The highway where trucks work like electric trains 

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Wait 1 week ago?!?

Nice

wait what?

Same

just imagine what it could've looked like if we kept using it for 130 years long, we would be far into the future by now.

Exactly, this should be called... a trolley-lorry? Trolleylorry? Or trolleytruck :).

It was always relevant, just not backed as well as the fossil fuel lobby. Governments and local authorities (and I'm particularly thinking of the UK) will do anything in their power or kick the can down the street to allow anything else to come along in order to avoid putting trolleybuses back.

@@PumpkingsLol trolley-busses are still used around the world. In Ukraine we have plenty of cities running trolley-buss networks. I'm curious if they can be extended to let trolley-trucks to run in them

@Vinícius Carmo Electric cars themselves have existed since then, yes but they were not a viable option at the time due to poor electrical infrastructure and a vast lack of battery capacity. Battery technology has only just moved to the point that electric cars are becoming a real option within the last 10 years.

Plenty of trolley busses around the world doing it though.

@@bremCZ no, trolley buses don't uses pantographs, they have 2 long pole directly in contact with the 2 cables above the road, in that way the poles are on a rail

@@NassimOOO No, not all trolley buses use a trolley pole. They exist and have existed for a long time with pantographs.

Just make it cheap to replace, so it will make sense to replace after some milage just like replacing tyre or changing oil.

But if the sweeping rod can move 100kmph forward why can't it serve a bit left or right, what damage can it cause, when it can withstand the forward speed? Enlighten me more.

Not to mention that electric motors are just really really good at making things turn. Sure, they are clean, but they are also quite efficient, which is what I like about this idea.

May I propose the idea of "freight trains", where a bunch of unpowered trucks are pulled by one or more powered "trucks"? This is even more efficient for long distance transport…

This is clearly a money laundring blunder, this is coming from the country that declares carbon and gas combustion is a more enviromental friendly energy source then nuclear energy

@@ibimsbodenhansel3230 True, but this is for short transport, from warehouse to store or warehouse to home. This is what a UPS or FedEx van would do. Otherwise, trains are the way to go.

@@bloomgaming6480 I like nuclear energy a good deal. I am going to study nuclear engineering. I hope to see the construction of breeder reactors at most power plants in my lifetime, but that is not why I am going to get the degree. I want to work on spacecraft and launch vehicles, and nuclear-thermal propulsion is a fascinating concept.

And then lay rails to every location a truck would ever need to go.

And then prevent it from traveling to where the goods start and where they need to finish up.

Then give them a separate road network made of steel rails to reduce wear and simplify automation.

No no... train is too last decade... let's call it e-trans pods... now you have the attention of politicians.

Building tracks where there is already buildings or roads is difficult and expensive. Ideally you're right but getting people to commit to spending that money is really hard.

more likely on 2 by dlc

You joke but I absolutely don't see why not

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The real question is when the trucks are supposed to fall, do they break from the wire, or do they hang onto the wire.

@@MasterBomer how dare they be verified lmao

with the rest of the idiots

In the UK, HGVs (lorries) aren't allowed in the outside lane of a motorway if it has 3 or more lanes anyway. Not that it always stops them of course.

@@joep4life it's only 20-30% at the moment

@@joep4life It is a pity, but it is still way more environmentally friendly to run an electric motor off a coal plant than running individual geared internal comustion engines at various RPMs.

In Germany they have to stay out of the fast lane anyway.

I remember that. didn't James May also come up with hybrid cars using an idea from old trains or something?

That's brilliant. And on-board batteries would allow people collect charge when stationary or slowing down, in order to accelerate quickly after stop signs. And some people might mod their setup to use double the connections and use a transformer to transform that power into usable power for the vehicle (in the cases in which the voltage and amperage is not acceptable).

I remember reading about the idea even earlier, it was in the mid 80s, but back then it was seen as just a stupid idea with no merit.

Yes. Exactly what I thought. But his idea was to have a normal petrol engine drive you to the motorway then stick out a pantograph and enjoy mains electricity boosting you along the highway.

Adjusting the line voltage is amusing, but wouldn't be effective. Companies for both commercial and private vehicles would have incentive to suck more current in the low-voltage times to keep going fast. Simpler and more practical to have adjustable, electric speed limit signs.

I haven't seen one on the A5 near Frankfurt/Darmstadt either

probly still in controll testing, i doubt they would build it out so much if they wasent thinking of using it.

