>Does being a concept chameleon in K-pop hurt your career by not keeping a stable fanbase or seen as an advantage to broaden a potential audience? Find out in today's video as I deep dive into the history and milestones of the emotionally charged power vocal group known as SPICA! 🔮 > Thank you to Kloot Box for sponsoring this video! 🎉Shop your KPOP subscription box (with Korean snacks of course) at: www.klootbox.com?aff=318. Also check out their instagram.com/klootbox! Feel free to use my code Midnight for 5% off :) It also helps me out too since I make a commission
Thank you for this video! To me I don’t see massive concept shifts. They started as a mature, vocal focused group and added to that at times but didn’t veer too much toward cute or sexy. The fact that they didn’t find a big enough audience is more a reflection of the industry than anything they did or didn’t do. If they came out now I bet it would be different. The industry needs more groups like them to balance the girl crush/dance focused trend that most of the new groups are coming out with. Especially with groups like Gfriend and Berrygood disbanding
Can u do videos about male idol groups that flopped or disband that people might not know or male idol groups that not getting enough exposure, its just something that been on my mind..I see a lot about female idol groups but no male groups
I’d put their top 8 or so songs against anybody’s. Tonight is one of my favorite songs from any genre. It seems like people weren’t ready for a mature, sophisticated sound like theirs at the time.
I remember back in the day people were like "all girl groups are just cutesy and can't even sing" then when you showed them SPICA they went real quiet LMAO.
I wouldn’t say that. There are many groups and soloists with legendary vocals. They may not know one group and we know but that doesn’t mean that their argument or statement isn’t strong. It simply means that they don’t have to stan/know every group or soloist with strong vocals. I apologize if I sounded harsh
I don't know if you can help me but do you know how I can watch the show "Lee Hyori x Unnie"?? It seems like it's unavailable on the internet, but I don't know where I should look :(
I was at the kcon they performed at. When they were performing it was really quiet from the audience and they gave out tickets to have a chance to meet them at a meet and greet and the ground was covered with theirs. I feel so bad for them but that performance made me a fan but they disbanded shortly after
I was at that fan meeting and some of my friends got to do the high touch but I could only watch with the rest of the crowd. I big to differ, it was full and they got a great reaction at the concert. There weren't a lot of girls groups, other than SNSD, that weekend. Of course there was also Boa's friend, IU.
I remember discovering Spica when they were promoting Lonely and fell in love with the group. I definitely agree that if the company had taken advantage of promoting the group better and focused more on the international fan base, the group probably would have done better.
I don't know if you can help me but do you know how I can watch the show "Lee Hyori x Unnie"?? It seems like it's unavailable on the internet, but I don't know where I should look :(
please make one of these “educational” videos for Brown Eyed Girls too! they’re such a solid 2nd gen gg with so many iconic hits but a lot of people seemed to have forgotten about them or the fact that they’re still active!
I feel like 4th gen doesn't care about vocals anymore. Choreography and visuals are valued more/ above vocals. Power vocals aren't just loud, it's a demonstration of skill and a literal art in itself. I hope groups that are more vocal focused like Spica, Mamamoo, don't fade away as mainstream Kpop continues to change.
@@numnum118 im sorry but YG never really excelled in vocals in their groups, if they do have great vocals like Gummy, Lee Hi, Suhyun, Minzy etc, they let them go or end the contract on kinda iffy terms. I will admit Treasure is a step into a more well balanced direction, i think they have alright vocals, rap and some very good dancing which is something very new for a YG artist lol (not saying they never had good dancers, they did but it was usually one person per group; Minzy, Lisa, Taeyang. But i just mean an overall a well balanced dancer set Treasure has with every member able to follow hard choreo is something very new for YG)
i agree with you 100%!....any and all of the people that managed Spica should be banned from the kpop industry because how do you screw up managing a vocally powerful group like Spica?
I have noticed that constant concept change has resulted in the failure of a lot of so many kpop groups. Kpop groups are most of the time fandom driven, so building even a small but solid fanbase is very important. Even if they do not get much GP attention during early days, focus should be given to making a strong fanbase that would keep supporting them for a long time. This is also one of the reason why none of the SM entertainment groups fail despite being constantly being called failures and hated on during early rookie days. SM has always stuck to original concepts for the groups no matter how repulsive the GP are towards it. This has helped them get devoted and strong fanbases who would go far and beyond to help the idols shine. The Fandoms end up getting attention and thus bring the groups to bigger spotlight, thus popularizing the groups even more. More people join the fandom this way and Thus result in huge success.
