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The Insane Ackermann Function 

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Researchers proved that navigating certain systems of vectors is among the most complex computational problems and involves a function called the Ackermann function. Find out how an easy-sounding problem yields numbers too big for our universe.
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@OutsiderLabs
@OutsiderLabs Месяц назад
Ackerman has only one function: to pwn titans
@phazerxp339
@phazerxp339 Месяц назад
I'm glad people are still using pwned in 2024.
@OutsiderLabs
@OutsiderLabs Месяц назад
@@phazerxp339 I am a product of my time
@leinadnolor
@leinadnolor Месяц назад
jj
@LinkRammer
@LinkRammer Месяц назад
Knew it'd be commented
@gamespotlive3673
@gamespotlive3673 Месяц назад
lol
@tjrh123
@tjrh123 2 месяца назад
New favourite word unlocked: quinquagintillion
@onurakcay061
@onurakcay061 2 месяца назад
they done achieved quagmiremillion
@atomgutan8064
@atomgutan8064 2 месяца назад
Googology words are fun
@JeadyVT
@JeadyVT 2 месяца назад
i know that one from cookies clicker
@kneau
@kneau 2 месяца назад
Me in fourth grade, after coming across 'antidisestablishmentarianism' The risk assessment always running within my mind has prompted me to return and add apostrophes.
@cosmosapien597
@cosmosapien597 2 месяца назад
Quinquagintillionaire
@solarsystem1958
@solarsystem1958 2 месяца назад
pov: you've been inventing your sorting algorithms and ended up with complexity of A(n) ☠️
@FreeFireFull
@FreeFireFull 2 месяца назад
Fun fact: There are some algorithms whose time complexity is the inverse of the ackermann function.
@gabrielmello3293
@gabrielmello3293 2 месяца назад
@@FreeFireFull so pretty much constant
@theairaccumulator7144
@theairaccumulator7144 2 месяца назад
​@@FreeFireFullsuch as?
@FreeFireFull
@FreeFireFull 2 месяца назад
@@theairaccumulator7144 Searching through a disjoin-set forest
@battesonb
@battesonb 2 месяца назад
​@@theairaccumulator7144 the union and find operations for a weighted union find with path compression.
@not_mukul
@not_mukul 2 месяца назад
zeke won't enjoy studying this function
@ssoark
@ssoark 2 месяца назад
💀
@setabkhan3081
@setabkhan3081 2 месяца назад
I searched for someone mentioning AOT
@JustDeerLol
@JustDeerLol 2 месяца назад
Hello fellow AOT fan
@Letsdraw534
@Letsdraw534 2 месяца назад
hi brother
@mriz
@mriz 2 месяца назад
Collosal Number also mentioned 😂
@nunkatsu
@nunkatsu Месяц назад
"Ackermann function" "Colossal number" Aot mentioned
@KasparOne
@KasparOne Месяц назад
in the 50's scientists once attempted to calculate A[5], but the piece of paper on which the calculations were performed quickly turned into a black hole
@shriiimp
@shriiimp Месяц назад
Since they disappeared, they couldn't tell us what they saw.
@jean-joseftolosa8404
@jean-joseftolosa8404 Месяц назад
You've def earned it for summoning a titanic fandom.
@keshavvelayudhannair
@keshavvelayudhannair 2 месяца назад
And after tetration (for 4) You get pentation (for 5) Pentation is just a tower of tetration Tetration of tetration Tetration 5 times is pentation of five It is represented by a 5 with a small five on its left side bottom (5 with ⁵ at bottom left)
@Yjvt
@Yjvt Месяц назад
So as n>3 it just n{n-2}n
@concerninghobbits5536
@concerninghobbits5536 Месяц назад
Do you happen to know how high it goes before we don't have standard ways of notating it? Or is there a repeatable pattern at some point? I would've guessed pentation would be just more exponents stacked up, so you'd quickly end up with an absurd amount of exponents towered up but nobody has any need to ever write that.