For most of the sections not specifically filmed for the purpose here, we don't see them getting used either. We'll do anything to keep roads, trucks, and cars going. Fundamentally unsustainable modes being constantly greenwashed.

Near Rastatt in BW, they have the same construction running. No one is using it either.

and you won't. it's a stupid idea

Don't worry, this pilot project will probably be the start of a new freight rail corridor.

The source and destination of the payload, both need to be adjacent to a railway line, otherwise guess what - you need a truck for the rest of the journey.

Railways have many systemic problems including significantly higher infrastructure costs and operators which don't share the infrastructure properly. not to mention need for last mile delivery and shunting/railyards. However, railways are more efficient and I wish it would be done. Governments don't seem to have sufficient political will to do that.

I thought he clearly stated that these routes are use for last mile delivery from warehouses to other warehouses or to customers.

@@KRYMauL no it wont

There is a motorway in Sweden (Sandviken) with the same system since 15 years ago.

London also had a system many years ago where buses were powered from overhead cables like this. Lookup trolley buses

Ya everytime when I visit my relatives , I'm impressed by the trolleybuses of Coimbra. Apparently even such a low volume produced type of Bus is still way cheaper than operating a regular bus.

@@thomashoups5926 San Francisco has been doing it for a very long time too. In the 80s we used to like watching the shower of sparks from them when something arced.

@@earthknight60 I can see why London decided to get rid of them but then again at the same time it'll be so much better for the environment because we won't be creating loads of lithium battery's that have a shelf life

And the average lifespan of a truck is around that same period... Which means unless things change in battery technology today, there's going to be a fleet of perfectly good trucks being scrapped in 18 years that have only had half their life usage. That to me seems worse for the environment than the diesel would have been.

@@tin2001 wait, why would they be scrapped if it is just a ban on making/selling new ones after that date?

@@tin2001 nothing is being scrapped

Did you write that because you thought the ban will be here too soon, or is it the case that you can't wait for the ban?

18 years is a long time

Agreed, fully. The Germans do a lot of things right, but one mistake they've made was shutting down nuclear plants to back up renewable power at night and when there's no wind.

compared to what country and source please

How about France, which uses mostly nuclear power and has lower CO2 emissions per MWH generated than Germany.@@zznd4754

@@zznd4754 It's neighbour, France

@@pxidr France? The Country with so many Nuclear Power Plants? I don't think so. Before you say that it's eco-friendly, it's not. The Waste it causes is beyond imaginable and will last for thousands of years.

Being German, I guess I should like it but Tom is definitely not digging deep enough and is accepting way to many explanations without researching the back story. The end results are usually resonating with the sensibilities of a younger crowd but are only a part of the story - and that's poor scientific reporting by any definition. I don't know all of Tom's videos but the few I saw about German Infrastructure were rather blue-eyed.

@@f.d.6667 are there any unmentioned issues with this one?

Its not over for us tho🤣🤣🤣

@@f.d.6667 naja, es is nich Toms Ding anzusprechen wie scheiße wir digitalisiert sind, sondern was gut is. Fortschrittliche Ideen, nicht Sachen die schon lange bekannt und einfach noch nicht umgesetzt sind

Would be great if we not switch the language, meine Freunde ;) F. D. likely wanted to address other deficits we have in germany, but as Lenyu said (in german): It's not on Tom and also not in his interest to talk about stuff that's shitty in germany. @F. D. Tom simply shows cool technology to the world. I would almost go as far as to say that it's irrelevant to him if this tech is located in germany or in any other country.

Exactly.

It is reinventing the wheel, in this case an inefficient train.

Trains exist, yo.

@@patrick_test123 I saw the argument that laying out rail in Germany would be more costly and unloading small freight like what a truck can carry would be a pointless due to time and still having to transport it to a shop or wherever, but I'm not German or even close to Europe so I got no real clue

@@patrick_test123 but this could have a small battery, so that when it gets off the highway, it can drive a small distance to whatever business it wants to go to. It's far more flexible and doesn't need as much infrastructure. It solves the problems of electric trucks, which come from the giant battery required if there's no active way to get power elsewhere like these overhead cables.

This is a real world problem solution and you can only think of toys?

