The Insane Engineering of the P-47 Thunderbolt 

"yes dad thanks" was a direct translation to BRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTT

@@michaelmojares7245 haha, A-10 go brrrrrrrrrt

wholesome

@@michaelmojares7245 - ROFL 🤣

thing is a10 is known for its brrrrrt but the p47 had 8 mgs, as a War Thunder player, that equals brrrrrrrrt.

You're grandfather is an absolute hero

This is a very amazing comment and you are a grandson of a former P47 pilot. Would it be possible for you to upload the recordings? That would be of great historical value. thank you very much. And we will always remember and appreciate your late grandfather's service.

Eurasia _0240 I believe you! But I know he would never accept that. That’s the amazing thing about that generation, they just did their jobs, with the hope of returning to their families.

1a You’re right, I need to find the recordings and convert them to mp3 so they can be permanently preserved. They’re on micro-cassette and stored at my parents home, which unfortunately is far from me. Some of the stories are really amazing. I wish I could upload pictures to this thread.

I love this comment

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If I remember correctly it was due to it being a chimera of two single wasp engines, but I’m not entirely sure and could be wrong

ummmmm donut media reference?

@@8ballentertainment.885 Yes.... The Double Wasp is essentially two radial engines stacked together, because their shape makes this a lot easier than adding more engine to a more typical engine like you would find in a car. There are some old airliner engines that have several of these layers stacked together, and I would like to think that they're beautiful, but I would hate to have to do any deep work on one. They really show the "why" behind the reliability and efficiency of a turbine engine.

Whats meaner than a Pratt and Whitney Dual Wasp? A Wright Duplex Cyclone!

🤣 true that

Obese plen

Absolutely wrong, P47s were just as fast at low altitudes as they were at high. 2000hp is not fucking around in the least and It had upwards of twice the engine power of any competitive fighter and they were not particularly sluggish - certainly not the later models. The P47 was an absolute monster.

@@Criomorph but the only "dogfight" you would do in low alt is forcing your opponent in head Ons or BnZming lower opponents (or BnX/Boom and extend for more dangerous planes). But high altitudes however...big plane, big surfaces (more air to touch), big engine, big snail at the back. so while their suffocating and struggling to turn on high alt, you're moving as if it's low alt and dunk on them

@@Marc-zi4vg You kidding? P-47 pilots brawled at all altitudes. They fought Zeros on the deck and just shrugged off whatever was thrown at them as they reduced them to burning wreckage with 8 .50s.

Pretty sure fw190 could roll

A flying tank or pillbox. Pratt and Whitney R-2800 twin Wasp radials rip, and is near bullit proof. Battle damage resistant. Eight 50's and underwing rockets, and or drop tanks. Yes, Mustangs and Spit's were the fighter darlings, but the P47-D-especially the 'bubble canopy' variant was the back alley tough guy that usually got you home. Robert at 66.

I've heard that quote many times. Similar to the B-17 vs B-24. The '17 was archaic, but it got you home.

And Francis Gabreski another high kill ratio!

@@ercanyesiltas but it could outlive anything lol, Get in trouble just Point down🙂

Vodka Which makes sense because it's designer escaped the ussr

Turbo-Supercharger with water-methanol injection will indeed get you going pretty quick.

Alcohol and water, actually i thick it was MW50 Methanol/Water 50% 50%

@@ADRIAAN1007 I think you're right. Fan of Greg's Airplanes? ru-vid.com/group/PLD2EcpzcvT-tvemNaIYUfZfV3s8K8Gbgh

Ahh, alcohol, the cause and solution to all of lifes troubles....Homer Simpson

A feature of the P-40 as well - something a number of military assistance units in the China-Burma Theatre made good use of.

And it looks like even if you had cranes and forklifts you still get 50 guys to lift the wings on as weight on like 2 points of the wing would probably bend/damage them. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Noqms4AhTJA.html

Could be assembled out of the factory crates in the field. Not reassembled

Oh, thought you meant that they used the shipping container as parts to re-assemble the plane, ending up with a little more drag, and less armour, but still a pretty fast and well armed shipping container with wings.

