@@flawlessfatality8105 I'm on your side, but an ev does have revs, they just don't change because of shifting gears. Your point is still valid, there is no rev limiter, just a computer pretending you have less power than you should and stopping the car from accelerating properly because of fake gears and fake limits
People are really missing that Hyundai developed a complete experience. It’s not just the sound. It’s the tuning and integration between all the components at the right levels - sound as rev up/down/hit limits, feel, bit of kick on paddle shifts, and a precise timing at which they come together. To say it’s just the sounds is like saying the iPhone succeeded because they removed the keyboard and made the screen bigger.
Exactly Hyundai N Division having the Former Head of the BMW M Division definitely paid off, who is a real Enthusiast. That said "Opel" did a Manual EV but only as Concept. I've seen the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N a few Times on the Nürburgring now during "Touristenfahrten" (which is each Weekend where anyone from anywhere can drive whatever on the Nürburgring) Compared to all the Tesla Plaid Cars i've see on the Ring, the Hyundai definitely was way sportier and actually handled most of the challenging Parts of the Track much better Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
I bought one... So at least there's one sold. It's awesome. Please folks, go test drive one and see for yourself. Feel the satisfying turn-in and weight transfer as you enter an off-ramp and marvel at your exit speed. The car is simply amazing and so fast in the real world. And it oozes personality, which isn't really something most EVs have. Hell, it's something most cars in general don't have. And when you need a normal car for life, it can do the TP run at Costco without batting an eye. Buy one and you won't be disappointed.
I also noticed that he keeps saying that it won't sell well. But I seen lots of comments in a few videos saying that they test drive it and immediately bought it. So I don't understand why he is so negative about it. Like if he doesn't want it to sell well just because is a "Hyundai"
I never understood that widespread "Subscription Service for Options is what BMW does" Myth. As far as i understood it, they did that exactly once in only one Country and now even there they stopped doing that
@@somenygaardyes you would...or do you think the recording is going to be computer generated? Or let me guess, a recording of a V12 isn't a "real" V12? 😂
Yeah, I think it's stupid and I really don't see the point. High performance engines are not just about the sound, it's the whole package of how it shoves you with the revs, the vibrations and all that. Just having some sort of recording "matching". How hard you press the accelerator is just not the same.
I agree with Doug on the validity of bringing the enjoyment of gas powered cars with manuals to the EV world. However, I think there's a bigger picture that was not mentioned. I drove an automatic transmission for most of my life until recently when I decided to buy a "real" sports car with a 6 speed. With gas cars always had an idea of how it worked. But once I bought the car and learned how to shift it brought a whole new level of joy. I think with this Ioniq 5 manual mode it will connect all of the cars together. Imagine being a new/young driver and driving this car. His/her journey will lead him to enjoy other classic cars with gas and a stick shift. This is the new future if we want to connect automotive history, culture, motorsports, and fun. Otherwise, if we keep the numb "petal to the floor" EVs as they are, there will be a disconnect and the newer generation will never understand the thrill of controlling gears and power and driving enthusiasm.
Hyundai has somewhat become the honda that we knew (minus the 100% reliability) that they make cars for the average person but still have time and passion for the car enthusiasts as well
They are better than honda. Just look at what honda has in its line up. Civic type R is probably the only and best vehicle they have out of everything they sell. While huyndai has ioniq 5N, elantra N, kona N, sonata Nline with 290 hp. Or you can switch to Kia and get k5 gt with 290 hp or EV6 GT with almost 600 hp. Their luxury devision Genesis is also making better cars than Acura. The G70 3.3T sport prestige is faster and rwd or awd while TLX Type S is awd but fwd biased. You can get G80 or G90 those are almost S class level luxury, SUV are also better and more luxurious. See honda doesn't offer anything like this at all. They only have 3 fun cars type R type S and tlx type s
And with cars switching to electric, reliability is going to be less and less of an actual concern for potential buyers. Hyundai /Kia makes garbage engines but if they just get rid of them all together….
Hyundai has really stepped up the game, and now they are trying to make EVs more fun. I still prefer cars with a traditional engine but this is still a great attempt by Hyundai to make an electric SUV that's actually fun to drive
I hope this catches on. I would also LOVE to see the system Toyota patented for simulating a manual transmission and clutch implemented. Imagine having normal EV mode, Paddle shift mode, and 6 speed manual mode where you get to use the clutch and shifter.... That would be so cool.
