@@thatchanguy it takes around 30 seconds for most body cams to record audio after they are initially turned on... they also fall off easily so body cams imo aren’t really that reliable. Being a victim of sexual assault I am inclined to believe most people when they tell me they have gone through similar things but I can also have doubts and can see when certain things don’t add up. I think only some of the victims were telling the truth and I think that (even though I believe the cop to be a rapist) that the way the investigators and court handled the cases was biased and unfair.
Exactly!!! RU-vid doesn’t want ANYONE knowing the real truth about this case!! They don’t want anyone thinking he *might* just be innocent, and got totally railroaded by his own. I’ve watched MANY MANY extremely offensive videos on RU-vid, and this is the very first time I’ve gotten TWO warnings from RU-vid that it may have “inappropriate content” meanwhile they have drag queens and women half naked in all sorts of videos with absolutely no warning!! Makes you wonder why they felt the need to hinder this video lol!! Very bizarre!
It's not warning you "not to watch it", it's confirming with you (the viewer) if you're sure you *want to watch it* due to the graphic content and subject matter involved and considered
RU-vid blanks out PBS HOLOCAUST DOCUMENTARIES EVERY NY CITY SCHOOL KID FROM THE MID 6OS TO THE 2010S HAD TO WATCH - AND FOR EXCELLENT REASONS.... they've started sanitizing HISTORY and RAPE from all documentaries WITH these "content warnings" It is demonstrably the case that confronting and thinking about and GENERAL SOCIETAL AWARENESS of these unpleasantries that's got the best chance of MAKING SURE THEY DON'T HAPPEN AGAIN OR DON'T HAPPEN TO HUMONGOUS CHUNKS OF THE POPULATION! . WHAT THE BLOODY DEVIL IS ANYONE CLICKING ON CRIME DOCUMENTARIES OR HISTORY FILMS ABOUT HUMANITY'S NEVERENDING PARADE OF GENOCIDAL MANIACS GOING TO NEED THAT "CONTENT WARNING" ABOUT?!?! 😂😢. It IS a deterrent and it's making it hard to produce or WATCH FREELY
Likewise. The fact that there were *at least* two other credible suspects in the department just for the incidents involving these thirteen women tells me that there are a lot more women who don't necessarily fit Daniel's profile so they weren't looked up by this investigation, but who were raped by one or another of the police force. Maybe by more than one. Daniel Holtzclaw took the fall for the whole department. I don't think he's entirely innocent -- I just don't see the first two reports as making that possible. The details of MO matching so perfectly when neither of them had remotely heard about the pattern yet makes it impossible for me to disbelieve that they were raped, and by the same guy. And the one which got the department looking at Holtzclaw really couldn't have been done by anyone except him, given the car type and the location, so I'm betting on him for the earlier one also... even though he was acquitted of it due to her getting confused about her place and date. But there are other very credible suspects within the department for many of the other attacks, and they should have been followed up. I think some of them would've been shown, if not to have raped that individual, to have raped *somebody.* Bottom line: this department looks rotten through, and they really should have totally cleaned house instead of just setting up one scapegoat and walking away.
@@bobojenkins2442 We don't know that, one way or the other. But we do know that there were at least two other men on the same police force who were considered credible suspects by those who support Holtzclaw.
This is exactly why ALL cops should have to wear Body Camera's on duty and should be fired IMMEDIATELY for turning them off, turning off GPS, and not calling im any encounters. Men lie, Women lie.... ViDEO DOESN'T!
It sounds like there was a culture of this among officers in this area..I wouldnt be surprised if Holtzman took the fall for the actions of several officers.
@Dft A I agree! But also, two of the women's descriptions more closely matched two other officers...I'm just speculating that this might be a common practice among officers in this area.
I came back to this video today and I agree with you BC. He may have done one or none of them and certainly there are suspicious behaviors like pulling cars over after shift and turning off his GPS, but the discrepancy in descriptions and eagerness of the interrogators to pin it on him raise alarms. I think cops were r@ping these poor women, I’m not sure if it was this guy in particular. He seems like a fall guy for a much larger corruption and abuse of authority issue.
I too seen the trial but none of this evidence, this was most probably the first suspect that was sacked and then the black officer that was arrested later..this is the same as the Compton police gang called EXACUTINERS, I thought that they were the only one, seen another one were the bsnditos, both different stations and both had tattoos ,EXACUTINERS nazi helmet surrounded with flames, the deposition is on utube to watch, any time tattoos brought ip , shut down straight away even though on personal vehicles the sticker of the tattoo, the bandito tattoo is a revolver and a bullet placed in chamber with each shooting and a false gun planted..this is not the same evidence as I seen in the case and trail... I believe that the women were raped but by other cops....ITS VERY VERY SICKENING TO ME.....
@@anon2427 I honestly don't think turning off his GPS and pulling cars over right after is big red flag, considering notifications by the departments shows a lot of the cops doing this, and it seems to me like, he turned it off once his shift was over. I think it's very stupid, but I can understand some people doing this: Shifts up, turning off GPS a similar routine to clocking out. As for pulling people over, I believe it happened right after turning off the GPS on his way back. Again stupid yes, but plausible, considering he was still in his police car and he literally saw something suspiciously, completely plausible he acted out of instinct. I also believe the women were getting SAd and harassed by the police, I just don't think it's him, because the hard evidence doesn't match up. The times, location and DNA/fingerprints don't match up, and when they do match, it's often closer to Daniel's version of events. That's problematic. Eye witness accounts are unfortunately not reliable, as memories are highly malleable. It's not like there haven't been cases of r@pe victims who were able to pick out the assailant multiple times in line up, were 100% sure they have the right person, only to find out years later once DNA tech advanced enough, they in fact did not have the right person.
