The Humorless Fundamentalists of Social Justice | Andrew Doyle | EP 373

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Ep. 373
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Andrew Doyle discuss the intentional irrationality of far-left doctrines using religious rhetoric despite the absence of God, their paramount desire to dismantle societal structures, regardless of need or merit, the argument for transcendence inherent in the pursuit of art, and how woke culture stifles genuine expression, forcing dogma in the place of fundamental truths.
Andrew Doyle is a writer, broadcaster and comedian. His latest book is The New Puritans: How the Religion of Social Justice Captured the Western World. He is also the author of Free Speech and Why It Matters, and has written two books under the name of his satirical character Titania McGrath - Woke: A Guide to Social Justice and My First Little Book of Intersectional Activism.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:25) Intro
(1:49) Do “left” and “right” wing mean anything anymore?
(4:27) Activists or caricatures?
(5:49) Left wing authoritarianism
(12:55) Hitler’s temperament, everyone pays
(13:37) The spirit of Cain
(17:21) All the hallmarks of a fundamentalist religion
(20:35) Lens of presuppositions, in the place of God
(25:24) Milton’s Satan, power claims
(28:47) Querying society, emotionality and whim
(35:20) Teaching students to protest, the infantile world
(38:10) Where does the left go too far?
(44:05) Outsourced thinking
(45:20) Dawkins, the aftermath of the death of God
(50:00) Why the “woke” movement appeals to academics
(52:08) Do the arts move us toward a unitary spirit?
(58:54) No great art has come out of the social justice movement
(59:45) Balancing the need to survive with honest expression
(1:04:36) An artist must submit to their muse
(1:05:29) Most people are not great artists, functional hacks
(1:06:26) Sacrificing the ideal, theorists of resentment
(1:10:08) Losing the point of Shakespeare, the power of Macbeth
(1:13:44) The greatest form of tragedy, why the Passion is so impactful
(1:16:11) Harrowing hell, realizing our own malevolence
(1:20:18) The refusal of understanding
(1:24:03) When you bring the margin to the center, the snake that eats its own tail
(1:27:40) Sex reassignment is an affront to the gay community
(1:31:28) Gender ideologies have taken control
(1:34:07) The unnecessary expansion of Pride
(1:35:50) This is a spiritual battle at its core
(1:38:04) Kids pushing back through parody? Identifying as a moon
(1:40:46) This fervor might burn itself out
(1:41:30) The sudden end of COVID panic, the Canadian Freedom Convoy
(1:42:48) Will today's politicians look back and regret their role?
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@russellsharpe288 11 месяцев назад

Andrew Doyle: "When I was studying as an undergraduate for English literature, you basically got the highest marks if you problematised texts: if you went through a play and teased out the homophobic elements, or the racist elements. You'd get rewarded, almost as if you were a kind of moral detective" Or a pet dog, performing tricks for treats.

@DeltaShadowbanned 11 месяцев назад

good point, like 'positive reinforcement' even when performing negative acts

@synaesthesia4183 11 месяцев назад

Why I refuse to go back to school for a Masters. I'm not paying tens of thousands and breaking a sweat for years for some woke indoctrination garbage!

@DieBieneFranz 11 месяцев назад

Yeah, both

@nicewhenearnedrudemostlyel489 11 месяцев назад

@@oliakrist8648 why the kidding? is that not the exact literal breakdown of, in addition to being an organic display of the original comment?

@spartiate567 11 месяцев назад

When Communists try to denigrate soldiers of non-communist countries, they used to call them "running dogs." Look at the noisy student protestors working to silence any opponents of wokeism. Good little attack dogs. Good doggies!

@SirGalaEd 11 месяцев назад

"The adults have capitulated to the screaming children" Andrew Dolye. Likely the best synopsis of the current world.

@zacharyshinder940 11 месяцев назад

What's worse is many of those so-called "adults" are actively encouraging children to scream their imaginations as reality and then have the audacity to believe that that powder keg won't blowback on them.

@priceisright1580 11 месяцев назад

Great dialog here ..

@donnajohnson3334 11 месяцев назад

@@zacharyshinder940 true, that !. As a child I was taught "Where breathes a man with soul so dead, who never to himself hath said "This is my own, my native land ?". Whose heart hath ne'er within him burned as home his footsteps he hath turned from wandering on a foreign strand ?. If such there breathe, Go, mark him well. For him no minstrel raptures swell. High though his titles, proud his name, boundless his wealth as wish can claim. Disspite those titles, power and pelf, the wretch, concentered all in SELF and doubly dying shall go down to the vile dust from wince he sprung, Unwept, unhonored and unsung !." Kids are not taught the great works now.

@sawdust8691 11 месяцев назад

@persnipoles So late stage that its not liberalism anymore, but in many major ways the opposite.

@mr_b_hhc 11 месяцев назад

Absolutely. And it will make a generation of unhappy, unsure, wrong footed adults because all children crave authority and to be directed, to feel safe in a known world, they do not want to be in charge, no matter how much they may profess otherwise.

@digitalis909 11 месяцев назад

One of Dr Peterson’s best recent conversations. Andrew Doyle is more than able to keep up with Jordan’s ideas AND push back, off the cuff, with new ideas that move the conversation along in ways that few of his interviewees can achieve. I feel I could watch this one again, which is rare.

@paunaic5460 11 месяцев назад

It felt fresh to see this little pushes from the guest. Quite pleasent, and more dynamic conversation.

@stevenwilliams1805 11 месяцев назад

That's the mark of good conversation.

@bowemarch8239 11 месяцев назад

Couldn’t agree more. I’ve read the New Puritans which is great…but this conversation has really given me even more respect for Andrew.

@annal2740 11 месяцев назад

Doyle is streets ahead of Peterson, intellectually.

@sharonalbanese8084 11 месяцев назад

Totally agree. Andrew Doyle is brilliant, so well read and articulate.

@Duncanate 11 месяцев назад

"They don't want to think, thinking is the death of ideology. " Love that!

@drewid0847 11 месяцев назад

I am so thankful for people like Andrew Doyle and Jordan Peterson. We all have to find the courage to articulate our views thoughtfully and fearlessly. What is happening now is more grave than many people can fathom.

