Holy fuck how did it take me till now to realize she tells him she’s going to dig up some Katniss, and he never sees her again. Then comes Katniss 60 fucking years later to destroy his empire.
even in the movie i feel like he wasimagining things because of the snake bite...her running away, the footprints and the last song@@Lady-Seashell-Bikini
If you pay attention you can see how Snow is only about himself...a lot of people think he's some genuine protagonist in this movie but I think they actually did a great job with the subtle narcissism in the first and second half. 💜 They might have made him too attractive though lol 🤣
@@lyssalovesit When I saw it, the only thing I was rooting for, was hoping he would make the good decisions. I'm not someone who would root for someone to go down the wrong path. To be honest though, I don't see how he's really attractive. I don't know maybe he's too blond for me
If you're wondering why Coriolanus Snow inherits the Plinth fortune I'm pretty sure it's cause the Plinths knew Snow was friends with their son Sejanus, but they didn't know he was the reason for his death. Then after their son died they just decided that Snow inherit their fortune, cause he was the closest friend to their only son.
Either that or in some sick twisted way they are “grateful” to Corio because he got rid of the one blemish in their reputation. He seemed to be the only one in the family to not want to be capital. If he’s gonna disgrace the family by consorting with rebels they’d rather want him dead than trying to cover it up with their money, further cheapening their name. If that makes sense.
@@jules6578 Nah, they definitely just got played by Snow and thought he was a good friend to their Sejanus. Little do they know. It really showed how fucked up Snow was
@@tmm4195 I agree that my other theory is slightly more dark than needs be. But Mr Plinth was slightly suspicious of Corio, or at least interested in him. There is a moment in the book where Mr plinth and Snow meet. They are very much cut from the same cloth. One example is when Mr Plinth doesn’t accept a drink from Coriolanus, saying he doesn’t drink at all. Coriolanus is pretty much against drinking because he feels is clouds his mind. Mr Plinth also is very aware that the Snow’s have lost their fortune, which is why he’s more mindful of his friendship with Sejanus. Mr Plinth mentions Corio’s father, saying their business had overlapped and they had met before, since both were involved with munitions, but he doesn’t seem to like him. He tells Corio he’s different from his father. Mr Plinth spoke highly of Corio’s mother. It seemed like Corio’s father is what Mr Plinth aspired to be, a munitions tycoon settled in the capital with a respectable name. Not saying Plinth really wanted Sejanus dead, but he much preferred Coriolanus as a son to Sejanus. He probably wanted to elevate his status by in a way that “adopting” or supporting a respectable family to earn brownie points in the capital and have their name be associated with an original capital family. He also probably saw Corio’s hunger for success and saw his potential for greatness.
Snow is way too likable in the movie, in the book it’s clear how narcissistic and manipulative he is the whole time😭 like, he uses his good looks to charm everyone. And it obviously works bc Tiktok simps for him like crazy (Edit: y’all he wasn’t likable in the movie, but he was _too_ likable. I just mean that in the book it’s way more obvious how selfish and nasty he is)
I think that’s the point. Even in the books. He had empathy for his classmates and showed him caring for others at times. I think the idea is that we should wrestle with what influences evil and not just go based off of thinking some people are born evil and some are not. We see him make steps all along the way. But even in the book, he goes back and forth and struggles until he just keeps stepping over line. Imo, they made changes in movie that painted him more clearly making conscious choice to step over the line. For instance, Bobbins death in the book was dark and chaotic and he didn’t know he killed him. That was portrayed as self defense. In the movie, the change made it VERY clear that Snow killed him when the boy was no longer a threat. To me, I think they did well showing or having Snow say the things he was thinking so it’s perplexing to hear folks feel like he was portrayed as good. I’m like did yall not listen to the bigoted statements he made in this movie? 😅 I think folks are struggling because he’s attractive and we are conditioned to struggle finding attractive people as “bad”. There are literally studies with kids who look at white and Black Barbie dolls and asked which one is good and bad. It’s actually quite brilliant to see this translated on screen but I can’t stand folks blaming the lack of inner dialogue when this dude was a walking red flag through most of the movie.