@keshavvelayudhannair
@keshavvelayudhannair Месяц назад
@@concerninghobbits5536 yeah It is surely very large It might have more than a million digits
@Yjvt
@Yjvt Месяц назад
So A(n) as n>3 its just n{n-2}2 Before you ask what's that this is BEAF notation so a{n}b is equal to a↑ⁿb (n is just n Arrow for shorthand) (a is number we gonna repeat) (b is how much we gonna repeat)
@joaquinginestet4813
@joaquinginestet4813 Месяц назад
what you get? 😧 pen*t*ation?
@mdahsanraza
@mdahsanraza 2 месяца назад
Is this by Levi or mikasa?!
@Thenormalguy101
@Thenormalguy101 2 месяца назад
TATAKAE
@phantomphoenix8828
@phantomphoenix8828 Месяц назад
Naaah, it's Kenny
@noobtommy4739
@noobtommy4739 Месяц назад
@@phantomphoenix8828 more like "Keeenneeaayyyy!"
@Pining_for_the_fjords
@Pining_for_the_fjords 2 месяца назад
In other words, the Ackerman function would be useful for describing the weight of your mum.
@victorfunnyman
@victorfunnyman 2 месяца назад
my guy
@DirghayuKekre-pg7jf
@DirghayuKekre-pg7jf 2 месяца назад
Gotta change your phone's password, or your dead body won't be found even after n(4) years 😅😅😅
@JUSTREGULARSCREAMINGAAHH
@JUSTREGULARSCREAMINGAAHH 2 месяца назад
​@@DirghayuKekre-pg7jfdude
@gw6667
@gw6667 2 месяца назад
Your brit is hanging out
@EnerJetix
@EnerJetix 2 месяца назад
The weight of CaseOh
@1ntegerLimit
@1ntegerLimit 2 месяца назад
And SQUARE it is mad
@skeletoncrew3110
@skeletoncrew3110 Месяц назад
AND THAT'S JUST AT 4!!!!!!!!!!
@JordanMetroidManiac
@JordanMetroidManiac Месяц назад
For those that don’t know how to visualize “squaring” it, it is equivalent to think of each atom of the universe containing an equally sized universe within itself. So imagine there are multiple universes of equal size, and the number of universes is equal to the number of atoms in one of them. The total number of atoms across all universes is the square of the number of atoms in our (observable) universe. It is not really a number that can be comprehended by us.
@Joshua-uwafili
@Joshua-uwafili Месяц назад
fr😭
@milanstevic8424
@milanstevic8424 Месяц назад
@@JordanMetroidManiac so sad, I was just about to comprehend 1 universe
@matthiasbendewald1803
@matthiasbendewald1803 13 дней назад
Yes and it is just the "number of zeros". You know, like a million has 6. This number is a bit out of comprehension or calculation or anything, just crazy...
@luckycandy4823
@luckycandy4823 2 месяца назад
It's actually very simple and beautiful idea, suppose you give me a list of functions f_n(x) with x natural, each growing faster than the one before. Now I could apply the diagonal n -> f_n(n) Which grows faster than each f_n. To get Ackermann you just choose some functions f_n, there are variations, the one I learnt was f_1(x)=2x and we get f_(n+1)(x) by iterating f_n(f_n(...f_n(1))...) x times, so that f_2(x)=2^x, f_3(x)=2^2^...^2 x times etc. Hope you have a wonderful day😊
@nickronca1562
@nickronca1562 2 месяца назад
A. Look up fast growing hierarchy. B. f_2(x) = (2^x)*x not just 2^x
@Yjvt
@Yjvt Месяц назад
oh you mean fast growing hierarchy where fω(n) = fn(n) where f_1(n) is fⁿ0(n) which is 2n {the n is superscript} f_2(n) is fⁿ1(n) which is 2ⁿ×n so fα(n) is fⁿα-1(n)
@Domo3000
@Domo3000 2 месяца назад
You got this completely wrong. This has nothing to do with the Ackerman function, except that both grow fast. The Ackerman function is a recursive function with 3 arguments. And it grows even faster and takes much longer to compute.
@maxaafbackname5562
@maxaafbackname5562 2 месяца назад
That is was I learned. A very fast function rhat can only implement recursive, not interactive. A pure recursive function. There is a Computerphule video about it for example.
@nosterkristoffbaron8819
@nosterkristoffbaron8819 2 месяца назад
I immediately searched this up on Google. You were right, @Domo3000.
