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Makes you think about the Emperor of mankind, how the Eldar referred to him as an ancient weapon left out of its box.

The Eldar Gods were actually the punching bags that the Old Ones kept in their gym. Hence why Khaine gets punked so often.

So, an interesting line from the godblight novel actually stands as evidence for this theory. An Eldar seer sent by Yvraine to serve Guilliman provides him council on the topic of divinity. He explains that Eldar mythology believes that the gods existed before his people, but he is aware of the history of the war in heaven. He is also aware that many species have created gods out of shared belief, and explains that godhood is determined by might and faith rather than any kind of godly origins. He even claims that his people may believe their gods were there before them, but he acknowledges that they were most likely Eldar heroes who were eventually worshipped as gods. With the libra chaotica, I believe that the old ones told the Eldar to channel their power and faith into a particularly powerful hero in order to create the ultimate weapon, but after the war in heaven, history had become myth, and these heroes became true gods

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I think there's some additional context from the Fantasy Elves worth considering. One, from a Warhammer RPG sourcebook from about the same time, had an Empire scholar being confused about a response from a High Elf scholar about an apparent inconsistency. The former had found texts saying the Elves were created by their gods and by the Old Ones and consulted the latter. The latter's response was (paraphrased): "Yes, we were created by the Old Ones. Yes, we were created by the gods. No, they are not the same. No, there is not an inconsistency". The pointy-ears in both settings are characterised by being able to hold apparently contradictory statements as both being true, but I tend to interpret it as recognising different forms of creation. The initial creation was by the Old Ones, but the influence of the gods also defined what it is to be an eldar. In essence, from a physical perspective they were created by the Old Ones, while in a spiritual and cultural sense they were created by both, and the pointy-ears recognise both. Which could explain how the gods could be created by the Eldar and also create the Eldar: the Old Ones created a kind of proto-Eldar, the proto-Eldar created the gods, and without the interaction between the proto-Eldar and the gods the Eldar wouldn't be what they are today. Essentially, the gods defined what it was to BE Eldar. One could think of it as being like the difference between being a neolithic human settled near the mouth of what would later be called the Tiber River and being Roman. Another, which I think also came from the Liber Chaotica, is that there's a passage which talks about how the Fantasy Elves deliberately created their gods, and thus have somewhat more of a transactional relationship of semi-equals with them, as opposed to humans worshipping gods. However, the elven gods in fantasy are quite clearly 'normal' warp entities, rather than giant wraithbone constructs or the like. It's just that they understand how the Immaterium works, so they deliberately drew upon aspects of their psyche to create gods, and the bargain they have with them is that they'll provide power to their gods if their gods use that power to assist them in turn. This has somewhat been retconned (along with implications that most of the human gods are actually human interpretations of elven gods) in the End Times, but coming from the same source, it's probably indicative of what they might have been going for in the Liber Chaotica regarding the Eldar gods. So here's what my thinking is: The proto-Eldar, perhaps with guidance from the Old Ones, deliberately created warp eddies from different parts of their psychology, creating sentient concepts of war, rulership, motherhood, humour, hunting, and so on, in a similar manner to how the Chaos Gods and demons would be formed accidentally. These gods were able to manifest in the physical realm and fight the C'tan on relatively equal terms. However, the act of creating these gods served to codify which cultural concepts were important to the Eldar, shaping the development of the Eldar from then on. Therefore the moment the gods were creating demarks a distinct enough cultural shift that later Eldar would regard it at the point at which their ancestors became truly Eldar, thereby regarding it as a second process of creation for their race.

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i think the warp is known for changing and "warping" things based on the emotions of beings in the physical universe. i think if the old ones guided the eldari to create superweapons as a counterpoint to the c'tan, after millions of years of war and losing the old ones, the superweapons would be worshipped as these battle ending powers and the warp would reflect that, tying a god explicitly to the superweapon itself, the eldar souls being hugely impactful in the warp and their numbers being galaxy spanning would make this much more likely. i dont see any reason against the eldar gods having origins as superweapons or megastructures that then gained a reflection in the warp turning them truly into gods. side note: its possible vashtorr is somehow related to these ancient eldari constructs, but much more likely vashtorr the arkifane is a twisted reflection of the mechanicus' worship of machines.

Many years ago, Aeldari gods were construstcs, machine, such as the war titan Khaine, the galaxy-sized terraforming ship Isha, and the fucking funniest fart cushion you ever saw, Cegorach.