@@DovesEyes623he had slight empathy for some, but even with Arachne, he was happy for people to think he cared for her like a sister, but in his head he was mocking her death and said it was a consequence of “cheap laughs” and thought her funeral recognising her as a hero was laughable. He only really cared that everyone in the capitol saw him trying to save her.
@@davidfairweather3301exactly! There was clear disdain for the districts and some of his peers which made us understand how he became the dictator he was
maybe it's because i read the book. but i read the book a long time before watching the movie but... the movie is subtle in the red flags but it's not non-existent.
to answer some of your questions 1. coriolanus is poor because after his father and mother died during the war their family essentially lost everything, they still have their capital apartment and their good name but that's all that they have. 2. there aren't necessarily just singers hanging around district twelve, lucy gray is covey, which is a community/culture of traveling musicians. the peacekeepers forced them to stay in twelve a few years before the movie's events. 3. not only did they keep the tributes in a zoo, but they also had the VET tend to them!!! that's why jessup's bat bite got so bad, because the person meant to treat him was trained to deal w/ animals 4. coriolanus always calls her lucy gray rather than lucy because it's a covey thing to be double named. the first name from a ballad, the second name from a color. lucy gray's first and second name came from the same song (lucy gray by william wadsworth). it's the same with maude ivory for example. "maude" from the poem "maude clare." ivory for the color, and also because it's the material used for piano keys. 5. we don't know what happened to lucy gray, she may have lived, she may have died. we live never find out because coriolanus never found out. the sort of point of her as a character is that she symbolizes freedom. she escaped coriolanus, she survived the arena, she survived the peacekeepers and the districts. it haunts him for the rest of his life, never knowing what happened to her, because to him it represents the fact that he's not inescapable. but her actual fate is up to interpretation, i like to think she lived. great video as always xxxx
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that the Snows had invested everything into District 13? Which, of course, got 'destroyed' in the war. That's why they lost their fortune. If his parents were rich when they died, the money would go to either the Grandma'am or Coriolanus, right? Regardless, this was a very insightful and helpful comment. Thank you for sharing!😊
@@LakiaJaiTV Excuse the random lore drop but the Covey (the band Lucy Gray is a part of) is named in a special way, with the first part being named after a ballad and the second a color. Lucy Gray's name is a little different because Lucy Gray is fully from a ballad, which she sings when they go to the lake :D
part of the reason snow was so against katniss was because she reminded him of lucy gray. her rebellion, her spirit. also, imagine how GAGGED snow must’ve been when he heard katniss singing the hanging tree song, which lucy gray wrote. the paranoia snow must’ve felt not knowing if lucy gray was alive or not, and then hearing katniss sing lucy’s song, i wish i saw his reacting loll.
after what happened with lucy gray, it’s mentioned in the books that snow thinks about only marrying someone who he has no attraction to, because he thinks that love makes people weak. hence his infamous line, “it’s the things we love the most that destroy us.” he has a loveless marriage that was likely more about status and continuing his lineage. also, to answer your question and sejanus, his family’s wealth earned them a place in the capitol. it’s also where the plinth prize that coriolanus wants is from, it’s sejanus’ fathers money. but they’re originally from district 2, which is why sejanus’ classmates look down on him since he was born in the districts.
@@packedentertainment2866 low key I think it’s number one for me too because I have rewatched it on its own several times. Now I’m rewatching with my fav channels and telling myself those don’t count 😆
Regarding Tigris' name, I think it has two meanings. In the Capitol, a lot of people have Roman names (like Coriolanus or Plutarch). Some people see Rome as the beginning of "Western" civilization. Tigris is a river in Mesopotamia, where the actual first known human civilizations were born. I think the name is subtly reminding you that the Capitol thinks it's the center of the world now, the way Rome used to. I think her name separates her from the Capitol culture and firmly places her in a more grounded (literally, named after a geological feature) place. Then I thinks he purposefully made herself look like a cat or tiger. The TBOSAS book says she likes raw meat and finds comfort in fur coats. It's possible after seeing the "humanity" of the Capitol she decided she'd rather be another species. I really want to know what happened in between TBOSAS and Mockingjay.