@AnyVideo999
@AnyVideo999 2 месяца назад
Thank you for saying this, I thought I was going insane watching this haha
@adamnevraumont4027
@adamnevraumont4027 Месяц назад
There is an ackerman 1 argument function, 2 arguments and 3. They are all closely related.
@jeffwells641
@jeffwells641 Месяц назад
I see you all looked this up on Wikipedia, and then boldly and confidently completely misunderstood what Wikipedia said. Well done, you've made yourselves look like idiots. A(m, n, p) is the original form of the function, as Ackermann described it. A(n) as described in the video is an alternate representation of the EXACT SAME FUNCTION. The Ackermann function doesn't grow faster than the Ackermann function, because it obviously IS the Ackermann function. There are ways of configuring it with A(m, n, p) that grow faster than the one typically used for A(n), however. Dunning-Kruger strikes again!
@Misteribel
@Misteribel Месяц назад
Its main use was to demonstrate a total computable function that is not primitively recursive. The original has three arguments. You essentially showed A(n, n, n) here, where all arguments are equal.
@ReginaldCarey
@ReginaldCarey 2 месяца назад
What is A[pi]? What would the analytic continuation look like?
@neodimium
@neodimium 2 месяца назад
Interesting question
@Lord_Drakostar
@Lord_Drakostar 2 месяца назад
first youd have to do something like A[3.5] youre looking at fractional hyperoperations, which is something fascinating but im not sure theres any documentation on
@nickronca1562
@nickronca1562 2 месяца назад
​@@Lord_DrakostarA[3.5] would be two 3.5's with 1.5 up arrows in between but so far I haven't heard of anyways to have a fractional number of up arrows.
@Lord_Drakostar
@Lord_Drakostar 2 месяца назад
@@nickronca1562 hyper-3.5 yes
@ReginaldCarey
@ReginaldCarey 2 месяца назад
@@Lord_Drakostar Fractional Hyperoperations has to be the coolest phase I’ve heard in a long time. I agree I thinking that working on the solution to a rational might give insight into the solution between A(3) and A(4). It feels like this multi-function (if that’s the right term) is highly ill behaved. Is there a Taylor series expansion for tetration?
@carultch
@carultch 2 месяца назад
Ackermann Function with Graham's number as both of the parameters.
@gooodels
@gooodels 2 месяца назад
at the scale of grahams number, this is really not that much bigger
@adamnevraumont4027
@adamnevraumont4027 Месяц назад
G_64 is A^64(4) - to make Graham's number be small, you want to use better tools, not boring "function applications". Like use ordinals to define recursion and grab a large ordinal and have it define recursion of n:->n+1… Or pull out busy beaver, or other powerful tools.
@nzqarc
@nzqarc Месяц назад
That's smaller than G(65) lmao
@Yjvt
@Yjvt Месяц назад
Ack function < Graham Number why? So we gonna use BEAF notation a{n}b a is what number gonna repeat,n is n Arrow for shorthand,b is how much repeat to a uhh let's start with graham first G_0 = 4 G_1 = 3{4}3 or 3↑↑↑↑3(hexation) ≈ A(5) G_2 = 3{3{4}3}3 you should do inside first then outside G_3 = 3{3{3{4}3}3}3 G_n = 3{...{4}...}3 with n times
@onionman8160
@onionman8160 Месяц назад
If you want to dwarf Graham's number, it's more fun to use faster growing function, like the TREE function or busy beaver game. Both of those would quickly surpass anything you put into the Ackermann or g function.
@PhilipSportel
@PhilipSportel 2 месяца назад
I drove past Qinquagintillion on my way to Muskoka
@arpangupta69420
@arpangupta69420 2 месяца назад
KENNYYYY!
@mincat1412
@mincat1412 Месяц назад
oh, you haven’t grown at all!
@arpangupta69420
@arpangupta69420 16 дней назад
@@mincat1412 AoT reference: ✅
@tahmeedmansib4767
@tahmeedmansib4767 Месяц назад
Ah yes, the Ackermann function, the mathematical attempt to scale Levi's power level.
@jotarokujo9759
@jotarokujo9759 Месяц назад
Didn't know Mikasa was this good at math
@space_twitch1926
@space_twitch1926 Месяц назад
How would A(0) be? I can't think of any operations below addition, and A(0) = 0 seems like an incomplete answer...?