@John-uh8kl 11 месяцев назад

.., than anyone can fathom. 100%, passing over woke self district disorder, ch--a, Putler, those of a 'certain rel-----s so called faith', when th dumb acceptance of AI arose, ... ..., what was a 50/50% chance the current entire global human civilisation could survive, it all went a bit abstract. Hm, keep the faith! 🇺🇲🇬🇧🌎🌍🌏

@user-vh5np3bl2b 11 месяцев назад

use you briain

@rs.7610 11 месяцев назад

You dont need courage you just need a brain and truth

@drewid0847 11 месяцев назад

@@rs.7610 well a lot of people are not speaking up and a big part of that is lack of courage.

@offshoretomorrow3346 11 месяцев назад

Well said

@vintagekory 11 месяцев назад

Andrew’s book The New Puritans was the single best and most accessible distillation of our current cultural milieu. Just imagine having teachers this good.

@Oceanfoxy 11 месяцев назад

Reading it now can’t wait ..

@drewid0847 11 месяцев назад

I read that one so quickly. I would add The Parasitic Mind by Gad Saad, I read that one in 3 days. I usually read several books at a time as I have a short attention span but I read that one straight.

@mrt2this607 11 месяцев назад

So not like the growing general #'s of those at places like berkley? If so yes, it would do immense positives for society if more centrist, with leanings one way or the other, teachers & professors were to push out the insanity-only types. Hell, even self-defining conservatives can and do have somewhat open minds about supposed controversial topics. Might not go in totally but will often agree to a compromise. Imo, too many compromises have been either given or bought and things just kept going farther left. Now, finally some are saying No & having No compromise to offer. Can't blame though, there is a too-far on some things. As in the left's insistence of including adult hookup apps and illustrations in the sex-ed books pushed into kindergarten children's libraries.

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

Is his display in this interview indicative of the level of his book?

@dominicscott9145 11 месяцев назад

Agreed. What’s Our Problem by Tim Urban is also fantastic!

@johnhood9567 11 месяцев назад

This is a terrifying dialogue that is critically accurate in the way in which it identies the dreadful pathologies of woke culture; we badly need to have more discussions like this.

@SHelob31 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for articulating exactly what I was thinking!

@mattfoltz7752 11 месяцев назад

The thing about "woke" culture is as soon as you push back, they reveal themselves to be nothing but petulant, spoiled brats.

@frankgradus9474 11 месяцев назад

I thoroughly agree.

@MrGreasem 11 месяцев назад

Woke culture, and especially its inclusion into the LGBT scene has only made everything worse. A psychopath or sociopath across the alley appears to have been adopting cats from a local shelter and killing them to satisfy his extreme pathological insanity and he is shielded because he also engages in gay sex. My prescience tells me he'll be lynched soon.

@dalelerette206 11 месяцев назад

Anyone who claims ‘evil is necessary’ is a victim of the Manichean Heresy. Evil was NEVER necessary. Evil was CHOSEN by the devil. And this choice the devil made has led to the sin of some people being more afraid of the devil than God.

@spidgeb3292 11 месяцев назад

There is not enough praise to heap upon this podcast and the brilliant conversations that result. Watching two very smart, very well informed scholars discuss vital issues in a free-form fashion is among the most fascinating thing I've experienced. This is one thing I thank big tech for bringing to us. For all its faults, social media has been, in my opinion, a tremendous benefit for bringing these amazing conversations to the masses, and for generating debate about what social media gets wrong and why..

@sundara888whelan5 10 месяцев назад

So true! Jordan and Andrew are are treat to listen to. We are richer for them being around! And Thankyou too for your comments.

@harryaarrestad583 11 месяцев назад

I’m from the UK , and I’m very proud of Andrew Doyle !

@frankgradus9474 11 месяцев назад

Andrew Doyle is a real gem.

@oambitiousone7100 11 месяцев назад

You give us Doyle. Douglas Murray, Russel Brand, Ricky Gervais, John Cleese…

@frankgradus9474 11 месяцев назад

@@oambitiousone7100 Brendan O'Neill, GB News, spiked podcast

@toothgrinder2760 11 месяцев назад

@@oambitiousone7100 ⁠ ⁠ But they also gave us John Oliver, Prince Harry, and James Corden. Guess ya gotta take the good with the bad, the really, really bad.

@danceswithgoths 11 месяцев назад

Plus Kelly Jay Keen, Helen Joyce & Kathleen Stock.

@joshotey2967 11 месяцев назад

"Thinking is the death of ideology." - Andrew Doyle

@stvbrsn 11 месяцев назад

@@kimdejbjergjensen2201aaahhh, I see what you did there…

@thesinfulyogini2073 11 месяцев назад

I definitely wrote this down too. So simple & profound

@peterp5889 11 месяцев назад

Thinking is the end of any system=any ideology that serves a particular purpose of the system rules subjugation of humanity and individuals for material benefits=exploitation and oppression {thereby any system be it communism, Fascism or capitalism, serves as an utility of rule, exploitation, abuse of Humanity, and oppression}¶∆

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

@@kimdejbjergjensen2201agreed. Dumb comment from a not very thoughtful man. So sad that people think that insightful

@Alex-mj5dv 11 месяцев назад

I think it could be amended to something like ‘thinking clearly, playing devils advocate and seeing an issue from multiple sides .. is the death of ideology.’ That’s what he means. It’s just not quite terse enough to have the brevity for a profound soundbite haha. It’s like the somewhat tongue in cheek Hitchens’ razor, borrowing from Occam’s setup, on religious claims - ‘whatever can be asserted without evidence, can be refuted without evidence’. We know in practical debate this doesn’t work fully, but Hitch knows what he means and we know what he means in the round. Quotes and sound bites that maintain longevity are an indication to a wider maxim of how to behave or a wider claim on truth, not a complete encapsulation of such.

@annieodowd6066 11 месяцев назад

I’m so moved by this discussion- I have worked throughout my career to bring the canon to young minds- to help them to appreciate the beauty, complexity and transcendence of literature. Lately I feel as if no one is interested, no one wants to read or know. The gathering darkness to shut down, denigrate and replace with worthless pap is terrifying. Thank you for making me hope- I will try to remember your discussion on humility and bravery when I’m frightened and want to be silent. Thank you for your amazing minds and wonderful conversation

@hazchemel 10 месяцев назад

Yeah, you know book reading is uncommon, but it was also before now. I didn't know anybody who voluntarily read and never mentioned the books I read.