As far as I know, there isn't much free capacity available on German railways.

nah take our butter

@@Rebasepoiss Because when the Deutsche Bahn went public they retired many railways

trains can't really do short distant where lots of turns are needed m8. Lorries have a purpose and always will

It's mixed modal transportation. Irish butter is put in a trailer at the factory and trucked some km to rail, where the whole trailer is railed to Wien, then the trailer is trucked to a warehouse in Wien and unloaded and the butter split into Less than Truckload amounts, and some portion of that is trucked to a shop in Himberg. Industry does tend to prefer the most cost-effective (read: efficient) way of doing something - even to the point of making something TOO cost-effective (i.e. trading anything and everything for 'costs less money')

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und 300 m östlich ist die Bahnlinine DA-F...

@@micha0001 danke 🙏 Echt komplett bescheuert

@@micha0001 die jetzt schon mit den Personen Zügen überlastet ist

You are talking about trolleybuses are you? They are different thing, similar but different. And Germans should know enough about them, it was a German guy after all who invented whole thing in 1800's.

Most countries have decent enough freight-rail that something like this isn't needed.

Seattle too we have trolleybuses as well

​@@20quidproblem is here in North America the freight absolutely refuse to have any Electrification at all and they refuse to improve their track at all it's actually a massive problem because there is no room for passenger trains

@@IndustrialParrot2816 which is a darn tooting shame.

more like the carrier. In Europe most of the Trucks are owned by the carrier

@@perlsackhd3957 That's even better for adoption, then, because companies with larger fleets are generally more willing to buy more expensive capital since the operational savings add up faster with a bigger fleet.

It's almost like they considered the people whose livelihoods are at stake in all this.

@@nathanlevesque7812 Well when have they ever done that before

We'll have trucks running off of brown coal in no time.

What do u think about the argument that this is just a train on tires? Its build to be more flexible in delivering goods but still can only deliver to prebuild destinies. Like a Train

@@usebrain514 nope there is a battery onboard to allow driving to and from the highway. It's not a trolleybus ;)

@@agnidas5816 Okay. So the last mile should be individually delivered, like a train does work hand in hand with a truck?

@@usebrain514 Exactly - but we (meaning most "developed" nations) stopped maintaining our rail networks decades ago. The "truck that's also a train" uses a modification that makes the existing road system double as our train track, rather than building new tracks. One vehicle that does both parts with one travel network is gold when it comes to "proposals that will actually get serious consideration from politicians."

@@agnidas5816 You seem to live in the past. Modern trolleybuses do have batteries. In Zurich the public transport buses even change during service.

Yes, I see your point of view as a graded rebalancing towards railway systems taking back their pre-eminent position in a multimodal logistics system. A nudge back to electrification of transportation is sorely needed by government subsidies for e trucks

@@YaduMathur The main problem with rail is that it needs capacity to justify implementation. It takes a ton of space an capital investment to make it runing.Tram or troleybus style electro pickup system may help to bridje this gap in capacity and decrease cost of such shipping.

Until a train can get off its tracks and drop stuff off at any warehouse, store or home, I don't see a train replacing trucks in these use cases. The question is, does the cost of building out large amounts of these across major roads result in savings in delivery costs over ZEV trucks that don't use this charging system. The more trucks you have using this, the more economical it becomes, but it needs a critical mass to be worth it.

@@jdmspotter Trains don't need to do that. You can have lorries at rail freight depots doing the final deliveries, and also the shorter distance journeys that are not practical to transport by rail, while having trains doing the long distance trips, where they are significantly more effective. This is mostly what we have now, except long-distance trucking is still a widely used thing. This is probably because rail freight is nearing capacity, which means the solution is to increase rail freight capacity, and get more long distance trucks off the road and their cargo on to trains on tracks.

@@bombardygamer4248 So in other words, trains won't replace trucks.

Electric vehicles themselves have existed for centuries.

@@GTAVictor9128 Not two centuries.

trolly bus and trolly truk like ussr

@@GTAVictor9128 What year is it?

Futuristic? Then come to Eastern Europe, it must be like Cyberpunk here.

I'm living in Lübeck and ride often to Hamburg and it's the same.

Me too. I was born in Germany

@KY5 [10th Main Account] poor you

The best German era of an Englishman since David Bowie

Cars going to batteries makes far more sense. Smaller lighter. The pantograph would be like 10% or more of the vehicle weight and if your electric car goes 500km this is more than sufficient.

yep and even more awesome if you already seen it irl

would be great for up-hill too where most trucks lose or lack power to climb. putting electric trucks aside.

I'm excited to picture this on US Interstates. It's not hard to imagine!