Dude, great video, one of your better ones. I enjoyed the relaxed, speculative, and informed approach. You're getting well seasoned Wes!

Not sure about the eldar making the gods bit. But overall i do like the idea of the rldar using power to create mega weapons like the phoenix heart. Thing is in the eldar codex it states that khaine taught the arts of war to the phoenix lords. He wouldn't be teaching the eldar things they already know because his knowledge would have had to come from them if they created him. So i think it is more likely khaine was an old one general teaching the new recruit how to fight

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In fairness the old ones created the Krooks to be the line infantry against the the necrons and the Eldar to be the Psychic ones to deal with the C'tan. So perfectly plausible they Eldar created super psychic beings to do that.

This is a very interesting theory to me, I don’t think it’s outside the realm of possibility at all. Crazier things have happened in Warhammer 40k and I really like the connection Warhammer fantasy and 40k even if they are separate it almost feels like the writers are rewarding those who read the other material with little thought provoking questions. Also side note, gonna steal the concept of ‘man made god’ here for a campaign I’m running so thank you for the idea. It’s not the first time I’ve heard the idea (fear and hunger does an excellent job at this) but I really enjoy your presentation on the matter! When the reveal comes to my players, I’ll link ‘em to this video!

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These immense beings must be powerful machine spirits then, swallowed up by she who thirsts and/or shattered into inexplicable shards across the galaxy then.

i would love to hear you talk about the Corpse Grinder Cults of Necromunda😮😮

As an Eldar/Aeldari player I haven't spent much time looking at their history and lore. Seeing as I also make vids on another channel I suppose I should but my channel is all about getting people into 40k, teach them the basics then pass them onto people like you, Baldemort, Majorkill, and Sandman etc. I'll get the noobs and get them hooked on the basics you do the rest.

I'm glad you pulled through, brother! Excellent video! Thank you and Emperor protect

Looking forward to your Aeldar mythology video😎

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"....Arthur C. Clarke

My personal theory is that Eldari's sloppy use of the Warp to create intelligent war constructs during the War In Heaven is what laid the seed for patterns that would rise to become the first demons.

The god machines hypothesis doesn't seem all that far fetched given that a craft worlds infinity circuit can contain souls. i also think I came across something, somewhere in 40k that refereed to the Eldar gods as weapons or creations of the old ones, also that bit about you can't just make a god by having 1000's of psychers do magic sounds a hell of a lot like the prehistoric shaman origin of the emperor which may or may not be mutually exclusive with the an old one made him origin.

This was a really good video to get the ball rolling again. Your theory is actually really good, with what I know about warp base shenanigans that could actually be what happened. This is not me trying to nitpick but thanks for renaming this video. I didn't understand the first one, but after watching the video it makes more sense. Have a good rest of your day.

From what I remember, chaos exist across franchise as they link to all realities. But that was years ago before age of sigmar where the pantheon is kind of different.

I have a question for you @WesHammer are there any other legions/primarchs you are interested in doing deep dive lore videos on. I recently watched the thousand sons one and it was amazing!

I like to think that the truth regarding the Eldar gods can be derived from this theory and the original lore. My interpretation is that the Eldar pantheon always existed, but (much like the Ruinous Powers) were in a dormant limbo state, with the ancient Eldar machines acting as “incubators”/a tangible link between the Eldar and their gods, with millennia of collective belief and veneration eventually causing them to awaken, sort of like the later birth/awakening of Slaanesh at the hands of the Eldar’s rampant debauchery. With all of that said, I have no idea what kind of super weapon that The Trickster could have originated from/been associated with, and that’s probably for the best.

I think it's more likely that the eldar were summoning avatars of the eldar gods rather than the gods themselves. And we know from the greater demon they look like the god they belong to. So my working theory is that eldar gods were the old ones and the old ones were Xeno that had crazy powerful souls that let them develop all kinds of soul tech like the webway. They had a presence in both real space and the warp so that's why slanesh was able to kill them during the fall by killing the gods souls and without souls the old ones bodies died

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Definitely a fun video - great job!!!!!

If we think literally arnt orks and Eldar artificial intelligence? They were made, crafted for war and even in the orks case there knowledge comes build in pre-installed if you will lol

I have absolute faith in games workshop to somehow shoehorn in space marines into a war in heaven novel.

Punchbag gods for a punchbag race, right? *_Right!?_* ;/ Please stop shitting on the Eldar, GW.

I'm not sure if I'm high enough yet for this concept.

