They made the right choice, but not because it was a kid's film. Like Bird said, Snug didn't have enough time to be developed as a character. The stakes were high enough WITHOUT another character dying.
I think what pushes this over the edge for me is how Helen had to choose between Snug and her kids, and how in any other scenario, she probably could have/would have saved him. She called and brought him into this situation that led to her good friend's death. The part where she is watching the plane sink is so painful.
Since he doesn't appear to have any powers it also hits home that when someone does a job like she does they become targets and sometimes people doing the killing don't care who else gets killed.
I'd feel extra bad for Helen, Violet and Dash after this, because they caused the death of an innocent, weren't able to use their powers to help and were dressed as heroes at the exact same time. Also, the scene after wouldn't have worked as well, it would've made Dash's whole "We're Deaaad" more traumatic than funny.
To be fair, a child who had just gone through that horrific experience of near-death and is stranded in the ocean is still also a traumatic image. Can't say I blame the boy as no child should go through that.
@@beverlyarcher546You're joking right? They very explicably show in the movie that Violet and dash hired a babysitter. Helen even spoke with the babysitter on the phone
Oh my god this is not only more morbid and hard on the feelings for the viewer, but imagine what must go through Violet's head when she realizes she could have saved him by putting the damn forcefield around that plane
@@Kishanth.J It's not that she's never used them at all. But she hasn't been able to practice them as well as an adult or even if supers weren't illegal.
I'm glad they cut Snug out of the picture in the end. The movie's final version of this scene is just so much more intense and powerful with Helen having to be in control of everything, especially in the bit right before the missiles hit the plane. In the movie we could see Helen looking back and forth from the radar to the window to her children as the missiles got closer and closer until she had to take that split-second decision to give up on the control cabin alltogether and protect her kids with her own body. This didn't feel nearly as stressful and nerve-wrecking with someone else manning the cockpit.
Dominique Sunday People also seem to forget the pressure that was on Violet to put a force field around the plane. The scene showed her lack of confidence in herself and her powers, and in the end, Helen has to abandon the plane and save her children. However, if they had kept this scene, Violet would’ve had to live with the knowledge that she could’ve prevented someone’s death, the death of an integral figure in her mother’s early life. The guilt could’ve made her more timid and even further traumatized by the event.
@@sully2932I could have also seen Snug as an almost uncle like figure for Violet and the family, kind of like how Frozone is. God imagine the trauma from having that weight on your conscious.
As difficult as the edit was for Brad Bird, I'm glad Snug was cut out of this scene. The film is heartbreaking enough knowing that all those supers were killed off just so the Omindroid could face Mr. Incredible. Adding Snug's death would've been more painful than I could bear as a child (when I first watched it)
I'm just thinking about how Violet would feel. She was so broken up over how she almost killed them. Imagine what it would be like if she felt like someone did die because she wasn't able to act in time.
Good call. Eliminating Snug as a character made the narrative tighter. It kept the focus on the family and the pressure on Helen to deal with the situation.
If they developed Snug just to kill him instantly would be disappointing to say the least. Plus Violet would probably feel guilty over his death because she couldn't put up a force field
The soundtrack, Snug's face as he realizes he's about to die, the zoom-ins of the camera, the Missiles coming closer, the different shots, etc. of the original storyboard, they all do their part to give me chills.
Oh, since I was a kid I loved watching deleted scenes and bloopers of movies, I love to see the "before-story." But this scene totally terrified me as a kid. I'm glad this didn't make it to the film, it's a really good story, but not for a kid.
+Laytho2 I have to disagree. I liked Brad Bird's point that the fact that the Helen the mother was protecting her children made it more intense, and added to her as a character. A part of the writing process is merging characters together. Sometimes first drafts have too many characters and it makes the story too complex to digest the main theme, so they often turn two or three characters into one to help the viewer focus on the important parts of the story. Plus, if there wasn't enough room to add Snug as a fully fleshed out character, I'd prefer he was only mentioned, so as to open a new part of the movie's mythos, and leave people to add more to it themselves. That way he's a badass in my mind, rather than them making him mediocre simply because they didn't have enough time to show him being badass.
