The Helldivers Nerf Situation Just Got Worse... 

The AC-8 Autocannon is a good example of a well-balanced weapon: it packs a powerful punch, has a very good range, but requires you to carry an ammo backpack or have a friend assist you.

@@KerriganTyranid The AC-8 Autocannon is a good example of a well-balanced weapon: it packs a powerful punch, has a very good range, but requires you to carry an ammo backpack or have a friend assist you.

Doesn't the Liberator Concussive do the same thing the Pummaler did? Effectively it seems to.

SSsshh... They might nerf it if you say it's good.

It also requires precision. Otherwise your shots just do less damage or bounce off outright.

My dude Lil bot came through a rock and gave me a Jumpscare

I haven't played since patch, they really still shoot thru walls? And not like the destructive ones either, the static stuff. ...why.

@@blacktemplar707 Because changes for realism only apply if the player has some kind of advantage. Otherwise, the devs don't give a crap about realism, clearly.

Also ending up under the maps surface is an often sight. Even such trivial thing like interacting with a terminal is often bugged. Recently nobody in my 4 man squad could interact with the terminal so we couldn't complete a nuke nursery mission.

Factory striders & heavy devastators still get deployed halfway inside mountains

For real. I remember in BF 5 those types of bombs would level nearly a whole block.

@@epgamer1145 A 500kg bomb is gonna level a block in reallife.

Exactly. The shockwave from that would be massive.

You have no idea how many times a 500KG doesn't kill anything because the warhead hit too deep inside the ground so the explosion kills nothing. Or it strokes through a Bile Titan / Hulk, explodes... and they walk out the fire as if they're the terminator or some crap. Like HOW.

Verry weird that 500kg bombs have radius of about 5-7 meters. I think that 7.5 blast radius is correct to the weight, but not to the shockwave.,

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That’s 90% of all available primary weapons. 40% of support weapons.

And they can't be fucked enough to buff those weak guns

It implies the existence of a desired amount of unreliability.

Tbf, super earth didn't actually come up with the FTL tech canonically, they stole it from the illuminates in the first galactic war, but yeah, I get your point lol

@@rickytheraccoon6102if they were able to reverse engineer ftl to the point of mass production enough to make it useful, our weapons should be far above where they currently are “realistically” ngl

Bro, fucking Starship Troopers even had guns that could actually kill the giant bugs with enough ammo. When an old comedy movie does it better than you, there's something wrong

THIS. This drives me insane with this game. Also, for some reason I can't see through smoke. I have FTL but I don't have IR vision. So dumb.

@@ericlamb4501 tbh they also took a whole mag to kill a medium-sized bug. That's probably where they got weapons being ineffective theme. Super Earth just isn't good at tech. That's because they're a totalitarian dictatorship that can't come up with solutions except "more war". That's kinda the theme of the game.

Already had it, higher diff and nerfs and no new powerful stuff to even the playing field..........

devs: "But everyone is using it, so we had to nerf it"

@@larsenconditioning6742 you hate the game yet you whine on it constantly

@@estonia888 Actually i love the game, i bought it before it was out cause i looked like a blast however when devs go in and says remove the fun. Ofc people are doing to speak up, it is not whining it is letting the devs know we are unhappy with the way they are going hell look at how the player numbers plummet efter the update. Lost over 20k players in 24 hours after the update, wonder why

I said this in a different video, the day AH nerfs the AC is the day this game dies

i mean they already lost 90% of the playerbase, why would they change anything if out of the 10% still playing only half are complaining lol

​@@Pyromanefleck I'm annoyed but I still have faith they will get their shit together and listen to us. My copium supplies are low but not empty yet.

@@carto4028 When your copium supplies run out come join me in Deep Rock Galactic. I went back to that game yesterday and have been having so much fun again.

There is only 10% player base having fun with the game. We are going to nerf everything. Have to get it to 0%-- Arrowhead.

@@Pyromanefleck Most games lose 90% of their highest peak, so what your point, the problem is the game really have no personal progression. People have fun, try out everything and then stop wait for another and join in.

Buffing them would make the game fun so I don’t think they will

I just want to see the purifier get some attention

Unpopular opinion the breaker spray & pray is a good gun and it's the main gun I use. I know it was worse than the breaker incendiary, but it's still a good gun and worth using imo. But yes I agree that they should buff other guns rather than nerf.

Buffing guns in waves between patches is literally such an easy way to make already existing content in the game more refreshing.

10000% the nades need a balance pass too, but not from AH. I want to use thermites, but cannot.

I realized a while ago they are woke devs when they banned me from their discord for simply asking them to keep real-life politics/cults OUT of the game. They don't want the players to like the game because of it's outrageous lore or awesome gun-play. So they are nerfing all the good parts until the only people left playing are the "modern audience". Self destructive like everything else woke.

Of all monkeys in arrowhead HQ, i thought 1 will eventually evolve

I realized a while ago they are w0k3 devs when they banned me from their discord for simply asking them to keep real-life p0litics/cults OUT of the game. They don't want the players to like the game because of it's outrageous lore or awesome gun-play. So they are nerfing all the good parts until the only people left playing are the "m0dern audience". Self destructive like everything else w0k3.

@@quanlinglingdingle6122 youtube comments are not worth using. You can't post any truth.

@@quanlinglingdingle6122 Especially when Pilestedt became the CCO, but my/our hopes were for naught...

Can only kill one enemy at a time now since the update with old flamer

disliking thier puffy cartoon flames would be considered toxic by the community mods because xir/zer has put a lot of effort into it and not liking it is therefor a noo noo. (yes, its a real life reference)

​@@crushthedemoniacit's always those loonietr00ns that ruin companies.

Yeah the new effect is trash.

the new fire on the flamethrower makes it feel like the gun is angle upwards slightly, even if the damage was identical I'd still use it less because it feels gross

Yup they go to the debug erea. Spawn in a static enemy shoot it a few times. Do a thumbs up and toss it into the game.

man my gun do no damage when i aim at the armored spot on the enemies every things should die in one hit, you people are straight up stupid lol

I am not sure how they could be testing anything at all really, even the shop demo footage fails to demonstrate the weapons well half the time and those are recorded against static enemies with no active AI. Like the rockets miss a stationary target, the strafe run misses most of its targets and fails to kill the one thing it does hit...which was a Stalker so it wasn't going to kill that thing anyway, the 500KG bomb only kills the bile titan in its demo because it's already half dead- you can see it bleeding before the bomb goes off.