I worked with an intern on an FPV RC car using an Xbox wheel and pedal controller, and he tried to integrate these kind of features into using the paddle shifters. We could immediately tell it increased the level of immersion with the FPV car, it just adds so much to the experience! (It was a proof of concept and never made it to a product phase...)
Drove a 5N there days ago and it was amazing. It’s the first really fun EV and gave me back hope for the automotive future. I’ve previously owned a Taycan and the Hyundai was a far superior experience.
@@TheDarkPacific I enjoyed the Taycan, but eventually sold it for a petrol Cayenne due to loss of SOH. 7% of its battery capacity vanished in 1,5yrs/52000km. Then the rear motor short circuited on New Year’s Day 2022 atop a mountain in a blizzard 1400km from home. That was the end of my EV voyage. Now a friend came over and said I needed to try this Hyundai and just WOW! Rev limiter, gear changes, popping of the exhaust on overruns, loss of power if getting too low rpm, a gnarly high strung petrol exhaust, Aventador like jerks in the drivetrain when changing gears! I don’t know what was the most fun to drive, the Hyundai or my GT4RS. For sure the Hyundai was the most impressive stand out experience of the two.
@@DioTheGreatOne well, sports car might be a stretch. It’s still an SUV or at least a cross over with a tad high seating position, but the smile it put on my face was priceless. Really, really impressive. I can see Porsche replicating this with a manual stick operating the gears instead of paddles. It’s bound to happen and that alone makes me a very happy man as I’ve since 2015 have dreaded the day new ICE cars would go off sale here in Norway. IF that happens, I’m now much more at ease with it as I see the future not so bleak for us petrol heads as I used to do.
Btw, small comment since I saw your review of the ioniq 5 n, you mentioned only one engine sound and that is not true based on other reviews and what I saw on the dealership you have a couple of engine sounds. There was something else you highlighted as lacking but it was a setting within the menus to activate or change.
Coming from an Elantra N owner, it's awesome to see the positive impact that the Ioniq 5 N is having on the brand (and also that the simulated nShift is actually good!) That said, my only gripe is the claim that it won't sell. If it is a car that enthusiasts really stand by, why not encourage enthusiasts to buy it? If nobody does, what will be the incentive for auto makers to try new things like this in the future?
The ionic 5N reminds me of playing a simulation driving game. Engagement matters a lot, and changes the experience. This takes something like a racing simulator and bridges the gap to reality. Optimum Tech made a video recently about playing racing games in VR, this reminds me of that.
As someone used to driving stick, gears provide a very good reference for the speed to take corners. You don't need to look at your speed, just know that you are going to do it in 2nd or 3rd.
In your review I think you missed the quirk that you can change the simulated sound between 3 presets. :( Makes me wonder if they could easily add more in the future!
@@wesd991 unique engine sounds would be unlikely to qualify for copyright protection. It would be far more likely to fall under the trade mark laws. Harley was attempting to trade mark their world famous vtwin engine sound for a while but eventually abandoned the idea before their trade mark paperwork could be decided on by the US patent office. I believe one of the German auto manufacturers has a trademark from the European Union on one or more of their engines. BMW or maybe Mercedes.
It would be tremendously cool to see a car from a brand like Porsche, Mercedes, Ferrari, etc. with this tech that lets you emulate the sights, sounds & gearing of historic models. Obviously this would never EVER be a substitute for the real thing, but even the idea of emulating something so simple as a Hyundai Elantra N here seems like a lot of fun.
Doug gets it! I’ve owned RX7s, golf R’s, and many other sports cars. I pre-ordered the Ioniq 5N as soon as it dropped. Doug is 100% right here, and other RU-vid reviewers that have had the privilege of test driving this car, especially on the track, can see why this is a game changer. I have never been more happier with a car purchase in my life, I can’t wait to see what other manufacturers bring to the table! Well done Hyundai N team.
The reviews have definitely been impressive. So many thought it would be horrible and some wanted it to be garbage. A lot of surprised folks. Seems like you will probably really enjoy it.
My grandfather bought one of those brand new Ford Model T’s back in 1909. He wanted metallic silver as his colour choice but they told him he could choose any colour as long as it was black. Instead, he opted for the only other extra available a “Clippity-Clop” soundtrack through the speakers. He missed that horse-drawn carriage so much …
I remember Farshad and @Salomondrin back in 2014 saying that new electric cars should have sounds and fun shifting modes. They even said companies like Ferrari would license sounds that EV cars could play on the outside and inside of the car
Really glad Doug is delving into this particular aspect of this car. Driving isn't just about going from point A to B, it's about getting your senses involved, from the perspective of a driving enthusiast. And the best part about it, is that it's only going to get better with each iteration...