@@ubroberts5541 maybe you going on a stealth mission, but you still want air support? 🤔 Break it down, everybody carries a few bits, and once you're inside enemy territory, it's: crank-crank 🛠️ we got a flying tank 👍

For a second I thought you were saying “I remembered when I was a luftwaffe pilot.” And I clicked off and then when I saw a glimpse of it I was like “hol’ up”

Exactly how it goes in games like War thunder too

@@o_sch In war thunder you have WW2 planes like A6M2s easily pulling 10gs and for extended periods of time, giving them very unrealistic performances. That makes the p47 not very good because most things outclimb you and outturn you significantly

Which Luftwaffe pilot was that ? I’d like to hear that interview with my own ears. No offence but I don’t know you and many people lie on the internet. No disrespect meant toward you by the way. 👍🏻🙏🏻

Pressing X to doubt on this one.

That’s was all Dylan.

That’s was all Dylan.

That's was all Dylan.

That’s was all Dylan

That was all Dylan.

Wot? Wdym? Meaning?

@@mayankraj2294 Because the plane so big that the ground crewman jokingly ask the pilot as if he's mistaking the plane with a bomber or a transport plane.

Haha! Nice one.

@@mikestanmore2614 Thank you very much, Mike.

It's one engine provided more power than some twin engine aircraft of tge same period.

Let’s put it in context. According to USAAF figures, which I have been consultating lot recently, the P-51 shot down 60% more fighters in the ETO than the P-47 in half the number of missions. It also accounted for 30% more ground kills. It suffered only a slightly higher loss rate (1.18 v 0.73, all causes) but it spent a much higher percentage of its time in hostile airspace than the P-47 did because of its range. In short, the P-51 was at least twice as effective as the P-47 and not the ‘liquid-cooled death trap’ the P-47 fanbois claim it was. It also produced more aces than the P-47. The P-51 made daylight strategic bombing - bombing wherever and whenever they liked - a possibility. It was the aircraft that the Luftwaffe pilots measured their own fighters by and it was one of two types regularly mentioned in RLM reports. In other words, it gave the Germans the screaming meemies. Whatever the P-47’s contribution was - and there’s no doubt it was significant - it was the P-51 that did damage out of all proportion to missions flown.

Now thats what i call a flying tank

@@Josephi_KrakowskiThat’s what I call a tall story. The P-47 carried 60-65 lbs of armour, which was the same as the Spitfire. The idea that the underside was made of steel thick enough that bullets would bounce off it is absurd.

@@thethirdman225 ☝️🤓

Yea I was questioning what he said as well. Its definitely turbocharged with water meth injection

I was wondering this too. Wikipedia calls it a superturbocharger, or a twin charger. Basically combining the both. He must've skipped over the supercharged bit.

In WW2 the U.S. air planes were assisted by a "Turbosupercharger"......I understand the automotive definition of super vs turbo, but I guess combining the two was common in warplanes back in the day. High altitude would effect the output to the engine, so the turbo part would improve the compression effect while not effecting the engine rpm..... the supercharger was the primary power boost, while the turbo part aided at high altitudes. reference: rwebs.net/avhistory/opsman/geturbo/geturbo.htm "At the present time, turbosuperchargers are used in series with geared superchargers" 1947 pamphlet by GE So there were two different types being utilized. Exhaust driven and engine driven

@@194853DodgeTrucks Ah ok good info man 👍

Turbos were known as superchargers specifically turbosuperchargers. The P38 had this designation as well.

As I say; "The P-51 is the girl you whistle at. The P-47 girl you take hoe to meet your mother." :)

The P51 whistles with you :D

From Francis Gabreski, top scoring UAAAF pilot int the ETO.

P-40: *"yes"*

@@stanhathcoat920 ,cool, is that his plane at 12:08? 27 kills.

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the a10 isn't the thunderbolt 2 for no reason :)

Fun fact: The same guy that designed the P-47 helped in designing the A-10, so the thunderbolt II nickname is well deserved

Considering the breadth of the roles a Jug could take on, from air superiority to ground attack, and its role as a workhorse fighter built in great numbers, I feel like a more fair comparison is to place it with the Viper and even the Lightning now. Anything you want, you got it!