Probably how they tested the Impaler enemy. They rationalized that it doesn't kill you that fast and declared its excessive ragdoll on misses was fine. Meanwhile the other 30 enemies while you're on your butt...

No They don't test anything. They simply nerf stuff to anger the community.

And you carry an infinite amount of them

@@ixandroid6085no you’re limited to 3 per mission.

@@snowywolfangel9865 the baseball sized sphere isn't emitting THAT laser.... that one is clearly being fired from the destroyer in orbit.

Realism: the 500kg in the game doesn't produce nearly as large of an explosion that it should

@@snowywolfangel9865 the ball that is being thrown to summon the strategem? I am seeing many more than 3 being thrown in these vids

Yea there was a pretty similar revolt when they nerfed unstable containment field. Actually as a driller main there have been a number of massive nerfs to the kit yet drg somehow weathered them...

@@creativityfails1haven’t played in awhile, how is driller rn?

Absolutely not, deep rock works because the game isn't built to be hard, helldivers 2 was, people want there weapons to carry them, which is completely antithetical to the way the game was desighned from the ground up

​@@calebbarnhouse496back cover of HD2 physical version said spread democracy with overpowered weapon. Clearly someone on the balance team is sabotaging this game

@@calebbarnhouse496Bro AH isn’t gonna hire you, stop glazing so hard and open your damn eyes.

You know I am almost tempted to try the first one so I could see the differences, you know except the POV

@@mentoss2197 every gun just melts, there are shotguns that can kill on any distance as long as you can see the enemy, lasers that have extremely long range and infinite ammo till you don't overheat it, assault rifles that make swiss cheese out of enemies, tanks and mecha suits and have i told you that you can upgrade any weapon? I mean any and some of them have "fire" bullets AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY COMPLETE ANY DIFFICULTY AS LONG AS YOU HAVE: 1. One more player 2. Skill 3. Good equipment

This is very realistic! Right guys? Weapons evolve backwards right? That’s extremely realistic

@@prabhav1788 yeah it's been like 100 years since first war ended

@@mentoss2197 I love Helldivers 1. It's brilliant. Keep playing until you're able to do higher difficulties for sure. The game just constantly rewards you. Weapons all feel fun. You can even random select your stratagems, thats how confident they are you can have fun with any loadout.

Dont waste your time outside, in this economy, everything is useless. Better enjoy some escapism.

Why can't you have both?

@@nikitab.6600 So we should get rid of bugs?

Because realism always ruins games?

I wonder why the ammo booster has 100% pickrate lol

It has became a necessity now because 90% of the primary weapons could not kill small enemies fast enough when dropping into crowded zones

The reality is it has 100% pick rate cause it's not a booster, it's you dropping with your actual inventory worth of ressources. You could literally not equip the booster, call in a resupply, and until you die, it would feel the same as not having the booster. To this day, I don't understand why this is even considered a "booster" and not just our default

@@thiccfilaat this point just make hellpod opt and vitality(and maybe even stamina) just the base stats, That way they can make boosters that are more fun so people can use more diverse boosters as well

Unless ppl get better at this game, itll never drop from 100.

Lol, lmao, move along hellwhiner

@@militarumtempestusscion222 why did battlefield die? :)

Just like Frontier Developments and Elite Dangerous. Had a massively successful kickstarter campaign and then proceeded to destroy that success by getting greedy and chasing the live-service model.

​​​@@BHRxRACERWait till you tell him about siege and overwatch too... I was a battlefield player. I don't hate the newest but yeah it's legacy I had been ruined. Rainbow Six Siege is such a good example of what AH is doing. Look at the poor game. Only nerfs... Is balance but at what cost? Overwatch 2. God that one hurt too. We've seen it all before and this is not the first time so yeah there comment makes no sense. It's like despite everything that's happened to those games I still don't wish for Helldivers and the other games to be failures I want them to succeed. People like them just don't want to engage in conversation which yeah reinforces the problem. Ignorance...

the same problem is plaguing the entire entertainment industry, specifically writers. A quote by George R.R. Martin: “Everywhere you look, there are more screenwriters and producers eager to take great stories and make them their own. It does not seem to matter whether the source material was written by Stan Lee, Charles Dickens or Tolkien. No matter how major a writer it is, no matter how great the book, there always seems to be someone on hand who thinks he can do better, eager to take the story and improve on it. The book is the book, the film is the film, they will tell you, as if they were saying something profound. They never make it better, though. Nine hundred ninety-nine times out of a thousand, they make it worse.” Arrowhead had an amazing idea, they ironed it out during Alpha/Beta stages, then when the game launched, most of those devs got reassigned to other projects. The people left on the Helldiver's team today most likely did not participate in those early development stages, and have been slowly eroding the game's original vision, patch by patch, to fit whatever their new vision is. Which, to me, it feels like their new vision basically amounts to a bunch of devs who either never liked video games in the first place, or who simply suck at games since they spend 16+ hours a day working, have taken over the project and are now fetishizing the idea of creating the ultimate "hardcore super difficult" game that nobody can actually beat, even though they play at difficulty 5. like they want to punish players for even suggesting that their ideas aren't good enough.

People should just move on already. They clearly aren't listening to the community at all like they pretend to. They just have to learn the hard way

Try giving any criticism in the discord, the mods will freak

@@JFire175 i'm *this* close to uninstall, but i really don't wanna, i love being a Helldiver :c

@@fran7947 I'd suggest checking out the 1rst one. It's Isometric and everyone is locked to a single screen, but it is the originator of the fun parts of 2 and you can do new stuff like use the invincibility of a jetpack jump (since it's isometric) timed perfectly with a hellbomb detonation to get a screen wipe.

It’s tragic what empty promises and bullheaded blunders can do to a flourishing community

Fr. Arrowhead is the new Ubisoft.

Its as if arrowhead hire only failed pvp game devs to balance their game or something 😂

I would rather have r6s' balancing at least the fun stuff sticks around longer, at least way back when I played it. I still remember the acog on jager....

Moins?

I quit Siege because of the bad balance changes and I've quit this game as well because of it. Sad but true

to avoid the issue of his son going outside, papa decided to detonate the nuclear warhead. they were all vaporized in a milisecond. wait, where are we going with this metaphor?

Clearly, now Papa has no choice but to destroy the Outside. It's for Timmy's own good.