Your compatriot Baldemort thinks that they are not only gods themselves but the personifications of the Eldar actions as a whole. In his Avatar of Khaine video he puts out the thought that the time that Khaine went to war with the rest of the Eldar Pantheon was when the Eldar were so war-focused they nearly killed off their own race. With the massive amount of psychoactivity that the Eldar have, it would make sense that ALL these stories could be true at the same time!

"You don't just get a bunch of psykers together, tell them to make a god, and then they do it..." "Stupid knife ear! We gonna show you! All right weird boyz, we'z gonna make a god, let's make him brutal but kunnin...no wait...kunnin but brutal!" And that's how the Orks made two gods.

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I would not take an issue with a novel set during the war in heaven, but it would have to be written as a myth or something like that.

So. I hope someone gives this some tractions. But beings that exist in the warp and physical...sounds a lot like a Primarch. And wouldn't be the first time someone has suggested the Primarchs are baby gods.

It seems the prophesy of the priest is a mix of the two "War in Heaven"-s we know know of from lore, along with the fall. For those who aren't aware, the Eldar refer to both the original war against the C'tan AND their later war against Khaine as the "War in Heaven", which is rather confusing, even in universe. The two events are separate though. But ya he seems to reference both the creation of the 100 swords by vaul for khaine, and the "one was stolen and hidden far away" might be Isha. The timeline is completely jumbled up over here though as all of that happened after khaine went mad. Anyways, the Eldar and the Necrons have always been parallel to each other in so many ways. So the the parallel of both of them being responsible for both the creation and destruction of their own gods is pretty viable imo. The necrons created the C'tans by building necrodermis bodies for them. The eldar creating wraithbone (a material often considered the eldar equivalent of wraithbone) bodies for their own pantheon would be interesting. Personally, I've always put stock in the theory that the Eldar pantheon were created from the cumulative psychic power of the entire race. I know you said such a thing should not be so easy, but remember that this was a time when the eldar were whole, with trillions upon trillions of their kind, who were ALL psykers with some degree of control. Their psychic presence created and sustained them, This would also make sense in the context of the fall as the veil created by asuryan that separated the gods from the eldar would've weakened them, and made them vulnerable to slaanesh when they appeared. The power level of the fully formed eldar gods though was phenomenal. Asuryan was said to wield the psychic might of the entire galaxy, and rearranged literal clusters of sun with a single spell that nearly killed the Nightbringer, arguably the strongest of the C'tans. Khaine did beat the nightbringer too, eventually in a duel. Prime eldar gods, as with most things in the war in heaven, were beyond anything we see in the 40k setting. They were of mythical propertions.

I can see the eldar being so smart the could make super god machines, and still be dumb enough to worship them

I always viewed the Eldar Gods as either individual Old Ones or Older One factions.

All the lore and as you quipped, the main focus is on Space Marines.

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As someone who has developed an interest in the 40K universe not as a player but as someone purely interested in the lore, I would love to see a series set during the War in Heaven period explicitly because there are no Space Marines. I know this will be a controversial opinion, but I personally find the Space Marines the least interesting aspect of this universe.

These living super weapons sound a lot like Primarchs to me 🤔

Friggin cool theory!

I still think that Khaine, Korne, and Slaanesh used to be the same entity

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What about the taus new God? I mean that hasn't been hundreds of years.

i mean if i was one of the people responsible for creating actual gods i would try to cover it up too or everyone would start trying it

