The INSANE Bulgarian Doping Plan | @MorePlatesMoreDates 

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In Bulgaria we have a saying: "Our doping team was caught weightlifting"

"Without chemistry there is no physics." Bulgarian proverb

As a bulgarian, I have to say that the nickname of Abadzhiev was "the butcher". He didn't care, he was pedal to the metal, and his lifters were training injured. You have to notice that this was the time of communism, and you have no choice, except to listen to your coach.

I (bulgarian)used to know a guy who was olympic lifter during this time - he was around 70kg. And he was lifting aroung 10-40tons a day. and the drugs were making him crazy. He said - i felt like i can tie a knot with the bar... he was a ruin at the age of 45...

Poor Zack. Derek is not as overly enthusiastic as he wants him to be.

Lmao, as a Bulgarian, this makes me smile. Stuff was waaaaaaay out of the charts back then ( I do remember those times ). Check out our women in the athletics department at the time, they all look like men with the jaws and everything.

When talking about the time he had a near miss of a world record clean and jerk attempt infront of a government official, Hristov mentioned that "breaking Alexiev's record wouldn't have been good for his health". That's the most eastern bloc shit I've ever heard

The collab we never knew we needed

"Volga" car in those days for an ordinary person in the Soviet block country was like getting a $100,000 car for an average North American today.

Please make that Tren cough exchange into a short. It was so good 🤣🤣

Maybe the problem for most people is competition itself. I picked up a book on parkour on a whim and there was this whole section on philosophy that really struck me that spoke about their aversion to competition. That kid in the big box gym who only trains for appearances and comparison to others, who turns to drugs, really is not that different from the parkour kid who fell of a rooftop because he wanted to prove he was as good or better than the other parkour kids. I don’t exactly know the answer, but I do know most people would be happier if they trained for longevity and perfection of technique. That does not solve the problem at the competitive level, but maybe we ought to be focused more on the Dan Johns of the world who age strong. I find drug use unimpressive. Aging well is hard AF.

So that's where Blue Mountain State's top linebacker, Thad Castle got the idea for an oil change from.

Man did it for a new Volga. The reward has more than repaid all the efforts

At that time the brand name for Dbol was Bionabol made in Bulgaria. It was 2 mg, not 5. Retabolil is still available today and it's 50 mg/ml

This is what weight lifting has always been about. They tried really hard in London 2012, and most lifters were relatively clean then, but the results were so disappointing. This is one of the costs of becoming a champion. Swimming, tennis, track, cycling. It is all the same, just some countries can afford better drugs

WE’RE DOIN OIL CHANGES AND THATS FINAL!

I come everyday after the gym to get dinner and watch one of your videos, I'm enjoying this routine a lot, thanks for the great content guys!

25mgs of dbol and 5RM goes up on bench like 5%. 1000mg is ridiculous but they also didn’t have the internet back then, they really had no idea about dosing.

Man this podcast is gold!

man I've been slacking on those vids for a couple of weeks but I am so happy seeing you guys making this content together, totally love it!

Is Trenkoff a Bulgarian lifter? Who that?

Used dbol for 1 and a half month, 30mg. Blood pressure went high, couldn't deadlift heavy because of the nausea I would feel and my acne got back. Urine had a normal appearance but the smell was more intense. Did all the bloodwork 2 months later, everything went back to normal, except testosterone that was a bit lower than before. First and last time with any PED. With that amount they were using they must've been trying to make human foie gras.

keep up with the Bulgarian and/or eastern european stuff. Very valuable what do the americans think about us about sport related topics

Abadjiev ,was known as the Pope of weightlifting..the coach with most word,European and Olympic titles and records,for any sport in 20th Century. Perhaps none of you both know that.

You can't see what was really happening . Because you are completely separated from those times and places. The serious sad faces are not what you think. It was the culture, that is how we acted that's how everybody looked - dead serious and sad. Each one of those guys is a genetic freak of proportions hard to imagine. There were recruiters constantly visiting every school actively trying to find talent for all kinds of sports. The training was beyond brutal for any sport you got into. Everything was serious, nobody considered it could be fun. That is how the culture was. Find and translate the info about Abadjiev's youth and how he started weightlifting - it's a story of obsession, drive, genetic potential. The concept of overtraining did not exist. Three days (and nights) of what he did completely clean day in day out/night in night out and 99.9% of people will end up the ER - juicers or not. Those were different times and people had a different mindset - there are many examples of that in sports arena and outside of it. The drug use - do you really think that in a country you believe to be communist an athlete "decides" what to take or not take, when to start and stop? You are discussing things that are so far from where all of us, Bulgarian or not, are now that it makes the interview perfect for the internet - lots of shocking "facts", but really just fluff.

This is what I think. Generally, there is no sport (professional) without doping, but even with drugs, not everyone becomes a champion or at least a top athlete. Of course, there are always two points of view but Abadziev is one of these guys, who was an innovator in the weightlifting process and the way of training. Good or bad his name is well-known in the sport, so nothing but respect for him!