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So instead of writing a whole analogy as a rebuttal, I'm just going to say here that Breaker Incediary's ammo nerf literally only makes it so you have to be slightly more intelligent about ammo expenditure but doesn't nerf its DPS aside from running full empty faster in a magdump, and flamethrower was always a chaff sweeper and area denial weapon.

so you post this comment now everywhere....im dissapointed

i'd rather get my balls crushed than play a super helldive with the liberator concussive

I imagine they’ll get rid of or “tone down” the stun if we did lol

Isn't it confirmed they already do that?

That would be the toughest month of my life using only that piece of shit

​@@acewolfgang276THEY WHAT

Theres 9 lower difficulties

@@yllekfrizco4557 enemies are still the same and wepons still shit

@@adrewadrew5860 Y'all still can't play without something broken to carry you. Learn the game instead of demanding the game be a broken mess.

@@hariman7727 zip it up when you're done bro

@@jooot_6850 Keep me out of your fantasies and stop being gross you child.

The slugger got buffed. The I. Breaker does just as much damage, but you need to NOT spam entire magazines at a single group of enemies. Many people use non-meta builds at difficulty 7, 8, and 9. You are the problem.

Slugger used to go through enemies now it doesnt

@@hippoace It got buffed to stagger enemies again, which makes it very nice to use now.

​@@hariman7727Slugger did? Thanks I'll have to try it out again

@@hariman7727 it used to be better. dunno why they nerf it. it has slow rof, low ammo, so much neg to it yet they still nerf it.

A really important factor on top of this: The pickrate was 30% for the mission, not the player. Meaning the actual pickrate could have been anywhere from 7.5% to that 30%. I am willing to bet most matches only had 2 people with the breaker incendiary at most

​@@beskarbaron6503but that would require them to actually pay attention instead of pretending they can control the fun

@@beskarbaron6503 ya and that a high as fuck number having half the team in every match have that weapon is proof enough it was over performing, the other weapons aren't weak it was to strong, people with stupid logic people will cry to buff every things else like they did with the railgun, man my pistol doesn't do as much damage as a nuke this game suck.

​@@angerskarin9222you can still delete this comment

@@angerskarin9222 purifier, scythe(debatable imo), spray and pray, liberator concussive/penetrator, dagger, thermite grenade, arc thrower, and recoilless would all like a word with you. In all seriousness though a majority of the weapons people say are bad aren’t really bad at all. The tenderizer and the adjudicator are both great examples of this. Oh these two ARs have low ammo count? Then maybe don’t use them for EVERY SINGLE ENEMY that isn’t a charger or hulk. Either way though, people don’t want OP weapons, they want weapons to be up to par and at the very least viable. The incendiary breaker was obviously the best option and not because it was “over performing” but because more than half of our arsenal UNDERPERFORMS! Which half of the armory that is depends on which faction you go up against too

Don't think they will have time to write anything on the notepad while bots and bugs hordes are coming in waves. Need to reload and look for supplies while dive and stim and run most of the time. Plus ragdoling as bonus

It really seems like they don’t know what they are doing. Seems like they also stealth nerfed experimental infusion run speed. They act like when they are talking about why they nerfed a weapon that your fighting a particular enemy in a bubble . Not having a bile titan , bile spewers, stalkers and a 100 trash at the same time. Oh and now we have the new charger with the tentacles. Turning the game into frustration instead of fun. It would be like playing world of Warcraft and every month or two they were changing stats on popular weapons . Nobody does that. Then act surprised when players are pissed.

Finally someone who acknowledges chargers are spammed way too fucking much for the firepower arrowhead gives us for them

They have this strange obsession with keeping the guns feeling realistic in an unrealistic horde shooter.

They should have told us the composition of enemy forces before dropping in. Then I WONT NEED a META build to deal with every possible spawns. Why the hell i would bring incendiary shotgun when I know the waves will be composed of bile spewers. Why I would bring DMR when I know im gonna fight tons of hunters. ITS Fooking stupid for them not to think why I need a extremely versatile build with no obvious weakness

"Waaaah, game hard! Make easier!"

@@hariman7727 Bait or mental retardation, call it

@@hariman7727 lol, you may have commented this on the wrong diver

​@@Neatherherothey're a fan going around blindly defending the game.

Bro is white knighting for a company and they're not even on the company payroll Jesus lmao

Skill issue, drop some gas or a air burst

@@militarumtempestusscion222 So if running out of ammo is a skill issue, then you have no problem if your favorite weapons have their ammo reduced by 80 percent? Because you'll still play the game, and the devs can do no wrong, right? Great, conversation over then. I'll let you get back to eating paint chips.

​@@VotePaineJeffersondon't bother replying to that guy or the Hariman guy, both are literally white knighting the game and think YOU'RE the issue with the game

@@muhammadapriputrakurniawan2222 I doubt they actually play the game. Nobody whose gotten past level 25 thinks the game is too easy and more weapons need nerfs.

@@VotePaineJefferson shit i don't play the game either, but at least I don't go around and shitting other people with "skill issue" for every comment that talk about the game

Yes! Thats a role in a team that has disappeared because of the "blanacing". Staying in long ranfe and sniping enemies does not cut it anymore

Don’t you get it though? Nerfing the eruptor was TOTALLY necessary and encouraged DIVERSITY OF GAMEPLAY. Fucking hell I want to vomit having written that even in jest.

This is exactly what I did as a railgun main! Though I will personally say, a primary weapon killing bile titans is a bit crazy, nerfing it to the fucking BOTTOM FLOOR OF THE OCEAN is even crazier. Sounds like a familiar story to me, honestly.

Why did they nerf it? It sounds like you were having "fun".

This was my role in my friend group, I stayed further back and made calls for incoming threats and covered my squadmates' backs, and peeled when necessary.

Sickle

@@quintonlim4275breaker, arc thrower, sickle, eruptor, slugger, and now inc. breaker and flame thrower. Instead of Meta at AH we have Leta: de Least efficient tactics available

If they take my blitzr away I'm uninstalling

I want them to fix my blitzer. Tired of it targeting dead creatures and random plants.

Pause

Hum no they wouldn't. However a 500kg would absolutely wipe a city block and the orbital laser seeing its power should absolutely cut through anything like butter

@@me67galaxylife ^ this literally the blast radius would be 70 meters which would also kill us but like why not have it's damage not nerfed and instead give us the 13 meter blast radius while also making it do the same amount of damage from 0-13 meters. Like I seen Hunters walk away from that with no damage.

Today my teammate facetank it near the Pelican door... Literally about 2 meters, i dont know how he did that, but it was REALLY cool

@@reaper8264 with roughly ~230kg of explosive filler, the 500kg should instantaneously kill ANYTHING within 10 meters, and deal intense damage beyond that.. It's a god damn shame that it can barely kill things within 3m.

its pitaful how little damage the 500kg and 380mm do, need I remind everyone 380mm is a common battleship size gun, same size found on the bismarck class.