@CAD Thunkin it's because my truck is so long, I want to make sure I get around you far enough and fast enough.

Most of I5 is straight and fairly flat. That bit would certainly work for this system. It is easier to engineer something for a straight line. You only need something like 50KW to keep a loaded truck at highway speed so it needn't be the great big ones for trains.

Saying "the I5" makes me really curious where you're from. It's like an unholy merging of "the 5" and "I5."

Why stop there? Why not small car too? It will reduce lithium demands for batterry. Of course it's kind of dorky to go to a date while riding something that you usually see at amusement park. But ...

I'm wondering, how many vehicles a line can support at a single moment

@@abd4620 A single trains draws much more than a truck. So this supports many trucks already. But if we should still need a higher capacity, you just have to route power to the overhead lines at shorter intervals, so less trucks are in one segment at a time.

but the rubber wheels are not very eco friendly, maybe we could make the E-highway on top of train tracks and give the trucks steel wheels ?

@@heliodorespecht6083 Have you ever consider what will happens if one of those steel wheels goes flat? ... wait ...

Thought exactly of that Top Gear episode

Now I imagine James May saying: "yea well at least these trucks don't require a whole rail infrastructure so technically these are trolley busses"

But only far less efficient

​@@redhidinghood9337 But with added flexibility. This idea is for this to be supplemental, eliminating the need for use of the combustion engine on the big roads.

@@redhidinghood9337 If these could be trains they would have already been diesel trains at the very least.

Could you rerun your calculations with a battery cost of $100/kWh and $50/kWh at the pack level, please? This system only makes sense if batteries are extremely limited: if they are heavy, big, costly, or charge very slowly. Neither is true anymore.

Do you think it would be good for cars?

Could you share your thesis? DIO? I would like to read it.

can i read your report? I’m genualy interested in this! i thought of this idea a long time ago but i dismissed my thought based on feasability/costing.

There's another concern I'd have about it that I'd be interested in your thoughts on. It appears as shown here the system uses human-driven trucks, but it would make a lot more sense for automated steering to take over to keep the truck in position under the wires. Manually steering that precisely for any length of time would be exhausting for a driver, and automated is surely the future anyway. This would produce a result similar to a "trackless trolley," a vehicle that automatically follows a precise course, possibly even following a painted line on the road, or super-precise GPS. Such things have been used in public transit for some time. Given that these trucks, like the aforementioned trackless trolleys, probably all have the exact same track width, this causes the problem that they are rolling over the exact same spot of pavement each time. This wears sharp grooves in the road, much worse than manually steered vehicles that will spread the wear out over a wider rut. There are rubber-tire people movers that apparently have solved this problem through specially-designed roll-ways - they have very sharp-edged tire marks but apparently don't wear too much - but that would require rebuilding part of the road. If they don't do that, higher maintenance costs will result as they have to keep fixing the grooves. Either way a lot more cost than simply stringing up some wires.

Trolleybuses are incredibly underrated, and I’m disappointed how few people know about them.

We had trolleybus in Kathmandu. Decades ago. It no longer exists

@@janmelantu7490 We used to have theme in EU as well, but I prefer trams and so do my local authorities :)

Are you in Dayton? Just curious.

Well to be fair those are probably not the same politicians as 30 years ago :D

*BIG BRUH MOMENT*

Gave me an existential crisis for a minute there.

do you really count these 2 months as a year?

Lmao

Vibe check

For sure. This wouldn't make sense for cars but it seems to make perfect sense for trucks. If the two approaches can be combined by the sticking in an adequately-sized battery *as well*, that's a full door-to-door electric-powered journey. Amazing.

Petrol/diesel is the best solution for automobile transport right now. In the future it will be electric when battery technology becomes much more efficient as does building the electrical grid.

This is hardly a "solution"

@@MadScientist267 dis is definitely a solution before we had a perfect battery that cheap and powerful at the same time

@@royk7712 Why the hell did we go thru all the BS to get rid of those damn overhead wires if we're just gonna bring them back

@@MadScientist267 removing what overhead wires? there was never any over motorways?

​@@refrigerator9059 I think this person is talking about trains, yet failing to consider how trains and automobiles have different use cases, and that they can still be fulfilled even with overhead wires.

Hm... Trolleytrucks really rolls off the tongue doesn't it? Kinda like Bendybus

Came here to say this, trolleybuses are fairly common in a lot of places.

@@sidbrun_ And hearing 'trolleybus' in the Russian language is very sweet.