Derek is like "Wtf am I doing here"

How can they recover from maxing out 3 times a day 18 times a week …. 1:36 ah. I see 😊

Българи юнаци!

I know personally Valentin Hristov and I am friend with his sons Valentin and Boris. So about the urine “scene” he told us something like:”So we are at the drug testing and we’re about to piss. I am loaded with a clean urine and have nothing to worry about but I am afraid my bladder will explode every moment! And there’s the chinese powerlifter taking a piss right before I do and wow!!! His piss is in Hulk green !!! And I’m like That dude can not pass the piss test, no way!? Lol!” But guess what happened after?! Bulgarian team was “caught” juicing and they took away Valentin’s new car and the medals but the Chinese team was clean with those Tibetian herbs for cleaning their system which made their piss electric green!

So sad! I remember back in the 80's people talking about the Bulgarian system like it was a miracle in strength training then you find out it was all based on a lie. I feel sorry for the athletes forced to compete.

This is why listening to guys on you tube on how to train dosnt work . The guys telling you how to train are on steroids and they recover faster . You can't train like that or you will fall apart

As a Bulgarian, I don't really take pride in what he did back then. Plenty of injuries, broken souls and bad health with a very little return. But a good example nonetheless on what NOT to do. Doping is still pretty common in Bulgaria today.

This interaction sounds like a middle school sleepover story..

Appreciate the info you(and especially MPMD) are putting out here

GREAT vid gentlemen !! a video about the roaring 90s Greek team of coach Jakovou and PyrrosDimas would be also FUNtastic

I don't know why you demonize the man. Everybody was doping back then, and you can bet your life that they are still doing it right now. And still, nobody has Abadjievs results. It wasnt even close before Bulgaria was around 6 mil people and were winnig 75%of all medals in any weightlifting competition for at least 20 years. There was no success prior to Abadjiev becoming the head coach, and nowadays our team is just starting to regain its former. glory, did pretty good last world championship,Carlos Nasar is the guy who will become unbeatable ,almost already is at 18.Already holds world records for men. My point is Ivan Abadjiev is a legend, and even if these weightlifters went through hell, now their names are engraved in history forever. Galabin Boevski would've been just a narcotraficer , not a multiple world and Olympic champion. So it was definitely worth it.

A family friend explained that in Bulgarian communism and being high poverty lifters wanted to escape and provide for their families. Many lifters failed and got big injuries but the ones that survived became champions

Abadjiev was number 1 on the planet coach ! Friend of mine did a training camp a with him was taking 1 tea spoon dbol per day heavy weight

Derek is such an awesome dude

I am Bulgarian. The first thing I've learned about lifting weights is Deca.

Иван Абаджиев was a great man. He passed away in 2017, leaving a legacy of world champions behind him.

Лагерите на националния отбор по вдигане на тежести са оставили доста деца с травми за цял живот . До нас е достигнала само историята на тези, които са издържали и са станали състезатели.

“Oil changes for everyone!” -Thad Castle

I heard my PE teacher saying that the weighlifting team coach was telling them that they're gonna lift until they shit blood. (I am Bulgarian btw)

Those doses had to of given these cirrhosis, that's crazy dangerous. It would be interesting to somehow follow up with these guys in the years following those doses.

I would like to see the team that did and does not take copious amounts of drugs . Those substances help but are not a the reason one athlete wins over the other. Abadjiev was simply the GOAT anything else is just envy.

I think that guy rich God rest his soul really put the pin in the balloon with this information and started this trend it's not even a trend anymore.. thank you for your sacrifice and hard work I know the high majority of the fitness industry hate guys like you.. I do think if this goes on for another decade or so the whole industry is going to come out and just say they're all doping monsters and that's going to be that lol

In Bulgaria we often say 'The national dope (weightlifting) team has been caught with weights (dope)'. I am pretty sure that most of the world class Olympic athletes are on PEDs. It is usually a State sponsored program just like we saw in Icarus.

Yes, Verona is in Italy-you got it correct! :)

In Bulgaria and Russia the Olympic doping team just happens to weight lift.

Everyone talking smack on Dbol. I've had great experiences with it. The best quote I've ever heard describing how Dbol makes you feel is: "It gives you an overall sense of well-being". Truer words have never been spoken.

So thats the real reason rauno heinla cough before a lift 😂?

I did his “train legs everyday, 70%-90% pb. I was 185kg at the time. I became stronger, more energetic, mentally tough and I lost weight. I’m 125kg fit now. I read it and tried it. Shit workssss! It’s hard tho. 😂 I play rugby and haven’t injured my knees/ ankles since 2015.

Eastern Europe bed stories. Welcome Derek.

Idk how many times I prayed during tren cough I would never do it again….