Because it's balanced, and actually ISN'T the broken be all end all like Thicc pretends it is.

@@hariman7727He wasn’t saying it was broken. He was challenging them that if they think X is so broken it needs a nerf, then the AC should get it too. And AC is undisputed ruler of Bots. There’s usually a minimum of 2 in the games I play.

Probably because Joel Pilestedt (previous CEO now CCO) said it is his favorite weapon. Otherwise Alexus "the balancer" might get thrown out (which would be great for the game).

@@hariman7727 balanced guns have been nerfed for the sake of it being “overused” in the eyes of the balancing team. That point is futile.

@@osamabinlaggin3281 the broken guns are nerfed. There's also been buffs for weaker guns too, but those get ignored.

You could not live with your own failure. And where did that lead you. Back to AC.

@@thiccfila Fucking based

@@thiccfila Based af

Pretty sure it's the dev favorite, which I get it's a really good well designed gun, but PLEASE let us have fun with other options.

The fun bit? The ONLY reason the AT weapons like the recoilless and quasar take 2 hits to kill the behamoth is because of damage falloff. The AT weapons do exactly the amount of damage needed to blow their head off, but you lose 1 POINT of damage as soon as the projectile leaves the launcher due to bad damage falloff. (prolly an engine issue and not an easy fix in the slightest, if it even -can- be fixed). You CAN compensate for this by walking forward, which adds a tiny bit more momentum to the rocket to add that extra 1 damage back. It is amusing that moving forward DOES increase momentum which adds more damage, and moving away from the enemy reduces damage. So Always advance, and never Retreat Helldivers!

I mean it "broke" how many times?

LARPers, like ODough would say. They have a romaticized milsim idea in their minds that's so far away from the reality of their creation. And it only demonstrates once again the biggest community complain, that they don't play their game enough. Even recently the CEO basically admitted it saying that they would love to do it more but every hour they play is time they waste on "developing" the game...

@@thelegendaryklobb2879 really makes me wish they would play the game more, because rather than develop the game, they ruin it for the players.

The spawns seem to be buffed. I'm in constant contact without breaches. We're into 4 chargers 2 biles and impalers and spore chargers all at once now and no flame thrower.

@@thelegendaryklobb2879 You don't even need to play the game to understand. Just watch anyone actually playing the game at higher difficulties. It all looks really cool. All they have to do is not ruin that experience. BUT THEY WANT TO.

Don't forget that fire is also blocked by wire fences. Those big holes in the fence are fire repellent.

@@juan0808 xD ikr? top notch engineering I swear!

@@juan0808 Napalm sticks to kids, but bounces off air!

I’m convinced no one on the team has even held a gun.

@@ionmedicaldesigns8122 this could be true but supposedly they have gun nuts or something in the team. I think I recall someone saying they actually went out shooting to get the "feel" right at the beginning of development but don't quote me on that. This would make many decisions bizarre af

They already got nerfed, used to be able to stun Bile Titans

Sounds like an exploit, nerf incoming for those naughty players

yep, and devs dont even know it bounces off i watched the live stream, it was funny tho .... and a bit painful to watch........ AH devs know nothing about their game

Learn weak points. Learn which weapons work in what situation.

@@hariman7727 Most weapons do not work in most situations, same as OG Helldivers. Did you know that nearly all high-level missions were everyone with the same railcannon primary and eat its?

@@KB-fk3jj Explain more. I don't know if you're talking about OG helldivers, this Helldivers, and why I should care because this community is toxic spoiled brats commenting on a video made of assumptions and logical fallacies.

​@@hariman7727 Helldivers community is far from that, it's not the best either, but not toxic at all. We justwant to have fun and feel like badasses with our friends shooting virtual enemies because it is fun. Right now, things are less fun and more like a chore due to dubious if not downright idiotic decissions by disconnected and apparently disinformed and disingenious developers. Most of the players feel like this, from the looks of it, and yet we keep struggling because we know this game has great potential and fun, and hope these nerfs will be reversed and most useless weapons get improved in the end. It's not about what is meta or not, but what works and doesn't. We call out bullshit because we care, not because we're "toxic and spoiled brats". Or go whete you might care.

"...which a massive futuristic flame thrower USED TO DO." --- fixed it for you.

Fire would probably obscure vision as well. Yet they come straight at you.

the bugs ran from fire in the first game :)

Hmmmm, totally unrealistic. You know what is realistic? Getting ragdolled a 1000 times.

Fire passing through a charger's face to hit behind it isn't realistic. you're just justifying whining about weapon balance when you want broken weapons instead of a game that will last.

Exactly. They got lucky and now are just fumbling around.

That's the thing though: their entire catalog _have_ been bangers showing it's clearly not an accident. They knew what they were doing previously. The weapon balance guy they hired on for this game clearly just has a massive case of cranial rectal inversion and they just can't seem to tell him "No, you're fired. Get out. Stop ruining our game."

Wait, when did Thiccs community stop being the "glaze Arrowhead" bubble? Maybe if yall opened your eyes earlier, this would be slowed down. Well, with Space Marine releasing, nobody really gives a crap anymore

Yup

@@mawnkey yes and no, lots of hd1 players will tell you that they did the exact same thing to the weapons in that game. (I wouldn’t know just what I’ve seen ppl say)

And the whole reason we play higher difficulties is due to a fucked reward/progression system and people want the hordes in a horde shooter and the lower difficulties dont offer that. This whole game is munted and devs are too. Im so glad i quit

Because that's the answer my guy, if you're good you can most weapons. It's OK for a game to be hard. "A game for everyone is a game for no one"

​@militarumtempestusscion222 the game is not hard. It's just fucking boring when your weapons suck

Omfg finally someone mentions this. It’s infuriating. I like the difficulty that comes from higher difficulty. But half the time I’m playing it feels like bs artificial difficulty instead because of some busted as spawn rates. If having to turn down the difficulty is the only way to balance the game, the game isn’t balanced correctly

@pphead9960 level 10 is basically bullfighting with 5 chargers till your strategems recharge. Like sure, I have done it successfully multiple times, but it absolutely doesn't make me want to keep playing

Or they made the money and mentally are already gone.... or the good programmers are already gone.

It's more likely that it's two, but they only insist that they care because they hope the problem goes away. The problem never goes away, instead it's the players who the problem affects leaving after feeling unheard. That's why the player count has dropped to about 10% of the all time high.