Yep, and we've had trolleybuses for hundred odd years!

Trolleylorries - say it fast 10 times.

Haa haa how about Berlin airport

It's just an experiment. They are great in inventions, not in bringing it to market.

they got no gas no power and in bed with the Russians they are doing relay good.

@@boltactionbunker5276 you treat talking about possible problems like problems would already exist.

@@boltactionbunker5276 germans are smart, they will fix it

I don't think you realise how large freight trains can be.

@@Sivalente1 thankfully there is a set limit they can't pass on number of cars.

agree. The rush to move traffic from rail onto diesel was short-sighted.

@@Sivalente1 Not in Europe. They are generally shorter where they share usage with passenger trains. In America, if the rail was full of passenger trains, the freight trains would have to be shorter

Rail capacity does not increase with high-speed rail, in fact it decreases, due to braking distance between trains. Unless you want pile-ups in the event of a crash to be inevitable, this isn't something you can just fix.

There's also a safety issue there, driving at night isn't great...

I think automated driving will be take care of some of those issues. it's less complicated to drive on highways (only cars, less unpredicatbility), the driver will be an operator/manager/failsafe. each change is just one piece of the puzzle.

@@Alex_1A No there isn't. Many people work night shifts in all industries. You just have to acclimatise to it.

There is a downside to night driving, increased risk of accidents. Plus having HGV's thunder around at 3am tends to annoy local residents.

@@benjaminshinar9509 that’s still a long ways off.

Train good, car bad! Atmospheric Railway BEST.

Thing is, the trucks may all come from the same port but go to a myriad of warehouses. If everything comes from the same wharf and goes to the same warehouse, then sure, train is the answer. The problem is that's often not the case.

Yes, but there isn't, nor will there be much new rail in the populous northern countries. The road system is the most complete transport system we will ever see, making use of it better is the key to success.

It's super expensive upfront and it's hard to even get the permits to build a track, even for the Deutsche Bahn (the German railway company), let alone for a private company

@TheShadowblade it was but lobbyism is a thing, especially in Germany. We hale an extremely powerful automobile lobby here which managed to basicilly kill our cargo railway system in the last 20 years.

They are a great idea. The automotive industry just kinda lobbied the heck out of the politicians to favour them over trains. Especially in US.

There are too many things built in places with road access, but where train access is not possible (without demolishing a lot of other things).

The decline of rail transport in most western/European countries is sad

They were the best idea for the planet but not the best idea for the greedy scum that run the planet.

Both systems have their benefits. Road transport has the flexibility, while (electrified) rail transport has the efficiency (electricity vs oil/gas). This solution combined the two modes is juuuust the right amount imo to uphold the benefit of the former while increasing the former's efficiency. If we brought in rail tracks, them that's more engineering, more maintenance, and more policy to keep drivers safe.

It’s not just helicopters either, highways are often used as an emergency landing area for aircraft, and those wires could be hard to see from the air. I love the technology, but I think setting up electric railroads would work better in some cases.

I'm not sure that having only two trucks is a major problem at this point - it's literally just a proof-of-concept right now. And for the air ambulances - if that's the biggest downside, I'm sure we'll be ok. Germany is one of the few countries who heavily uses helicopters for "normal" ambulance work - most countries only use them for super weird or remote rescues. It'd be a shame for it to be less effective in Germany of course, but shouldn't hold back progress

@Odd Gaming Hydrogen is terribly inefficient and therefore it will be very expensive thermodynamic vandalism. Use electricity for the things that can be electrified. Save hydrogen for the very few things that can't

There are multiple, glaring issues with this. This is a grab for EU grants and nothing more. I like the concept but these people aren't serious.

i don't see that as an issue, very little of Germanys road system is capable of having a chopper land on it. so why is it suddenly a must on a motorway?

Having the time of your life while always complaining. That's Germany for you.

@@DeutschlandMapping without proper internet connections and overall bad digitalisation yes

@@DeutschlandMapping without complaining there is no development

eh...

@@DeutschlandMapping we are world-class in terms of complaining.

Well, yes, but these trolley trucks can disengage from the overhead wires and drive on independently, where a trolleybus was attached to them - or at least the ones I knew back in the day and could not go anywhere without those overhead wires. So still an improvement, I'd say.