Step one : Old gods instruct the Eldar how to make the "gods". My guess is that the old ones were not incredibly clear on what the Eldar were making, only how to make them, and that they would be powerful enough to stop the Ctan Step two : The Eldar actually make these things, and see the raw power these things have. At least power wise, the Eldar begin to compare them to gods. Step three : SOOOOOOOOO much death, including the old ones. So The Eldar responsible for making the gods die off in the war in heaven, as well as the old ones themselves. As new Eldary take to fighting along side these "god" like beings, lines begin to blur. After all, they make all their other equipment, but the gods are no longer being made, and after thousands of years of fighting... did they really create them? Or perhaps the Eldar were created by them? They're powerful enough after all? And some even seem to have the ability to give life. Theories and views begin to form during this time even amongst the Eldar. Step four : Hedonism on mass! So after the war, the eldar begin to degenerate as a people. They become increasingly more depraved... with only those "fringe" eldar taking to the craft worlds and such. Good note here is how Craft World Eldar seem to be more... attuned? Accepting? or however you wanna take it, of the gods and pantheon. Perhaps in their early days the craftworld were seen as weird, because people weren't entirely sure who came first anymore... gods or eldar, but either way worshipping them didn't help get your rocks off so who cared? However this separation would ultimately be what saved the craftworlds. With history becoming less and less important to the Eldar as opposed to just straight depravity, it's no wonder some of this may have become lost, twisted, or just outright misinterpreted. Then the birth of slanesh... and now things have truly changed. Any that might have remembered the truth, are gone in an instant, most records that may have held the secret, gone! This is finally where we see the Eldar solidify their beliefs about their own pantheon. The above is all just based on what little I know, and I do not know much! But I could see it playing out something like that. Also I kinda like the theory because what if cegorach IS the black library? Or like, in part is at least linked to it. Like when the stories talk about him fleeing into the webway... what if he literally was a sentient craftworld, the black library, and it escaped into the webway to escape Chaos. That's why the harlequins know it's location, it's why the place is important to them, and it's in part why it's so hard to find.

I reckon the Eldar gods are basically the equivalent of the perpetuals in Human culture. The only difference is that they've had a lot longer to be worshipped and ascend into gods.

I can't help but think the eldar gods are just like the Asgard from SG-1 show. Weird looking alien super scientists that use holographic tech to look like gods to primitive species. Iasha and krunous were the bio scientist that created the eldar as weapons Khaine was the general over seeing the project etc Well that's my take anyway

I think it could be valid that the Eldar have created gods....since Orks origin from the same source and have their own Gods and can bend reality with believing I assume it could be possible that the Eldars have some sort of same dynamic

I'm holding my breath for when they find a way to send Space Marines to the time of The War in Heaven, so we get some books on it 😅❤

How do you explain millions of dead Eldar turning themself into a giant clown though?

Aren't all Warp based gods technically fake gods by virtue of being created by mortals and wouldn't that mean the only true gods are the C'tan?

has wes hammer done a proper video and not a yt short about salamanders?

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You're already someone who is considered an expert on the subject. Have you thought of getting a PhD in the Warhammer universe?

Hey Wes; Both theories could be true at the same time. if the Eldar named the AI machines that later descended to become gods after their existing pantheon of gods. it then simply becomes a chicken or the egg question.

I see a Weshammer upload, I click. Simple. (Also, more eldar content, PLS. I’m starving over here.) 🧝🧝‍♀️🧝‍♂️🩷🦛

"Its just a theory... a Warhammer Theory!" That had me chuckling, you got me with that one Wes 😂

The lore has changed a lot over the years. A couple quick corrections, Soulstones aren't technically wraithbone. They are a crystal that has been exposed to the warp and eye of terror for so long that they are able to contain power and can be attuned to Eldar souls. These crystals might have been wraithbone before the fall but I don't think its set in stone one way or another. This is why they have to be collected by Eldar in daring raids of the eye of terror. As for the Eldar gods, originally they were created as part of the Eldar creation process by the Old Ones, the gods were kind of like the generals or titans of the Eldar forces, with Asuyran actually able to move entire stars to form runes of power to destroy armies of Necrons and Khaine able to go toe to toe with a C'tan and actually destroy one of his bodies. The Eldar gods performed several services, Isha seemed to be in charge of respawning Eldar by taking their souls and making new bodies, Asuryan as the strategist and general, Khaine as the heavy-hitting Hulk of the group, and Vaul as the tech and weapons development. The Eldar gods were unique among warp entities as they had been created by the old ones in a way that let them manifest in the materium wherever they wanted to and whenever they wanted to without ceremony, ritual, or external factors. This ability was disabled in them by Asuryan after Khaine got a prophecy from the newly emerged Tzeetch that the Eldar would be the death of the gods and he went on a slaughter to try to end the entire race. Now it seems like the Old Ones created the Eldar with the capability of making gods and directed them on how to do so in a way that would give them special capabilities. Its a bit sad because rather than the Eldar gods being super unique doomsday weapons created by the Old Ones they are just stronger versions of your standard warp entities.

Each faction in 40k has a unique relationship to their gods. I like to think that the Eldar curated / created their gods and had a mostly good relationship with them, until they were cut off from the warp due the drama with Khaine. Being cut off from their gods, the Eldar lost their way and created slaanesh, which fulfilled the prophecy of khaine being shattered by the eldar.