Love your new upload schedule. 2 car reviews, your podcast and your own sit down with us on Sunday. And then we see cars & bids with you doing a lot more interesting and good stuff. Love it Doug
They will absolutely be able to replicate fully manual transmission. Tons of racing simulators already to it perfectly. The only thing left is having that system in the car itself.
Apparently, I’m an outlier, but I don’t get it. I have an EV6 GT and I have all the sounds turned off. I love the silent rush of neck-snapping acceleration, it allows me to concentrate on the feeling alone without being distracted by anything else. Maybe if I drove one, I would change my mind, but I doubt it. Btw I have owned many perfomance cars over the years, both manual and DCT and have enjoyed all of them, but I have come to really appreciate the incredible efficiency and instant torque delivery of electric motors. Besides they do make a sound, it’s just not very loud. I also have a BMW i8 (which I love) and that car has been vilified for having fake sound even though it has a real engine and transmission. This one is all fake and people are gaga over it. Times have changed.
Technologically, the sound of an ICE is the sound of friction--the continuous wearing out of moving parts. Engineering-wise, it's a negative, but consumers have been fixated on it since the hot rod and muscle car eras. It feels regressive to use computer wizardry to include an ersatz version of this sound, rather than ask consumers to adjust to newer technology.
The people that you watch/"are gaga over it" are the "car" (or rather ICE) enthusiasts. They are coming out of their denial phase to see that EVs are not a fad, but a potential future so having EVs that can still offer some of that ICE experience in the future is something required for them. But the average person doesn't care about any of that. If they did, CVT cars wouldn't exist, yet Toyota are selling them in droves. If an EV would cost the same as an ICE equivalent, charge as fast and have comparable range while costing just 20% less to "refuel" with cheaper maintenance, most people would get the EV without blinking.
@@gabrielgingras814 No one is unaware of this. We are just aware of history. CVTs all used to avoid this crap, but then car companies started including it as an option, and now you literally cant buy a cvt that isnt gimping itself with the fake gear change bs. I dont want the same thing to happen to EVs. Im fine with an opt in option that gives me full power and utility of the vehicle, and allows those who are so inclined to have the silly gimmick modes. I am not fine at all with an opt out or mandatory system forcing this bs onto me.
I have to give Hyundai credit for their attention to enthusiast cars the last few years. I am not an EV fan. At all. But this is great to see. Now if they can make it a 6 speed manual with “clutch”, I’ll be a little more on board. Still not as good as burning dead dinosaurs
This comment is why Tesla M3P will sell and this will bomb. It's a car appealing to a crowd that will die on their hill rather that drive something without exhaust.
@@mrmiliman I just don’t like electric cars from an enthusiast standpoint. It’s not dying on a hill, for me at least. It’s just that I simply get no enjoyment out of it. Most EVs are appliances. Just transportation and nothing more. They can make great daily drivers, and I would use one for that purpose. But it can’t replace an actual sports car
@@mrmilimanbut there's a spectrum of opinion right? Not just manual only or ev only people. This car will be the litmus test to see if there are enthusiasts that want a more engaging EV. Honestly, if they're open to it, this car is perfect for all the DSG and pdk fans. If you're coming from a golf R or Macan this is going to be just as much fun.
Matt said "I know Porsche is coming out with an EV Boxter soon. Porsche needs to pay attention because it needs to be as good as this if not better" something like that.
Is the EV revolution making Doug nostalgic? Tesla could add that feature with a sftw update, but why would you want to go slower? Fake noise, fake shifting -- like fake horse heads on early buggies?
Almost all performance vehicles do pump fake noises and rumbles from.the speakers into the car as an audio combover to make the driver feel tougher. Look it up. And yes, it's embarrassingly stupid.
I’m on a budget but my youngest son can do an amazing supercharger whine and I’ve just recorded his sounds and play them through the stereo. I’m currently teach my wife to do a straight cut gear whine.
I drove it and bought one immediately. I’ve been wanting an EV but they are not engaging. Not only did Hyundai make it engaging, but it has complete duality to it. It can be that silent eco box if you want and is fairly luxurious. I traded in a GLE 63s. This is faster and passengers say it’s roomier. This might be the biggest surprise hit I’ve seen. It’s not just good for a Hyundai, it’s an amazing car period.
I don't know. Maybe id have to try it, but the fact I know it's not real shifting makes me think i won't like it. I don't like the fake exhaust sounds either. Otherwise seems like a good sporty EV.
