@@wyvernnemecek595 goddamn you got me good 🤣 And yeah, cottage core is basically an aesthetic. Like how the main pair in Barbie and the Crystal Palace are basically a cottage core lesbian couple.
Another major thing DOTN adds to this theory: *_Tweedy is now fully aware of the chickens' sentience._* And, knowing full well they're as sentient as her, she sets up a mega chicken factory that seems like a chicken paradise... only with _mind control_ to make the chickens unalive themselves on command. Arguably, learning that the chickens are sentient actually made her _more_ evil toward them.
Uh oh. Someone sounds angry. Let's be honest. Chicken Run is shown from the perspective of the chickens, so of course we'd route for them. But yeah, it's clear Mr. and Mrs. Tweedee's relationship isn't healthy. In fact, I've always followed the idea that Mrs. Tweedee married Mr. Tweedee out of profit. Sell eggs, get rich. No eggs? Sell or eat the chickens. That's basically how it is here. But I think Mrs. Tweedee is also so driven by the profit and her vision that it's believable she'd go to great lengths such as changing the farm to a pie factory. As for the other question you pointed out, there is a chance we might see something like that in the sequel that's in the works.
Mrs. Tweety was going to burn through her only source of revenue within a week, killing one troublesome chicken even though it was still producing could be forgiven, in theory, but it wasn't just going to be the one troublesome chicken. Her intent was to kill all the birds, and she took no consideration on what would happen next, her farm had one cock on it, and at his age it was unlikely he was fertilizing many if any of the eggs, and even if we were to assume he was secretly a super stud, they were still harvesting 100% of the eggs while she was fattening them up! she never took the actions necessary to ensure the success of her new venture and sunk a ton of money into the pie making contraption, so I will stand for none of this "she was an entrepreneurial woman fighting for her place in a man's world" she just hated those chickens and wanted them gone, consequences be damned. No, it doesn't make sense, there were no incoming replacement chickens, and while you can buy more chickens in theory, they aren't the most expensive livestock to raise and would continue to make a secondary source of income and, if allowed to, replenish their own numbers, so it makes sense to introduce a rooster for that purpose, removing the veteran if need be, plot off a portion of the chickens for production, and actively bring in more chicken so when the time comes you're ready. The chicken were everything, her current source of income and her future source of income, not planning on having a couple chicken breeding and ready is just asking for trouble. Human extermination is a consideration, but Ginger isn't the only abnormal chicken in their squad, the old rooster had still picked up on some military practices and seemed to have a certain level of understanding for defending a location, the smart chicken would likely develop contraptions to help them fortify their location and insulate their homes, they're likely still trading eggs with the rats for outside resources and much of their current population was exiting the egg producing stage of life anyways so their population should maintain sustainable levels for a couple generations. But people, people will come the only thing is what they see when they come, chickens with houses, catapults and knitting needles who are defiantly defending their new home, I think the most probable end result for these chickens would be to be collected and studied, not hunted.
I'm so glad that you're back too I like your videos you're very interesting and it's nice to hear a point of view of a side of a character that I didn't really think of when watching the film you know there's a sequel coming out wonder if they'll explore any of this?
My personal theory is that the chickens will be forced to look for a new home or that someone is gonna get kidnapped and the coop will have to go and rescue him/her, besides from that I got nothing.
@@BuriedEntertainment apparently it's gonna be about the main couple's kid and some new villain and the Tweedys won't even be in it. It sounds like their going for more of a heist movie, break IN instead of OUT thing. With a young character to appeal to the youth market.
@@BuriedEntertainment I hope your theory is right and also thanks for replying man you're like talking to a celebrity I like the ending theme song is that the short version or is there a longer version?
While as kids we rooted for the chickens. As adults, we understood where Mr & Mrs. Tweedy are coming from. If your source of income , livelihood & on the brink of bankruptcy. You would be desperate too.
Did people really complain that the humans in Wall-E would have starved? Did I miss something? Whay would the spaceship suddenly not be able to automatically produce food anymore?
The chicken group escaping only has one male among them, meaning theyre not in danger of suffering from food scarceness or overpopulation. They are going to live happily for the rest of their lifes and thats it.
Might want to throw in that before birth control was a thing, women were constantly getting pregnant so women probably came across as stupid to men because of what's known as "pregnancy brain." Mrs. Tweedy since her husband is infertile but she is ambitious actually helps her in the sense that she can be seen as a threat to anyone else who owns a business within the same field as her. No pregnancies, means perhaps not among the rest or stupid.
Oh, it's an old anime called Demetan Croaker The Boy Frog, its about a young frog enduring hardship, the indifference of nature, and the cruelty of people. Warning though, it gets dark fast.
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My fan theory is that the Tweedy's are Wallace's parents and they are disappointed from him wanting to be an inventor and general contractor instead of being a farmer and helping them.