​@@berttroubleyn3475 There are towns where a trolleybus can disengage, I'm not sure how old the technology is though, but it's been out there for some years from what I've seen.

yea my exact line of though. here you can see communist made trolleybuses still driving and transporting people those are decades old. I don't get why are people so hyped about stuff like this when it already exists and has existed for a long time.

Our city (Riga) have these diesel trolleybuses who use diesel generator on streets without overhead wiring on partially electrified routes. Seems suitable solution for trucks too.

@@DynastySheep I can confirm - in my city (Gdynia, Poland) some of the trolleybuses are equipped with batteries, so they can drive several km without overhead wires

​@McFlickers That is certainly true. But as said in another place already, last-mile delivery could be done by trucks. But having centralized train hubs could cut down on traffic overall. I think one major problem right now is the fact that most companies cut down on their depot sizes and using trucks as mobile ware houses. Which is ok-ish if everything goes right, but as we can currently see (and saw especially during panic buying behaviour at the beginning of the pandemic), it's easy now to run into delivery shortages in a just-in-time delivery setup...

@@Djaenzee trains might not run when you need them, they also might not take the amount of cargo you need

@McFlickers Companies do not pop up spontaneously. We can, maybe, consider only planning industrial areas near trainstations?

@@ligametis Well, cargo trains are not like passanger trains. They can be planned to roll when they are needed. And if you need to deliver something to an hour accuracy, a truck will not be better either. And a train can always take more cargo than a truck. If there is high demand it might be posssible to lengthen (or also shorten) a train or plan more trains. But as said elsewhere: Main problem is the lack of railway network, it has declined over the last decades because of low maintenance. But all your points are solvable problems.

@@Djaenzee usually not more, but less cargo needs to be delivered, however frequently, exactly when needed. Trucks are more adaptable in this regard. You don't need to book a space, wait for a full train, can deliver to a couple locations along the way. Planned means need to work with others, wait for others. Not that frequently everyone needs to go to the same location.

I didn't think of this but you're absolutely right. I have experience on heavy rail catenary in the Northeast USA. It takes decades of training to qualify linemen & rail car mechanics fully proficient at maintaining & troubleshooting catenary systems, both the structure/ substation/ wire delivery systems, & the pantograph/ transformer / rectifier / traction motor / drive train traction system. So, yes, who is going to train & qualify this vast army of new workers, & pay for their services? Then, how do you parse through the damage evidence to assign responsibility every time a pantograph pulls down a section of wire? (which happens all the time on rail catenary just due to weather & equipment wear & tear, where the trains are on rails & can't just randomly steer outside their lanes?). Then, plus, now you're electrified truck lane is out of service until repairs are made, which typically take many hours by highly skilled technicians & require all power shut off with many safety protocols.

Excellent point. All those risks are present even before considering that this thing is autonomously controlled! They mentioned in the video that it pulls itself down as the truck leaves the lane... Can't see anything ever going wrong there!!!

I think there's a failsafe for that now. The damage happens because the block of graphite between the pantograph and the overhead line breaks off, but there are systems now that automatically lower the pantograph when damage is detected.

@@sideshowbob think of all the new jobs to replace all the fossil fuel jobs

There systems they could employ to safeguard against those problems. Contact strip wear detection systems that automatically drop the pantograph in case of damaged or worn-through carbon strips are widely used on the railway already. Shock sensors attached to the pantograph can be used to detemine any snagging issues or "hard spots" in the overhead wires. And I guess you could link that up to a wireless location based system to automatically flag up problems to the line maintenence team. In the UK, we have the same issue of "who is to blame" on our privatised railways whenever any OLE gets damaged, which is why most trains are now fitted with roof mounted cameras to detemine whether the incident was due to damage wires or a damaged pantograph - I notice that the truck is also equipped with a camera for (presumably) this purpose. The party whose equipment failed can be determined by watching the video log and the party at "fault" pays for any repairs. Obviously you would need some kind of mandatory insurance setup for this to work on a national scale but, I think with some creative solutions it could be made to work.

...Probably under a cover, to hide the ugly thing the rest of the time

or just have trucks do the last 50 miles and have trains do the rest?

@@kapilchhabria1727 that would be massively inefficient though

@@ObristPlayep why? i would imagine leveraging and existing train infrastructure is cheaper than the overhead power lines for the truck's pantograph.

@@kapilchhabria1727 I guess this is for places where there is no sufficient train infrastructure already present. And there, only building the trucks+overhead lines is significantly cheaper than building trains+lines+tracks+stations, and more flexible

This is nothing like a trolleybus

Of course they were, as would be anyone aware of a solution devised for trains more than 120 years ago.