I think the important thing is you have the option to use it. If its not your thing, just turn it off. As someone that does own a 5n, when use the shift mode, it does behave/act like a different car. I understand its not for everyone, but I think its something you have to test and experience for yourself before making judgements
I mean what proof do you need when absolutely every reviewer out there praises what hyundai did? At some point if the simulation is good enough that you just cant hear/feel the difference? I absolutely love my weekend track car. I’d love it even more if it cost 6 bucks to fill in electricity and made the same sound and feel the same.
Fake gears are the dumbest gimmick ever negating the one advantage EVs have - smooth acceleration and instant torque. I really don't understand why are people losing their heads over fake gears and sounds 🤯
It's an option that you have to turn on. It's there for people that want it. I drive a model x p90d for months and it was fast but kind of boring. Anything could liven up the drive
@@enmass90 In this one car yes. im referring to the future. Its not an invalid concern either as you look at cvts and you literally cant find one that doesnt force this garbage onto you.
You know how the koenigsegg CC850 is a manual and an automatic ? Imagine an electric car like that : "can be awd,rwd or awd with the press of a button , change engine sounds and have different levels of power and different gearboxes , if it whould have a retro design like an old mercedes coupe like a 500 sec or maybe an old ferrari or alfa" id be so sold on that , imagine you wake up "today i want to know how it feels to drive a huracan or an c63 or an 812 or even a FN2" and the car whould be able to adjut everything other than the weight of corse
Spot on correct Doug, but even more important than entertainment, after watching Matt Farah push one around Laguna Seca, it became apparent that engine sound and shifting simulation can contribut to situational awareness of vehicle dynamics and how much of the limits of the car is being exploited in any given situation, rather than the novocaine disconnectedness of the normal electric car experience. Anythng that contributes to driver involvement and awareness contributes to safety. Now if they'd just employ the rest of the idea didn't patent, selectable programs, a half dozen different engines from a NASCAR V8 to a 275 GTB to Porsche Flat6 or a Jag XK150 Straight6. Formula One at 15,000 RPM anyone? What's your mood?
I believe Lexus is already working on an E-Manual transmission. There was a prototype EV pictured last year with a 6-speed. Im pretty sure motor trend did an article on it.
To really get the gas car feel with engine vibration... it needs a driving simulator gaming chair with the rumbling feature, and something similar in the software for the electric steering system.
I totally agree. I'm not a gear head, but I've always thought automakers should do something like this, a simulated gear shifting experience to bring in the gear heads. With EV's you can do anything you want; make it sound like a muscle car or a space ship, give it a stick shift that does nothing mechanically but gives the driver the sensation of racing. The first sports car to come out with a feature like this will be a game changer.
Man, that’s a pretty witty comment! I’m sure you had to put in some seriously grueling hours of brainstorming before you came up with a Doug is the type of guy comments of such high quality!! Looking forward to Doug’s next video so I can see your next masterpiece.
@@ZaydHakim sorry I’m on a crusade to end the Doug is the type of guy insanity. Nothing personal. I would rate your an above average on humor. So many of them are not even remotely funny or relevant.
I grew up loving quick compacts, the sound of Golf R and Subaru WRX. Sound plays a huge part in getting the full experience of enjoyment out of a fun vehicle.
Using re-gen to imitate engine-braking during downshifts is a game-changer. You not only have an analog feel for better driving dynamics, you can also recharge the battery during spirited driving.
It’s really not. The car has to accelerate again to make up for the deceleration, which means under ideal circumstances you just expend the energy you captured. In reality regen isn’t very efficient, so you’re actually losing a lot of energy doing this.
I don’t understand. Why simulate something that doesn’t exist and is unnecessary in an EV? I could see an argument for torque vectoring becoming the new “stick shift” in EVs, but not simulated gears. It’s the same problem with CVTs that try to have sport mode paddles in them: they’re totally pointless. I understand needing driver engagement, but I don’t like the idea of “simulating” anything. If Doug is the one talking about this as a “big thing”, that tells me Silicon Valley is apparently rediscovering driver engagement as an important element of driving… and that self-driving vehicles aren’t coming nearly as quickly as was initially forecast by them a decade ago.
It's for the folks that want the efficiency of an EV but also want to be more involved in their driving than 'push pedal, car go fast'. Yeah, it's basically a driving sim in real life, but it's fun and that's really what matters at the end of the day. It's no manual, but it's better than the alternatives. As far as Silicon Valley's involvement goes... I wouldn't count on any changes there. Most people seem to want to do as little driving as possible, and one great car from Korea isn't going to change that. It's not an accident that fewer and fewer cars are offered with manuals now.