@@rodie3602 as well as Girls' Generation. I think with a lot of the 3rd and 4th generation idol groups need either a banger or the company needs to push them on variety shows as well. I think this will allow them to have longevity and relevancy down the line. SPICA I believe had great songs from the beginning but they didn't do a lot of variety shows and being a fan of kpop since '09 idol groups need to have that connection with the audience. To not only maintain their fanbase but to expand it steadily over time.
@@GGSoneBAPBaby yeah true BTS at the beginning was not popular and alot of popular variety shows wont cast them that's why Bts stop trying to get in variety shows and made their own RUN BTS variety show instead where they do things themselves instead of the host. One hard thing to be cast in a variety show is that you have to be popular to be invited s or your company is big etc and i feel so sad because SPICA have some of the best vocals and they could be so big
I’m actually happy that 2 of the members formed a separate group (a duo) called KEEMBO. This proves that the world needs to stop sleeping on these talented vocal queens
I still remember being blown away when I first heard Spica's songs around 2012/13. I was convinced that they would be the next big girl group because of their vocal talent, visuals and pre-debut experience, but I think they just had an inexperienced/incompetent management team. Spica is an example of how even talent and good looks won't get you far in this industry if you don't have a good team behind you and some luck.
As a fan of Lee Hyori i've watched various shows with her including one episode oh Hello Counsellor where she was invited with two members of Spica that are now a duo. I don't know whether they still were in Spica back then. I knew about Spica because of their song Tonight. Anyways, there was a moment where Boa said, "our strenght is singing, we can sing really good" and Hyori responded, "There are a lot of people who are good at singing but it's not enough to gain popularity". Well, not word by word, but with this meaning. Now, knowing the story behind their relationship, i think it migth hit them hard. Nevertheless, as bitter as it sounds, Hyori was right. So many talented artist get swallowed by the industry
Spica lost their momentum the day they lost to AOA. I remember it so well. AOA rose that day and Spica fell through. It was super sad since Spica had all the talent, looks, style everything. They were the whole package, just needed their agency to push their personality like Mamamoo. Doggedly, Tonight and You Don't Love Me are the best!
@@svftannies4113 but AOA had some of the best songs of kpop. Jimin's bullying shit cannot drown the fact that the songs were exceptionally good and appealed to the general public
I really want a new powerful vocal centered group like mamamoo/spica because all of the new 4th gen groups seem to just focus on visuals and complicated dances 😐😷😷
Honestly if there is another group that deserves the brave girls treatment it definitely has to be Spica! The fact that they got the nugu treatment despite having all singers that have great voices is so criminal. They could’ve been a force to be reckoned with had they been promoted properly.
I am so happy that you talked about them because I hadn't seen many videos of these women, I LOVE them so much and always think of what could have been if they were still around, definitely thought about some collabs with MAMAMOO. I'll never forgive that people turned their backs to this powergroup I still listen to their music, I personally loved that they didn't stick to one concept but I think it was a bad marketing matter the fact that they disbanded because there was a LOT of talent within this girls
i was a spica fan in 2018-2019 when i first got into kpop not knowing they were disbanded. i still really enjoy secret time but im glad to see people talk about them :) im a big disbanded gg fan tbh really sad for me
History of Tiny-G? D-Unit? Goddess? I used to love those relatively not-well-known groups! There's so many more... being a K-Pop fan since 2004, I can't keep track of them all lol!
I learned about spica bc I heard "scandalous" by keembo, and my best friend was like "I'm so glad to have spica members back!!!" I had no idea what she was talking about lol and now thanks to this vid, I do! 🤩
I needed this. I got into SPICA a few months ago stumbling on You Don’t Love Me. As being a MooMoo, I definitely saw their talent. It’s so sad they were never been appreciated bc all their songs are vocally good. Actually I got into SPICA just days before KEEMBO’s Scandalous as I’m typing this lol I do wish SPICA was well known just as much as Mamamoo, maybe the public wasn’t ready.
I have a whole sticky note listing different groups I want to get into, and they're almost all from this channel. Thank you so much for these incredible videos! You are such an amazing writer and creator. Thank you!
