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The heck is a 'mental stack'? : Cognitive load theory and working memory 

RickiHirsch
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#psychology #fightinggames #mentalstack
"Mental stack" is a popular term around fighting games that I've heard defined a number of different ways. I got some questions about it after my last video asking for some clarification. There is a similar concept in experimental psychology called cognitive load theory so let's pull from that literature to talk about what the heck a mental stack is, how a person can expand their ability to retain information and the 70 year long debate over what the heck a "chunk" is.
or more simply...
🐺🐺🐺I gotta go harder🐺🐺🐺move smarter🐺🐺🐺think wiser🐺🐺🐺stack more🐺🐺🐺talk less🐺🐺🐺
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Комментарии : 40   
@KatieAndCatburger
@KatieAndCatburger Год назад
This was SO interesting! I am way too timid for fighting games but your writing makes me appreciate them so much more
@iamtwoawesomes
@iamtwoawesomes 10 месяцев назад
Didn’t write anything down when first prompted, but when the “you probably can’t remember the words’ part came up, I wrote down: Summit Climb Mountain Valley Bed Rest Couch I’ve had some difficulties learning things bc of my ADHD, but usually had a pretty good memory. When I got two concussions in as many years, my working memory capacity plummeted. I went through a lot of tests where they tested my memory with lists of words like the one in this video; I learned to group from that, and can usually keep up with other people because of it, but I still arrive at ‘too many requests; please wait ~five seconds for mind to buffer’ every day. No point to this besides sharing.
@pm6828
@pm6828 10 месяцев назад
I feel like my ADHD brain has always been on the lower side as far as number of chunks it can manage, but I've compensated by learning to make my chunks extra big. I'm a systems-minded person who always tries to figure out the most effective and efficient process for things. The best advice I can give for achieving this is to embrace resonance. Say yes more to your brain. Tie together everything until you're a mad bundle of odd mismatches. The negative aspect of this thought system is that it's highly state-dependent, thus quick recall becomes shitty or impossible.
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 10 месяцев назад
Also an adhd-haver and that tracks for me. I've managed to make connections in my mind that even I have trouble untangling at times but it somehow works (most of the time)
@osakanone
@osakanone 10 месяцев назад
For some reason I get to legs, and then there's a feeling which wiped out everything previously and suddenly my working memory was reset. I know the order of them isn't meant to be important, but I can't decouple the order from remembering the thing, so I end up having to hold onto a lot more. Its like a panic feeling, and suddenly my score is one: Only the last word said.
@CBFresh
@CBFresh Год назад
Absolutely fascinating approach to fighting game topics. Very excited to see more of your work.
@matthewwalewangko1995
@matthewwalewangko1995 Год назад
YEEEEEEES, I dropped everything when the notification popped on my phone 😄❤
@chloekravatz84
@chloekravatz84 10 месяцев назад
.... i got overwhelmed by word 3 cause they were going too fast and the brain just noped lmao i hate
@alexskelofton
@alexskelofton 10 месяцев назад
I don't play fighting games, but I did do fencing for 7 years, and I can see a lot of how the same concepts apply. This is part of why more experienced fencers will sometimes have trouble fighing newer fencers: they don't have the same awareness of different broad strategies and moves within those strategies and responses to them, so a lot of what they might do would be bad moves or unintuitive to people who know the sport better, which means that the more experienced fencers are not mentally prepared for whatever the new fencers might do because they don't have those possibilities or strategy trees as part of their short term memory chunks. The idea of the short term memory chunks is a similar idea to what I like to call mental zip-filing, which basically means creating chunks out of a lot of disparate points, which is often done by understanding the relationships of the different points to each other, either in groups or some kind of logic tree or something else. For example, baking something for the first time would involve many more steps to think about within whatever recipe is being used, as opposed to even the 10th time baking something. This could be things like making sure you have all the ingredients and equipment and that you know where they are, knowing how to use the oven and other tools, understanding the functions of individual ingredients within the recipe, understanding the terminology used in the recipes, the muscle memory involved in performing certain tasks, as well as the general structures of how recipes work. The more someone understands about the concepts and how all these ideas are related to each other, the easier it is to create or compensate for variations on the original. It could be as simple as having the opening of a recipe being associated with immediately pre-heating the oven, so that you don't get stuck waiting for it later on. All in all, something that could be overwhelming at first approach could become something that you don't even have to think about through compressing all those data points by understanding the routine and relationship between all of the points.
@AroundTheBlockAgain
@AroundTheBlockAgain 9 месяцев назад
Beware the Newbie Flail! They have no idea what they're doing, and neither will you!™
@dingalong14
@dingalong14 Год назад
I've been interested in improving my working memory for a good while now, but I found your channel a few days ago by complete coincidence, since I've been getting into GG and developing an interest in the FGC generally. While I can't say this is the first time I've heard about optimising chunking, this video has certainly re-ignited my enthusiasm for experimenting and being more aware of how I manage my working memory. I love the approach of exploring generally useful concepts and frameworks through the lens of a specific niche. The way you break things down makes the explanations feel easily digestible and welcoming. Thank you for the video!
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch Год назад
Thank you. I always put effort into trying to make things accessible and I'm glad I got it across on this one especially.