It's constantly amazing how much emotion please a dominant role in car culture. It's just that people have gotten very good at rationalizing their wants as needs/the way something feels as it were about performance etc
How is this not more of an existential crisis for car guys? A single speed is the equivalent of continuously flat out, so adding a powerband literally requires slowing the car down while it simulates a combustion engine… So y’all cool with going slower? Inarguably good for slow ev’s tho. If one must be slow, at least allow one to bang some gears, amiright?
I've been trying to explain this to the wife for a few weeks now. This is one of the best "tools" for getting people to buy into the transition from an ICE vehicle. Plus I can totally wait for them to release the catback mod sound pack....
Just yesterday witnessed the speed and handling this thing can generate on the Nordschleife and it is insane. Seeing all four wheels actively forcing the car through corners at high speed is crazy. Must wear through tires quicker than that it loses charge on the battery.
It would be amazing if someone came out with a manual electric! Something you could shift yourself with a clutch, and then, I don’t know, some sort of combustion engine, something that makes its own sound that doesn’t come from speakers, now that’s an EV I can support.
This is a great idea! I wish they would add a manual crank in the front so you could start the car and get some exercise, or maybe a simulated horse you can feed hay to.
Bingo. Just the most awkward, embarrassing feature. It's like Doug just discovered the combover and is like "this is what all bald men need! No one can tell you don't have hair!"
Doug has some solid points, but he also misses so many times that it's hilarious. Your Ioniq 5N video is already top 5% in terms of views and its only been uploaded for 5 days. Ioniq 5N will definitely sell well albeit bottlenecked by how many Hyundai is manufacturing.
Maybe random horse s&$@t smells being wafted from the rear ac vents. A felt body wrap that I could comb just like an actual horse. I think you are on to something!
Do you think if engineers had access to current EV technology at the turn of the last century they would've bothered with gasoline reciprocating piston engines at all? Much less efficient, much more prone to breakage, dirtier, louder, slower, far less torque down low, requires much more maintenance, there's virtually no reason for the internal combustion engine car to exist, if we had the current state of the technology back then. Once the infrastructure is in place, and it will be, internal combustion engines will be as much of an affectation as fountain pens and manual watches. I currently drive a 6-speed manual car; I love the three pedal dance. I also, however, fill my fountain pens from a bottle and wind my 120 year old pocket watch and attach the chain to a button hole before going out if "dressed." I freely acknowledge *all* are less functional than their modern equivalents.
An EV could be like a racing game, you choose the car you want to drive today in the menu and it simulates the amount of gears, the sounds, the turbo lag. So you buy an Taycan Tubro S but you can simulate a Carrera GT, 930 Turbo or what else including the limited power an older car would come with. It's still not the real deal but it would open the experience of driving such a rare car you could never own. Just want things like to do in Gran Turismo or Assetto Corsa but now adapted to a real car.
I come from the railroad world, where electric locomotives and trolleys have existed for 125 years. There are so many amazing controls and sounds that make those pieces of equipment interesting. I've been surprised none of those have made their way over to manual electric cars.
Hard disagree tbh, piping sound in the car is tacky, and now fake sound at that is double tacky. They need to figuee out how to make these cars fun without resorting to semi gimmicks
This feature is EXACTLY what I was hoping for back when EVs (Teslas specifically) first started hitting the market hard. I thought I would never get an EV because I don't want to lose the driving component. I always thought if an EV could figure how to simulate shifting, I'm in.
The fake exhaust in the Dodger Charger EV is just to annoy people on the outside, like what their gas cars do. It doesn't actually add to the driving experience.
Vibrating seats would add to the experience - certainly does when I play a driving game in the arcade... Vibrating shockers on the suspension could simulate an engine being revved too. I guess they could even programme in stalling the engine??! Or different power curves when you're in too high of a gear? I think Doug is right, this could be game changing.
Absolutely yes. I’m hoping some manufacturers have multiple sound/gearing/performance combos that emulate their classic performance models. I also heard about the potential for a clutch pedal in some newer ev transmission designs. Definitely some good possibilities.
If a vegan burger is delicious, I don't see why I wouldn't enjoy gobbling one up. If both vegan and meat burgers are delicious, is there something I'm missing out on by not eating the meat burger?