I like that they didnt go with the dead pilot. It would've been sad and i dont like that. Plus the idea of Mr.Incredible hearing his wife and then his worry rising as he hears that his kids could be onboard is abit better. Snug though would be an interesting character to add in a sequel.
DA MotoNeko you say that as if the entire next third of the movie didn’t talk about a bunch of superheroes being ruthlessly killed off. Is that not sad?
haha he's kind of describing me when I go over the word limit for my essay. "But this part is so gooood! But, word count!, but arrghhhh" I'm glad Snug's scene was cut out in the end. Killing a good guy would have made Dash's "We're dead, we're dead! We survived but we're dead!" much less funny. And it showed off what a PRO Helen is :)
Lol, so true. Essays can be the worst. You either make it really good and long, but too long or you don't have much inspiration so you make it a bit shorter and it's too short. Argh
Dayonder Productions I've always undertand it as a refference to Syndrom. But I think I know the reason. In Spain, Snug was actually called Charlie, so even when I saw this deleted scene as a child, I didn't catch the refference. So maybe I was always wrong about that.
I'm glad they had Helen fly the plane. The scene was more intense but also, Helen has control over the situation, rather than this happening TO her and the kids. It makes her more powerful in my eyes (now that I analyze it). Also, it's a little bit of a "YES!" moment to see a mom/superhero/woman as a pilot. It makes the character more dynamic to me. In my head, I know a chunk of her past had to be devoted to aviation for her to fly with ease and confidence as well as her easy radio speak. She's comfortable in this situation (the flying part) and that's cool as hell. As a pilot/mom/and wantabe superhero, I related to her on another level after this scene.
Come on people, stop saying it would have been too dark for a kids film. I handled the death of Mufasa and I handled the Hunchback of Notre Dame, I (and other kids at the time) could have handled that... Even if I still cry at Mufasa’s death and everytime the Gargoyles appear.
I think that the reason it should have been cut is that no end for the movie could have made the death of Snug feel resolved. It's like a real life death that is messy and unexpected with just a lot of grief attached to. Poor Elastagirl. She probably blames herself but she has to have a stiff upper lip to keep her family safe.
It's an unfortunate cut but a needed one. Perhaps in a world where the original movie could have been 15-20 minutes longer so we would have enough exposition on Snug and then a memorial for him at the end of the film. I think his character was cool and similar to how you have non-jedi in Star Wars like Han and Chewie working to save the world, you can have non-supers still be super.
From the scene of him talking to Helen, I think the relationship that was shown between then in the short amount of time and his likable personality was enough to show that Helen was attached and cared about him and showing that she cared would make the audience care. Like I said his personality seem that he was a fun guy easily likable. And I think that his death did bring something that the maybe the final script did not, and that is the death itself. I think this makes it a heavy for the kids who have never done hero work to see how dangerous this really is and that people do die. That the hero’s can’t always save everyone. Of course the thing was tragic enough for the kids but it’s like wow we survived that and I don’t think they learn how easily not everyone survives that.
The problem was to include Snug in the movie, they'd either have to cut off the introduction at the airport, the conversation before the missiles, or some other scenes in the movie they really thought were more important than establishing Snug. To include this entire storyboard in the final film, something else has to be lost.
I agree Nsug wa slikebale but ultimately they were pressed for time and exceeding the limit. Plus Helen and her kids made it just fine as it ended up being. Stakes were still high and still a dangerous situation.
Also, brad bird himself sounds like jason lee, ironically....the villain of the movie's voice actor. I feel they couldn't include SNUG either..because of the fact that the FAMILY themselves had so little screentime to boot...thats why it had to be aobut hte family the second part of the movie to give THEM more screentime. I hope he appears in a squel however...XD alongside frozone and increidbles.
Nah man.... that's too soul crushing for Helen and Violate... Like Helen basically dragged her old friend into this and got him killed because she chose to save her kids instead and violate could have saved them all if her mother had encouraged her to use her powers more often instead of hiding them...ngl this scene should have ruined their whole family dynamic and made the movie too dark for kids...not just because of the scene itself but for the repercussions it entails....also having Bob hear Helen on the radio makes his scenes during and after the crash more tense
could have made him uncle snug and tossed in pictures of him being at the wedding, being with them and their kids at the beach stuff like that without deviating from plot too much, but its pretty damn dark.