Did you see the pics of him? He has forehead wrinkles I’d think he’s at least 30s if I just saw him. And you’d think the 13 women who went to court against him would be sure before they’d do that.
@@squidysquid9687 yeah because are always sure. No one ever makes false statements, certainly not when there is a monetary incentive…. Several have no retracted btw
Right?!?! This is *art.* He’s a master of his craft and I am soooo impressed with that he does. Profoundly important content as well. Hope to see much more from him in the future 👏🏻❤️
"worldclass documentary filmmaker" biggest bootlicking bullshit ever ;D you can be impressed without lying or being stupid. maybe look up what filmmaking is
Matt Orchard: Sorry this video took so long. Video: [Is a 2+ hour long documentary that challenged my entire understanding of this case] It's okay dude lol
This is truly one of the greatest and most engaging documentaries I have ever watched in my life, crime related or not, and I've been playing documentaries all day every day of my 60 hour work-weeks for several years now. Thousands, if not tens of thousands of videos. And this is among the top 3. If not the best.
@@benry9250 he watches docs while working probably, I can do that too, but you dont remember much if you really are working...so yeah not sure if op had a day off or something and could only remember this one doc 🤣
@@robbobbrah8953 bro he never sweared to push out a video a month, did he? I mean I'd be annoyed to as well, but man, you act like he HAS to do it. Giving your money to content creators with platforms like patreon or kickstarter it means you're doing it more out of trust and respect than anything. It's not a transaction, exactly.
The only verdict I'll make is that the Oklahoma City Police Department is guilty of the majority of these crimes. Holtzclaw was either part of it, or a scapegoat for them.
@@awdrpepper I think that we're all aware that this is indeed a most likely possibility and after witnessing the police methods I believe probable... Its an incredibly harsh sentence whatever leaving aside the purjury aspect.
@@DaveSCameron I am glad you accept the possibility that the majority are false allegations, however I am not sure that most people reviewing this case are of the same mindset. Skimming through the comments section (and specifically the original commentor) it appears that people believe the majority of complaints are legitimate accounts of assaults committed by police officers, but have been falsely and conveniently attributed to (ex)Officer Holtzclaw. But perhaps, I have misread the tone of the comment section. I have been following this case for quite some time, and was rather perturbed by the lack of humanity/empathy afforded to Holtzclaw. But it is good to see creators reviewing the case through a more critical lense.
I feel bad just watching this to be entertained. I feel like we have to do something about this. I know his family is trying to help him, and obviously there are documentaries which follow the details, but I feel like something more can be done
The detectives who led the investigation are the corrupt ones. arrogant and biased. And ignorant of logic. Listen to the following links: vocaroo.com/2bSE2x2HEl4 vocaroo.com/hu85FSisYzP vocaroo.com/98CxammmlDf ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c5CVhzeZ1ww.html 0:49 to 1:10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qjfDUw8wezQ.html [Shardaryeon Hill accused Holtzclaw of raping her in a hospital bed. Does that sound like a rape victim or a woman who had just been informed of a "bad man" and is going along with the detective?] My conclusion from observing the above evidence: The detectives searched out and called these accusers letting them know beforehand, along the lines of "hi we believe you may have recently been a victim of sexual contact by a policeman. we are investigating and could use your help." They are FISHING for victims. They are throwing these criminals some bait, all they have to do is bite. There was a large number of false accusers discovered. There surely is a correlation to criminals and a proclivity to lying. And this begs the question, were the accusers used in the trial false accusers? And these detectives ignored discrepancies in evidence (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lvpPNTWX4uE.html) which allows false accusers to slip by. The detectives are the ignorant criminals of this case, unbeknownst to themselves and most people observing the case. And THEY are the ones whom should be in jail.
The fact there's another cop that was caught paying a prostitute for oral in his police car is just damn crazy that no one else was looked at other than Daniel. Daniel took the fall for one or several others and they made sure to put him away for good...
this video is bad honestly. to make a relatable comparison, imagine if you watched a video where the first half claims witches are real, witchcraft is real, and it makes evidence claims of how people made other people sick, crazy, die, make plagues, etc. and then the latter half of the video claims witches are not real, witchcraft is not real. the problem is this video and the example i gave are not using scientific approach to basing claims. and its also putting a baseless claim on a pedestal as if it has actual merit theres a lot more to these detectives. you need to listen to their leading questions in interviews. they are fucking guiding these criminals. holtzclaw did nothing. NOTHING. THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE THAT EVER PROVES IT.
The detectives who led the investigation are the corrupt ones. arrogant and biased. And ignorant of logic. Listen to the following links: vocaroo.com/2bSE2x2HEl4 vocaroo.com/hu85FSisYzP vocaroo.com/98CxammmlDf ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-c5CVhzeZ1ww.html 0:49 to 1:10 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qjfDUw8wezQ.html [Shardaryeon Hill accused Holtzclaw of raping her in a hospital bed. Does that sound like a rape victim or a woman who had just been informed of a "bad man" and is going along with the detective?] My conclusion from observing the above evidence: The detectives searched out and called these accusers letting them know beforehand, along the lines of "hi we believe you may have recently been a victim of sexual contact by a policeman. we are investigating and could use your help." They are FISHING for victims. They are throwing these criminals some bait, all they have to do is bite. There was a large number of false accusers discovered. There surely is a correlation to criminals and a proclivity to lying. And this begs the question, were the accusers used in the trial false accusers? And these detectives ignored discrepancies in evidence (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lvpPNTWX4uE.html) which allows false accusers to slip by. The detectives are the ignorant criminals of this case, unbeknownst to themselves and most people observing the case. And THEY are the ones whom should be in jail.