6:48 Yeahhh Lucricious Lucky Flickerman is Ceaser Flickerman's father! In the scene where Lucky is on the phone for a dinner reservation, he mentions a high chair ahaha XD We also see some other familiar family names such as Arachne Crane, who would be a relative of Seneca Crane from the first movie, and Hilarius Heavensbee who would be a relative of Plutarch Heavensbee from the other movies.
I love the third part because we see Snow getting crazier. In the other parts, I understood a little bit about the reasons behind some of his acts, he was trying to save his family and himself. But after going to 12 he was getting greedy about control and everything. I think the last part was the beginning of what we see of President Snow in the other movies.
I know a lot of ppl do not like Coriolanus' on screen portrayal, but I have to say I liked it. His micro expressions and his line delivery told me everything I need to know about his agendas and beliefs. But tbh his book version is so traumatizing at the end😭😭😭😭 all in all, I loved this film, it has a special place in my heart
I think Tom Blyth's acting is more subtle than a lot of people give him credit for. But it's not his fault that people seem to have poor media literacy.
Yes!! This. That man acted his butt off! I’m reading book now (I’m avoiding part 3) but after rewatching, I can appreciate what he did more. But even when I watched in theaters, I was picking up on how observant he was of everyone responded to Lucy Grays singing. That told me alot. That and him brutally killing a kid And liking it - I didn’t need too much context for that.
@@DovesEyes623 yesss his side eye game was immaculate and I could instantly pick up on how he liked lucy and how he hated sejanus. Tom was the perfect Coriolanus
the real Hunger Games was about Snow winning his fortune by any means necessary. when he killed or set up Plinth and gained his fortune he won the Hunger Games for himself which makes this Hunger Games Prequel so good.
it’s just so crazy that at the ELEVENTH year they start implementing the bare minimum for the tributes. that they don’t starve or get sick before the Games. it’s so sick and twisted
I think Snow was walking a tightrope between good and evil. I think he was sincere when he said he'd protect Sejanus, even though he'd already sent the jabberjay message...I think he did that to protect himself, not to get Gaul's attention, and there was a chance it wouldn't work, anyway. Snow still thought he could play both sides of the fence, stay on the tightrope...but he'd already overbalanced into evil, even if he didn't quite realize it yet. Some actions you can't take back.
He only cared about Sejanus insofar as he could use him to get ahead. He wasn't interested in getting him out of the arena until Gaul mentioned he would get favor from the Plinth family
@@Sabrina-jl4sp - People can have more than one motive for doing things. Now, I'm going strictly off the movie, as I haven't read the book, but I always consider different mediums to each be a different story continuity. At least in the movie 'verse, I think he cared for Sejanus somewhat, but cared for himself more. I don't think he fully realized the cost of betraying a friend until Sejanus' hanging...and then it was too late. He then had to rationalize the death to himself to stay sane. That was when he made that final, irreversible step to the Dark Side.
I know you said you’re talking about the movie but book wise yeah he was trying to impress dr Gaul and he was saying that to Sejanus to manipulate him, which he did a lot the whole series but yeah he wasn’t exactly thinking Sejanus was going to get hanged in the book either until he was took away
The book puts out quotes from Hobbes (who thought people are inherently bad, violent) and Rousseau (thought ppl were inherently good). Snow is a Hobbesian and he thinks they need the hunger games to remind people that "people are vicious animals." And if it weren't for Capitol control/oppression, life would be hell because it'd be just like the arena. What Snow doesn't fully understand is not everyone thinks like he does. And there are always tributes like Reaper and the girl who mercy killed Marcus who instinctively want to help others, not hurt others. We need government but we don't need Snow's government. Not that there aren't tons of uncomfortable real life parallels, like the US putting migrant children in cages like the tributes were caged.
Yes! So many folks are not touching on this element of the book. However, I believe Snow even sees the capital as animals. In movie he said, the world is an arena, which is why he killed Dean. He didn’t trust anyone at that point and wanted to be on top of food chain.