You need to inform the people of the Blood Ravens aka the KLEPTOMARINES or Trazyn's rivals for "collecting artifacts".

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I personally think the Eldar gods are a mixture of actual Old Ones, Living Weapons and warp entities. I mean when you read some of the stories of the war between the Eldar and the Necrons. Like the Black Stone fortresses being known as the Talisman of Vaul which he used to defeat the Dragon. Or that Khaine needed 100 special swords to entrap the Nightbringer. Or one of their gods is a wanderer of the Webway. None of those things sound specifically like something that gods would need because well they are GODS. So maybe Some of the Eldar gods might have been actual old ones whose identity was later converted through retelling upon retilling to a god. Other might have been sentient weapons made by the Old Ones and others still might be actual warp entities like the chaos gods.

"You don't just get a bunch of psykers together and make a god" *side eyes the emperor*

Cegorach is NOT amused by these obvious lies. A Solitaire is being sent to "kiss" you.

This actually sounds an awful lot like what Big E did with the current warp: grabbed some lesser great warp souls, and stuffed them into his Primarchs. It is possible that they manifested beings within the warp, and then stuffed them into wraith bone, whereby still being part of the warp, AND part of the immeterium.

I like to think they’re sentient warp weapons that run on the energy of the Aeldari race’s overcharged emotions. The worship of the gods not only powered through weapons, but also staved off the debauchery that led to The Fall.

My understanding was that the Old Ones engineered the Aeldari with heightened emotions and high population growth in order to facilitate the rapid coalescing of warp entities. They then directed the Aeldari in how to focus that emotional energy in such a way as to speed up the process further through mass ritual on a pan galactic scale. These warp entities, made to spec by the Aeldari using the Old Ones' directions, were used as the primary weapons against the C'tan during the War in Heaven, with Kaine being a front lines fighter going up against them directly, Isha enhancing the Aeldrai's healing and reproductive process to further increase their population to speed up the manufacture of more gods, etc. Since the Warp is timeless, once a god came into being, it had always been there, so the mythological belief that their gods predated them isn't a huge problem. Slaneesh would be what happens when that emotional energy isn't properly channeled, while Yneed is a result of using that old knowledge in a deliberate fashion after Slaneesh came into existence, and burning souls to make up for the massively lowered population the Aeldari now have after Slaneesh's birth destroyed the Aeldari Empire. Possibly using a method the Old Ones provided for birthing the very earliest of the Aeldari gods, since they would have had the same sort of population issues and massive opposition in the beginning of their race, when the Old Ones were already fighting the War in Heaven, and thus had a limited ability to protect their newly cultivated weapon races. I would further posit that the prison worlds that the Old Ones have full of daemons of all four Chaos Gods predated the Chaos Gods themselves, with the Old Ones essentially imprisoning daemons that represented concepts they didn't want to see coaless into proper gods in the Warp. Once the Old Ones died out, they were no longer able to perform that cultivation, so the Chaos Gods were able to coaless out of the appropriate daemons that had been spawned in the meantime.

Wellllll... The Eldar "did" Blowbang a god into existence after all. So I feel like this is not too outlandish of a theory. Actualy I thought this was already an accepted fact in the lore. That the Eldar had created their own Gods as WMDS for the war in heaven.

I never heard this theory before but I find it very believable. If the small volume of eldar have a chance of creating Ynned, it’s hard to not believe that the galaxy, potentially universe spanning one’s back in the ear in heaven wouldn’t have been able to create their own gods. I’ll add my own spin on it through and say they weren’t all war engines in the strictest sense and maybe some were to heal the sick and injured, some produce arms, etc. All in line with the domain of each of the gods

...I can hear PancreasNoWork yelling *'BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!'* from here...

13:59 I literally just called you the warhammer 40K matpat and bam I guess I manifested it out of the warp

Of course the Eldar built their own gods. What greater arrogance than using gods as tools? See also: Gork & Mork for the Krork equivalent. Perfectly built for supporting the green tide.

I'd say you're a bit of a tube for not knowing that much of this is exact Lore, your blatant errors such as the Wraithbone/Soulstone one aside. The Aeldari Pantheon was "created" via fairly normal processes that took thousands of years (normal hero to legendary figure to mythological stature to amalgamated Warp-emotion on a racial scale), so in that sense a "normal" deity creation for 40k. At the same time this is what the Old Ones wanted in order to create stable Warp-entities to kick the cr*p out of the Necrontyr and their Star God allies. There is no theory, mystery or secret here, multiple codices and writing detail this (admitedly in fragments, evolving over editions and in GW's puerile and unskilled style), and the "down with the kids" pseudo-emphatic presentation is just irritating. This mindset/approach is how Eldrad (and possibly Cegorach) went about kick-starting Ynnead early, an understanding of story, myth and crafting a racial psyche focus. You would have to be a bit simple to think otherwise.