@@shakovskanton3540 the 1st half his called "The Prosecution" and 2nd half "The Defense" even for a simple mind those titles should explain why he made the video this way. Not complicated buddy :)
@@firstnamelastname8790 you failed to understand the argument. it doesnt matter that its the prosecution's claims. if it was an hour long segment claiming the world was flat, plenty of people watching the video would start to fall for that bullshit narrative, just the way people watching this video did. its not well thought to make an hour long segment that makes baseless claims, whatever they may be, about any topic. and a lot of people watching this video do not have the critical thinking skills to be aware that these claims are unsupported and should be questioned for their validity
I’m so annoyed with those detectives “do you like to do it in the hu ha?” Cmon you are an adult why aren’t you calling it by it’s name! It sounds so weird…
The girl saying "even if he didn't rape anyone..." shows that these guys were trying to get Holtzclaw in jail any way they could. Probably quickly before it became apparent that several women remembering him as shorter, tanned or outright black meant that there were more officers in on this
@@lucifox8506 I'm not saying he isn't guilty buddy, I'm saying they probably threw a bunch of crimes that were probably perpetrated by other cops along with the ones that he did commit so the whole police looked a little better
@@lucifox8506just curious, did you finish the video or just watch the first half? Because if you watched the whole thing and genuinely believe that, I sincerely hope you don’t have children and cannot vote.
It basically sounds like there were multiple officers committing sexual crimes, and the profile similarities owe to them sharing notes on how to get away with abusing their power. Investigators didn't want a narrative of rampant institutionalized rape on the force, but one of a single evil officer it could all be pinned on to protect the larger department.
Agreed, I couldn't get over all of the differences in descriptions given of the offender. Every angle feels like a conspiracy, from the officers assaulting people to the department trying to scapegoat away a massive scandal.
@@ycart3285 Largely unrelated to the case, victim and eyewitness testimony are infamously useless. Show thirty people security camera footage from a drive-by shooting in the 90s and you'll get twenty or so *very* different accounts of what happened in that clip, from physical descriptions of suspects, bystanders, and victims; clear over to the general shape and color of the vehicle and/or weapon. That's also why a man can stick a Ruger Mini-14 rifle in someone's face (which most closely resembles a Kalashnikov, of the 'famous' weapons, due to its all-wood furniture and extended magazine) and have it get reported to police as an AR-15, which is a completely and dramatically different weapon; as happened in the area I live in a couple years ago. Humans are tremendously bad at remembering what one would tend to consider absolutely critical details of life-altering (or life-threatening) events unless they've had considerable special training to counter the degree to which they naturally suck at it.
There are stories of people in smaller towns with similar muggings that then mirror police arrest wounds, and it goes to reason the police likely run some "training" by mugging people to better fight in the moment (or rather, better lose control and vent out the frustrations of life directly into the bones of victims that happen to have committed a crime) American police are a gang.
the closing notes asking the audience to question what they have watched VS allowing the framing to paint a narrative is one of the most refreshing things on youtube rn. Thank you for not painting one color despite the template layed out by all parties
its not very fair tho. how would you feel if he made a video that covers reasons the "witches" should have been hanged in salem, versus reasons they were clearly innocent? is it good to give a platform to delusion?
This seems like a huge failure on the part of Holdsclaw’s legal team. You were clearly able to show VERY reasonable doubt in this case, so it blows my mind his legal team couldn’t do the same.
I'm in no position to say guilty or not, but what does come across here is that he's easily led. One possible scenario is that he's been drawn into the locker room culture of this particular PD, and has in fact done something he shouldn't, but nothing like on the scale that's being suggested, and that he is taking the rap for a lot of other people.
@@splinterbyrd That’s possible too. I could see him being the meek follower/“go with the flow” kind of guy. Probably was insecure growing up, even tho he was big and decent looking, and a good football player to boot. I knew guys exactly like that in high school.
@@Updogg3000 Agreed, or perhaps rather than insecure growing up, with his loving family and really no problems at all, he was somewhat over-protected. Then out in the real world of harsh stressful urban policing things were suddenly very different. There are two things people don't get about stress and depression; 1st is that you can be experiencing both without realising it. 2ndly, depression + stress also distort, like a temporary personality disorder. It alters the subject's worldview. So they can start thinking and feeling strange things they wouldn't normally feel, and you can only think what you can think. Ironically, it's often fit healthy happy young guys who are most at risk. We see this with young servicemen; they're very extrovert confident and healthy and always have been, never had a day's depression in their life. Then they go to war, see all sorts of awful things no one should ever see, and come home full of emotions they've just never felt before and that they think are real. So they start doing strange things; drugs, alcoholism, violence including rape (which is an act of violence) and too often killing themselves
@@BrokensoulRider idk what kind of friends you've got but usualy me and the buds have something less horny and weird things to talk about? Like our regular lives? I've never seen this behavior as normal idk whats up with some people.
Absolutely. There was definitely some fuckery afoot whether Holtzclaw is guilty or innocent of anything. Whatever the case, they REALLY wanted to pin everything on him from the start. I obviously don't know if he's guilty, but, the investigation was MAD sketchy. Really goes to show that how you present a story is everything. In the first half I was almost 100% convinced he was guilty of everything.
The standard of research and intelligent analysis on this channel is astounding. I just got here and am utterly astounded by the quality. This particular video was mind blowing and brilliant. Wow. Just wow.
Det Kim Davis was really out here cold calling women like “Assaulted by Daniel say huh?” Random woman: huh? Det Davis: great you’re our new star witness Random woman: HUH? Det Davis: whoa whoa slow down, save some for court.
You’re a fool. A complete fool. The evidence they collected is overwhelming and cooperated by all the other evidence. No matter how much you idiots CLAIM these detectives did shit like that doesn’t change the fact that they did a solid investigation and got a conviction of 200 plus years on a nasty rapist.