@Freddie_Office
@Freddie_Office Месяц назад
it would be 1 since the first hyperoperation is the successor function which is just adding 1 to a number
@leslieviljoen
@leslieviljoen 2 месяца назад
I'm glad we know how many atoms there are in the universe, I would have thought that would be impossible to know.
@adamnevraumont4027
@adamnevraumont4027 Месяц назад
"Observable universe" and an upper bound. The point is this grows so fast that it blows past such upper bounds, squared.
@adamsmith7885
@adamsmith7885 Месяц назад
so you believe in an unobservable universe? without observable evidence for it?
@adamnevraumont4027
@adamnevraumont4027 Месяц назад
@@adamsmith7885 I mean, suppose you have a flashlight. And you know the flashlight has a 1 meter range. And in every direction you see stuff, with no special edge at 1 meter. Would it be reasonable to assume "what I can observe is an artifact of my measuring device, and not the limit of reality"? We can observe some chunk of the universe. Assuming "it probably doesn't stop right at the edge of what we can see" seems reasonable.
@adamsmith7885
@adamsmith7885 Месяц назад
@@adamnevraumont4027 you aren't familiar with what "Observable Universe" means. It doesn't mean "observed-so-far universe".
@adamnevraumont4027
@adamnevraumont4027 Месяц назад
@@adamsmith7885 I am glad you are telepathic. Keep up the good work. This is not sarcasm. No really, no sarcasm at all. It is pure praise at your amazing abilities. Be content at how impressed everyone is.
@The_Engineerr
@The_Engineerr Месяц назад
''This escalated quickly''
@joaosa3689
@joaosa3689 2 месяца назад
Good. Now extend it to the rationals
@MegaArti2000
@MegaArti2000 Месяц назад
I had never seen Ackerman's function actual meaning besides being purely recursive. This content is good stuff!!
@fosascomunes
@fosascomunes 2 месяца назад
Actually, A(4) is 4^1.34e+154, the number can't even be written, there's not enough of anmything to write it
@sgbench
@sgbench 2 месяца назад
I guess you mean that all of its *digits* can't be written. The number itself can be written very easily: A(4).
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k 26 дней назад
You misspelled anything
@Jalalx
@Jalalx Месяц назад
Well, that escalated quickly
@theflamingmustafa7852
@theflamingmustafa7852 29 дней назад
levi going crazy w this one
@TheRealGregariousGreg
@TheRealGregariousGreg Месяц назад
Going from 27 to roughly 1 quinguagintillion in one go is kinda crazy
@duncreg
@duncreg День назад
This is why mathematicians ought to be licensed.
@Ygerna
@Ygerna 23 дня назад
You can also write tetration with only 2 symbols. Instead of putting the "exponent" on the top right of the base, you write it on the top left. Quintation being the next step and you write it either with three arrows as you showed or on the bottom left. Pentation on the bottom right
@symmetrie_bruch
@symmetrie_bruch Месяц назад
it´s used to slay titans and protect eren
@m.v.j6804
@m.v.j6804 11 дней назад
I was not expecting this ackerman
@alt_meta3077
@alt_meta3077 26 дней назад
This is not the full ackermann function. The full process is described recursively, as this version relies on knuth arrows, which ackermann does not have credit to. Ackermann's function relies on the "Ackermann's Worm" which is a weaker version of the Beklemishev Worm. You begin with a number, and a "row" number. eg 2 [1] 1. If list empty, return row 2. Else, increment row, 3. If last term = 0, delete it 4. Else, replace the last term with "row" copies of last term - 1 Process for A(2,1) is as follows: 2[1] 1,1[2] 1,0,0,0[3] 1,0,0[4] 1,0[5] 1[6] 0,0,0...[7] [14] A(2,1) = 14
@ceramic5153
@ceramic5153 Месяц назад
Its threatening to watch that two pop up on the final image with no volume
@devnarula2003
@devnarula2003 Месяц назад
even cooler is the disjoint set union runtime can be optimized to inverse ackermann, which unlike ackermann grows extremely slowly, becoming near O(1)
@cgillespie78
@cgillespie78 2 месяца назад
Can it take negative or non-integer inputs?