Honestly without reading from this book I thought Snow was suppose to lose Lucy so that’s why he decided to go bad. I thought he was meant to be a sympathetic guy since they portrayed it that way. Reading comments on how he was always evil is interesting to see what they cut out. I was lost in the last 20 minutes of the film on how he just changed until I read that he wanted to control her but couldn’t. The actress Rachael who does Lucy Gray she was a theater kid before going into acting so that’s why she can sing so well
I wanna see Tom Blyth as a Targaryen- not just because of the hair, but let's be so for real, he could pull off the energy XD (I'd like to see him as Maegor, Aegon I, Vaegon, or even a younger Aerys II)
My thing with the new movie is how they said there’s a reason snow is the way he is. The whole time I was watching I was like ok what did he go through to make him like this. All he did was care about himself from the start. He just ended up falling in love with her. But his true colors came out in the end. He turned on her and his friend for what they did nothing to him. And then I was like at the end of the movie the games would of been over if it wasn’t for him. They would of been done with this. But he wanted to get the money and be in charge so bad. Then he had the nerve to say snow always falls on top. Like he a snake by nature not do to anything he went through
I think "what made Snow that way" was his experience during the war (*starving), his father's influence during formative years, his father's death, having to keep up the appearance of having money when he didn’t and the drive/pressure to be able to support the family by winning the school prize/scholarship. None of these are excuses, of course!
@@that.ll_do_pig it could be that but the movie didn’t do a good job showing it. He was all about himself at the beginning of the movie. He did everything because he wanted to win.
Who said there’s a reason for Snow being who he is? I don’t think this is about giving Snow a reason, it’s more how he started to get where we see him later on. It’s very clear book Snow is also always bad, in fact he’s way worse because that’s just who he is. From the 4th page he’s thinking vile thoughts and his actions don’t match that since he’s manipulating people and coming off as charming to get what he wants, that’s just who he is and it just builds and builds as it goes on until he does show his true colours. I don’t think it all needs to be about an exact reason of changing a character completely to be a villain tbh, especially someone as horrible as him. I think a big part book wise is wanting him to do better but he never does, he’s surrounded by good people with Tigris, Sejanus and Lucy Gray and he has plenty of chances to do the right thing but then he’ll do or think something that reminds you of who he is
@@clover2739 I never read the books I just watched the movies. And on my social media I’ve seen a lot of people saying this movie is supposed to show us how snow becomes this evil president. So when I was in the movies watching I had that mind set that something was going to happen to him to turn him into how he is
@@welcometorissaworld4447 I’m surprised you saw that because people who read the book always knew he was bad from the start. In fact in comparison by a long shot the movie actually made him way more likeable. The book is more about the psychology of human nature, which I think the movie misses the mark in by a long shot which is especially important for Snows beliefs and how Dr Gaul views humanity
Was waiting for this ❤ So, snow is the reason the games exist in the way they do when Katniss is reaped. He created the winners' mansions and expanded the arenas to give the illusion of competition. In reality, people were recognizing it for the cruel and inhumane punishment that it was, but with Snows help, they transformed it into palatable tv for the capital masses.
Hello Icon I think we all loved the buzz cut😮💨 But regarding Lucy since it’s Snow POV we never know what happened to her in the forest she could be alive or dead since he was going paranoid. And the host of the hunger games is related to Ceaser 💀. The arena was used for the first 10 Hunger Games so after this one they use a new arena each year One last thing people have been saying they should make a second games but with Mags (the old lady from catching fire) since she won her games the year after Lucy!!
the book is different, you can tell he's narcissistic and manipulative, but also this kinda makes you simpatize with him when lucy runs away and turns on him with the snake. in the book he actually thinks of killing her the moment he sees the guns and realizes that he could go back to district 2 instead of living in the woods forever, cause that's just not a lifestyle made for him. he betrays her first and she just runs to hide and make sure that he has turned on her. he almost seems actually hurt in the movie. i do think he loved her, but his love for her wasn't enough to make him change his ways and give up on his selfish ambitions
i read in a comment some time ago that in d book and as shown in d movie, Snow did feel bad for Sejanus, he sent d recording coz he thought Sejanus dad would buy him out as usual, and he (SNOW ) would be free of Sejanus, who at d point in tym, was sort of a threat. coz anyone associated with a rebel is executed here in 12 AND THAT was all Sejanus seemed to be doing.
