one that emits wrong or whatever goes into a pointer

@RegebroRepairs 2 года назад

Must be a good pub, since Bill Bailey does quizzes there.

@joshuarosen6242 2 года назад

Curses, you beat me to it.

@joshleafjl1 2 года назад

@@joshuarosen6242 I also gave you a like for the same Thought, and the great name👍

@thenargles Год назад

I'm rewatching this video after you mentioned it in the CD magnet video. I'd forgotten how much I loved the sketch at the start. I can't tell you how hard I laughed!

@Knobs4u 2 года назад

Im always happy to tune into this channel.

@Ynot101 2 года назад

When your company is called NME but pronounced "Enemy" you're pretty much doomed 😭😭😭

@butcharmstrong9645 2 года назад

That's exactly what I thought too! NME = Enemy. NOT good.

@hahasamian8010 2 года назад

I think that's also the fictional company in the Kirby anime... NightMare Enterprises, if I recall correctly.

@bsharpmajorscale 2 года назад

You better get your players with a money-back guarantee!

@SuperSmashDolls 2 года назад

I need a player to clobber dat dere HD-DVD

@stanagepole9633 2 года назад

could sound worse, Enema

@PavelUrusov 2 года назад

The introduction is a true masterpiece!

@jwoody8815 2 года назад

Its nice to see one of your skits again, lol A++

@FezTheSpaceBiker 2 года назад

To be honest, Microsoft's backing of HD-DVD was half-hearted at best, likely because they were more invested in digital distribution and that was honestly a smart call.

@krald8421 2 года назад

@@Andersljungberg vs the blu ray player being built into the ps3 , no wonder it succeeded

@Peterraawwrr 2 года назад

I think part of it was just not backing what Sony was, especially when looking at the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add on

@pistachiodisguisey911 2 года назад

The 360 was crazy for renting movies back then especially if u didn’t pay for on demand

@thedarksideoftheforce6658 2 года назад

@@krald8421 Sony owns Blu ray and let's Ms use it

@Henrex2000 2 года назад

Microsoft was trying to sabotage the whole physical media market as a whole by fueling the format war

@Soapy555 2 года назад

He even bought a James May wig to go with the voice, Brilliant!

@SeanBZA 2 года назад

Mays has much frizzier hair though.

@dominicryan8308 2 года назад

Sounds like James may, looks like Bill Bailey!

@davasg96 2 года назад

The first segment might be utter nonsense in the chapters, but it was hilariously entertaining!

@bobblum5973 2 года назад

To watch those HD-VMD discs you need a player that supports the correct region they were made for: Lazy Town!

@shodan2958 2 года назад

Interesting video about a forgotten format and a interesting note about the HD format war too. Sure streaming took over in the end for many but I think the collectors market and ultra high quality fanatics stayed around and is what keeps it afloat. If anything I think the war was ultimately a battle to decide what format Criterion style releases would be on in the future.