*4. Multiple devs are purposefully making choices to sabotage the game and studio because of internal drama/choices and disagreements. Just like how Lana Wachowski made Matrix 4 bad on purpose

Or they simply do not play their own freaking game, like 90 percent of devs these days and solely focus on weapon usage numbers.

The vocal Hellwhiners don't know how to design a game and just want broken shit to faceroll before they leave for the next shiny thing.

Nah, they'll nerf some more XD

To quote Starbreeze with it's Payday 3 balancing problems "It's on the table"

Arrowhead proceeds to burn the table​@@CaptainXIglo

Their the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude

"We've discussed internally and found no wrongdoing on our end." Arrowhead acting like they're a corrupt government.

Sometimes you have to nerf the meta, because the meta is so broken good, that buffing everything to it would destroy the game. But it should never be the standard approach, it should be the absolute last result when you developed yourself into a corner. Edit: For the people with compromised reading comprehension: I did not say that the current nerfs for the BI or flamer were needed, in fact, I hate both. But there are cases when you cannot avoid nerfing, yes, even in a PVE game.

@@Warfokibug meta was fine. Flamethrower had drawbacks. Terrible range and burn yourself and teammates.

@@Warfoki You don't nerf the meta in a PvE game...

@@Warfoki automatons have typed this comment. Hersey.

Thor isn't making Helldivers. Grow up and play the game instead of whining for broken weapons.

The game is fun to play and balanced. The Whinedivers/Hellwhiners are just mad that their new "META" weapon has been balanced to be effective IF you don't spray entire magazines, and use 4 to 6 shots on enemy groups instead. Which makes ammo last longer. The Incendiary Breaker is still a great weapon... if you are willing to LEARN HOW TO USE IT, instead of just spraying all your ammo out on everything.

​@@hariman7727 the issue is not the individual nerf, but the trend every single nerf has been just nuking the weapon or just destroying its main appeal if you watched the video you can clearly see that as a fact, the incendiary breaker is the same as it was if you bring a supply backpack but if you dont then its not that great since you dont have enough ammo to last till the next resupply with even good ammo management if that is your main chaff clearing equipment the really annoying thing is that they are not buffing AR weapon ammo counts to make them useful or just in general not having weapons that can be used on super helldive diff i want a good range of weapons to pick between just like how i have a wide range of useful stratagems bc those are balanced a lot better they need to do the same for support and primary weapons, and also the ragdoll is quite over tuned like it feels like im a ping pong ball at times

@@hariman7727 my guy, you have wrote over 100+ comments on this channel yes-maning and defending the game go outside and touch grass bro.

@@selectionn you first.

Yeah exactly what im doing too hahaha. I think i quit in… april? Maybe sometime before or after? Idk but its been months and im glad i stopped playing

the only realism they added from the beginning is the lack of White NPCs in the future

All the games are balanced and usable. Learn weak points and which weapons affect what, and then learn how to maneuver around enemies. All this focusing on nerfs to the "only usable weapons" means you IGNORE WEAPONS THAT TAKE SKILL TO USE, which is the entire game.

@@hariman7727 Just because they're usable doesn't mean they're good at their job. I could use a logging axe to cut my steak but that doesn't mean it's doing a good job at cutting the steak.

@@TastyMackerel That's the problem. Everyone's trying to use the weapons as easy win buttons, and they're getting frustrated. Helldivers are at a DISADVANTAGE because Super Earth is incompetent (heresy detected) and sends ill equipped cannon fodder to handle superior enemies.

@@hariman7727 and so what is the reason for people to play this game then? Sure, you arrowhead cock sucker always come with the "but this game is not hoard shooter lmao", but why would anyone play lidl l4d2 when they can just play l4d2?

​@@hariman7727​​ its a pve game, balance shouldnt matter that much to begin with, not as much as if it were a pvp game instead. its about having fun, which the devs are taking away 1 by 1 because of "realism". nobody plays this game for realism, if i wanna play a "realistic" game, i'll play tarkov, not helldivers where we fight elephant sized bugs

The guy in charge of balance team already killed hello neighbours game now he's trying to kill helldivers 2

It's a skill issue my guy, use your stratagems

@@militarumtempestusscion222me when a fucking headless brood commander called in a bug breach. 💀

I don't even use primary weapons for wave clear anymore, the mmg has so much ammo now, the orbitals are spammable and the turrets last forever now.

@@creativityfails1 It begs the question, "What are primaries and secondaries even for right now?" It feels like the goal is to have people work as a team, where one person clears chaff with a support weapon and one person has an extra option for heavies. Are primaries just backups to your support weapons?

@@militarumtempestusscion222 so what do you do when everything is on cd ?

All 3 of those weapons are still plenty viable, skill issue

@@militarumtempestusscion222 viable yeah but in comparison to others weapons completely overshadowed. Bro I haven't seen a SINGLE railgun since the nerf. The erupter can barely kill a small group of enemies lile it used to and the flamethrower just lost a huge reason to take it.

​@@dominickciccarelli5972don't bother discussing with that guy, all his response always ends up with skill issue, how about he solve his life issues?

@@muhammadapriputrakurniawan2222 Nah its cool I doubt he'll reply anyway lol

I also love the dumbasses that DEFEND this mentality stating that "It'S toO DiFFiCulT To BUfF OtHEr WEaPonS." When I'm reality, it's not. Give higher armor pen to some weapons in the middle, and their usage will skyrocket. But that would require devs who ACTUALLY play their game at lvl 6 or higher.

But you gotta understand good game design is hard and Arrow Head wants to be lazy.

@@Baldeagle-tw2nv they did and failed. Even my grandma can play better than those idiots

Them devs basically forcing you to eat $ht coz there are no good options left lol

cos they are tossers stupid wankers who dont even play their own game

They don't even play past difficulty 5(being generous)

@@samuraitadpole5459 And I feel like a lot of people are talking about this as a meme, but the origin was an actual stream that they did, testing the new update. A squad of 2 sony people (these have an excuse to suck) and 2 AH devs were LITERALLY having a hard time in a difficulty 5 mission.

@@ric6611 it was never treated like a meme, it's just too many meat riders refuse to acknowledge it and since they're the majority now it just seems that way

​@@samuraitadpole5459luckily as the days go on i believe we start to outnumber the meat riders

Obviously the solution here is to give the chargers railguns because letting them overcook the railgun in unsafe mode is more dangerous than actually getting shot at by it

I actually understand the change to fire physics somewhat. Think how broken it would be to kill a charger with the crisper secondary flame thrower. The problem is that the support weapon flamethrower should still be able to kill a charger. Give it some fucking heavy armor pen. Even if the ttk was a bit slower it wouldn't be nearly as bad.