@@Jiu-Jitsu-Robot LoL breathe buddy, no one said he wasn’t guilty, I said the detective was weird about her approach collecting evidence. Two things can be true at the same time.
if you actually bother to look into this case (this is a good introductory video, but it lacks the hard evidence) and do a cross reference analysis of the data and testimony, it becomes pretty clear what actually happened. and the line of best fit points to a narrative of two bumbling detectives and a bunch of lying criminals who were led along by these 2 detectives
@@oliverquach9614 My theory: Holtzclaw was the fall guy for the entire department. Instead of going after every officer involved in the rampant abuse, they put all the blame on one guy so they can claim they’ve cut out the bad apple and that there was never a problem with the department’s culture.
I have to commend you Matt for making such a difficult video in the most neutral and objective way possible. I saw that you were getting heat on reddit a few months back for this video and that absolutely shocked me. I don’t think this video could have been made any better than you did. You deserve all the credit in the world - keep up the good work!
Oh are you talking about the people who didn't even watch it and instead decided to comb through my comment history to find something to take ridiculously out of context to imply I was racist, lol! That was honestly the most outrageous online exchange I think I've ever had!
@@Maxmaxmax63 If you even hint at going against the Reddit hivemind (which is often and usually extremely tribal, politically) they'll come up with anything and everything to not watch or otherwise interact with anything/anyone they've declared as from "the other."
The only thing I can see being controversial is the beginning of the video and using footage from recent events. I personally wasn't a fan considering that the events following Floyd's death lead to billions in damages and more to those that were completely innocent and painting police in such a negative light in their handling of it. Though I suppose that was intentional to influence me for the following portions of the video.
He probably didn't do anything at all. But it suited the city to sentence him for 270 years for the optics. There might well be an absolutely massive civil case if Holtzclaw appeals successfully because this case was handled appallingly badly. If he did indeed commit those crimes, the police and prosecution have jeopardised the safety of the conviction. There's a high likelihood that the actual perpetrator(s) is still out there, a little more careful, but still abusing.
It was honestly hard to watch. And yeah so creepy. I guess in theory I understand what they were doing, but it was so poorly executed, and when Holtzclaw doesn’t take the bait, they just keep doing it and doing it. Weird.
This is definitely the first investigative interview footage I've seen where the detectives' methodology involved sexually harassing the suspect for......some reason. Even if he is guilty, and the gods know it sounds like he was doing some stuff he probably shouldn't have been, regardless, the constant sexual comments and everything are disquieting, unprofessional, and frankly disgusting.
It's pure incompetence. The US police force needs major reforms ASAP. That whole segment was torturous to watch. I can't believe there are actually cops out there that use this method of interrogation.
I feel like matt is far more "true crime" like. JCS painstakingly deconstructs interviews of suspects, while matt tells the whole story and all aspects of it.
I just reached the halfway point in the video ( 1:04:00 ) and wow man I’m loving this. Yes it’s a JCS “imitation” style video but this is amazing I hope that you keep going I’m already a massive fan. I know you didn’t want to continue doing this but I really hope that you reconsider. You have some serious talent and I think people will see you more than just a generic knock off of JCS because you have a lot to offer. Thanks again for this content I love the long videos. PLEASE keep this up!!
Crimesy you obviously have reading comprehension problems. I used that term because he himself said it’s a JCS style video. I let him know that yes, it may be in the same style but this video was amazing and I hoped he kept up with it. Learn how to read buddy because you took that wrong.
its the current year I agree, as the saying goes, imitation is the most sincere form of flattery. Yes it is in the same style of JCS, but Matt obviously is very knowledgeable about these type of situations and does his research. He brings a lot to the table IMO
@@dewilew2137 Exactly! I never turned off a work computer for any job, or even the computers in school. That takes extra effort, no doubt, closing and opening the right programs, and so forth, and so on, and waiting. Yet, almost like clockwork, just as things get sus with not-my-man Dan, and facts and time don't align, his policing equipment goes off when some of his more personal equipment / Allegedly / gets out there to mingle among the civilians in the most egregious, sinister, kniving, and terrifying forms of disrespect and humiliation and abuse for a vested authority having taken an oath for professional civil service. To serve and to protect (himself). // The oath of a damn narcissist body builder community cop nightshift snake eyed predator decked out in full law enforcer uniform, chasing down people in a too-fast, too-furious "cruiser" with red and blue flashing, pulsating lights, piercing siren, scratchy megaphone, and a roaming search light. Ladies, this is not the prom squad stud anymore. Instead, it's the jock wanna-be pro star, and Homecoming king, which is and was all fine for a time, but he wanted more, a lot more, and became rogue in his later years. His accomplishments in school just were not enough because unlike the majority of high school and college athletes, the "game" was all about him, his "game," on field, and off, not teamwork, just how he worked the team, no pass, just that ass and tackle, win after win. His #1 rule: all about me. On the Atlanta police force, a long festered deviant power trip paved the city streets demanding payback. The women of the deprived world still owed him some distorted ill-sought meniacal respect or civilian retribution of sorts, with the requisite calculus known only to a covert ops power trippin' police officer serial sx criminal offender gang unit spike head night patrol troll with brass knuckles, two loaded guns, candy bar wrappers, and the Justin Timberlake CD as a cover. His secret? He likes to play the cop and the robber, pick you up, bait and tackle, lose, abuse, and confuse, but bring you back home, "so you're safe." Facebook messages and FWB, hi's and drive-by's, are fine, too, now that, well, both of you have "met," however casually-intimately-abusively, and regardless of your newly acquired PTSD and anything else he may have brought or wrought. Rest well. Justice is served to the extent we can in a semi civilized society: he is safe and alive to this day in a special protected unit of the prison. He declares his innocence despite his present circumstances and state of incarceration. Several appeals, including to the US Supreme Court, a motion for retrial, and attempts for parole, have all been unsuccessful. The so-called "Court of Public Opinion" has expressed mixed views even though the defendant afforded a private trial lawyer AND private investigator, and the trial jury's decision was unanimous, and the plantiffs' civil cases have ruled in their favor.