The guy on the left that brad bird the director of the incredibles on the right was talking to was mark andrews the story supervisor on the incredibles who previously worked on the iron giant as a story artist and workbook designer which brad bird previously directed on. (Just for people that didn't know who the two guys were at the beginning).
I feel so sad knowing I've watched the sequel and am reading comments from THREE YEARS ago being hopeful about Snug in a sequel even though he isn't even mentioned in Incredibles 2
I remember watching this on DVD as a child. Now, watching this, I think it would have been too dark for a Pixar movie. The Incredibles is actually the darkest Pixar movie for me, because many villains die, including Syndrom in a horrible way. But this would have been too much. Watching this version of the scene with 7 years old, would have been too scary for me.
the good thing is that in the actual movie Snug is still alive. he can be heard on the phone getting her the plane so maybe we can see him in a third film
To the people in the comments claiming this wasn't kid friendly: So, this wouldn't have been ok, but Mufasa's death in The Lion King was fine? And then Simba growing up thinking he did it was fine? Or the death of Littlefoot's mother and all the scenes with the T-Rex were fine? Those weren't too scary for kids? Or the revolution scene during the beginning of Anastasia? That was one of the most intense scenes I had ever seen as a kid.
I agree that it was ok to put a death scene but Brad didn't add this scene because mainly there wasn't enough time for Snug to have the audience a sense of sympathy and admiration to his character before his death. That's pretty much it was.
You can’t compare this character to Mufasa, etc. The only function of his character was to be tragically killed and “up the stakes”. Movies that insert characters with the sole intent of manipulating the audience’s emotions are cheap and disingenuous.
@Hayley Sullivan What is Mufasa and Littlefoot's mom's functions? To be loved figures to other main characters who will be loved by the audience as well before being tragically killed to develop the characters around them. Sounds just like Snug's role, only that his death is less integral to the movie. Also movies are literally built on making audiences feel a certain way. I get if the death seems like lazy writing like just a way to get rid of someone randomly, but I didn't get that feeling with Snug.
I’m kinda glad they took this scene out because I think with Helen as the pilot was a little more instants than with snug also I understand what brad bird was trying to do but to me snug’s death was dark and a bit unnecessary.
I feel like this could've worked if they introduced him earlier in the movie, maybe even in the prologue. As is, it feels like the only reason he exists is to die.
I'm soooooo so glad they cut this scene out. I would be crying a river if it was added. Also to those who think Snug is Violet's father, Snug is older than Helen so no
Snug could have been inspired by Steve Trevor, Wonder Woman's first love interest, the only difference is that it is a friendship, Snug could have worked alongside Elastigirl, taking her on top hero missions, and even was a super at one point.
Weird, they can have it so the main characters are either orphans or with only one living parent, but they can't kill off a treasured side character. Disney's weird that way
Fun Fact: There is a theory that Snug is Violet's biological father because of their matching facial features when put together side-by-side, also the theory implying that in 1948 where Helen may have cut off a private affair between her and Snug somewhere during her first year as Bob's wife because of Violet being 14.
Dusty no man in this earlier version if you watched this vid you can see snug and Helen with the kids outside in an airport so in this version Helen DID took them with her maybe in this version of the movie Helen couldnt trust leaving the children alone in the house (i know they have powers and that in the final film they sneaked their way in the plane but i think in this version she is overprotective and thats why she took them with her in the airport) have a nice day and hope that i helped ya out with my theory
The scene was great but it really would've been too dark and heavy, just considering the emotional toll it would've had on Dash and Violet, Violet especially. It would've distracted from her story arc in the film. It's one thing to have your lack of confidence result in a failure to protect that DOESN'T get anyone killed, it's a whole other can of worms to feel like you inadvertently KILLED someone.
if the film were made today, with streaming and different audience expectations, I think Snug definitely could have had the extra few minutes needed to develop him