@@madestmadhatter this sounds plausible as Wallace and Gromit according to design of buildings and vehicles takes place in same time maybe sometime before Grand day out, but Shawn the sheep spin off less likely takes place in same period, as some episodes features modern cars, of 2000 era
Cats are probably one of the worst examples you could give of domesticated animals not doing well without dependence on humans. Sure there are definitely cats that would not do well like fancy purebreds like persians and angoras, but the average run of the mill mixed lineage common shorthair doesn't need us _at all._ Yes cats are vulnerable to predators such as canids and birds of prey, but cats are such merciless killing machines they do not need us to provide for them at all. Cats are probably the #1 hazardous invasive species of all time alongside pigs and rats, absolute ecology destroyers capable of driving small animals to extinction.
I think this comes down to a perspective thing. In this movie you see the world from the perspective of the chickens, so obviously the farmers trying to kill the chickens are the bad guys. Its a similar thing that happens in Ratatouille and Fantastic Mr. Fox, you have antagonists who arent nessisarily evil but have their own interests and dont realise that the animals are sentient. At least initially. the bad guys here are shown being unpleasant, morally dubious, or even sadistic in some cases like with farmer bean, but wouldnt be seen as evil nessisarily if we watched the circumstances of the movie from their perspective Super amazing video by the way, I always love watching your strange film breakdowns!
The chickens *are* actually intelligent tho. Regular chickens don’t build planes. *Both* the Tweedys witnessed that bullshit. Considering the chickens’ proven consciousness, I think a better question to ask is how did sentient chickens and humans end up in a straight up cannibalism-slavery type deal?? Presumably world-wide too considering Rocky’s also proven sentience and intelligence?? Aardman Animations’ two most famous franchises also feature intelligent but otherwise unremarkable animals: dogs, and sheep. Rabbits, rats, and plenty of other animals have also been shown to have intelligence and incredibly varied relationships with humans in the… oh god, i can’t believe I’m saying this…Aardman canon. The weird thing though is that all the humans in general act kinda crazy about it? Across pretty much every film?? Like, Wallace is usually the only person who knows his dog could pay rent, and other humans seem to just treat him like a regular dog??? Even though he’s obviously not???Shaun is treated differently by different people?? Even though he can wear clothes and use a bus??? Why are MOST of the humans super fucking dense but some arent??? How did the world end up like this is the real question 🤔🤔 amazing vid btw really got me thinkin too i guess 😆
I’m gonna apply the “don’t think too much about it” is a legit thing in the world. Some people actively choose to ignore the fact to save them the sanity over the morality of their reality. After all- animals still eat animals at the end of the day in universe (the wilds and all) so it stands to reason humans just fall into the category of “choose to turn a blind eye. They’re animals. That’s it” and proceed to ignore the obvious. And I’m turn, the reason those that see this and acknowledge this don’t constantly interfere is likely just likewise another example of live and let live. And to some degree simply accept and respect everyone’s viewpoints because more than likely the fighting that hypothetically can and did take place was simply not worth the loss of human life over a very natural occurrence.
Ok so in the wrong trousers there are many places that don't allow dogs and in the park there's a sign that says dogs need to be on leashes. Wallace goes back and forth on how he treats grommet from a dog to a friend constantly, which isn't too surprising as Wallace is kinda a self centered jerk lol. In the next one with the sheep grommet is convicted as a sheep killer and sent to life in prison. Does that mean the society acknowledges the animal's sentience? In the wererabbit the Lord is a hunter which is considered a terrible thing by most in the village but he's not sent to any prisons. I think the animals killing is only taken seriously when another animal is commiting the crimes, or quite possibly, when it is greatly impacting humans as grommet only really went away for serial sheep stealing.
Look into the old Chevron adverts-- this includes vehicles of all sizes and stripes. Several semis, your kid's school bus, the family SUV, and even your grandmother's beautiful vintage cruiser. One wonders what implications ensue of the pie machine itself...
"But if films from my childhood have taught me anything, it's that hardships just don't automatically end once you get there." This sounds foreboding for real life.
This was basically my mom's take on the movie when it first came out. Aside from, of course, saying Mr. Tweedy should've shown more backbone - they both would've been happier for it.
Keep up the great work Buried Entertainment! You may not upload often but its always a treat when you do. Thanks for putting the effort in and letting things take the time they need.
Considering these chickens were capale of constructing a @#$%-ing airplane and subduing a full grown man, I think they're probably capable of constructing shelters (or other defenses) to Protect themselves from wild predators. Unless of course the wild predators are just as intelligent and capable of complex tool use as the chickens and rats, which frankly raises some pretty terrifying implications as to why Mr. Tweedy needed two guard dogs and a gun for his patrols...
My best guess is just because they don't have real food and have to grow it with no other seeds, but even then I still don't think they'd starve cuz if the main plant was able to survive, there could be some fruit or vegetable seeds on earth that are left.