Thicc is just bitching because he thinks he's better than the developers at making games, when he and the Hellwhiners are actually acting like spoiled brats.

@@hariman7727 lol AH has to spoil the playerbase before they can act spoiled. It baffles me how we can experience constant nerfing and broken game and people still take the stance of its the community's fault.

@@hariman7727 "Stop Nerfing shit and just buff the other stuff to a better level" "hElLwHiNerS"

@@aer8975 "We've tried nothing but the most broken weapons and refuse to play the game with anything else! Break your game for us instead of making a balanced game!"

Next patch: The Autocannon is too reliable. We reduced the magazine size to 5, and reduced total mags in the backpack to 6. 🎉🎉🎉

Coz its the former CEOs favorite

All the complainers refuse to learn how to play the game with the damage system, and instead are looking for a way to play the game that exists in their heads.

@@hariman7727 bootlick harder

@@rhagos5562 Get a better comeback than just insults.

This comment is worth highlighting because the game does offer moment to moment adrenaline. Something they are trying to create, they have already created, but it's when they artificially force it that it's bad.

You guys both do a great job of staying positive overall about the game! I respect that u both can also acknowledge its flaws, makes for a balanced approach that a lot of viewers respect

Well said love the game and will continue to play but if not the direction then at minimum the implementation of nerfs has to be handled better.

Some said that Arrowhead probably trying to make HD2 to have the HD1 difficulty, basically team work or die.

If Arrowhead want guns to be realistic, I want bugs and bots to be realistic too.

Most things felt really powerful in HD1, which merited their long cooldowns or usage limits- they were reliable miniboss delete buttons and area clearing tools. 2 they don't kill the biggest enemies in one hit then go into a 3 minute cooldown, meanwhile there's 4 or 5 of those big enemies still chasing you, and one isn't even on fumes of remaining health, only half dead if you're lucky

@@gtf234 There are 2 thing from HD1 that would make HD2 much better and fun: 1) Individual Resuply with 2 packs; 2) Repeat Stratagems in the loadout. But both of this AH would be afraid to do because they are incompetent to balance it out decently. Specially because they want us to have always less ammo. Literally starve to death without ammo.

@@KerriganTyranid We all do fine with less ammo, we just call it down every time it is up and never use strategy when calling in supplies anymore. What we DON'T do with less ammo is... enjoy the game at all. I don't want infinite ammo, but I don't want to spend my entire 45 minutes thinking about it either!

​​@@KerriganTyranidits baffling why the resupply can only be called by one player at a time when in technicality each player brings their own ship and army where's the realism in that AH

At least they got the janky combat part down from their DS inspiration.

Well, im did use the fire breaker, they only low the ammo count which could fix with supply bp

Right! These enemies are tough so we will use the best tools for job to handle them. They want us to hammer a nail with a ruler.

@@professorflash3278 yea sure no wonder SB is now the best backpack.

I... that... WHAT?! USE THE WEAPONS YOU HAVE!

@@hariman7727 hard to do when they keep getting nerfed

​@@hariman7727Look, I know you have terminal brain cancer so I'll put this in a way you can understand: -the guns introduced in this patch are premium, so free to play players can't get them. -the guns already here mostly suck ass and the good ones are being nerfed as we speak (furthermore the endless waves of enemies make things even worse). Got any of that?

​@@hariman7727OK LIL BRO GO BACK TO HELLDIVING ISNTEAD OF WHITE KNIGHTING BRO, DO YOU GET PAID FOR THIS

U can do that by lowering the difficulty. And if u dont want, thats your ego talking.

@@redfish6549enemies are the same on every difficulty. They deal same damage no matter it's level 1 or 10. You good lil bro?

Still think many guns need buffs to be more fun/add versatility

@@redfish6549bro put your dick away and stop unrealistically glazing this dev team bro

enemy damage output is a-ok, they do need to buff guns tho

Sooooo, you need to play in lower dif. ;)

Lower your difficulty. This ain't doom eternal

Maaan i got hit with it's tentacle when i was in my EXO-45. What can i say, TITANFALL 3 looks sick.

Do you take everything that is said to you at face value?

​@@mist12345678910"just lower the difficulty bro" and don't uograde your ships cuz you don't have samples. Fucking brilliant

This is great info, and especially from someone who is well versed in balance testing. Thank you for sharing!

With this logic black ops 6 is going to kill sm2

​@@stormjet814Why? BO6 isn't a horde shooter, and the closest thing to it is the zombies, an optional mode to the main game

Lmao I'm definitely spending most of my free time on Space marine 2 instead of helldivers. But also because I've been waiting over a decade for the game and it's got PVP too

@@stormjet814 not gonna happen cause they killed their zombies mode with mw3, whatever they have with bo6 wont have the same feeling nor will it bring people over from bug killing to zombie killing, Space marine 2 is going to be literally what people want with helldivers at this moment, overpowered weapons to kill hordes of enemies which was promised to us before helldivers released and yet they just keep nerfing shit while upgrading the enemy

Right because playing both games is somehow not possible Do most people only play one game?

If they wanted realism that's definitely the way to go 🤣🤣🤣

Actual reality: The whining players don't know how to use anything that isn't broken.

​@@hariman7727 More actual reality: unpaid Shiller like you shill so hard, you'd think you're getting paid by arrowhead defending it from criticism lol

@@hariman7727bad bait.

@@Dr.Oofers your attempted psychic read on me failed. Don't quit your day job, Ms. Cleo.

Indeed, they could have overtune forgotten weapons so a lot of players would come back for the insanity. As new data comes in they could begun to nerf them again. This could have given them a couples of months to make new content and see what works and what doesn't.

@@juan0808 It's crazy how they are more scared of over tuning weapon then over nerfing them.

they lack the brains to do it

Also they made a big song and dance about the update with the least amount of quantitative gameplay changes which also increased the magnitude of feeling conned here. I applaud all the bug fixes but that is the literal point of your job if you are going to provide a live service model and not a complete finished product.

Seriously, Like they have now fixed all the problems with the Liberator Guarddog and now its worth running. Which is nice since they just nerfed all 3 weapons I run to fight bugs with anyway. They act like the most popular choices are the meta, why didnt they wait to see how the new warbond would affect their number on fighting bugs before nerfing the incendiary? It is the ONLY fire primary, of course its the most popular against bugs!