As an Eastern-European, I think ironically some of the satellite-states behind the Iron curtain were more terrible and brutal in terms of training and doping conditions than the USSR. In the USSR or East Germany, you at least had the means and trully professional emphasis on a full-on programme, you had quite clever, thoroughand almost pseudo-scientific organization from the pre-school years, the doctors and sports medicine behind it, it was an industry. In comparison, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria or Romania didnt have the money or the means to get the best gear or equipment, wouldnt sponsor a full-on doping programme, so they improvised and sort of compensated for it by pure madness and brute-force approach.

So crazy watching this. I trained with Alex v when I was a teenager and can attest to how insane the training was. He insisted on not taking drugs, I remember the topic was completely off topic

The way Derek describes the lower back pain sounds a lot like period pain

The Bulgarians were quite literally crash test dummies. Reminds me of 1980s Cyclists dying from EPO overdoses. They just thought more was better.

The athletes weren't smiling? How old fashioned. These days every decent coach knows you have to increase your uppers if you want to increase PRs.

He pulled a classic oil change on em, that’s some gnarly 💩 right there

The greatest trainer of all time Почивай в мир

What happened to all the weightlifting training vlogs with Dylan? Are you still training weightlifting?

I question how much of this drug overuse was actually for strength and power benefit directly and how much was for pain relief and aggression. If they actually got better from that dose then I would think people would still take that for weightlifting. But those doses sound like they were offsetting the injury risk of that training style with drugs rather than a more direct performance enhancement.

You should check Carlos Nasar, also bulgarian weightlifter. 18years old no roids setting records in 2 weight classes.

In few months from now Derek will make a video on Zack`s use of PEDs - mark my words

Sovjet weightlifters, Rigert , Alekseyev looked happy.

In the 90s I was racing sprint kayaking clean at worlds and Olympics. Got thrashed by all the east European teams incl. the East Germans who told me they had to hold their arms out to be injected daily, not knowing what it was, just to remain in the team. If they refused they were out..

Thanks to this man, we dominated this sport to such an extent that we became a threat to Russia. No one had seen results like this before. That is why the great Russian empire had to stop the small Bulgaria! As a Bulgarian, I am proud of what Abadjiev has achieved. He is the best coach of all time in this sport!

40 x 5mg Dbols........200mg a day. god damn, the back pumps must have been insane

I’m over here trying to do a Bulgarian style of powerlifting training and I see this. I sure am in tune today

2:33 sounds like it was a cult…. Or abuse.

This segment was amazing

Verona is in Italy.

I been taking 100mg tren ace past few weeks, every other day, I don't always get the cough feeling but sometimes, though I've never actually coughed I just feel it in my throat and taste it. Kinda like getting that feeling so I know the shit works. And yeah I can relate with Derek on the dbol lower back pump, literally can't stand lmao

"What's that?" LOL, you're supposed to know these things, Derek.

the title should be “two absolute houses barely fit into frame”

As bulgarian that uses light version of this system i can tell you it works. The first time i tried it my deadlift rose with 20kg/45lb in 2 and a half weeks Its very good for weighted pull ups too. Probably the best method for strenght building

You describing that tren experience gave me flashbacks of when I was shooting up dope.

The most insane thing is that Abadjiev is still regarded as one of the greatest bulgarian coaches.... People only care about results I guess

"shit, i'm gonna look like an idiot" lmao, I always enjoy some good self-awareness

Abajiev the GOAT !!!

One thing I've learned is you gotta watch Bulgarians if you know theyre around. They can be tricky.

Post tren clarity killer me 💀💀

According to wikipedia Valentin Hristov is still alive and almost 70.

It is not a drugs like dopping, steroids ot somethings anabols, it was hormone, but in this sport 99% take a drugs. This is a war! Ivan Abadzhiev is one of the greatest trainers of all time in sport history. He knows better than medicine doctors about human flesh and muscules and tis is 70-80th to 2000 year. Ivan Abadzhiev is spectacular, magnifficent! SSR soak it up because it's bothering them at this time and after them other country who gealous

crazy duo here good shit

Trying to get Derek to design a drug protocol on the air? You gotta pay the man for that!

theres a door, were gonna bust it open with our heads.. sounds more like a metaphor for politicians

I've watched that movie. All in captions. It's an important part of study.

Outstanding.

I am Bulgarian. The d-bol stuff is real. I knew bodybuilders in Ruse who were on a bottle a day. Two of the biggest Bulgarian bodybuilders in the late 90s and early 2000s ' were on 700mg per day - one died the other is ok as he was getting off everything when not competing. Us, the other bodybuilders who were sane thought this was crazy and not necessary but people did it. Having said that the people that did it were an extremely small minority.

This is an awesome co-op! All you need is Clarence…

Not the 70's. This is the 80's. I train with Varbanov (bronze in Sarajevo) in Toronto now.

Great content 👍

The cut back to his face when he explains tren cough 😂

Can't see the upside down triangle body with that black on black background.

Does this mean that all the records that are better since then are also incredibly lots of doping too surpass the Bulgarians?