Unsung heroes of the war, the ladies who built the weapons to win it everyday

Rosie the riveter?

I love hearing these stories of the Heros behind the scenes. Thanks for sharing.

My grandmother worked at anchor and sunbeam in Evansville during the war

ya..but was she a riveter, or office secretary?

P51: That pretty boy who gets all the ladies P47: That fat drunkard who always beats up robbers

@@erojerisiz1571 F-82E the sexy twin boys

@@mythical6957 ah yes, those cute twins

The B17 - The grumpy old uncle who actually does all the work

The P40: The fast baby

Yup: P47, faster, more maneuverable at high altitude, and while a pig down low due to no spinner added to production, it was given this roll of ground pounding because the inline engines could not do it, and because the bomber mafia were covering their butts from their 1943 fiasco's of daylight raiding without fighter escort when everyone told them IT WOULD NOT WORK. Why this matters? P47's were designed at its inception with high altitude streamlined drop tank which would give it range past Berlin, but Bomber Mafia declared that NO USAAF $$$ would go to drop tanks as they were not needed...... So, everyone had flight manuals of P47's with drop tank ranges easily able to cover the bombers going into Germany, but the USAAF were too STUPID, ARROGANT to order them. Instead later in the war, Shitty British paper tanks were used instead with TONS Of drag and you could not FLY HIGH as they would collapse and therefore had to fly SLOW, and LOW requiring the fighters who were supposed to be escorting the bombers now requiring escorts of their own. Ah, gotta love CYA BS.

@@w8stral what planes are you talking about that are british paper tanks? the mosquito?

@@Luke-tm5oy Here was referring to the British made drop tanks made of paper that were used to carry extra fuel to increase the aircrafts range.

@@Luke-tm5oy DO you know what a DROP tank is? Brits made a quick and dirty drop tank out of paper. You could not fly over 15000ft in them otherwise they would collapse due to differential pressure. Later they changed to aluminum drop tanks. Republic/Lockheed had vastly superior drop tanks tested and ready for production years before. In fact, the Brits were using some of them for their sea patrol airplanes hunting submarines.

@@aquablue6301 thank you for the information and timely reply

damn cool

Do you still have his flight jacket ?

Very Cool!!

WOW! that is great note of history--t hanks for sharing

Batdorf?! A German renegade *. . . ;-)*

You didnt miss a beat, absolutely on the money, was a pleasure to read your comment.

@@steriskyline4470 the water/alcohol mixture evaporated into steam cooling and increasing pressure.

Actually, it has a gear driven supercharger as well, I've heard vets that flew the P-47 call them "Turbo-Super chargers"

Water injecion incrased power for take off and emergeny power. water and alcohol, i thnk it helped cool the intake air and reduce detonaton. the R2800 was turbocharged and supercharged. an exuast system that was almost asl long as the fuselage,

@@kaigongfu The water injection did indeed cool the intake charge entering the cylinder, and allows for increased boost and/or ignition timing without fear of dangerous pinging (knocking). The water injection allowed the engine to use higher boost pressure, but did not 'increase the pressure' as stated in the video. And yes, they had both an engine driven supercharger and an exhaust driven turbo charger.

My father in law was a P-47 pilot also. Did 96 missions in WW2. He to loved his plane.

My dad had a squadron mate that got shot up, still flew back, and almost made it to the base, but crashed into the second story of a brick building. Brushed the bricks off his lap, got out and sat on a couch waiting for the corpsmen. Those planes were flying tanks.

Yea my father in law came back shot up a few times thinking he would not make it back. He was promoted to Captain after 1 flight. Was awarded DFC but never got it My wife contacted 4 Presidents & Pentagon over 5 years & they finally awarded it to him a few years after he passed. So his wife & 6 kids had a ceremony at Joint base MDL in NJ on 1/2004