@benney9908
@benney9908 24 дня назад
i never really got into fighting games but i feel like this could be usefull for many other things too, especially writing fightscenes. i feel like it might be interesting to give hints to the reader about what might happen but at the same time to also try to get it out of their working memory so it surprises them without being out of nowhere. kind of as if the fight isn't between multiple characters but rather as if it's between the author and the reader
@Spooky_blast
@Spooky_blast 5 месяцев назад
Got jump scared by fencing AND blazblue dog bark. I've talked to people about how fencing and fighting games have a lot of overlap and applied concepts like hinder and facilitate in oki before. Good video
@TCMx3
@TCMx3 Год назад
Intersection of psychology and fighting games? Skill discrimination is a fascinating subject, especially as devs communicate a desire to lower it without, as best I can tell, understanding the psychometric underpinnings of what theyre doing, but instead possessing folk knowledge understanding of it.
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch Год назад
Oooohhhhh, that's a good one. I've got some thoughts™ about that
@Ancusohm
@Ancusohm 10 месяцев назад
This is super neat! I hadn't heard the phrase 'mental stack' before. Thanks for the information!
@bunnydango
@bunnydango Год назад
loved this video!!!
@CompilerHack
@CompilerHack 6 месяцев назад
It's not exactly a fighting game but I feel I can use this idea to improve my Shogi (Japanese chess) game too or at least improve my post-game analysis ability. Thanks for sharing 😄
@The_Worst_Alien42
@The_Worst_Alien42 4 месяца назад
I clump information like that all the time!
@shrimpenjoyer
@shrimpenjoyer Год назад
I love your videos so much! Keep it up :)
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch Год назад
Thank you. I'll keep doing my best!
@AroundTheBlockAgain
@AroundTheBlockAgain 9 месяцев назад
"here, try to remember this list of words" me, having adhd, can barely remember three (3) unrelated things on a grocery list on a good day: Oh Gosh x_x Fortunately, it felt like there were two "chunks" in the list: upward-topography and furniture-and-furniture-effects. I managed to remember 9 from the unorganized list. If the categories had instead been upward-topography, furniture, and colors, I may have done far worse! Like. I can only remember three things on a grocery list with "Thing 1, Thing 2, and Thing I'm Forgetting (Must Perform A Deep Search)" So yes! The descriptions in this video felt like clear explanations of things I've improvised in my head over my lifetime. I can also definitely vouch for ADHD having fewer available chunks to work with, and the necessity of using categories-as-chunks to work with your memory, as other comments have mentioned.
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 9 месяцев назад
Ahh yes, the familiar feeling of going to the grocery store, forgetting something but still remembering that you''ve forgotten something.
@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490
@aflockofconnivingmagpies3490 22 дня назад
This is going to sound bizarre but whilst this is about fighting games primarily, this could also apply to learning yugioh, as in like modern yugioh, like as in really well.
@user-hp5wc9lz7b
@user-hp5wc9lz7b 2 месяца назад
Hello I'm a viewer from Korea and I really think this video is awesome! I am currently on a personal project about how to maintain 80% win rate in fighting games and your video helped a lot! From my research, there's going to be a delay between switchiing tasks and my goal is to reduce that delay so we can have more advantage over out opponents! Anyways, xD Can you please do a video about Mind-Games in fighting games? I would like to know from a psychologist's point of view. It will be very interesting I assume. Thank you!
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 2 месяца назад
Hmm, I've wanted to do a video on mind games for awhile. I'm working on another project right now but hopefully I'll be able to get around to it sometime soon!
@user-hp5wc9lz7b
@user-hp5wc9lz7b 2 месяца назад
@@RickiHirsch Glad to hear that! I will look forward to it. xD Keep up the good work!😃
@SpeedyShimeji
@SpeedyShimeji 6 месяцев назад
So... ✨Chunks, huh?
@ryanfraser6014
@ryanfraser6014 5 месяцев назад
Thanks for the insight. I played the game on the internet archive and I noticed two things. It was hard to remember all the previous moves of the AI , so I don't know if there was a discernable pattern in their actions or not. I was too busy trying to be prepared for their next actual overhead attack. And I noticed sometimes I would either intentionally let my guard down- I'd see the overhead coming but I wouldn't react remotely in time. Other times I got too trigger happy and would react to every twitch the AI avatar did which led to me reacting to attacks that werent the overhead, and she even has moves that look like they could be an overhead at first. It was hard to strike a balance and mentally prepared at 100% of the time. Do you know what this related phenomena is called ?
@ryanfraser6014
@ryanfraser6014 5 месяцев назад
Unintentionally let my guard down *
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 5 месяцев назад
I've seen it called a few things depending on the subject area usually something like "stimulus discrimination." Overtime, it gets easier as you become more familiar. Millia's moveset in particular can be rough since so many of her moves are designed to look similar until late in the animations.
@ryanfraser6014
@ryanfraser6014 3 месяца назад
Thanks, the term stimulus discrimination did wonders !
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 3 месяца назад
@@ryanfraser6014 Awesome! I'm glad it helped
@helenbotha2050
@helenbotha2050 4 месяца назад
This is so cool! What do if you have ADHD though? I'm suffering over here😅
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 4 месяца назад
Hello fellow ADHD haver. Yeah, it can be a struggle. What has worked for me is trying to be kind to myself and recognize that some days I'm just not going to have the spoons and try to come back to it when I do.
@helenbotha2050
@helenbotha2050 4 месяца назад
@@RickiHirsch Thank you!
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 4 месяца назад
Of course. I might be slower to respond lately but I'm happy to answer questions when I can
@minaDesuDesu
@minaDesuDesu 10 месяцев назад
Yo, bro. Have you played Mugen? 7:49 😊
@RickiHirsch
@RickiHirsch 10 месяцев назад
Ok, fair. That's the exception 😅😅
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