I mean I'm just saying, with this being the first and only performance I've seen so far from Tom Blyth, if they decided to remake American Psycho he'd make a perfect Patrick Bateman no doubt! Mans really did "attractive psychopath" well in this as young Snow lmfaoo
Funny thing is that I couldn’t remember who Snow was for the life of me because I hadn’t seen the other movies in so long. So the turn felt more crazy & unexpected to me which made the experience so much better for me. Loved this movie & love how it was cut/structured in a very Quentin Tarantino way which is amazing. 10/10 movie for me
If I could have picked anyone to be the winner of the 10th Hunger Games, I'd want it to be Reaper.🥰He was a formidable competitor, but also really sweet, helpful, and respectful.😊He wasn't very nice to his Mentor, but he didn't really have a reason to be.🤔The entire time, his whole purpose was to look out for Dill. When she died, he decided to risk his own life out in the open to give her and everyone else a respectful "burial" of sorts.❤He was doing what he considered to be right, even if he knew the Capitol might punish him.😮And then, even if Wovey's death would have put him one Tribute closer to winning, he was still earnestly warning her about the snake container.😭In the end, he took his death face-on, not being afraid of it like Mizzen and most of the others, and not complaining about it like Coral. I seriously love this dude... but... even though I suppose he had to die for the sake of the plot... it doesn't make it hurt any less.😔 Honestly, with what happens, I'm not that happy Lucy Gray won.😒She won by cheating, and she didn't even make that compelling of a Victor. Reaper had a fraction of the screen-time as she did, and I was just as entertained by him.😍 R.I.P. Reaper... you were a real one. *Three-finger salute*
lol you are delightful. Great reaction. Subscribed! 😀 And also, regarding your comment and question @ 24:16, yes he does look good, and no, you're not the only one lol. It was mind-boggling distracting. And yes, "those eyes" @ 27:16 inDEED. Frickin' hypnotic. I love blue eyes.
I really loved this. Hate snow, but also, I love him too? Like in the same way I loved Old snow cz he’s SUCH an interesting COMPLEX smart villain! Probably my fav villain of all time actually. Like the idea of nature beating man and that leading to us turning to evil (Lucy’s little talk about inherent goodness and how snow juxtaposes all of that as a character) everyones prey until you have to be a predator. Becoming twisted by succumbing to the instinct of needing to survive. Ahhhh like that’s such a good theme! Such good writing from Collin’s! Nature vs nurture. Man vs death. It doesn’t get more primal and raw than that- and somebody being a villain out of no other reason but survival is so fascinating to me and weirdly different. Like I don’t recall a lot of villains who have a character development that develops them as villains and not becoming better morally, just the better them. And this is Cory at his best. The victor. Chills this series. Always gives me chills.
I mean it’s perfect since young snow is attractive in the book, since he uses it in his favour but to charm and manipulate people and from how people have been reacting… it’s proof it works lol
I was watching an older video, wondering when you would react to this one! I had the same issue with the name of this one 😅 The Ballad of Songsnakes and Birds
18:27 What if Dill went out because she saw what Lucy Gray had done? Decided she didn't want to die a slow death or to be killed, figured this way she'd go on her own terms? unlikely I know, just a thought.