@franciskeys9810 11 месяцев назад

I can always tell when I'm engaged listening to a conversation like this: if I start searching google for references and then reach for my notebook and pencil, I'm all in. You got me with this one. Well done, my thanks to you both.

@farid4483 11 месяцев назад

This is gold for the intellect and common sense. I shan't say more than thank you Dr. Peterson. Truly.

@user-vh5np3bl2b 11 месяцев назад

use you briain

@seunomole679 11 месяцев назад

By their fruits you shall know them 🇳🇬

@priceisright1580 11 месяцев назад

Posh .. he used that term .. posh ...yep .. lol the topics here are very relevant to today's woke social justice societal affects ..

@loubieloujones5698 11 месяцев назад

@@priceisright1580People who hold luxury beliefs in other words. This is a top down revolution. It is being imposed.

@priceisright1580 11 месяцев назад

@loubieloujones5698 don't look now everyone is under attack ..

@superscatboy 11 месяцев назад

I only discovered Andrew Doyle last week, and have been binging on his wisdom for days. Seeing rhis appear on my feed delights me immeasurably.

@frankgradus9474 11 месяцев назад

Google and read his recent article about pride.

@JaneA544 11 месяцев назад

Andrew is a gem 💎 ✨️

@superscatboy 11 месяцев назад

@@frankgradus9474 Loved that article. The gay rights movement has been completely hijacked and I'm optimistic that the man on the Clapham omnibus is starting to notice.

@vadrudnev 11 месяцев назад

@@frankgradus9474 The left are terrible, but it doesn't mean we should make gay marriage illegal, don't you agree?

@aranisles8292 11 месяцев назад

Andrew Doyle supremely exemplifies what a good liberal arts education was supposed to do. He makes a fantastic interlocutor for Jordan Peterson.

@beattherapydotcom 11 месяцев назад

I wish Jordan wasn't so willing to interrupt him at every turn. Brilliant chat though.

@ColonelHoganStalag13 11 месяцев назад

Yeah but the failure to pursue critical thinking think philosophy and a thorough grasp of history. Literary fiction and poetry are more hobbies than an actual education. Doing a minor in one of those subjects would be fine, but pursuing a PhD in Renaissance Literature or some such degree, it an immense waste of time.

@aranisles8292 10 месяцев назад

@@ColonelHoganStalag13 Says the ultimate philistine.

@BanjoPixelSnack 10 месяцев назад

@@ColonelHoganStalag13 It sounds like you’re saying the study of Art is a waste of time. And you’re totally wrong.

@Serraainc 10 месяцев назад

I’m a 26 years old Iraqi clinical pharmacist. My name is Serraa Khaphají. And this is a message to Dr. Peterson. I’ve been a student of your teachings since 2017, and I cannot help but agree with the majority of what you teach, share, voice, and believe. The reason that got me to comment today is this: I’ve overheard my parents watching an Iraqi interview between a tv show host and an activist, discussing the concept of the ‘social gender’, and the conspicuous opinion -now- that gender includes the social, psychological, cultural and behavioral aspects of both biological genders and ‘supposedly’ other gender-identity. This ideology is being openly discussed here in Iraq, on the political front, but not yet socially. We Iraqis have the not-so-intellectual attitude to care about ‘trend’ a little bit more than necessary, and to be entirely honest, I am terrified. Iraq has been the closest thing to the host of multi-angled totalitarian despotism ever since 1978, or maybe before that. Politically, religiously, and socially, Iraq has been abused far more than what’s imaginable, and it is not getting any better, not with this. Why? Is the Left absolutely scared of their ‘theory’ falling out of proportion to the point they have to push it to another country to support it? Why this? People here have been confused as it is about raising their children since the 80s, and I know it never looked like it was getting any better (at least across my personal lifespan), but this? This where our politics still doesn’t accept homosexuality? I always agree with your notion about specifying a place to stay the hell away from, I never thought though, that this place would be my country, not to this extent. I hope this gets discussed by intellects like you, who search and seek the truth, and I hope you see this, because truly, never have I felt before to this degree, that things are spilling uncontrollably out of hands. Thank you…

@susannefiore4338 10 месяцев назад

It is absolutely concerning and needs to be pushed back with strength of intellectual common sense

@BurghezulDjentilom 11 месяцев назад

Jordan and Andrew are exactly right, we're dealing with a totalizing, gnostic religion. James Lindsay has an entire channel built on this stuff, I highly recommend it

@pharmagator 11 месяцев назад

I've listened to most of James Lindsay's talks on Gnostic Leftism and I couldn't agree more!

@dalelerette206 11 месяцев назад

Radicals on both the Right and Left feel they are so superior they need to 'share' with NOBODY, very self-centered. To prosecute is to bring legal action against for redress or punishment of a crime or violation of law. To persecute is to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically: to cause to suffer because of belief. It's strange how these words are so easily conflated depending who is 'in charge'. The only thing I respect is when people reciprocate genuine kindness in proportion to what they are gifted with. I have a LOT of gifts so I give a LOT of gifts. If someone I give to does not have much, I do not expect much in return. We need to reciprocate energy in proportion to what we are given. Distributism advocates 'family ownership' of property and the means of production. “The family that prays together stays together.” - Father Peyton - The Rosary Priest All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God’s grace was so powerfully at work in them all that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. Acts 4:32-35

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

They are often saying the opposite thing. How can they both be right?

@BurghezulDjentilom 11 месяцев назад

@@dalelerette206 You have a great point that I'd like to add to. Charity without showboating is helpful to the needy, but only ever up to a point, and nowadays is often self aggrandizing and actually selfish, as you've pointed out. Helping the needy to achieve independence from charity and perhaps be in a good position to help others in turn is the real goal. The teachings of Christ seem to be highly effective, even if you're a "cold calculating atheist scientist" type. You just have to recognize them as such, otherwise you risk becoming like Sam Harris - smart and competent but morally hollow. That hollow is where this gnostic religion will find a home and fester.

@creed22solar123 11 месяцев назад

@@BurghezulDjentilom give the man a fish you feed him for a day, teach him to fish and you feed him for a lifetime.