Check out North Korea... they've had electric powered buses for decades. Of course putting powerlines above the highway seems like a good idea until someone needs to move their house

@@crocodile2006 You mean.. literally put their house on a vehicle and move it? Because I assure you that moving trucks are actually shorter than these "box trucks" are. In fact, those are the tallest road vehicles out there, and the wires have a hefty clearance over them as well... You could probably move a 1 story house on those super-heavy flatbeds and still not hit those wires.

@@crocodile2006 why North Korea? Those literally exist in a bunch of European countries

@@ScarletFlames1 No sweetie, there are movers that will lift a 2 story residence, whole or in pieces and move down the road with it. Doesn't even account for Over-Sized Loads which would gouge the heck out of these things just from the next lane over.

True, Switzerland has had success in recent years with short, last mile train transport

@@zacklightning3277 isn't everything super expensive in Switzerland?

@@flopunkt3665 comparatively no. the swiss are wealthy people and even the poor have extensive support networks in place which reduce living costs. They spend more than others in europe but they make even more than that

@@TRAMP-oline that's why they flock over the borders in masses every Saturday to do their shopping.

@@flopunkt3665 ya they flock to other places but thats true for nearly all countries even if you are earning well its nicer to get stuff cheaper if you can, so the same can be said about norway, some places in sweden, germany... Depending what you buy the only people that probebly won't care is the ultra wealthy

Passenger trolley buses have battery storage so they can drive for a few blocks where there is no overhead power. These trucks have the smarts to align themselves with the overhead wires, so it wouldn't be a problem to just drop the pantagraph when it goes under the bridge, and resume. On the static kind of route from a port to a specific warehouse, that will become the simplest way to implement autonomous driving of the trucks. They can just run back and forth 24 hours a day.

Wikipedia - Electric road. Sweden has tried out many of the Electric road options regarding the cost of each one. It looks like an on-road contact system with under vehicle pantograph will see all vehicles private cars and trucks be able to take advantage of this option, and only a 1 metre section under the vehicle is switched to high voltage the rest is return ground.

@@mnipp how does this system avoid having damage from snowplows in the winter? Is the road surface heated?

There's a proposal to trial this system on the M180 near Scunthorpe: ironically not far from the trolley bus museum at Sandtoft!

No such thing as advertising something that's just straight up good like this. Show us the drawbacks if there are any

He's probably just being cautious after the recent Veratasium thing lmao

No, I think that's a good disclaimer to have. Thanks Tom!

@@mickmccasker6401 what happened?

@@mickmccasker6401 What veritasium thing?

Hey, Dresden even has a cargo tram!

@@MegaJK97 used to have* it unfortunately closed in late 2019.

@@h-hhh Oh sad, I didn't know that :/ I occasionally saw some Cargo Trams around June/July 2020, and I wondered why i didn't see any of them this year. Meh :/

@@h-hhh OOF 😭😭😭

Personally, I never liked it.

I didn't know people were such children that they couldn't sit still and watch 3 minute video without being bribed with a treat at the end. Is everyone on RU-vid 5 years old?

@@choo_choo_ It's just a funny quirk. I mean tons of people wait to the end of Marvel films for extra scenes and other films for bloopers. You need to understand that such an occurrence was, for a while, quite the common occurrence on this channel.

@@choo_choo_ Wow, rude much. I just wanted to make a harmless remark about a small tidbit I miss from older videos. Ironic, considering said postscript bits were common in his videos from 5 years ago.

Nz is just Infrastructure whise so stuck in the 80‘s, it’s really sad

Nz doesn’t even have a fully electrified main line, and a majority of city’s don’t even have rails passenger services, allthough there is or used to be a railway line there

Greta idea lmao. Greta would be proud.

The Trolleybus's are already the thing implemented around the world, so why not

In England it took them 20 years to finish motorway between Luton Airport and Northampton area. If you give English goverment such idea you won't see end of work on that.

i've noticed that, too, however, trucks have to undergo regular service inspections in germany, so you could technically make the carbon collector strips beefy enough to last 2-4 years so they'll just get replaced ever so often. only works due to laws in germany, though

The pantograph could be made to drop should power ever be lost. If it requires an electromagnet powered from the line to keep raised , for example, this could be automatic. Accidents will happen though and that's why rescue services were involved - what's the plan for when (not if) things go wrong?