This is a poor argument because those burgers are straight up better and being "the real deal" only means you were worse to the planet, animals, and other people (as any meat eater is automatically a welfare baby taking with the amount of subsidies meat production gets artificially lowering the price). Basically, Your analogy is actually right, but just not the way you hoped itd be.
Renault already had this kind of feature in their renault clio GT from 2016 with R-sound. you could play different car sounds through the speaker to make your clio sound like a renault R5 or a Renault F1 car. i think this feature could greatly benefit EV's and im kinda surprised it hasn't already been added to more cars
NOW you finally recognize that an auto transmission in Manual MODE is actually fun. I always wondered: you guys say auto is no bueno for the enthusiast, but you don't have to stuff it in auto mode, you can shift it MANUALLY? it took the taking away of the transmission for people who to realize that.
I am a car enthusiast and I’ve been tossing around the idea of a Model 3 performance for commuting because it makes sense. I don’t go far and I like to go fast, but this is a game changer. I loved when Dodge revealed the new Charger EV with real converted sound from the electrical process. That was neat, but being able to “shift” takes that one step further. I still don’t understand why no one has mated an electric motor to a real manual transmission yet. Obviously it would need a beefy transmission to withstand the torque, but that could be limited in software. I think it could have multiple benefits though. Engagement for one, but wouldn’t it also increase range if the motor didn’t have to stay revved out at insanely high RPMs?
Jeez! I couldn't agree with Doug less. I've driven manuals most of my life including sports coupes and motorcycles. If I ever get an electric car it sure as hell won't have some lame simulation of a multi-speed transmission. When both torque and regenerative braking are available at any speed why in the hell would I want a vehicle that "pretends" to shift gears? If that floats your boat just stick to video games.
I watched the main review and I have to say it's a really cool feature. However, I think it will be more like a loud stereo in that younger people will use it and older people won't because it will be seen as immature. I hope that won't be the case but I have a feeling.
Years ago people wanted seriously fast cars that were stealthy and didn't draw attention. Now they want all that "look at me, hear me 4 blocks away" and could care less about the speed. Strange progression.
Its always been an epeen thing. They thought they wanted performance tiol everyone could get pwrformance so now they use obnoxiousness as a mark of pride as if they win over the standard person because they want comfortable transportation whilst trapped in the carcebtric hell hole.
@@khanmimaad You say this like objective fact but it is a niche group preference. I 100% prefer this over repeated ruckus noise, emissions, wasteful jerking motions etc. EVs even make track driving more about driver control than manhandling some old, outdated esoteric transmission of times past.
This faux transmission Is like hanging a bag of horse manure in the Ford model T to recreate the authentic travel experience. People will evolve, gear shifting will die.
Somehow I think people have attached more of their identity to this. Probably somewhat as a result of oil companies wishing they did and all the nonsense fud spread about evs in car "enthusiast" circles.
Doug, you are easily the smartest person I know when it comes to cars. You outshine everyone with your knowledge of car history, model specifics, and just about everything else. You're a complete genius in this field. However, I have to say that I wholeheartedly disagree with you on this point. I don't think you fully understand how most people value cars. Many people buy cars as an identity purchase. They choose a car because it signals the tribe they belong to and who they are as individuals. People buy Ferraris for the race history, prestige, and rarity. People buy Toyotas because they want reliable transportation from A to B. And people buy Teslas to get from A to B while feeling a bit cooler. Car enthusiasts are similar to watch enthusiasts. A Rolex might not tell time better than a Timex, but it offers craftsmanship, history, and prestige. No one is going to buy a car because it has fake gears. As fun as that might be, the market for it is as niche as those who love Miatas. I'm sure it's a real hoot, but there will never be a significant demand for something that is, frankly, an obvious gimmick.
I still hate the feature. I can understand I guess, but just shifting isn't the main thing that was engaging to me in manual cars. The engaging factor is that you know you really are moving physicall gears and MANUALLY controlling physical attributes of the car. The Ioniq 5 is no different than driving a video game car. Sure it's very realistic and simulates a feeling that all enthusiasts love, but it's not real. It's just like living in the Matrix. As much as I will miss analog gas cars, I would still much rather these companies just make really really good electric sports cars, that are cool in their own way and not trying to live in the past.
A lot of people who reviewed the car said they initially thought it was a pointless or dumb idea but had a different opinion after driving it. I wouldn’t be too quick to dismiss the technology.
I want a “Porsche Unleashed” model from Porsche where when you sit in the car you select which Porsche you want to drive. Full manual, clutch too (but all actually electric).