@adriennew623 11 месяцев назад

One thing, I’m a scientist, I do research at a major university in the US. I know many other scientists who think as I do. We will not let our professions go down without a fight

@JaneA544 11 месяцев назад

Good for you

@alescolamar1945 11 месяцев назад

One honest scientist is too many Keep up the good work, be truthful always It brings so much hope to humanity and existence

@markparris3890 11 месяцев назад

Make it a good fight, whatever you do. Good luck

@DrDeuteron 11 месяцев назад

It’s already over for science.

@v1kt0u5 11 месяцев назад

One of your best episodes! Thank you, Jordan and Andrew. This is GOLD for humanity

@sundara888whelan5 10 месяцев назад

Indeed gold! And better than the other kind!! Many fold!!!

@Dailyfreedomfighter7788 11 месяцев назад

This conversation is somewhat an art in itself.

@elainemaxfield2978 11 месяцев назад

This was a great discussion. Showing the truth that if we talk about our views and stances, we have more in common and agreement than otherwise made to believe by those in power.

@peterp5889 11 месяцев назад

Communist will pretend friend and stab you behind Rob you, while Nazi capitalist will rob you openly... that is so true Jordan !

@oli2805 11 месяцев назад

It's great to have both of you on the side of humanity. Without you the current madness would feel far more insufferable and desperate.

@lesleybthedapperkiwi 11 месяцев назад

Andrew Doyle is the thought leader we need to hear more of - especially in conversation and intelligent debate. 👏👏👏

@caroldixon3124 11 месяцев назад

A fabulous podcast as I love Andrew Doyle. I totally agree with his views on left and right. After working in academia all my life and considered myself left wing until the woke movement made it about imposing their infantile ideologies on everyone else. I now feel politically homeless and very disengaged.

@helihobbit 11 месяцев назад

as long as that spark of ordinary decency was within, you made it home.

@16m49x3 11 месяцев назад

The issue with the left is the lies it tells itself. It claims to be about helping the weakest in society get back on their feet and not catering to the will of the powerful. This sounds like something noble. It's hard to argue against But reality is in every single way Instead it is about celebrating weakness and tearing anyone strong down. Even if the weak are just pretending or the strong just seem that way on paper

@spidgeb3292 10 месяцев назад

Take comfort in the fact that you're not alone; in fact, you're in some very good company.

@macanbhaird1966 11 месяцев назад

Iain McGilchrist has hit the nail on its head (in The Master and His Emissary). To paraphrase him "The rational mind is a faithful servant, the intuitive mind is a sacred gift. We have created a society that honours the servant".

@John-uh8kl 11 месяцев назад

Macandbaird ;3++£;¢°¥✓$, yes!!!

@afairlyclassybartender8576 11 месяцев назад

Thanks for the reminder on this quote.

@siyaindagulag. 11 месяцев назад

He adds : "This is what the world would look like If the emissary betrayed the master. It's hard to resist the conclusion that his goal is within sight". (p.434).

@charliesmith_ 12 дней назад

🎯👏💫

@DGTandTKT 11 месяцев назад

Every time I see a new video from JP I get really excited! Listening now as I do my housework. 💕

@MEA5755 11 месяцев назад

What an absolutely fascinating discussion from two very thoughtful and intelligent people. It gives me hope that we will overcome the craziness that the world has become. Thank you.

@DocnoXXX 11 месяцев назад

What I particularly like about Andrew here is that he calls Peterson out on his crazier ruminations and speculations (which have become more and more florid over time). It’s just what Peterson needs because he tends to be surrounded by sycophants who let him float away into his over-symbolic hyperbole… But Andrew called him on it multiple times, which kept the conversation more grounded than usual. Kudos.

@sharonalbanese8084 11 месяцев назад

That's true. Maybe it's because he's one of the few people who can match it with him intellectually.

@tasticillumi 11 месяцев назад

Spot on Doc. I find him hard to listen to now. I came here for Andrew Doyle, 10 mins in…already had Cane and Abel and now just waiting for an angel with a flaming penis.

@sundara888whelan5 10 месяцев назад

I’m not so sure about your comments my friend. Jordan and Andrew both have very unique and gifted insight, and perspectives which can enrich us all, and l believe here they were able to do so, and complement each other it seemed to me. And l notice you didn’t allude to any of Jordan’s “crazier ruminations and speculations.” In fairness to Jordan, these l believe should be named and left for us to consider carefully, rather than left as vague accusations unnamed, which l believe contributes in some measure to some of the problems we see about us today. It is easy to point the finger!

@DocnoXXX 10 месяцев назад

@@sundara888whelan5 Re Jordan's 'crazier ruminations and speculations', I thought they were obvious, but perhaps not. So here are a few examples: Near that start, Andrew corrected Jordan in his claim that only people on the left mask their evil intentions and actions under the guise of compassion and helping others. Andrew corrects him with: "is that really the case? If you take the example of the Third Reich, etc" and explains how the Nazis justified a lot of their actions on the grounds of protecting the interests and well-being of the (ethnic) German people. Jordan's response: "fair enough, man" [Now, Jordan wasn't yet getting up full speculative speed ... no mention of Jung, for example]. Later, Jordan claims that for leftists, "group identity is paramount, but full licentiousness on the personal front ... is also requisite" Then he goes on an extended monologue on possible replacements for God that has Andrew quite confused. Andrew: "Let me understand what you're saying here... what do you mean by licentiousness ... after all, they're quite prescriptive aren't they". Then Andrew proceeds to explain his view in a more straightforward way. Then Jordan suggests that maybe the Post-Modernists (using Foucault as an example) intentionally sought to undermine society to give them license to pursue their hedonistic desires. Andrew: "Are you suggesting they created this theoretical framework in order to justify that behaviour? [Foucault's pedophilia]" Then Jordan stutters "I don't know... I waver ... maybe the causation is interactive". In other words, Jordan is making this stuff up as he goes along repeatedly can't defend his position (as if he expected each speculation to simply be endorsed). Later again, Jordan asks "are the Arts a manifestation of a unitary spirit" (classic Petersonian language), and Andrew responds "I couldn't profess to know..." then again brings the conversation back down to earth. I could offer more examples, but just to show I'm not simply 'pointing the finger'...

@margaretqueenofscots9450 10 месяцев назад

@@DocnoXXXI read that simply as their approaching the issue from different angles. Jordan specifically says he’s unsure what his conclusion is on the motivations, and his comments were simply a thinking out loud sort of thing. IMO they’re well matched intellectually, and by that I mean complimentary, not alike, and it made for a great conversation.