34:01 Which is why he married a classmate he didn't like so that love wouldn't interfere with him ambitions. I don't think he ever would have married Lucy Gray Baird anyhow - men like him don't marry women like her. They keep women like her as their mistresses, in a house or an apartment in a different side of town to the side they live with their wives, keeping a second key so that they can come visit whenever the fancy takes them, taking them only to certain clubs or restaurants that would allow kept women through their doors - if he'd let her out at all. As for love in his later life - I don't think the problem is that he's incapable of love, the problem is that he won't refrain from hurting or even killing those he loves if it ensures his survival because he feels that his survival is necessary for the Capitol's survival and that the Capitol's survival is necessary for the wellbeing of the entire Panem. I honestly think that President Snow did love his granddaughter but I can also honestly see President Snow poisoning his granddaughter - I see him saying to her as she gasps and writhes in pain looking to him for help and for understanding in if not a regretful or remorseful tone then at least a sad one "I'm so sorry my darling......I wish I had time to make you understand...."
GIRL I WAS WAITING FOR YOUR REACTION ON THIS ONE, you HAVE TO READ THE BOOKS, there's so much context you're missing that I know you'd scream if you found out😭 MY man snow was garbage from the beginning 😭 I KNOW TOM BLYTH IS A HOTTIE, but girl snow aint shit fr!! Love the commentary 💕
@@LakiaJaiTVyou should also check out The 100 books whenever you finish the show because they’re wayyyyy different than the show. The show is GOATed though
Good commentary didn’t see the movie theaters but great to see the a hunger games back at it killing people left right for the plot development anyway hope to see Peeta and Katniss after watching movie definitely a big e marathon soon for me ❤
Hey Lakia Jai I recommend that you watch The Hitchhiker’s Guide to The Galaxy, Galaxy Quest, The Waterboy, Inspector Gadget, Flubber, Joseph: King Of Dreams, Ruby Gillman, Teenage Kraken, Team America: World Police, Disney’s The Kid, The Master of Disguise, The Powerpuff Girls Movie, Scooby-Doo (2002), Scooby-Doo 2: Monsters Unleashed, Monsters, Inc., Monsters University, Monsters VS Aliens, Shark Tale, Turbo, Iron Man, Legally Blonde, Forrest Gump, Shrek, Madagascar, Robots, Chicken Little, Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of The Were-Rabbit, The Sixth Sense, A Beautiful Mind, Road To Perdition, Apollo 13, The Grinch (2000), The Cat In The Hat (2003), Horton Hears A Who (2008), The Lorax (2012), The Haunted Mansion, Daddy Day Care, Dr. Dolittle, Small Soldiers, Antz, MouseHunt, Paulie, Cats & Dogs (2001), Osmosis Jones, The Incredibles, Transformers, Toy Story 123&4
i just watched the movie today...before that i was seeing reels about how people were fawning over Snow...i think it's the curls... but it was pretty clear that corneliys wasnot a good person...he may have been sympathic to lucy but i believe that came from 1. she saved him, 2. he wanted to prove that he could make even a weak player win...he did get attched to her along the way but he didnit turn good...he didn't feel sympathy for the other tributes..not the children, not Jessep nothing...he only cared to keep lucy alive coz she was 'his'.... ontrary to him Sejanus was actually good...his goodness did not help anyone but at no point did he choose to do evil...i get the fascination with villains specially when they had no choice or were truely forced...but in his case i don't think it was necessary...he was geeedy is all...greedy for the lost honor of the Snow name and greedy for success and wealth and acknowledgement...and fir themomenrs he cared for Lucy,he was greedy for her
Hi Lakia I love this reaction it’s amazing you work so hard to provide us with these funny and amazing reactions also if you could I recommend for you to watch Percy Jackson and the Olympians it is a really amazing series thank you for making these videos and have a good day ☺
At 27:04 you can see that snow and Lucy are at the lake that has a little shack thingo with two kids behind them. Okay so basically my theory is that the kids behind them are Katniss’ parents bc in the beginning of the 1st hunger book (not the movie) she goes hunting and goes to the lake with the shack that her dad showed her, and I feel like since they named her Katniss after the plant that they got it from. But I watched this movie at the cinemas and I remember that Lucy called the girl in the back a name but I can’t remember it so I can’t relate the name to one of Katniss’ parents.
the girls name is maude ivory, i thought that maybe maude ivory was katniss’ grandmother from her dads side. Since the dad taught katniss all of the songs, valley song, hanging tree, etc and maude ivory knows all of those songs and could’ve taught them to him.