@dewilew2137 Did you not watch the video? Turning off GPS in Oklahoma City as a police officer was wide spread and warranted a formal memo sent out across the entire police department. At most its circumstantial in the case against him. At worst the fact people are using it as proof he's guilty shows you just how little people have to go off of and how weak the case is overall.
I remember one time my partner telling me I completely pushed him and told him "go away" when he came in to bed and just wanted a hug. I was sleeping, I literally had NO memory of it, I was shocked!
Hahaha Anyways, I cried so much at some points of this, I can't believe I thought he was an amazing detective person. I fought my initial intuition when I saw his innocent behavior while being interrogated. After this, I went on RU-vid on the sentencing video uploaded by Ocklahoma and mind you nobody knows all this stuff.
@@JohnDoe-vr3ey he's referring to the part where the GF said she never had sex with him though he claimed they fooled around. Basically insinuating that maybe the gf doesn't know wtf she's talking about because buddy was getting it in while she was asleep.
The only thing to consider in this whole case is: is there a reasonable doubt of Holtzclaw's guilt? The answer is yes, for every single charge. No way he should have been convicted. Even IF he is not innocent, he is definitely not guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
Captivating. Holy fucking shit. My perception was completely altered by the end of it. You sir have the treasured talent of story telling and I applaud you.
@Kimm West I was merely saying I saw a new side of a familiar case. I honestly don’t know what to think or what the true story is, I don’t think anyone does! I just thought it was an interesting take is all 🤷🏼♀️ it was a very well done video with a lot of thought put into it.
@Kimm West people believe what they want to believe based on what fits their narrative best. It’s great to question everything and not believe what you’re told based off facts you’re force fed! I agree with you about keeping us distracted, there’s a reason almost everyone is addicted to technology and social media.
@@aotphixion I love them both. I would say the biggest difference for me is Jim's knowledge of psychology. Terms that he uses and his knowledge of police techniques. That being said, this is top notch work.
The best independent crime video I’ve ever seen on RU-vid. So glad you showed up in my recommendations. As far as the case goes I think it’s beyond clear there is reasonable doubt.
One key point that stands out in the interrogation is how willing Holtzclaw is to see the "evidence" (video and DNA) the officers tell him is so heavily against him. When he shows his willingness to use those to clear his name, the officers hesitate and scramble to reclaim their place in the argument, because they both know the intended person of scaring a guilty suspect with mock evidence against them has backfired on an innocent guy trying to clear his name easily to show he has nothing to hide.
They only moved forward with some of cases based on his logs. Some cases were never prosecuted due to not being able to confirm them with his logs. This case was really made on circumstantial evidence and theories to help the jury get into mindset of the perpetrator. If he remained in constant communication that would of aided his case to prove his innocence.
That part actually made me think of how badly Jodi Arias wanted to see the evidence against her, so I guess I could not disagree more Edit: I especially don't believe she wanted to see those photos because it was going to "clear her name"
@@sigiled636 but i think she wanted to see the evidence they had agaisnt her because she wanted to craft her story around it and not tell them anything incriminating about herself that they didn't already know
Holtzclaw and his attorneys will have access to all the evidence the prosecutor has during the discovery/disclosure phase, nobody is clamouring to hide anything. Good cops HATE people like Holtzclaw, he is an absolute disgrace to all police nationwide.
They ask him a really good question, "What if she was drunk?" Why pull her over for DUI if you never had any intention of locking her up in the first place?
Power could be an answer, seeing someone drive bad makes at least half of drivers angry, if they all had the power to pull the bad driver over and vent their road rage they probably would.
However, if she was extremely drunk, perhaps he would have taken further action. ?? Also, according to the analysis given in this vid, the car windows were so dark that it would have been impossible to see who was driving, or in the car. He said there was a swerve, which isn't a very clear depiction (I find that people use that term to mean lots of things; I would have liked a more detailed description of what he meant by this).
Wtf is a “hoo-haw”?! This lady detective is getting on my nerves. 🙄 Daniel is the one being accused and interrogated by “sex crimes detectives” and is the only person in the room using anatomically correct language.
I agree that she was using the unprofessional verbiage to get him to lower his guard. All cops use tactics like that to try and get to the truth. But in this instance I don’t believe she was using those words to get to the actual truth. She 100% went in there fully believing he was guilty. She was using those tactics to try and lower his guard in hopes he would slip up. To me it’s 100% clear what her assumptions and intentions were. She even admitted in a media interview that she went in that room with the intention of sending him to prison. You would think an investigator would always want to get to the truth no matter who the suspect was. But to me I feel like they would work even harder to uncover the truth when the accused is one of their own. Once she made her mind up that he was guilty she turned into an advocate for the victim instead of doing her job as an investigator to uncover the truth. She was intentionally allowing him to believe they were on his side when really they were building a case against him. A case that was solely based off the lead investigators “gut instinct” instead of forensic evidence. When I first heard about this case and watched the first documentary I saw about him I completely thought he was guilty. I was so convinced he did it that when I saw him breaking down when the verdict was read I laughed. But yesterday I saw a clip from the doc on tiktok, so I decided to watch it again. As well as the videos that are in his favor. And that’s when I started questioning his guilt. The videos from his supporters seemed to have real proof that things were handled so incredibly wrong by the investigators in this story. Their shitty police work allowed the investigation to have a lot of holes that probably wouldn’t have been there had they not been so bias.