@Andantalas 11 месяцев назад

Daily Wire crew, you did an amazing job! The cinematography, lighting, audio, and design composition draw the viewer into a beauty which is almost surreal. The responsiveness of the latency is minimal to the point of nonexistence, so much so that these two were able to have a boisterous back-and-forth at full speed without us in the audience noticing a lag. What a masterpiece, Bravo!

@buckhorncortez 11 месяцев назад

Didn't you say the same thing about a video of an airplane crash last week...?

@lawerancemorrow8774 11 месяцев назад

Yes, the daily wire crew are really on top of their game

@78consecratedcardsofart78 11 месяцев назад

It’s wonderful to listen to a grounded and sane discussion.

@mijlaid 11 месяцев назад

Couldn't agree more!

@iwenolongertrustliars9396 11 месяцев назад

The bottom line honest truthful reality is that there is a portion of rulers that are insane, evil, selfish, scammers, liars, abusers, poison users to gain advatages over others, thieves, slave classes keepers, abusers and torturing killers. They're bribing others to do insane bad to terrible things that are very bad to humaity and the earth. Everyone knows if you do horrible things you get punished or eventually will be locked up or executed to protect children, adults, the elderly, humaity as a whole and the earths survival timeline. Don't fool others and yourselves that people are not doing huge amounts of bad to terrible things and hiding behind every deception, all the tricks & scams they can come up by with, fear threats terrorism, violating human rights, violating real working laws constantly and their bribed evil helpers get paid or tricked and fear threatened into helping or allowing it. Just stop violating human rights and matching always working in history congruent laws to make insane nonsense end. Pass it on on please and thank you!

@fritznien 11 месяцев назад

So, you think you got that from somebody who can seriously talk about redistributing income? This is an authoritarian who has not got the courage of his evil. He wants you to compliment him on his moderateness.

@milliewoo337 11 месяцев назад

Yes! Medicine! To all the senses!!

@topotheworld1589 11 месяцев назад

@@fritznienimplacable humor has flawed too few who have failed to see the funny side of duped because it is too relished blankly vapidly and at a childish rate of dishonest contenptibility...I would hand it over to my own guarantees if I thought human technology had no viable exchange.

@melissaharnish9094 11 месяцев назад

Hello Jordan, I only recently found your site and I watched a couple of your videos over the past couple days and I just wanted to thank you. I find you to be extremely intelligent, thoughtful, introspective, and open minded and willing to thoughtfully consider other viewpoints. I sincerely appreciate the platform you have created, one that hopefully gets people, thinking, and questioning, and looking at the world differently. In a world as divided, as ours is now what you were doing is so very needed an important and I thank you.

@user-ye3zf7zh4u 11 месяцев назад

I’ve watched Andrew many times and never realised what a deep thinker he is.

@hubrisnaut 11 месяцев назад

I didn't know he had a doctorate in English literature before this interview. Always liked the guy as a comedian and a commenter on social issues. This is your grandparents gay dude.

@msvalderrama1 11 месяцев назад

I have read Doyle’s The New Puritans a few times since its release. It’s brilliant.

@justindumond3281 11 месяцев назад

Dr Peterson’s recent podcasts have been mindblowingly informative, provocative, and insightful. Jordan, if you ever read this, I want you to know I truly appreciate the work you do

@lawerancemorrow8774 11 месяцев назад

He really has been excelling for the last while

@NotNowCato1254 5 месяцев назад

Andrew's clarity of thought and ability to articulate this clearly matches that of Jordan, making for an absorbing, thought-provoking and thoroughly entertaining discussion. Bravo gentlemen 👏

@mikedowning4869 11 месяцев назад

1:20:46 I was traumatised by the idea of the Holocaust when I was young. I had dreams about it and had to keep it in a space at the back of my mind. While I had some therapy during my 20's, the therapist posited the idea that maybe I was on the other side of the fence. One of the most enlightening things anybody ever said to me.

@mario11115 10 месяцев назад

Wow that, my friend, hit me. I think he did touch the sensitive part there.

@mexican8531 11 месяцев назад

I watch your videos for guidance and or just information. People hate talking and especially listening. I've dealt with mental health issues and you sir has help me and I'm not sure how. God bless Jordan Petterson .

@Greyghost760 11 месяцев назад

Jordan has a great interview style. And I really enjoy his truths.

@anthonydavinci7985 11 месяцев назад

My friend , be patient it takes time to learn and gain wisdom. Each new understanding more valuable than diamonds and gold.

@newenglandgal359 11 месяцев назад

Gratifying to read the comments and see how many people appreciate and are hungry for these type of conversations.

@andyhamlett8814 11 месяцев назад

This was an astonishing affirmation of some of the conclusions I’ve been forming over the last few years. Thank you.

@estherdoyle6552 11 месяцев назад

Excellent discussion between two major intellectuals. It is good to have this level of discussion as the 'gender wars' are far from over and the need to rise above it is intellugent discussion.

@cocksureness 11 месяцев назад

“In order to defeat it, it has to be comprehended” .. words of wisdom.

@SugaryPhoenixxx 11 месяцев назад

James Lindsay has a better grasp on the core of wokism than anyone else i have seen. He has a channel on youtube called "New Discourses". I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand the origins & the goals of the new woke ideology/religion.

@Gorbyrev 11 месяцев назад

Brilliant conversation. As someone with orthodox Christian views on human sexuality I am intruiged by how many contemporary voices of wisdom are coming from gay men. I am deeply thankful for Andrew Doyle's insight and courage and for the depth of this discussion.

@danielbaker1190 11 месяцев назад

And yet, he has no solutions because he still refuses to believe in God and still believes in Gay marriage and the normalizing of the fringe and worshipping art. He is unable to accept that his views are the problem.

@S.D.323 11 месяцев назад

@@danielbaker1190belief isn't a choice and neither is sexuality

@danielbaker1190 11 месяцев назад

@ShazDugan - "belief isn't a choice." lol, what a pathetic idea. What I expect from the anti-human left.

@steve112285 11 месяцев назад

@@danielbaker1190 Belief isn't a choice. You don't choose whether you find arguments convincing or not. It just happens in your brain. Of course, you could choose to look solely at arguments for one side of an issue, avoiding arguments for other sides, and in that way bias yourself towards belief on that side. But it's a dishonest belief in that case. For an honest belief, the strength of the arguments matters (and varies based on the individual mind, due to differing biology and environment/history).