@tulpamedia
@tulpamedia Месяц назад
It's really dope hearing someone talk about tetration! In my opinion, it's a very under-discussed operation!
@RSLT
@RSLT Месяц назад
GREAT VIDEO 📹 👍 👏 👌
@tomkerruish2982
@tomkerruish2982 2 дня назад
For something really fast-growing, check out Goodstein sequences.
@yeetyeet7070
@yeetyeet7070 Месяц назад
Benannt nach einem gewissen Sparkassenvorstand und beschreibt die Geschwindigkeit mit der Gelder in schwarze Kassen verschwinden?
@alexcastrotello5165
@alexcastrotello5165 Месяц назад
Thats a crazy sequence
@prashil3k594
@prashil3k594 Месяц назад
Ackerman function leads to a colossal number....Hmmmmmmmm. KENNYYY!
@Rudxain
@Rudxain Месяц назад
The *true limits* of computation are the Busy-Beaver fns. Ack was just the 1st fn to prove "non-primitive" recursive fns exist and are computable
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 29 дней назад
I don't think it counts if the function isn't computable in the first place. :-) There are lots of uncomputable functions that show the limits of computation.
@Rudxain
@Rudxain 25 дней назад
@@darrennew8211 I agree
@the98goober
@the98goober Месяц назад
quinquagintillion is a word I’ve never heard before
@TimJSwan
@TimJSwan Месяц назад
The reason why it tests the limits of computation it's not because the numbers are large but because it is a small simple testable example of a non-primitive recursive function
@Mr.Yash_GB
@Mr.Yash_GB Месяц назад
Bro summoned the entire aot fandom 😂
@D_Cragoon
@D_Cragoon Месяц назад
"That escalated quickly." meme.
@NSGrendel
@NSGrendel Месяц назад
As soon as I heard, "Tower of Powers" I immediately though of Frank Zappa and "Bobby Brown".
@martbhdsuai
@martbhdsuai Месяц назад
Great video. I remember implementing karatsuba and dft integer multiplication for a final project in my advanced algorithms class. I have to say I felt quite smug after your karatsuba performance was equally as shit as mine 😂
@MisterIncog
@MisterIncog Месяц назад
Me and the boys about to pull up to the ackerman function
@user-ct2dj4bg6s
@user-ct2dj4bg6s Месяц назад
So what is A(inf) or A(-inf) or even A(0.5) would be?
@yodxxx1
@yodxxx1 Месяц назад
Me typing 10 into a computer and causing a instant black hole
@_noturn0_474
@_noturn0_474 Месяц назад
Everyone gangsta till the ackerman function of 1/2
@TheGamingG810
@TheGamingG810 2 месяца назад
In beaf terms, A(n)={n,n,n-2}
@Yjvt
@Yjvt Месяц назад
Was it like n{n-2}n ?
@ArkSriva
@ArkSriva 2 месяца назад
A[5] ?
@neodimium
@neodimium 2 месяца назад
Tetration in exponent?
@xinterest9029
@xinterest9029 2 месяца назад
That would look like 5 raised to itself in a tower of exponents with height equal to the quantity of 5 raised to itself four times, minus 1. I HOPE I got that correct. Someone else can figure out the magnitude if they want lol
@EdKolis
@EdKolis 2 месяца назад
Your puter a splode, that's how much it is
@jeffwells641
@jeffwells641 Месяц назад
@@EdKolis My puter sploded at universe^2.
@Yjvt
@Yjvt Месяц назад
5↑↑↑5 or 5{3}5
@larrywhitney
@larrywhitney 25 дней назад
We can finally measure how heavy caseoh is
@wyboo2019
@wyboo2019 Месяц назад
i wonder how quickly the equivalent for the commutative hyper-operations is. suppose you have some binary operation + and you want to create a hyperoperation •, then we define the commutative hyperoperations as: ln(a•b)=ln(a)+ln(b) clearly this turns addition into multiplication, but it also turns multiplication into a new operation, which is like a commutative version of exponentiation. this new operation is a^ln(b)=b^ln(a)=exp(ln(a)ln(b)) then just do the ackermann function thing with this. not sure if itd work well because the domains of the commutative hyperoperations are weird
@Azman-bt8yw
@Azman-bt8yw 2 месяца назад
do ackermann numbers pls
@Theguyfromvoid
@Theguyfromvoid 26 дней назад
Well well well, if ain't that escalated quickly.