Many people said Spica flopped bc of lack of charisma....I disagree. Many groups arent that strong in variety but doesnt mean they were doomed, and had a stable fanbase/career. 💞💗Support Keembo, they are two former spica members that formed a duo group💞
I had no idea that Keembo was former Spica members. Ironically, a lot of Moo Moos are Keembo fans and always hype their releases. 😂 I haven't listened to much 2nd gen music tbh and clearly that needs to change.
Can we talk about how many amazing kpop idols were supposed to debut with 2ne1? Bohyung from SPICA, Linzy from FIESTAR, and Jooyi from RANIA! All vocal queens too
Lady's code and Spica had the bests discographies in 2nd gen kpop even better than most top groups. I guess it show that music is not the 1st thing people look for in kpop.
Initially, i thought they were gonna make it big because their voices were for real, the bomb. It was refreshing to see such a vocally talented group since becoming a k-pop fan in 2002. There were a lot of great groups, don't get me wrong, but their songs were really memorable and hard for others to perform. Too bad the group didn't really take off as expected
Great choices. I also love Doggedly, Lonely, Painkiller, Ghost and You don’t love me. They put out a lot of great songs in a relatively short period of time
I accidentally found Spica last year while following some drama from another older kpop group 🤧 but I'm so glad I found them. As I keep staying a kpop fan longer and dive deeper into older groups, never fails to amaze me how much talent can be concentrated in the industry but it doesn't even matter cause the group might not make it at the end.
Talk about memories. I actually saw them live at KCON, and still have some of the swag from that day. God I feel old now 😂. They were really well received that day, I actually thought they were ahead of their time.
If there is one thing I learned in the 13+ years I've been a fan of K-pop, Korean fans and companies have hardly understood or recognized the power in the international audience as a force to be reckoned with. Only recently they are trying to hold their hands out and push their groups but for money instead of the fans they genuinely gained.
I don't know if you can help me but do you know how I can watch the show "Lee Hyori x Unnie"?? It seems like it's unavailable on the internet, but I don't know where I should look :(
20:04 that was the performance that introduced me to spica and it was a youtube recommendation after watch a few immortal song performance. meanwhile, i see solar or variety shows left and right lol.
Spica is one of those groups that I thought would have the success Mamamoo has now. They are generally the same in terms of vocal power and songs yet they got so little love in the long run. It's sad.
I got into K-pop right as Spica was disbanding, and I didn't ever seek their music out. I have made sure to follow Keembo, because their vocals are really no joke, absolutely outstanding. I hope newer generations of fans will go back and listen to groups like Spica that are no longer together. They all still deserve love and attention~
I wish i could see them together again in MMTG Renaissance show koreans still have a long way to go to appreciate and like good music if there's no internet they will flop for sure.
I know this is about SPICA but damn is Lee Hyori gorgeous. I really loved SPICAs 40 style in the You Dont Love Me MV. I think that period in time fashion and hair was just super flattering on everyone.
when Spica were together, they were my second-favorite female kpop group....they will probably always be my overall second favorite female kpop group because i love power vocals in a group above anything else (yes, that's including visuals, concept, and these other quirky things that are now in demand for kpop groups)....each member of Spica are beautiful and very talented....it is truly a shame that we are not continuing to enjoy Spica and their great music....i love them and i truly miss them so much that it hurts....i wish someone could make one of their songs and videos go viral the way that one guy did with Brave Girls, and people react to it so much, and they begin to receive the love, recognition, and success that they so rightly deserved, that they will have to get back together to enjoy it all.