Thinking the same, on railways and tramways the wear is negligible, but in highways it will be way more. But on the truck side I think it can be solved by putting a little more angle between catenaries, so it can more easily swipe across the pantograph.

Trolleybus-type poles? The little wheels atop those would surely wear better.

@@marknpm ok, but how do you easily decouple and hook on? Trolleybuses are intended (usually) to stay connected permanently.

cost divided by population or population density? I mean in a city like new york, you have a street light every few meters. why not do it on every road in the country side?

Many scoff at the overhead wires! Combine overhead wire with batteries and you get the ability to charge on the go, and service the last mile quite easily.

@@IanBMorris That's exactly what the new trolleybuses here do actuality. Definitely could work with trucks and it's even mentioned in the video.

@@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox I've seen that in San Francisco and it seems to work well. I see a lot of people being against ideas like this, they are too different from the current way.

Aguanten la K y la Q

Blighty?

Most of that will fall into the bottomless pockets of the app designers because it's the UK, so it will need an app.

@@mughil128 slang for UK

Imagine the UK 'elth n safety having a go at this and the impacts on motorway maintenance.

Siphoned off into 'their mates' pockets.

Melbourne：yes

Same in San Francisco

The viability from an engineering point of view isn’t the only issue. The bigger issue is its economic viability plus proving to trucking companies and truck manufacturers that this is a system that works well and is accepted by both road users and emergency services in real world use. There is also the issue that is very different than trolley buses that operate in cities where speeds are much lower - that is operating at train-like speeds but in an environment that includes sharing the carriage way with multiple other kinds of vehicles. Trolley buses already do that, but at lower speeds. Trains have the higher speeds but do it on tracks that are mostly isolated from other vehicles. Combing speed and road sharing is a newer application that needs to be tested thoroughly. The acceptance issue is a real one. In this test only one truck company was prepared to participate while other companies declined citing their belief that different technologies are better. It will take a lot of testing like this to win-over a reluctant industry in order to make it viable to roll out electrification over long distances.

@@adamajluni7781 There was one incident in San Francisco where a trolleybus driver stupidly backed up his trolleybus. The trolley pole got caught on a switch and went up vertically while pushing up the overhead wires until they broke and collapsed.

@@artistjoh they should be able to retrofit this sort of system to existing Hybrid trucks, or to the small few fully electric trucks.

So, trains?

@@eingrobernerzustand3741 yes if they can cover all destinations and climb mountains on full load ;)

@@new.handle dosent eletric have issues with full load on hills and such tho?

@Dennan they tested for now only on flat surface, but there is YT channel that makes conversions of diesel to electric for logging trucks. So maybe in future...

@@new.handle aa okay thanks for the information!

Freight trains use Electric lines in major cities

@@haruhisuzumiya6650 here not only freight trains use it but passanger trains as well and than in the whole country

Same.

Bruder ich wohne einfach 10 min von diesem Autobahnabschnitt entfernt haha. Auch der McDonalds mit dem Kanal-DriveIn letzt war so random, weil ich da mal nur 200m von entfernt gearbeitet habe. Hab beides instant wiedererkannt

@@seleganttwanty1525 yee, hab ich auch gesehen. Dieser Kanal macht einem richtig Laune das Land zu bereisen ^^

but "last mile delivery" is going to have the highest construction cost, and the lowest reduction in emissions.

Trucks are point to point, easily scalable and competitive. Clearly trains don't work for every case or they would be the solution.

Their also the fact that Europe doesn’t have a efficient cargo rail service. Europe’s trade relies a lot on trucks so this system would technically be more energy efficient than the current system. Plus cargo rail would have to use new tracks or passenger line would need to be upgraded with passing tracks if cargo rail was to be expanded in Europe so this is the cheaper option

Railroads take up a whole lot of space and are solely used by trains, compared to the road networks we have all put in place for both commercial and residential use. Waiting to fill a freight train with cargo before shipping out and then having to wait for an entire freight train to get unloaded would slow down everything. Not to mention our railroads are already in use, to rely more heavily on them would require a massive overhaul and upgrade.

I think of this as a more efficient form of the already existing Schienen-ersatz-verkehr (rail alternative traffic). You have a lot of necessary trucks with cargo not suitable for rail (in a schedule, multiple stops, short distance of end of rail to destination (meaning the double loading cost would be negating long distance), easier accessibility by truck...), so implementing this system could have a big effect.