That's why i despise the realism argument

Literally how the fuck do we keep on getting weaker with insignificant buffs and major nerfs and the bugs get a super armored enemy that can fling you across the map another charger just this time it spews fart clouds and a alpha don’t even get me started on bots

@@samuraitadpole5459they jus keep deflecting from the fact that they don’t know how to balance this game

@@AKIRA-oz5cg worse part is the meat riders that keep defending Arrowhead nerfing the player in a pve game like that's supposed to make the guns finally be effective

The US Army would disagree about not nerfing weapons. Vietnam. Look up Wendigoons video on how the US sabotaged their own weapons.

This is a flawless nutshell for delivering the memo on how bad their balance philosophy and why.

Geneva convention, bro. Remember 1st world war? Gas? So yeah, they do. But we fighting something different sooo....

Yeah like the Emancipator ....the Military....hmmm we have 2 autocannon ammunitions' types that are really effective against enemies.....yeah lets load this bad boy with a third inferior ammo type.....

​@@red11rus85 yes, but we're gonna ignore that fact

​@@red11rus85geneva convention ? More like a to do list

I really dont understand why they are dont take an example from DRG. Its a really fun game to play, because of devs, that dont nerf the guns to shit and let player pick gun and upgrades that they WANT and still be effective on high hazards

@@vangogich Even in DRG when they nerf things they're normally minor and they tend to buff things to compensate. Like with the Drak-25 plasma when they nerfed the bounce from a green to a yellow overclock, they also buffed the Drak's over all ammo economy and buffed 3 of the under used OC's. IIRC that was also the same patch they made the GK2 have exceptional single target DPS by mega buffing AI Stability engine. The DRG dev's saw scouts were using the DRAK-25, but not the GK2. So what did they do? They actually buffed the DRAK-25 to make it better at dealing with groups with a good ammo economy. And then buffed the GK2 to being a good single target weapon with mediocre ammo economy to differentiate the 2 weapons.

​@@Deadsnake989shit yeah the way drg handle the balance of guns is 2 worlds above helldiver at this point

Yep

At least the grenade pistol feels better to use now, dispite having less ammo in the reserve.

Exactly. If you are not using AC or GL, the Nade Pistol is like mandatory to use. Seeing that Eruptor and Crossbow are terrible primaries.

We at Arrowhead hear you. The Stun Grenade will now only affect small and medium enemies, and we have also cut the Grenade Pistol's ammo count down to 4 shots. We have also increased Hunter spawn rates by 10,000%

The actual scenario should be that you use 4 or 5 well placed shots, maneuver away to let the fire burn the first squad down, and then do the same for the next TWO squads. Which I did with the "unusable nerfed I breaker".

If only it was to motivate us to buy the new weapons, but the 3 last warbonds' weapons all kinda suck. Pummeler was okay but got nerfed, tenderizer lacks ammo by a lot, purifier is a worse Plasma punisher, Lib carbine lacks ammo and is basically a more inaccurate Liberator, knives suck, the 2 new flamers came prenerfed and the new shotgun is just another Punisher. The only warbonds that are still worth it to this day are cutting edge and steeled veteran, the 2 first ones.

@@teecee1827 I think that is indicative of their sheer lack of imagination. They're trying to make a live service game, which means they have to provide variety. They shot themselves in the foot when the weapons didn't have upgrades or customizability to have varying stats. Simply rehashing the exact same gun, but with "flamey bullets" tells me they should have allowed the players to simply customize their own guns. Warframe's longevity can be traced by the sheer amount of customization available and grinding to reach certain points.

nah bro you just have to rely on your stratagems like the dogsht 500kg bomb that has a blast radius the size of a sewing needle or the support weapon stratagems, which are nerfed and will continue to be nerfed

@@selectionn yeah that argument was so lame from them, rely on the other set of equipment that underperforms consistently.

Can't have a meta if everything is equaly dogshit *taps head*

@@Heretic_realand is very limited in use. Please play left 4 dead 2 or deep rock. This game is sucking the life from each of its players

Skill issue really

To be completely fair, it's not strictly speaking a perfect template to just recycle, nor is simple to tweak into what HD2 is. That is mainly coming from the shift from being a top down twinstick shooter to an over the shoulder shooter. That change alters a lot of the necessary design- players aren't tethered together and screenlocked anymore, and aim and elevations are way more of a thing now. This changes a lot about how the weapons have to handle, how enemy spawns happen as well as mob behaviors, how objectives are structured, how enemies even are designed, etc. If anything trying to force HD1 elements into 2 is causing some of the problems we were complaining about in 2. This is just one example but consider backpack weapons just being bad in general outside of the almost perfectly balanced autocannon; and in this context, it's mainly because autocannon has an acceptably fast reload as long as it's not reloading from empty, ie it can ignore the assisted reload mechanic entirely, the user just needs to be able to count. Things are so much more spread out and open, hordes come at you from much wider areas, player blind spots and tunnel vision are stronger- it's no longer practical to expect players to be pack mules for each other's ammo, nor is it even effective to try to 'properly' use most of these weapons as designed because most of the weapons just don't kill things well enough to merit this extra work. This is made even worse when two players trying to drop their gear to swap for a hot second in the heat of the chaos is cumbersome and quite often a death sentence with how little breathing room you get on the higher difficulties, which are mandatory plays to continue upgrading and unlocking stuff. And the balance team doesn't have the sense to even TRY to fix any of this- they don't truly believe in buffing weapons to be stronger and more fun to use, so the tandem weapons will never be worth needing two people to use to their intended efficiency, nor will they even do something as basic as letting players tandem reload one of these weapons from the user's backpack...like why does 2P have to drop their own loadout and their own efficiency to wear 1P's ammo to reload for them and can't just take it from 1P's backpack?

​@gtf234 I'm not saying a 1:1 build from over head view to over the shoulder. But HD1 to HD2 would have easily translated over without all this mess we are in. If they'd have nerfed weapons and then said "hey research points are gunna be a thing. We accidentally released the upgraded version of the weapon. Pls bare with us". We'd have given them a break. But the fact we've seen buffs get nerfed and nerfs stay nerfed and them not being clear with plans with samples tells me future weapon mods are going to be trade off trash and not upgrades like HD1.

They started life in Helldivers 2 as post-patch Hello Games.... and after 6 months have ended up as pre-patch release day Hello Games. Absolutely BIZARRE.

That's a good way to put it. It's a straight up reversing of the situation. They had an easy win on there hands and have done everything in their power to turn it into a loss.