@@cyanity1017 except the Axiom didn't crash land, and the only sign of food shortage on the Axiom was the decline in the passengers' health which may have been the result of subpar nutrition per food item, but was probably just the result of the passengers gravitating towards the easiest options
And this is the main problem with death of the author. It leads to audience members projecting all sorts of crazy and asinine ideas and theories into a fictional work that is not even remotely relevant to said work. Chicken Run is an allegory. Whenever you see anthropomorphic animals, or even in a simple personified state, they're not just humanized for the sake of pleasing the kids. They're humanized for allegorical reasons. The core conflict of Chicken Run is slavery versus freedom. And though the ideas of overpopulation and invasive species are relevant problems--and many allegorical works tend to forget to acknowledge these sorts of ideas in the process--what ultimately matters is the end results. And on that front, Chicken Run is a success. I'd probably give it an 8 or a 9 out of 10 simply because it forgets to remember the realistic side of things.
One aside. In the case of Wall-E they still have a ship shown to be capable of synthesizing food for a population of their exact size, meaning they will have sufficient nutritional support and shelter while building up an agricultural base.
I feel like this film has some horrific implications. So all animals are sapient, but humans don't know it (a deliberate choice by the animals). So why are these creatures keeping this secret to their own detriment? All feed lots are prison camps, all farms become places where atrocities are committed every day.
A late reply. But I would assume real life reactions to a talking animal- especially in that era. A talking animal wouldn’t fall under a “wow! Another sapient being!” But a “DEMON!!!” Look at the history of things like black cats and other perceived “devil animals”. All of them are killed. You could potentially headcanon that animals DID speak to humans at one point… and that may have been the trigger to the dark ages in this universe. To which they would have desperately kept this secret since. Even at that point in time, anyone that wasn’t a child would see such a thing as an abomination or something ill meaning. And for a woman like Tweedy, she would likely see this as a further threat… or potentially put the chickens into an even worse scenario than prior. The imprisonment ideal would become less an implication than it would a very literal thing. In short, it would be a domino of chaos with potential disastrous consequences.
@@RogueT-Rex8468 I dunno, the husband didn't seem too surprised and Mrs. Tweedy wasn't all that surprised either, lead angry. Plus, building a giant flying machine is a pretty significant announcement to the world that you are sapient. I still would argue that the chickens are themselves responsible for their predicament, as they have made the choice to hide their intelligence from humans.
@@WobblesandBean I was speaking generally about the reaction. I honestly am not surprised that the tweedys reacted so subdued as Mrs. Tweedy is just a unit of a woman, and her husband seems to be a conspiracy guy (those have suspicions but not everyone reacts large even when proven correct). This in mind, again as I said in my previous comment, this wouldn’t phase their motives but likely make things morally screwed up with the knowledge they are sapient. As for the construct, they were the only ones (if I recall) that even saw that contraption. And even if they weren’t, no one would believe anyone saying “the chickens did it”. But you are correct in the chickens putting themselves into this predicament- but when it comes down to it, their actions revealing it could potentially cause worse issues for other chickens down the line. The ripple effect of chaos could be catastrophic.
They really wanted to show Mrs tweedy as an evil person by having her be flat out abusive towards Mr tweedy and she's even more ruthless in the sequel where she brain washes chickens into being happy
I wonder movies like this would go if the animals would show humans their conciousness. Would they really continue to murder chickens if it turned out they were capable of reasonable thought? A lot of more money could be made with chickens of human intellect than with pies after all.
gosh i love this. its overanalysing a movie, but not in a cynical way, i dont see that very often, very well constructed also some nice choices for filler visuals, i wasnt expecting the dont starve music video ill tell you that much
Mrs. Tweedy did know the chickens are sentient, at least at the climax of the movie. She sees the evidence of it and still tries to kill them, and even before then, she clearly takes enjoyment in killing the chickens that don’t lay eggs.
The chickens managed to create a muscle powered airplane, I think they will manage to survive the winter lol Assuming they discover agriculture of course Also, can't the people from Wall-e just eat the food from the ship until they manage to get agriculture going?
It is a pleasure to have you post something. And honestly, your insight really covered something for a project I have been working on and I cannot find your return more of a blessing! I hope everything is going well for you and, as always, I look forward to your next insight.
I can't think of a single thing to add as a comment that's substantive and interesting... so here's nothing in particular, which will still feed The Almighty Algorithm just as well 😂
I am so happy I stumbled across your channel. Also you using the Don't Starve clip made me realize you sound exactly how I thought Wilson (the man with the hair shaped like a "W") would sound!
Also, there’s only 2 male chickens. (You didn’t mentioned it but I feel like it should’ve especially since I would think it meant they wouldn’t reproduce enough)
Well she is physically abusing her husband, she isn’t a protagonist. We shouldn’t stand or abuse in the name of “a woman in a man’s world” as a woman, I don’t want abusive people to be the ones that people think of when they think of women business owners
i had a theory once that melisha tweedy was born to a low income family and thus was ridiculed for it. thus her focus on profits over much else "melisha tweedy will be poor no longer" sounds like it comes from a deep place if ya ask me
The idea of the egg theory works really well especially in the case that the sequel has Mrs. Tweedy marries another person that similarly resembles Mr. Tweedy... They aren't a great match still but it either shows she has a type or she just is gravitated into a relationship mindset and can't get her mind off of her past