MY VIDEO WITH QUINN: Mace Tyrell: Secret Genius? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J4VAxdGGEWk.html&ab_channel=QuinnTheGM Subscribe: www.youtube.com/@fantasyhaven1 | Patreon: www.patreon.com/FantasyHaven TIME STAMPS: 00:00 - The High Stewards 02:15 - Targaryen Era 06:45 - The Mace Dynasty 08:51 - A Song of Ice and Fire
They are ruthless but most of the time they try to make the lives of the non noble people less shitty, well, as on their terms as possible but you know...When the people are basically not starving and not dropping dead with sickness I call this a win.
@@visionofsolace8961 Yeah. Every Great House seems to hate the Lannisters by the start of asoiaf except for the Tyrells and the Greyjoys. Tywin's house became strong, but the way he went about it made his family reviled. And now that he's dead, it's all falling apart.
Remember the position they’re in. The Gardener’s were probably much more like the Lannisters. An ancient, proud, wealthy and legendary house whose hubris led to their destruction. Now, these up-jumped stewards who never raised a castle in their lives take over one of the most successful regions on the continent. Over the Gardener’s very powerful, related, ambitious historical vassals. They were moulded in the flames of malcontent and envy which no other great house has had to face. Love helps!
@@realdaggerman105 This is true. They're an upjumped family that became the 2nd greatest House in Westeros 300 years ago. They're sort of like the Freys in that people resent how powerful they are even though they're upjumped. But the Tyrells are much better at PR. I love those guys.
I really despise how the show made Loras into a gay stereotype who slept with every man who could. "When the sun has set no candle can replace it" sums up who Loras is. He's an honorable and devoted man, not a f*ckboy.
The Tyrells probably have the strongest vassals out of any great house, it is actually insane. The Hightowers are ancient, powerful, super rich and rule Oldtown; the Redwynes have the largest navy in Westeros and are rich from trade; the Tarly army is a military powerhouse, the Florents are also super rich, etc. Even some are only begrudgingly loyal (since some view the Tyrells as upjumped stewards) they will answer their liege if called upon. The Tyrells are the most powerful house to be sure.
I’ve been thinking this for a long while too. Like compared to other kingdoms the Tyrell’s have the best bannermen. The others individually have their own good ones, ex: Daynes with Martells, Royces with Arryns, Blackwoods/Brackens with Tullys, Velaryons with Targs, but they’re few in each kingdom. The Tyrells consistently have numerous powerhouses who as you said are usually loyal unless there’s other circumstances, like the Florents.
Also the reach is the second biggest region, only the north is bigger. Thanks to the geological circumstances the reach has the most people and so also the biggest army
In the show, Olenna is by far my favorite Tyrell and my second favorite character overall, just behind the man, the legend, The Lion, Tywin Lannister himself. Honorable mention goes to Stannis, which was my favorite character initially, but the show decided to go off the rails and completely ruin him by converting him into a religious fanatic that burned his only daughter, going against everything he was prior to that point.
Show: Margaery, hands freaking down, no contest. Books: Willas, very annoyed he wasn’t included in the show. Willas, to me, always feels like he’s being set up for something, maybe he’ll join Faegon because He’s friendly with the Martells or save Oldtown from Euron, somehow, or just continue to be a good big brother to Garlan because that story was so wholesome. Side note: Garlan is also very cool, hope he takes back the Shield Islands, I think he could do it. I want all three of them to survive, Martin, please don’t do the Tyrell’s dirty like the show.
One interesting pattern for the Tyrells through history is their curious allegiance to the Targaryens. It's not that they "always aside with the dragons" (the dance has them stay neutral); Instead the Tyrells "Never side against a dragon"
A perfect animation as always House Peake is the superior House of course, having the skilled knight Lord Gormon Peake loyal to the True Kings Long Live House Blackfyre and The Heroic Lord Haven.
One Problem though, Mace supported Renly who had a weaker claim than Stannis and justified it that he has a large army and he is popular because he charmant If Renly won the Iron Throne, he would Set up the precedent that everyone with a claim, a big army and mayhaps popularity can become the next Lord or even King. The recipe for endless Civil war He then Supports the Lannister Regime , for which i don't need an explanation
They easily could have done the PR that Joffrey was a insane usurping bastard (which he is) and that Stannis is a demon worshipper who wants to destroy the Faith making Renly the rightful heir since he's defending Andal Values.
Finding out just how interesting and involved the history of House Tyrell was just makes me infinitely more pissed at how dirty they were done in the later seasons of GoT
About the Purple Wedding, i dig Preston Jacob theory. Is one of the least insane and better made, with some solid arguments about it. Someone tried to poison tyrion through his pie, and Joffrey, little gluttonous bastard that he was, eat it and die, accidentally and ironically saving Tyrion.
I love how theyre fairy tale characters in this hyperrealistic medieval setting. The tyrells have a vibe like no other family but that makes them stand out.
Everyone wants to be a Targaryen,a Lannister,a Stark...but being a Tyrell in time of peace is probably the best position in the world. You're rich like the royal family (or even more at time),you live in a wonderful place with warm weather and plenty of food,you have a lot of political influence but at the same time you have great vassals that are mostly loyal and can govern themselves
I think it is interesting how the tyrells expose the flaws of House Lannister. For example the founding myth of the Lannisters is that they were founded by "Lann the clever", yet they almost exclusively retain their power through wealth and the brute force that comes with it. The Tyrells on the other hand stay true to their roots, and while they play at being knights in shining armor they maintain their power through clever administration and good politics
They remind me more of house, Velaryon because both their families receive a position in court notches the individual, but it was like it was part of the inheritance as being a member of the house only one of them be kind to successor to the house they served
We must not forget that Willas Tyrell's leg getting crippled was a pure accident. Oberyn knocked him off his horse just as is supposed to happen to one of the jousters, but Willas's foot caught in his stirrup as he fell, pulling his horse down onto his leg and crushing it. Had Willas's opponent been basically anyone other than a Dornishman, it would have been lamented as a tragic accident and that would have been the end of it. It is only because it was Oberyn that had knocked him off the horse that Mace and Olenna (but NOT Willas, as Quinn mentions,) have renewed animosity to Dorne, the Martells, and especially Oberyn personally.
I believe Leo Longthorn also took part against the Blackfyre rebels in the Reach during the first Blackfyre rebellion at least according to the World of Ice and Fire book.
🎵How did a family of Reachmen, sons of the rose, barely stewards 🎵caught in a real tough spot in Aegon's Conquest, 🎵even while their lords were overwhelmed 🎵rise up to be the strongest in the realm?
I don't think it's a good idea to state the Olena and little finger scheme as factual since it's not conformed in the books....excellent video nonetheless 🔥👍🔥👍
To be honest, many european houses have a rose with five petals in their heraldry. I've always found parallels between tje Tyrells and Bohemian noble house of Rosenberg. Both are regarded as southern residing in the most fertile region of the land, are amongst the richest and have ambitions for the throne.