@@SuddenFool classic, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

Fromsoft definitely nerfs ridiculously broken shit, Impenetrable Thorns was completely busted on DLC launch and that got toned down. Cerulean Crystal Tear got the nerf hammer. Powerstanced jump attacks across the board. But the important point is that they leave the less broken shit alone, and there are always viable alternatives. People are still able to one shot the bosses but it requires skill, experience, and preparation.

@@InvaderTroy exactly. they dont allow broken weapons to exist, but just because a weapon/weapon art is incredibly effective, that doesn't mean nerf it

​@InvaderTroy also to be fair, there is always a PVP element to FS games so nerfs are at least justified. AH devs are flat out saying they nerf things because too many people use it which is the most simple and braindead thing to do. Like what's an acceptable number if 30% is too high? You want at least what? 90% of your playerbase, playing a PVE game the way YOU want to when you yourself don't even play past difficulty 4?

@@pickaxattacks1879tell that to rivers a blood users

Souls games have way more build diversity from the player base too because even less picked weapons have the potential to be great with the correct build/setup. Unlike Helldivers 2 where not bringing more ammo stratagems is a death sentence.

the breaker and FT are still great, you just with have 2 less magz with the first(it has literally twice as much ammo per mag then normal breaker) and have to burn Chargers in teh ass to have the same TTK, everything else is literally the same with FT

​@@AlesMicikyou need a whole canister to burn chargers butt and at least 2-3 stuns on only 1 charger lol

​@@AlesMicikI tried to use the breaker but it ran out of ammo so quickly, it was unfun. The damage was decent, but when you're on your last mag after two bug breaches within a minute, something's wrong.

@@polskipolak9073 what? That's not true at all

@@etuanno I'd actually wanna see you play the game.

You're whiny and if you can't play without the broken weapons, you don't know how to play the game.

Seriously, all this is doing is making me want to play Space Marine even more.

@@Darkwater1886 dude everyone will , because it’s a better more badass Helldivers , simple as that and there is pvp as well for whomever wants it so it’s 110% a better game

Helldivers 2 was the only game I bought this year, and I'm really glad I played it on release because it was a lot better than it is now. Space Marine 2 is going to be the second game I buy this year...

The only reason I'm playing helldivers 2 atm is because I'm waiting for space marine 2

@@ssjmonstar dude I stoped playing Helldivers when they did the first wave of nerfs , the game is pointless , weapons suck and enemies don’t die to the sucky weapons

Some light MilSim elements are cool, namely the team-loaded weapons, but yeah they shouldn't lean too hard into it.

I thought that was common sense, I forgot it's not common anymore

its hilarious to see new people complaining when this has been happening pretty much since day 1 patch it went pretty down hill since then

i never realized that there was even an attempt to connotate it to milsims until their Social Media CEO mentioned Arma.. the fkn audacity. I perceived it as an self-ironic, fast-paced game that should adapt more of Diablo features and balancing, especially for leveling. But milsim? dream on AH.

Learn to aim. Hit weak points.

@@hariman7727 Can you just stop? Even if you hit weak points the weapons dont feel fun to play, we want weapons to feel strong! Who cares if enemies die too quick its a fucking pve horde shooter, them taking the fun out of everything should not be excused, stop sucking them off so hard and get a grip on reality.

Lol, no From Sofware does not know how to balance, but that’s part of the fun with those games. Because of the “imperfect meta” where new weapons became stronger, people will flock to them and effectively learn the whole spectrum of weapons over time. Thus you have a somewhat stable situation with two groups: the meta crunchers, and the Fashion Souls users. It’s basically how this game runs. While the 10% of people screaming their heads off on discord and Reddit complain, the rest of the players actively don’t care and just flock to the newest and funnest toys. In this case, it’s the cookout for the bugs, and the bot meta hasn’t really changed other than me seeing more slugger users lately.

​@@JC-eo2qeFrom does a good job at balancing, actually. Especially Elden Ring. Almost all of their patch notes are wildly praised even amongst the content creator base. Hell, whenever a patch is introduced, people flock over to see what new goodies were introduced. Arrowhead can't even grasp that concept.

if i wanted shooty mcbang bang soulslike i'd play remnant 2 oh wait a minute

No they don’t, that’s sort of the point.

@@shadowsketch926 Man remnant 2 is so good

I have 1 premium bp for about 60 hours, tbh i bought about 2-3 armor/helm from the shop. I think 2 non-standart bp's for 9-10 difficulties, on which im currently playing, is kinda small count of utilities to kill things

Revert and buff the weaker guns

And that's just for starters, after the big patch that had some buffs, should have listened to people as to what was brought up to level and what needed alittle more tweaking for improvement, but no its Alexus.

I go back to mourning every time I think about it.

OK, just to be fair - knifes against a charger? It *should* be impossible. That thing is armoured all around, and you have a knife. Not a poisoned, radioactive, vibrating, monomolecular-bladed knife with an internal antimatter charge accelerated by a miniaturised warp drive. Just a plain steel knife.

​@ytgray yet now there is no use for them at all since an impact grenade does more damage and AOE

@@johnathanshade2578 Agreed. Honestly, the knife was simply a stupid idea, especially considering that the alternative are various explosives.

@@ytgray "Just imagine that you are out of bullets and the knife is what miraculously saves you from the last enemy". As if that's something anyone actually WANTS. No one would opt for that on a large scale EVER, of course people will prefer the grenades that either 1) reduce the chances of you being in that situation in the first place, and 2) would still be good in that situation anyway

​@@ytgraymaybe so, but there is pretty much no use for them now barring their massive push back. Way too much of a downside when you can't even take out spawners - armor pen 4 should be a good trade off, but no.

ah yes a fellow blitzer diehard who avoids ammo concerns entirely and suddenly the game is fun again. I too have seen the shocking light.

​@@geronimo5537Ammo bag

@@geronimo5537"game made me use it" situation

AH's response would probably be to throw yourself at the enemy, die, then come back with more ammo. Don't pick the ammo bag cuz then they'll see the higher pic rate, and nerf it

​@@geronimo5537yea, if you need a gun with unlimited ammo to have fun that's a prime example of a glaring problem

There are lots of weapons below 10% pick rate even that they can buff. I think this should be their new mantra, instead of nerfing the most used weapons try and make no weapon rarely used. If no weapon is rarely used and people still use one weapon 30%, then you have my blessings to nerf it a tiny bit.

I bet there are a lot of guns with near 0% pick rate (poopfier, crossbow, diligence, knight, lib conc, lib pen, etc)