@danielbaker1190 11 месяцев назад

@steve112285 - of course, another anti-human leftist. You really like to support each other. Like I said, your idea that humans can not choose is truly pitiable. Not much else say, I lifted both of you in prayer.

@jeffreyyoungblood7438 11 месяцев назад

This should be required listening for every college arudent and corporate employee.

@jts8651 10 месяцев назад

After listening to many, many JBP interviews over several years, I have to say that this interview and discussion was one of the best. Kudos!

@YuyiLeal 11 месяцев назад

We need to find creative ways to bring back Humility as a central virtue, as a pillar that can sustain us all.🙏

@evanbrooks8737 11 месяцев назад

Exemplify it and pray to God it catches on

@sharonlouise9759 11 месяцев назад

I could have listened to an extended conversation for hours. Fantastic program!

@jamesmccallum6770 11 месяцев назад

The inability of the majority of people to frame discourse outside of 'left' & 'right' is so frustrating. Hasn't the last few years shown us so many examples of people who opinions don't fit these dated categories?

@user-tc7lb6rr4r 11 месяцев назад

Andrew is awesome, and puts it on all the line for sanity! Thanks to the both of you, great debate!

@Theatre_of_Thought 11 месяцев назад

The sharpest brick in the tree dude. For true!! Love what you’re doing here, genuinely. Laughter is the light that pierces through darkness. So thank you 🙏🏼

@YoursTrulyTwentyNinetyFive 11 месяцев назад

This was one of the best JP shows ever great guest spot on!

@MrElliptific 11 месяцев назад

What a superb dialogue. That's the first time I feel so elated by the ideas that are exchanged in a long time. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Dr. Doyle.

@curtiscollins3318 11 месяцев назад

Interviewing John McWhorter about his book entitled Woke Racism would be a great addition to this subject.

@Nettamorphosis 11 месяцев назад

“There’s a part of you that would literally dwell in hell before you could rescue yourself from it.” Powerful words.

@Fuckgoogle-tg5kz 11 месяцев назад

Weirdly, there's a pride and comfort in it

@Fuckgoogle-tg5kz 11 месяцев назад

Our species and the human experience is a complicated ol' thing huh guy's

@Nettamorphosis 11 месяцев назад

@@Fuckgoogle-tg5kz for sure! Funny username btw.

@JoshWiniberg 11 месяцев назад

Great to see Andrew back, one of my favourite guests.

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

Don't be mean. You shouldn't take joy in other peoples suffering

@templeofbalance 11 месяцев назад

Interesting, and I really enjoy when these conversations turn towards art. For me, I continue creating, helping, driving and living from as real perspective as I can, and I don't give a fig about the gatekeepers or even trying to get past them anymore, I care about my customers - the ones who buy my art. These are the ones who support my art for me to be able to live and continue creating, and I am very grateful to be doing this quietly for over 18yrs now with huge thanks to the internet. Great conversation, thank you from Tasmania.

@jettman60 11 месяцев назад

Loved the whole conversation. I would recommend listening to this to everyone I don't care what side of religion or politics you are on everyone if they have the capacity to use an open mind you will be enriched by it. Again thanks for speaking up and not being afraid to speak the truth.

@RoddyFuhr 11 месяцев назад

According to James Lindsay, woke communism isn't just metaphorically a religion. Karl Marx's teachings are actually based on Hegel's teachings, which are based on gnosticism and hermeticism, the latter of which is an ancient Greek religion that has esoterically survived to this day.

@michaelkinville177 11 месяцев назад

That premise James brought forward recently has given me much pause for thought.

@RoddyFuhr 11 месяцев назад

@@michaelkinville177 The fact that woke communism is a religion is especially relevant as it pertains to the separation between church and state.

@michaelkinville177 11 месяцев назад

Jordon references the ouroboros many times. I doubt that he's ignorant of its gnostic symbolism.

@RoddyFuhr 11 месяцев назад

@@michaelkinville177 It's likely Jordan knows. He had James on his podcast recently. Andrew referred to wokism as analogous to a religion. I think he's hung up on the fact that they don't believe in God. Buddhists don't believe in God. It's not a requirement for a religion.

@ADVtheMISSIONARY 11 месяцев назад

And its funny(not funny) how well Nazism aligns with Gnosticism

@nata.galvez.m 11 месяцев назад

This was a wonderful, spectacular and very important conversation. We should be talking about these issues with this amount of depth, playfulness and openness. I enjoyed this conversation so much, thank you both for this… what is the word, I don’t want to say “food for thought” because I feel it was at least a feast, but more like ambrosia or something of the sort… 😂 truly amazing and highly enjoyable, one of my favorite for sure ❤

@Speakingtruth2024 11 месяцев назад

Excellent discussion. I'm grateful to be able to watch important , informative, and brilliantly conveyed information ! Thank you gentleman.

@MyrtletheTurtle3867 11 месяцев назад

Listening to Andrew Doyle is always a relief.

@free2beemee 11 месяцев назад

What a fantastic discussion. It’s nice to listen to level headed, intelligent individuals discuss the problems we’re facing as a community, nation, even many parts of the world. Strange times, indeed.

@marierhodes9675 11 месяцев назад

I'm very happy i got the DW membership a while ago because I am absolutely fascinated by this conversation! You two bring out excellent thinking in one another. Well done!

@onbored9627 11 месяцев назад

Thank you to Andrew Doyle and Dr. Peterson for this discussion.

@ColinWilsonOnline 11 месяцев назад

Andrew, I've said it before after your Trig YT, you're just a brilliant, caring, free, studied, articulate mind. The best social commentator. Thanks to JP (who I've also seen live) for having you and risking having your brilliance exposed as exceeding even his 😊. Invaluable episode for societal future. At the same time we do also need a positive, coherent political vision for freedom and fairness and care now, addressing the genuine concerns of the left and needs of the poor/bullied.

@WhidbeyMP 11 месяцев назад

Such an interesting discussion! So many times I wanted to be in there sharing thoughts! I agree with your ideas on Macbeth- Studied it in high school as a teenage girl and was rather horrified at the subconscious fear that he could be me…. Later it took me realizing my actions were ‘worthy of hell’ to be saved. We really have awful and wonderful potential in us.