And I really believe that the male investigator heard they were investigating a possible rape by a cop and just automatically decided it was the guy he was looking for in the sexual assault case he was already working. It seemed like he was coming up empty in his own investigation and Daniel offered him a way to close that case.
Whether you use "anatomically correct language" or not doesn't mean shit in a setting like police interrogation. It says more about you than anything else that you got irritated by a word used like that, considering that that was probably the least irritating part of this 2 hour video.
Corruption probably runs deep, and they did everything they could to find 1 man responsible for all this... Sickening to watch, I hope his soul can find peace at least... And the liars behind this writhe with guilt at night.
@@Kings_Crossing If there are liars who got this man sent to jail in their place, they have no remorse and are probably relieved they didn't get caught.
@@kdizzle901 How? He admitted to being there and doing the stop. Regardless, that one is the most damning one for him. All the others seem very weak. He also either had his computer/GPS on or called in the stop for all of the other ones. Why, after allegedly getting away with victimizing at least 12 other women while being tracked, would he suddenly feel the need to protect himself this time? Don’t people like this usually get more bold with time? And why did he go from full-blown sex with many of the others to sticking his genitals in someone’s face for a few seconds? The Ligons one seems to be the strongest case by far. Not sure about the others as they don’t fit an intuitive criminal timeline.
This is a PERFECT example of police officers/detectives being able to articulate a man right into prison for life. The detective interviews that were not recorded should be discarded as credible evidence.
After watching a bunch of these interrogation videos, I've learned that cops are the enemy of the innocent and the guilty alike. I've seen a bunch of different ones where the detectives flat out ignore the request for council, and completely ignore them invoking their right to silence. I counted 8 separate requests for an attorney in one of the videos, the cops ignored it, and yet it was still admissible in court.
@@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641 The only one I've seen where police pressed a defendant to keep talking after invoking the right to remain silent was the Sorella case. But I don't doubt it happens a lot.
@An Anthropomorphic Talking Gourd Yeah, youre right. Heres how they do it - So the courts have ruled saying "I think I need a lawyer" or similar phrasing that doesnt flat out state it doesnt actually count as requesting a lawyer, and they can keep interrogating. They also ruled that the cops have to stop the interview when that statement is made but if the suspect says *anything* further thats considering wanting to continue and the interview can go on. I was told the best thing to do is say "I am invoking my right to remain silent and am requesting a lawyer right now." Then dont say anything at all. The cops might start chatting with each other, talk about how long youre going to jail, how much of a guilty POS you are, whatever, trying to get you to speak. Ignore them. If they directly address you, repeat the phrase and say nothing else.
Also, in canada, you *dont* have the right to council present. You can request a consultation with council (who will tell you to refuse to answer anything no matter what), but they can keep asking questions. You have the right to say I refuse to answer, but they have the right to keep up the questions. And they are *really* good at getting people to talk by being chill and innocuous, some of the best investigators in the world are in ontario. Its actually amazing to watch. So, if you're in canada, the best thing to do is say I refuse to answer no matter what they ask. If you answer *anything* they are going to think they can get you to talk. So even if its something silly like "whats your favorite color" you respond "On the advice of council, I am not answering any questions" until they stop.
@@childofcascadia that reminds me of a court case involving a request for an attorney. The suspect was speaking in slang and said "I'm done talking, so you need to get me a lawyer, dog". The cops ignored his request, later claiming that they thought he had asked for a lawyer dog, like a canine that practices law. The judge was furious about it thankfully, but that's the kind of crap they pull.
Melting Mischief i’m a patreon of JCS and he hasn’t posted anything since May, so frustrating because months ago he said he was moving to patreon because yt was suppressing him.. think something else is really going on
@@alexisluxe1403 yes he said that the amount of money it was costing him to stream his videos on Patreon was ridiculously expensive so it was basically a wash out. I felt so bad for him
My very last class to finish my degree was a conflict management course (it finished my credits for communication). A moment that will stick with me forever is when we were asked to look at an image of adults sitting around a table all looking at their phones and to write down what we concluded from it. I was the only student to suggest that we can only say "this is a group of adult sitting around a table on their phones". The rest of the classed suggested they were ignoring each other, or distracted. Without sitting down and consulting the people in the image we can't know if they're family or friends, playing a game together or ignoring each other, finishing dinner or starting dinner, etc etc. In this case so many pieces of evidence were ignored, not collected, edited, created, and so on its absurd. But that behavior started because there was a bad assumption and weird goal from the get go. They heard hooves and wanted to see a zebra rather than admitting horses are more likely. We won't know what happened because it wasn't properly investigated.
It's literally an admission of guilt really She is openly admitting that she doesn't know if he did or not when she is supposedly one of his victims SHE needs to be thrown in jail and it's insane she wasn't given that blatant admission of guilt about lying to police
Yeah. They're racist black people who love whites and Asians getting thrown in prison even when knowingly innocent. And they love playing a part in the verdict and stealing some free money from the state
@@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641 im pushing a political agenda? sounds like you've made a biased and illogical assessment. explain why my comment is apparently politically motivated?
@@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641 furthermore, "Stop spamming that post." except this is literally what happened with BLM for example. BLM was spammed and its irrational unfounded perspective of reality was imprinted on the masses but if you're spamming truth, such as "2 + 3x = 14; therefore x = 4" then that is fine. spam all the truth you want. but once you start spamming lies, fuck off
@@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641 im not pushing a political agenda. its simply the truth. and clearly whatever the truth is, it goes against your own personal agenda. this is like when scientists discovered the age of the earth or proved evolution and then all the religious losers react like you. stop pushing your political agenda scientists!