Right or wrong, thats one cool af theory. Gives me ideas for my own setting. Very nice, love these deep cuts.

I don't know much about the Eldar or their mythology but I do know some aspects of it. When I was watching this the one aspect of their myths that came to mind was Dromlach (The Cosmic Serpent). He is not a god in the Eldar pantheon but he does play a role in their mythology and his young have connection to the Eldar god Cegorach (laughing god). In fact the Craftworld Saim-Hann have him as their symbol. However that's not the part I find most interesting about this being. It's that he is connected to various mythologies, legends and creation myths around the galaxy. Most notably is the original religion of Baal had before the emperor featured Dromlach.

"Games Workshop doesn't seem to be interested in ever giving us enough sent during the war in heaven and I totally understand their reasoning there aren't any Space Marines back during the war in heaven so what would even the point be." Besides that point which I like. I mean how the hell was even GW able to describe battle that was impossible. I mean Eldar at their Fall with a small group of Asuryan priests capable of creating a sword that literally created using the literal concept of the death force of the entire universe. That was bonkers.

Amd now i want a Weshammer/MatPat collab. I think it would be amazing..... But that's just a theory.

I once tried to answer the question what the Xenos would think of the God Emperor. I envisioned an Eldar talking down to a pesky -monkey- human and telling how they created gods and the God Emperor was likely just one of those that got lost and forgotten over time. Just to jank that pesky creature's chain. Who would have thought there might be some actual truth in it? (In the same answer I envisioned the Orcs making up a tale how their gods battled each other and a bit of blood was spilled. A Squigoth licked it and exploded. The mess it created rained down on the universe, to give great orc warriors their strength. Some of it landed on their enemies, so they could have a good fight). Yeah right, never trust xenos?

As a necron tabletop player, I would love books set in the war in heaven era. Civilizations with lifespans less than a million years aren't worth remembering yet

Could you imagine fielding a Krork Army on the table? War in Heaven armies would cost a mint😮

You and Arbiter Ian are the two sanest guys in the whole WH40k RU-vid business. And knowing you this says a lot about the other guys.

I wish they'd give us some more official lore of the war in heaven, if not from the Eldar side of things at least from the Necron side. Since the Necrons are truly immortal they're still living from back then and even if we got just brief accounts of what they remember from before their Eons long slumber and then the rest being present day 40k would be so cool and start the building on that lore and could help people get more interested in the War in Heaven

How crazy would it be if game theory started getting into war😅 hammer

this all makes me wonder that with a enough times, would the cores form the Votan become Sorta gods them self

My theory and what I always assumed is that ultimately, the eldar were weapons to create and channel gods of the warp. Something that always bothered me is when you compare the eldar to the necons and especially the kroks, they seem weak. I think we're now seeing a fraction of the true might of what the eldar could do. During the war in heaven, the warp wasn't as sealed off from real space as it is now. If I remember correctly, the eldar gods separated the two when Khaine went on a killing spree post-war. So when the warp was closer to real space, the eldar were far stronger, like we are starting to see in the current setting with the creation of the great rift. In the current setting, we also know that the eldar created Slaanesh and are currently creating Ynnead. We've also seen Yvraine channel the power of Ynnead to perform miracles as well. So, imagine the old ones who were masters of the warp as well as genetics, created a species to fight in this war that would devastate reality. They created the eldar to harness the warp and channel it in incredible ways. They created this species that uses the warp to create beings that can rival the star gods, and in turn could give them strength to fight. I don't think that the eldar gods were wraith bone constructs because they don't need to be. I think they were true gods of the warp that were created as weapons.

I don't remmeber where I heard it, but a theory about the Eldars' Gods I quite like is that they were the first Eldar that the Old Ones created and from conglomeration of a portion of each the actual race was created. Somewhat similar to the Primarchs and the Legions. In fact, part of the theory is that Big E took inspiration from the Eldar for his sons...

Alrighttt! Feels like its been awhile since weve talkes about some good ol eldar lore

Finally some Eldar lore ... i cant stand recycle space marine lore after 3-4 years of youtube lore listening

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