@turolretar
@turolretar Месяц назад
What is Quagmire doing here?
@Jesse608
@Jesse608 Месяц назад
Thank you
@damianzieba5133
@damianzieba5133 Месяц назад
I'm curious what's before one in that function
@heterodoxagnostic8070
@heterodoxagnostic8070 Месяц назад
I came up with this function in like grade 6 or something after learning about exponentiation.
@Controlled_Khaos
@Controlled_Khaos Месяц назад
"and square it" oh you ate that
@Letsdraw534
@Letsdraw534 2 месяца назад
levi ackermann
@professorboltzmann5709
@professorboltzmann5709 2 месяца назад
What’s the use of this mysterious function? Except being stupidly large ??!
@vyrsh0
@vyrsh0 2 месяца назад
It shows that all primitive recursive functions are total recursive.. but not all total recursive functions are primitive recursive. The actual Ackerman function takes 3 inputs. I've not seen the proof. The proof I know uses an imaginary language called the bloop language in which all the functions in the language are primitive recursive. The proof involves proving that we can't write the interpreter of the bloop language using bloop and we use a diagonal argument to prove that. it's a really simple and beautiful proof so I encourage you to check it out.
@zzappligator
@zzappligator 2 месяца назад
Maybe someone can find a use, maybe not.
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo 2 месяца назад
It determines a lower limit for computation. Under A(4) you cannot compute. Maybe we build microbots. But we can never build nanobots.
@sevaluoth
@sevaluoth 2 месяца назад
​@@armandaneshjooI can't understand how is the size of robots related to this function,
@armandaneshjoo
@armandaneshjoo 2 месяца назад
@@sevaluoth We need to go crazy small in order to go to space. We need nano-chips on micro rockets. We need microchips on small rockets. But Computation has a lower limit. If your chips are too small or too basic, they cannot do enough. So we can't easily scale down.
@radicant7283
@radicant7283 Месяц назад
Why stop at 4?
@Ympatisec2K24
@Ympatisec2K24 Месяц назад
A(100)=A100(1,2)2 or 100{98}100 /100^...^10 x98 / {100, 100, 98}.
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k 26 дней назад
Because When A(5) hits, We have Pentation
Месяц назад
how does this relate to the two parameters version?
@everyhandletaken
@everyhandletaken Месяц назад
I think you calculated my brain cells in the first equation 🥹
@Terraspark4941
@Terraspark4941 Месяц назад
when i heard the number of the particles in the universe _squared_ my jaw literally fell off
@kiti_cat524
@kiti_cat524 28 дней назад
Ackermann sequence: 2 4 27 10^10^153
@malavoy1
@malavoy1 2 месяца назад
Actually the 4 is being raised to 4^256 which is the quinquagintillion. So it's even worse than they stated.
@JustDeerLol
@JustDeerLol 2 месяца назад
What about smth like A[3.5]? Seems unreasonable to have the 3.5th hyperoperation and do it 3.5 times
@conman0414
@conman0414 2 месяца назад
This would break the function. First it's important to note that the most commonly used version of the Ackerman function is actually a binary function. It's implemented in such a way that if either of the inputs to the function are greater than zero, it subtracts one from them and they get fed back into the function recursively until they equal zero, at which point the function returns. Since you can't obtain 0 by iteratively subtracting 1 away from a non-integer number (such as 3.5), the function is only defined for the natural numbers.
@JustDeerLol
@JustDeerLol 2 месяца назад
@@conman0414 i just wondered if it can be generalized, just like how factorial can be applied to all real numbers when its just a recursive function and was only defined for natural numbers
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k 26 дней назад
It’s Impossible to do it with decimals So Yeah. My answer is idk
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k 26 дней назад
Or if i guess… It’s 3.5{1.5}3.5
@everettflores738
@everettflores738 Месяц назад
What's the next higher function?
@dpie4859
@dpie4859 Месяц назад
But Tree(3) grows MUCH faster. Its insane.