God Bless them All! My dad was a WW II vet who served on an airbase in the Aleutian Islands, Alaska. The earlier "Razorback" P-47 versions has armor plating directly behind/surrounding the pilot's seat, which they could slide the seat back into when being fired upon for extra protection. Personally, THIS is why I've always loved the P-47; THE GUNS! The early "Blue-Tipped" M-1 Incendiary rounds really let you see the sheer devastation that 8-M2 .50cals could deliver as those rounds would "flash/explode" on impact! I shoot .50BMG bolt action rifles and the newer M8-API rounds explode with enough authority that they can easily be heard exploding on the surface of a hard target when you are 400 yards away AND WEARING EAR PROTECTION! This first clip is one of my favorite ones; lots of M1 projos being used here. Look at the BALLS these pilots had in some of these low strafing runs! Jumping scrub trees and telephone poles to keep rounds on target! At 1:00 in this one, watch the Jug pilot flying so low, that he's landing gun-bursts INSIDE an airplane hangar through the open hangar door! These pilots were gentlemen too! The Nazi's would often have women driving horse drawn wagons full of ammunition/munitions, thinking that the gentlemen Allied pilots would not strafe and kill a women. So, what did a lot of the pilots do? They would aim for the horses instead of the wagon with the women in them. When the women jumped off, THEN they would blow the wagons! This exact scenario can be seen in this video at 1:23: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-99Hp4VJG7h0.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--kIHr7suxfY.html THE Greatest Generation INDEED!

@@namvet68 I thank him for his service and to his family for their sacrifice. Semper Fi.

The European leading ace flew a P-47. Read Thunderbolt by Martin Caidin.

@@chrisbaker2903 Francis Gabreski I presume?

@Alvin Dudd Not even close Alan....Kill Ratios and their Aerial kills: - P47; 4.6:1 over 3,500, P51; 11:1 about 5,000, Corsair 11:1 about 2,200, and top of the tree (The Zero Killer) F6F Hellcat 19:1 with over 5,100.

@@razorback20 I THOUGHT I'd seen old Gabby in the footage!

To be fair, in hands of good pilot even fucking IL-2 could dogfight. Still baffles me that that one is also lighter then P-47 though.

The British are the ones that nicknamed it the Jug short for Juggernaut because of its resilience and firepower. It’s resemblance to a milk jug did help the nickname stick. They do have references for where the name came from.

That sounds a lot more plausible, frankly. I just don't see Americans basing a nickname on the rather uncommon "juggernaut."

@@skat1140 Right.

@@wild_lee_coyote *_"The British are the ones that nicknamed it the Jug short for Juggernaut because of its resilience and firepower. "_* Nothing to do with resilience and firepower. A 'juggernaut' in British parlance is a truck.

One of the top aces of the war. Crashed his P 47 while attacking a German air field at full power when his propeller hit the ground. He walked away! Gabby Gabaski.

No it's shaped like a 7 ton milk jug. In England a semi truck is called a juggernaut and their milk is in a bottle

@@markgranger9150 umm im not sure if it the P-47 saw service in the RAF, but according to wikipedia and war thunder's loading screen tip, it was called jug beacuse it looks like a jug

@@bClaudino the P47 wasn't flown by the RAF, but they were based in Britain with the American Army Air Core 353rd Fighter Group of the 8th Air Force. 👌👌

@@scarecrow1323 but it was flown by american or british pilots? im honestly confused rn

@@bClaudino I'd heard the same from my grandfather who was ATC and around aircraft his whole life. It was nicknamed the 'Jug' because it was mildly milk jug shaped from the side.

P-51: i can literally fit in a P-47

You realize that the lowly F4F Wildcat basically ate zeros for lunch? From wiki: "However, the F4F's ruggedness, coupled with tactics such as the Thach Weave and High-side guns pass maneuvers using altitude advantage,[3] resulted in a claimed air combat kill-to-loss ratio of 5.9:1 in 1942 and 6.9:1 for the entire war.[4]"

@@phylaxinator7040 Spitfire pilots tried the P-47, and said the plane was so roomy and heavy that the best way to avoid German fighters was to undo the shoulder straps and run about the cockpit.

@@ryangrimm9305 LOLz that's hilarious, thanks for the chuckle. What I'd read was that the Germans tested the cockpit and found it very roomy, the German cockpits being cramped on purpose. Never had I heard about the running around bit. That's hilarious.