@loubieloujones5698 11 месяцев назад

I studied it too and felt the same.

@JD_Land 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for over 60 minutes of sanity and enlightenment.

@sweebos 11 месяцев назад

Wonderful conversation. Lots of back and forth that made an interesting flow that was fun to follow. Again, thanks for sharing these. ✌️

@chrissparrowhawk 11 месяцев назад

I do so enjoy the podcasts where Dr Peterson is so deep into the present whilst mulling over the just discussed and at the same time looking toward the next. He was like this with Vervaeke a while ago and I think he and Doyle will become fast friends. They just think at the same speed and at the same level and as neither are a pushover, enriching each other is inevitable! They will speak many times I’m sure.

@lukebarnes4552 11 месяцев назад

Thank you Jordan for bringing Andrew onto the show. It’s inspiring to see two people with, in some ways, very different political opinions elucidate the truth in a respectful, honorable manner. “That’s how people with different opinions settle their opinions in a civil society.”

@pgronemeier 11 месяцев назад

Except, I'll bet, they didn't settle anything

@mayanboricua 11 месяцев назад

@@pgronemeier They found common ground on a wide variety of issues. Unlike the puritanical Leftoids, mature adults don't HAVE to control every little belief of other people. That would be fascist. Authoritarian. Totalitarian.

@free2beemee 11 месяцев назад

@@pgronemeier I think they found common ground on many things and took into account each others perspectives. Two intelligent men with varying views have typically been able to sort out their differences and meet somewhere in the middle. The inability to communicate and compromise for the betterment of society is a rather new ill that’s fallen particularly hard on the west through ideologues. The quicker people recognize it for what it is and who is controlling their very thoughts, the easier it will be for us as a society to stop the dehumanizing of any one group. I’d like to believe everyone is smarter than to allow that, although lately it’s been difficult to tell.

@pgronemeier 11 месяцев назад

@@free2beemee No. ONE intelligent man BECAUSE he was able to 'see the light'. The other man is not. MAYBE in time. But not now. The word "compromise" is if you want McDonald's. I want burger king. And we COMPROMISE on Wendy's. One SHOULDN'T compromise between right and wrong/good and evil. "Common ground" is if we agree we both like air. Like I posted with my own comment, I stopped this at the 4 minute mark. There was no need to see people agree to disagree. It sounds scholarly. But it solved nothing!

@pgronemeier 11 месяцев назад

Just like one can disagree with what I just said. I know I'm right. One might know I'm wrong. Talking together for 2 hours isn't going to convince either one of us. So it 'solved' nothing

@RictaScale.Official 11 месяцев назад

2 brilliant fellows. Excellent. I've only ever uploaded 1 video to RU-vid - a thank you message to JBP for the impact he has had on my life.

@chelseapoet3664 11 месяцев назад

Absolutely brilliant. Two of my favourite thinkers.

@BrianimeniaK 11 месяцев назад

This was absolutely riveting! I could’ve listened contently for at least another hour if not more!

@heygoober1653 11 месяцев назад

A very engaging conversation. Thank you Dr. Peterson and Mr. Doyle

@MrFlightDirector 11 месяцев назад

Incredible discussion! (The adults have gone along with the childish delusions in a similar situation as the Salem witch trials - I’ve felt that to be true for a long time!)

@jebjeb1498 11 месяцев назад

Fantastic discussion.Andrew was on fire and loved Jordan's insight.Many thanks.

@ashman167 11 месяцев назад

What a poweful conversation. Love Andrew Doyle.

@honeykira8210 11 месяцев назад

Another great and refreshing interview! Thank you, Dr. Peterson and author Andrew Doyle! ❤️ 🇨🇦 ❤️

@Whatsacody 11 месяцев назад

Andrew is a boss, I love listening to him speak.

@merrymac3785 11 месяцев назад

Another brilliant video. And like all Dr Peterson's discussions, will be even better on the 2nd and 3rd watching.

@dailydols 11 месяцев назад

When I was a child (80s) I was confronted with a thread "When I am done with you, you won't even know if you are a girl or boy anymore!" and though "What can one do to me that I don't even know about me being girl or boy anymore???" Now I understand better that it is even possible to do such a thing to a whole generation.

@YuyiLeal 11 месяцев назад

Outstanding conversation!👏😊💖

@Ringba_94 11 месяцев назад

This was a very informative video I am fisherman from Nova Scotia I am a Christian and believe in traditional morals and values .I wish to help young people sober up and get off drugs most people these days alot focus is on the academic side of Rehabilitation or viewing covid 19 as the only problem but among young people Drugs are at epidemic levels across Canada as well world wide regardless of political positions or opinions us young people look for hopeful inspiration for positive change. Christian views are often repressed or misrepresented.Your explanation of Cain and Able has a discipline and expectations that most young people without Grace and clear instruction don't receive .this video refers to young people as infant and us trying in infancy I agree with your statements. My opinion In family dinamics if a baby tries to walk we congratulate the babe for trying evan if they fall I believe as Christians we should always share the same love and Grace when I consider other concepts of Faith such as the Fear of the Lord I understand it as being movtivated to love my neighbours and Love God by not misrepresenting his love and never deny his Grace of new beginnings.When I see older folks using the Bible to condemn it demonstrates they missed the message of the Golden Rule or the Heart of the law (justice,Mercy and Good Faith) I pray all I going good for you and thank you for your wisdom on modern times challenging subjects ❤Brady Ring, Nova Scotia .in future videos could you please explain in more practical approaches to help young people addressing drugs personally Christianity helped me with letting go of Alcohol and other habits .How has traditional Christian views impacted you with helping young people with drugs? I ask because I really wanna help . I lost a bunch of friends to overdose and other issues related to intoxication (DUI) I don't ever wanna be a social justice warrior or misrepresented by other terms related .thanks for your time I recommend the Book written by "David Wilkerson " "the Cross and SwitchBlade" I found his testimony inspiring helping young people like me I'm age 29 ❤❤❤God Bless ❤❤❤

@elusivemayfly7534 11 месяцев назад

This is truly beautiful, Brady. I can feel the Holy Spirit radiating His light from your comment. I am adding you and your mission to my daily prayer list. God is moving with and through you! Praise God. Your comment really encouraged me. - your sister in Christ, K

@georginawhitby1320 11 месяцев назад

Brady Ring, you might also or alternatively consider being able provide some part of support for young men who have escaped transition ( detransitioners). I can imagine some kind of program including boats and fishing might be great as part of that.