Sounds like Oklahoma didn't want to make the case about snuffing out a toxic rape culture in their police force and needed a scapegoat to pin it on. Truly more disgusting than the idea of 1 serial rapist, because it's institutional. Not to say ALL the women were honest, but a few sounded like they deserve legit follow-ups.
@@billsmafia2453 hey, I'm also from the 716. Anyways, I bet that commenter just hates cops. I moved to a really progressive city and most people hate cops here.
Wow. I knew OF this case, but NONE of the other details on the defense’s side. Thank you for shining a light on different perspectives, superb analysis and narration and critical thinking.
this is probably the best researched and written case study i've ever watched on youtube. seriously. you have such a talent for setting the viewer up to feel one way and then showing not only why you did it but *how* and why it's important that we know how and why it happens in other scenarios. idk if this makes any sense. i love your channel. this video was incredible. if journalism was still a lucrative career you could win one of those journalism awards i think they have.
I haven't seen this level of production quality in such a long time on this platform, and my god must I say it is so refreshing and a privilege to see such high-quality work like this published online for free for anyone to watch. Thank you so much Matt for this, I enjoyed every second. Please don't stop this content!! :)
Tried *this is MONSTERS* , *Strange Land* , *Explore With Us* , or *That Chapter* ? Have plenty quality channels like this to recommend if ya want. ✌😉🍻
@@IAmKlagg Lol, ok. To each their own. Don't know why you'd think that given they cover cases that are verifiable like every other TC channel, but you do you I guess. ✌😉
The way you conclude it comes down to your world view is exactly right in my case. I can't stop going back and forth. Please make more docs. This was so good and fair
How do you broach the question in this setting? Just ask the question. Who knows if she actually grooms down there? It could be a lie. And who cares anyways, she got the answer.
Holy shit. I remember seeing a clip of his sentencing years ago and having that visceral “yes! Glad they got this asshole” reaction. After watching this, I am stunned at what I didn’t know. I think that there were other cops involved in this kind of behavior and because Daniel turned his gps off that night he was the perfect fall guy to pin it on. I think the Oklahoma City PD saw a way to avoid a damning internal investigation that would expose a culture of this so they cooked up evidence to make everything work for the prosecution. I would even go as far as to say that the judge was in on it. The way the evidence was presented was a disgrace.
Me too. I went down a rabbit hole after his sentencing when I read a compelling article stating it was a set up. That I was so quick to believe the DA is not surprising because it looked so cut and dry… now I believe he may very well be innocent.
@@scheezy the Jury, judge heard all the relevant testimony and evidence. Found him guilty. If one doesn’t like how the law works they shouldn’t be a cop. Tough
Wow. I mean, if Daniel had the ability to get the supposed hospital rape victim to slow her heart rate and her breathing DURING A RAPE, wtf is he doing working as a police officer? He should be giving courses on how to pass a polygraph! Nope, that "testimony" completely blew it for me, because there's no way that happened. And, btw, where tf was his attorney when that little gem was spewed??
I would not at all be surprised if this was some police union attorney who was pressured into throwing the case much like the victims were pressured into false accusations. But obviously that's something most people can't afford to look into or discuss, as potentially libelling a lawyer (no matter how incompetent they may be) tends to end poorly.
To me, the fact that he was described as 5’10 and in his 40s is so odd. There’s no way someone can look at him and think he’s any older than early 30s. And when you see someone who is 6’2, you will not mistake them for being 5’10. Idk. It’s just so odd
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Hard to find someone innocent nowadays when there's an angry mob outside every courtroom where the victim of said crime is a black person. They don't put in the effort to protect jurors on purpose.
This had me torn by the end. In the first half I was crying for the victims and by the second half questioning all of my life choices. Cannot overstate how well this documentary was done. Personally I can't decide whether he was guilty or innocent but I do believe some of these women were sexually assaulted.
I think it seems like there were way more cops doing this then initially thought but they zeroed in on him and made him take the blame for most of them. I do think he sexually assaulted the grandma in the beginning cause her case was ironclad but the other girls it’s becomes less and less likely it was him and not some other colleagues
@@debodatta7398 how was it ironclad? There was no evidence of rape other then just some drug addict saying so. She was literally beating up some dude trying to help her get home. For sure she was driving crazy probably on drugs and got mad that he pulled her over. From there they just threw everything else at him. I honestly don’t think he rape her.
I agree. Seeing him cry at the end is so difficult to watch. I feel so bad for him, incredible swing of feelings, but I don’t know if he’s fully innocent either. Why weren’t other officers even questioned?????
"Do you groom?" "I groom, yes." "So do I." Awkward... EDIT: I should have waited to finish the video - those two detectives certainly belong together...
Nah. He didn’t learn that on the job. He was born a rapist. The job facilitated it for him to do it without getting caught for so long. Just because a cop got caught being a rapist doesn’t mean the job teaches that, nor does it mean the other cops are rapists, nor does it mean the academy teaches cops to be rapists. Stop with the all police officers are bad narrative.
He may not have learned it on the job, but the job ALLOWS this sort of power complex. Partial blame has to be given to the actual job because of the god complex and power dynamics that are fed to a lot of officers. No not all cops are bad people, but the system itself is flawed, hence ACAB (all cops are bastards) because they work under a bastardized system.