@shiinondogewalker2809
@shiinondogewalker2809 Месяц назад
@@dpie4859 technically Tree(3) doesn't grow at all, it's a constant number. But the Tree function does, yeah
@element1192
@element1192 Месяц назад
A(0) should be 1 because addition of natural numbers is just repeated addition of 1, so it's 0+1, and A(-1) could be interpreted as -1, using an even simpler operation which just returns its input. Going further, A(-2) could be 0, using the simplest operation which returns the same thing and takes no input. A(-2) = 0 A(-1) = -1 A(1) = 1+1 = 2 A(2) = 2·2 = 4 A(3) = 3³ = 27 A(4) = 4^(4^(4^4)) = 4^(13,407,807,929,942,597,099,574,024,998,205,846,127,479,365,820,592,393,377,723,561,443,721,764,030,073,546,976,801,874,298,166,903,427,690,031,858,186,486,050,853,753,882,811,946,569,946,433,649,006,084,096) From this extension, it's clear that A(-3) and below would be meaningless, but could we define A(½), A(3⁄2), or A(5⁄2)?
@CraftyF0X
@CraftyF0X Месяц назад
Well, it's escalated quickly.... as they say.
@raymitchell9736
@raymitchell9736 Месяц назад
So a[5] ... and so on ?? It's a virtual cliffhanger! That's computationally complex!!!
@ThatobjectArtist
@ThatobjectArtist Месяц назад
note: this is the single-argument ackermann function the actual function is 3-arguments long
@vari6989
@vari6989 15 дней назад
finally someone from googology server
@jimmysyar889
@jimmysyar889 Месяц назад
Another way to think about universe squared is an entire universe for ever particle in this universe.
@olszabpo
@olszabpo Месяц назад
waiting for the release of nigganilion
@xmurrcattx3498
@xmurrcattx3498 Месяц назад
and if you repeat the tower of powers, you get funky 16ths
@savitasharma5325
@savitasharma5325 9 дней назад
“Ah, no one can visualise this thing” Meanwhile this guy:
@thatawesomeplant1924
@thatawesomeplant1924 Месяц назад
Is this function defined for decimal numbers
@sunday_g
@sunday_g Месяц назад
Tower of power mentioned 🎺
@72dew
@72dew 2 месяца назад
What happens at A[5]?
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k 26 дней назад
It’s 5^^^5
@MichaelMoore99
@MichaelMoore99 Месяц назад
Must be Australian, because that's a Huge Ackermann.
@Lani-5
@Lani-5 Месяц назад
So A(n) = n{n-2}n?
@Apollorion
@Apollorion Месяц назад
What is A(0) ? Is this Ackermann function continuous?
@INLF
@INLF Месяц назад
A new busy beaver value was recently proven BB(5)=47,176,870 The Busy beaver function is the fastest growing function which is still computable and grows even faster than this.
@darrennew8211
@darrennew8211 29 дней назад
The busy beaver function isn't computable. If it were, you could solve all kinds of problems like the halting problem, simply by knowing that the longest computation a program that big will take is BB(...)
@devclst
@devclst Месяц назад
erwin dancho would be proud
@EmmanuelGiouvanopoulos
@EmmanuelGiouvanopoulos Месяц назад
My math shower thoughts fr
@azaria_phd
@azaria_phd Месяц назад
I mean, the limits of computation as in "if you try to calculate a number with more digits than there are atoms in the observable universe you can't".
@largestudent198
@largestudent198 25 дней назад
And this yet discourages tenacious tricksters
@iwowowl1654
@iwowowl1654 22 дня назад
Continue the sequence: 2, 4, ?, ?
@eniky
@eniky Месяц назад
Is there an analytic continuetion of that function to Real or complex numbers?
@BombaSoup
@BombaSoup Месяц назад
Busy Beaver would like to have a word with mister Ackerman
@AdvaitBhalerao
@AdvaitBhalerao Месяц назад
What about A[G(64)] i.e, Graham's Number??
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k Месяц назад
A(G64)?
@Photos-s7k
@Photos-s7k Месяц назад
That’s G64{G64-2}G64
@AdvaitBhalerao
@AdvaitBhalerao Месяц назад
G64 followed by G64 arrows...
@cube1720
@cube1720 2 месяца назад
Well my idea was already found
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