@@vineetkaddu1214 There was a pilot/cartoonist, Bob Stevens, who was a WW2/Korea/Vietnam era pilot, and he did a book called "THERE I WAS, FLAT ON MY BACK.."...among others, highly amusing. He did one cartoon about two pilots in a pub, one a P-51 and the other a P-47....the P-47 pilot saying "Yeah, you can outDIVE me, but I can OUTFALL you..." talking about the planes ability to descend so quickly it felt like the floor fell out of a building.

The FW pilot shot .30 cal ammunition into the plane, which was notoriously underpowered. He also shot into it at the worst angle possible (straight into the rear of the plane). If it was hit accurately with a single burst of German 20mm rounds, it would burst into flames, just like all the bombers that were shot down.

I believe that the pilot was ROBERT S. JOHNSON .

I was so confused him explaining how a turbo works with a diagram of a turbo but he’s saying supercharger

Actually the P47 had both an exhaust driven turbo(super)charger AND a gear driven supercharger. The turbo fed the supercharger so in effect it was a two stage system.

​​​​@@jimrankin2583This is correct. Also relevant, the term of the time was not "turbocharger", but "turbosupercharger". Reference discussion of and/or manuals for the P-38's turbo setup to see the same on a different, inline-V engine. Linguistically, the idea was 'turbine-driven supercharger', shortened and combined to 'turbosupercharger'. This use of 'turbo' to denote a turbine drive carried over into the early jet age, giving us terms like 'turbojet', 'turboprop', 'turbofan', 'turboshaft', etc. Only in later automotive and rail applications is there developed a strict linguistic distinction between 'super' and 'turbo' as mentioned in preceding comments.

A turbocharger _IS_ a supercharger. It's sometimes referred to as a turbo supercharger.

milk is good

Thank you! Bud Johnson salutes you!

In England a semi truck is juggernaut The P47 was named after a milk jug not a truck Finally somebody has the Turn for the P47s nick name.

Specifically, the shape of the engine cowl when viewed from the front. This is how misinformation spreads, it's not even an obscure tidbit, you can't go anywhere with out the 'Flying Milk Jug" being tossed at you when reading contemporary or near period sources.

The thing about jug vs juggernaut is similar to the A10 Thunderbolt II: it's unofficial name is the Warthog because of its ungainly shape. But there's no way to get back to a more cool nickname origin, because warts and hogs can't be back-derived to something more complimentary. So sad!

It was incidents like the one you describe that probably inspired the running joke among P-51 pilots that the P-47 gained its excellent kill ratio by getting in FRONT of enemy fighters and waiting for them to run out of ammo before turning around and finishing them off.

The pilots name was Johnson and wrote a book called "God is my co-pilot" It was a pretty good read when I was 12

I wonder if that was the inspiration for this video (pretty cool group btw) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Jv1ZN8c4_Gs.html

@@gregpelzer6809 You're mixing up some famous WWII pilots. "God is my co-pilot" was written by Robert L. Scott.

@@achieveradio1971 "Rope a Fock-wolfe"?

Wrong

Where are you getting this information.

@@92suzukigsx1100g look up the XP-47J…more powerful engine, more streamlined cowling and yes it was a late war experimental version, but it did go that fast.

@@nathanryweck3137 ??? You said later models with increased power could reach 500mph in level flight and they seen combat. They only made 1 of the J series. And it never seen combat and the 500mph was never documented. They were able to document 480 or 490 something mph.

@@92suzukigsx1100g you are right. Except that 500 mph was never documented part. In August of 1944 both the test pilot alstated and official Republic records show an air speed of 505 mph in level flight at 34,500 feet. This was the first piston to break 500 mph in level flight. It only did this once, however. The army tested it later and only got something like 484 mph, though I don't think they were able to run it at full power because the engine started making metal.

They were both designed by Alexander Pirveli. First Warthog was designed by him in the middle of Cold War in 70-es.

Most of the haters don't know anything about the airplane.

@@joshuameader8898 yes

anyone who things negatively about this aircraft simply hasnt done any research into it, the thing was absolutely incredible and without them, the Americans would have had far worse bomber losses.