@@1dismine12345 There are power imbalances in all professions and there are rapists in every line of work. American law enforcement operates more or less like every other country's law enforcement. Of course it's flawed, but there is no alternative system. We actually have one of the better ones in terms of rights given to the accused. Minor changes to policing should be considered. The radical ideas of the ACAB crowd, like abolishing prisons and sending social workers to domestic disputes, are idiotic. Thankfully most of America has the common sense to reject it. Ironically, the behavior of the people who scream ACAB is demonstrating how important our police are. When they're told to stand down by politicians, there is more chaos and violence. Keep at it and you'll just get tougher policing. Maybe not in cities like Portland that are so far left that they'd sacrifice their own safety to appear down with the cause, but in the rest of the country. The left's answer to everything that has problems is to dismantle it. Policing, capitalism, the military, border enforcement. It's childish and unserious. The use of 'bastards' is also ironic because many in the anti-cop movement and criminals in general are the way they are because they didn't have a father, so they're the bastards not the cops.
@@ralphlevel7937 there are alternate systems. your guys system sucks, because of how low the bar of entry is. almost anyone can be an officer. In canada, for example, its a four year university degree, In Ireland gardai take two years, and its the same for most nations. your police force sucks.
I feel sick to my stomach. Thank you for making this incredible video. It’s changed my entire perspective not only on this case, but also all other cases that I so easily jump to conclusions on without all of the facts, or at least questioning the facts. You are amazing. Please continue making more videos!
@@captnpoosy2253 not even a little, brotato. You're commenting on a fucking rape story with a gross ass name. Maybe take rape a little more seriously? You're either 13 and need to grow up or even more terrifyingly an adult ass man who should know better.
I am a rape survivor. I am politically a liberal Democrat. I also believe he is innocent. Period. I believe he may have taken the fall for some other (possibly better connected) officers, in the cases that an assault or rape did occur. I also believe that some of the women were pushed into their testimonies, whether it was out of self preservation, a terrible investigative team or otherwise. I truly believe this will be one of those cases that will *eventually* be looked at again, with more and more shadiness on the side of the prosecution being shown. I hope that he is one day able to prove his innocence and be free.
There is NO way he’s guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. 200 years for that? I’m in utter shock. Watching him break down hearing the verdict fucked me up.
My head isn’t spun by any content on RU-vid anymore lately .. your videos truly make my head spin and give me so much more insight in cases I thought I had pegged 100%… congrats man youre the best in the game right now truly amazing content and research
@@adz1011 I can understand that. Asking uncomfortable questions to get a reaction out of someone but the manner they're going about it giggling and joking with them seems odd to me. I guess that could be a form of rapport development
Well they were questioning a man about sticking his dick in a 60 year old woman’s mouth on the side of the road on a traffic stop. Did you expect them to be treating it like Sunday school?
A rug was pulled from under me. Everything I thought I knew... None of it was as solid as I thought. I see Daniel in a new light. My heart goes out to his family.
Sounds like they decided he’d take one for the team, in my opinion. I’m sure this was more politics and optics than actual justice for this man. After viewing this video I feel as though he should have an appeal- without question.
The more I read about it, the more I think this guy has been made a scapegoat. They railroaded him. He either knows something and they put him away to discredit him and shut him up. Or, they needed a white dude to go to prison.
This guy needs a retrial. There is too much doubt surrounding pretty much every aspect of this case for there to be any kind of conviction. It feels like a modern version of the West Memphis 3 but with fears over race riots instead of religious hysteria. That aside, this is easily one of the best documentaries on this platform. Presenting both sides of a complex issue generally unbiased while maintaining a cohesive flow of events that are easy to understand even when jumping backward in the timeline. Be proud of this one, dude.
Each case should almost be separated. The biggest factor heart is that there were so many but when you separate them i don't think any would hold up in criminal court. And i HATE police in general but i value the truth and justice.
@Kimm West Yeah I can totally see that being the case as well. That's what makes this case so insane to me. I can SO clearly see two different truths here. I wouldn't call myself gullible, just questioning the integrity and the validity of every statement and everyone involved. A sound and smart human doesn't jump to any conclusion and we all know how shitty interrogation tactics can be.
if you actually bother to look into this case (this is a good introductory video, but it lacks the hard evidence) and do a cross reference analysis of the data and testimony, it becomes pretty clear what actually happened. and the line of best fit points to a narrative of two bumbling detectives and a bunch of lying criminals who were led along by these 2 detectives
@@GlizzyWorld how would you feel about a video like this, same format where it presents both sides as valid when giving their respective arguments and it were about the notion of gravity, or witchcraft, or flat earth. we have a video giving the implication gravity isnt real. a video suggesting witchcraft is real or that we live on a flat earth. its equally akin to me describing our origins are made from a giant man sitting on a giant cosmic toilet taking a dump, letting the water swirl in cosmic chaos to create everything we know. This video is in a format where it presents the preposterous as if its a valid view point. And at the end of the video, its stating you only have certain choices to believe. and that you must take a jump in order to believe them. *****i dont have to take a fucking jump to dismiss illogical illiteracy**** this video doesnt address critical thinking skills.
The idea that he alone clearly had the blame placed upon him on what was likely a problem with the entire police department not being mentioned at all in this video confuses me. Whether or not he did it, it's obvious they were really adamant in pinning the blame on him in order to protect the organization. They really didn't want to look into it further and risk having to actually deal with a systematic issue. They just took the one who was most convenient rather than doing the bare minimum of looking into multiple people and trying to find out what actually did happen.
This!! I love this page and this video was extremely well done, but this part could have been addressed more extensively as a third option. He definitely got scapegoated for many things that other people did since he was the new guy and, frankly, a little doofy.
Wow I am stunned by how thorough, balanced, and thought provoking this was. I know you said this was JCS inspired but this was better than any documentary I’ve seen, including his! You deserve 10 million subscribers!
This is class research and presentation, congrats. I'm sure it takes a huge amount of work to put something like this together, so thank you. You have talent, I hope you continue and thrive!