Thank you for doing this video - Singly the best vocal KPOP group that ever existed - has there ever been a KPOP girl group where all 5 members could be lead singers in any girl group even now in 4th generation. There is no other group like Spica, I think the kpop fans failed to recognize their awesome talent because of failed marketing and stupid mistakes of B2m and Cje&m/Leoan - it is obvious to me that they had IU, Eric Nam, Nicole, Lee Myeori and others that were already successful and making money so why throw money away on a group that wasn't performing up to standards. Follow the money trail to find the truth Hopefully all these girls are still having careers in the field they enjoy the most
I've been a Kpop fan for 12 years since 2009 and I was just 7 years old I rmb jamming to music shows on tv after school every day I've always loved spica and I still listen to you don't love me, tonight, and many more. Honestly I miss them so much the era I grew up with ;-;
Thanks for the info and your thoughts about why Spica didn't succeed. I didn't get into kpop until 2016 and didn't learn about Spica until I started looking into 2nd gen groups I'd missed so I appreciate your info and insights. Despite Spica's great vocals I'm not a big fan of most of their music with the exception of Tonight, which is one of my all time fav kpop songs. When I first watched Spica MVs they seemed like a group trying too hard to find an image that resonated with the public rather than artists expressing themselves. You could say they were themselves in the Tonight MV but imo that's one of the worst kpop MVs I've seen and I think it may have hurt the song on the charts. I think the difference between looking like you're trying to hit on a popular concept vs coming across as genuine might have something to do with why Spica didn't succeed as a vocal group doing a retro concept and Mamamoo did. Boa and Bohyung are doing a much better job of being themselves as Keembo and I hope they find success. Keembo is my fav new girl group since Khan, which is maybe a bad sign on two counts: my taste rarely aligns with popular taste and Khan was also a duo formed from the wreckage of a very talented group who deserved a much better fate. You might want to do a vid on the deja vu tragedy of The Ark and Khan.
As a long-time Moomoo, I always felt that SPICA deserved more credit for paving the way for MAMAMOO. My queens shine in their own right, but it's a shame SPICA never got the break they deserved.
I remember hearing about Spica from predebut thanks to Kim Kyu Jong and Heo Young Saeng (SS501) who were signed to B2M at the time. I was AMAZED at their vocal abilities and had high expectations. Then I started university and lost track of the whole Kpop industry until like 2 years ago. I remember I looked them up hoping they had been successful only to find out they had disbanded. It's really sad people slept on their talent, but I'm glad some of us still remember them fondly (^-^)
god i loved them so much in high school. and the comparison with mamamoo i saw coming before i clicked their video. i wish they had more success but at the same time i absolutely love every thing they’ve put out and i hope they know they have people who generally did love their music
The fact that I only heard of Spica because of their OST for Uhm Jung Hwa and Park Seo Joon's drama A Witch's Romance and I regret that I never new of them before watching this drama in 2021
Can I just say… my heart bounce anytime I click on an interesting looking video that’s popped up with the algorithm and I start hearing your intro. You’re def one of my favorite kpop channels. Just want to show some love
Spica failing is why I don't believe most Kpop fans when they say they love idols vocals because so many idols who can out sing the industry never got what they deserved yet idols who can't sing for the life of them get popular, its not personal opinion, most popular idols cannot sing live without being screechy, out of breath and clearly not trained at all
Maybe not related but dang, UNB and especially Uni.T could've been so big if given time like the Produce groups. They were so good but disbanded so quickly
Ugh it's such a damn shame these girls weren't even given a chance by the public. They were literally full of talent and they were my favorite girl group and no one could beat them vocally! (Except for mamamoo whom I love) I was so sad when they disbanded.
SPICA I miss them so much!!! It kills me that they are so underrated. Vocals, style, MVs, live performances ❤️❤️❤️ Tonight is one my all time favorite songs ever.
I only really knew Spica from finding You Don’t Love Me on RU-vid a couple years ago and becoming obsessed and then saddened to find out they disbanded. It really sucks to see them fail to find full success. I’m glad some of the girls are still performing!
Honestly I came into Spica officially with Secret Time and I had that on repeat for a while. They really were the vocal queens. Frankly the Korean public is really fickle when it comes to groups. If groups don’t catch the public’s attention at the start or through some vital moment, it’s up in the air whether a group succeeds or not. I do think they should’ve found a concept and stuck to it and maybe not rely on Lee Hyori that much but what can ya do
honestly i feel like why i liked spica so much is how all of their music sounded different but it was like uniquely them (kinda like how all of loonas tts and solo releases sounded so different but it all sounded like loona). i do feel like the company should've let them just really express themselves, we knew they had amazing vocals but their personalities were hidden by the company only pushing their vocals out and not getting them anything to show their personalities.
the reason why mamamoo got success is because their company knew how to market them as a vocal group but also made them show their personalities and actually promoted them
I found out about Spica when Jiwon joined The Unit and decided to check out Spica’s songs. As a fan of Mamamoo, I really liked their songs and incredible vocals. It’s so sad that they didn’t get the recognition they deserved :((