@rogerwilkinson344 11 месяцев назад

Hello Brady, I work in a Christian rehab centre. It has the big advantage that the guys, mostly coming off drugs, are completely removed from the world - no drugs, no tobacco, nothing, and are subject to the disciplines of communal life including work. Gradually many of the guys begin to accept fundamental Bible truths and they slowly begin to change. Those who stick the process leave as new men. In your situation though, it probably helps to know that drugs are not the main problem - drugs are the symptom of emotional turmoil, and the emotional turmoil in the end is a symptom of being spiritually lost. Help needs to be applied at all three levels - physical (get off drugs), emotional (get some stability and kindness; deal with anger), and spiritual (get hold of some truth). I notice that you are 29. You would be amazed how many guys reach the end of the road and look for help at around the age of 28. That's when they find that life is not working, and suddenly their brains are mature enough to see this.

@catsandcrows8880 11 месяцев назад

You're a good man ❤

@broimp 6 месяцев назад

What shear joy it was to hear this discussion. I am so lucky and grateful for these great thinkers.

@bonniehamilton2147 11 месяцев назад

I have looked up to Dr. Peterson for a long time, he has my support, but I have a new admiration for Andrew Doyle....God speed my friends.

@dmonmaney7153 11 месяцев назад

Starting a discussion, working through differences in thought, and then continuing to explore the twists and turns is so enlighteming. Best way to start the day!

@MikeWalker 11 месяцев назад

What a brilliant conversation. Ask each other questions. Listen to each other. Challenge each other. In the spirit of shared dialogue. Thank you both. Wonderful.

@moondiamonde2499 11 месяцев назад

"The fringe of the fringe is devouring the fringe." - Thank you Jordan! Yes, the more letters they add, the closer they come to an implosion.

@andmargbosanquet3181 11 месяцев назад

What a great conversation from two of the heroes of our times.

@That_random_horse_gifl 11 месяцев назад

Thank you for your clarity and insights. You and your guests are a shining light in this darkness

@dalelerette206 11 месяцев назад

The light shines in the darkness but the darkness has not overcome it. Saint Augustine was one of the big ones who pointed to this passage in Genesis 3: 3-5 as talking about the fall of the Adversary. And many theologians felt the devil, "the bearer of light", was trying to outshine God. If one trying to outshine the Lord then they are trying to become (or replace) the Lord's reflection.

@fifidownunda 11 месяцев назад

Such a wonderful conversation! Thank you to you both 🙏 The importance of great art in all of its forms shouldn't be undervalued. This has been somewhat lost in modern western culture . . . the potential outcome is devastating.

@MN-hf7ml 11 месяцев назад

Listening to thoughtful and intelligent conversations such as this is slaking the minds thirst with spring water, after trekking through the desert of the soulless mainstream (Well, more of a forced march really). Thank you ❤

@sundara888whelan5 10 месяцев назад

Loved the analogy 😊♦️❤️

@MrFlightDirector 11 месяцев назад

This is an excellent discussion. I think this is the fifth time I’ve listened to it.

@art-hadis 11 месяцев назад

I love what Dr. Peterson said about artists. I am an artist and sometimes I feel ashamed of being an artist and I can't understand why artists support this ideology.

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

Because most artists fail and they need someone to blame for that. That's why they are easily manipulated.

@BurghezulDjentilom 11 месяцев назад

most artists are very left-brained (literally, not necessarily left wing) so don't in fact use their reason much, not with things that provoke an emotional reaction, which they are much more equipped to handle and perceive. I am an artist too, but also a scientist - physics specifically. A balance is what you need, even if it might cost you a bit of that crazy unfettered creativity. I suspect you're much the same, since you're here listening to the good doctor :)

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

@@BurghezulDjentilom absolute gibberish. Where do you get this nonsense?

@free2beemee 11 месяцев назад

@@criticalcommenter🙄

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

@@free2beemee good input. Can't even tell what you are upset about

@jennymcgowin9140 11 месяцев назад

I loved this intelligent conversation! Great interview Andrew and Jordan!

@criticalcommenter 11 месяцев назад

When does it start? I'm 45 mins in and Doyle has just rambled on and on without making a single point yet! Never admired Peterson's patience so much

@eprespacal1 9 месяцев назад

Sensational discussion gentleman. Thank you very much.

@staffofdagda6238 11 месяцев назад

This interview has really opened up my mind. thank you.

@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers 11 месяцев назад

This has been one of your best ever episodes, in my opinion. If I could choose a single conversation to beam into the minds of everyone in the Western world, this would be a strong contender.

@YuyiLeal 11 месяцев назад

I love love the William Blake example - such a wonderful artist and visionary!

@yahfreee 11 месяцев назад

😮 hey

@marycomstock5793 11 месяцев назад

Gentlemen, brilliant conversation on the dead serious nature of the topic. Two comments: 1) the notion of humanism is not going to get us very far, as humanism "gives prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters...emphasizes common human needs, and seeks solely rational ways of solving human problems." Humanism is one ladder rung above Darwinism, and if we don't have these conversations in light of the Truth of our creation and relationship to our Creator, then we have a harder time seeing everyone as valuable, having needs and being willing to assist others without government intervention or force ("...St. Joan prized the gift of her virginity and defended it. She knew her dignity as a human being, her worth as a woman. From her example, we learn not to sell ourselves cheap, but to remember that Our Lord shed His Precious Blood for each of us-and no one is allowed to trample on the rights that flow from our human nature and from our supernatural dignity as children of God." The Holy Bread of Eternal Life, Dr. Peter Kwasniewski). 2) the comments on women and girls needing electricity to escape the drudgery of housework, to liberate intelligence and productivity are feminism at its core and smack of the Marx/Engels program (founded on that same Darwinism ) to destroy the family as the foundation of society, by main part separating wife and mother from the home. If you want to say that electricity aids wife and mother to perform home tasks more effectively and efficiently to have more time to spend with and aid husband and children, all well and good. But to denigrate the God instituted role of woman as heart of the home is offensive and blind to Truth.