In the first stages of WWII fighters were seen as elegant, aerobatic dogfighters. In the later stages things moved towards bigger, heavier, more powerful, faster designs; FW190, Corsair, Tempest. Tactics had to change and horses for courses. The P47 was maybe a little ahead of its time. It did have something of a negative image, but I could never see why. I've always thought it's a beautiful plane.

I can guarantee you the 35% are people who have played warthunder and have the oh so fun experience of being skullfucked by Bf 109's

Nobody said it wasn't good. It was. It wasn't the best though. The best plane isn't really the right question. It was good for boom and zoom fighting, and for ground pounding. The p51 was an arguably better dogfighter and escort. And that not even taking into account other nations fighter aircraft.

@@Demonslayer20111 its a joke . . . . .

@@FrogOnAHorse i was in a P 47 when i saw five different P-47s get shredded in a match once. . . . A Bf 109 and a Fw 190 made short work of them. I killed them both before getting jumped by the P-47s of the Germans.

@@Demonslayer20111 Liking cos I didn't even vote on that ballot but I probably would have been the one to click "No" because I didn't read the fine print as being "one" of the best I definitely think it's ONE of the best planes but I will never say it's the best and my best wouldn't even necessarily be due to stats, just cos I like it lol

Indeed. There is a instructional video in RU-vid showing how to do it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Noqms4AhTJA.html

Oh damn that is incredibly usefull in a war that’s cool

@@joaquinandreu8530 thanks!

When you need a hammer, all tools are a hammer... When you need a screwdriver, all tools are a hammer...

Smurfatron yes it’s a good point. War was won because the machines were in use. Stuck on the drawing board or in shipping crates doesn’t help.

Lol

how else are you gonna know what a horse looks like?

@@explodingevo good point, because the government could be lying to us whenever we google horse

Then we consider the irony- power is not linked to horses; James Watt did that. Power is simply work/time, whether in watts, mouse-power, mule-power, whatever you units you wish.

The glory not the story please.

True

It was better than "solid " try "great plane "

More than that, but still simple. Take the biggest powerplant you have and build the fastest combat airplane around it. The high power to weight ratio allowed for the strength to be built in efficiently as a result of the scale.

And could put the hurt on whoever was in the gunsights. Those 8 50-cals were all business

SU 47

Agent 47

my god you have figured it out

There is no such thing as "AK-47"! First model called just "AK", FFS.

HK-47. Those who know know.

I'm going for deliberate mistake to generate comments for the algorithm.

Spotted the mistake too

The reason it is called a super charger is that when the P47 was built, engineers called it a turbine super charger. The term "turbo" is a newer term.

In modern English, yes that is the case. However, back in WWII, both types were called SuperChargers, and ones driven by turbines were called Turbosuperchargers back then!

@@SgtStinger so at least when explainig it, he should have sait that it works like a turbocharger

Just like the B-17 and Wellington, they can take a licking and keep on ticking.

Just like the IL-2, it was like a flying tank

@@Fred_the_1996 yup

@@PiotrBarcz Wellington? the welly was a coffin for every crew

@@Daxored It was considered to have the strongest airframe of any bomber in the war! it's warthunder that messed up their flight model!

@Yt-drew space vibes

I thought everyone knew American horsepower is supplied by rolling pastures of equestrian majesty, horses galloping across bubbling streams through a spray of fresh mountain spring water.

Tbh i think that if they could fly, two thousand horses could defeat a P-47

this post made my day

*_"Had the highest kill ratio in world War II fire power, maybe not unmatched but it's armament and protection of the pilot as well as its visibility for such a larger aircraft gave it a distinctive edge."_* The P-51 shot down 60% more German aircraft in half the number of missions. Ergo, its kill ratio was much higher than the P-47.

A lot of F4Us were lost because they were very difficult to land. They were very good fighter aircraft and flew really well. Just ridiculously hard to land on a carrier because of how far back the pilot sat.

*_"The jug was a great all around plane, a class by itself."_* Errr... not really. The best measure of the aircraft's worth was what its opponents thought of it. There are two aircraft the Germans mention in their reports: the de Havilland Mosquito and the P-51 Mustang. The P-47 and the P-38 (iconic aircraft which have now acquired a cult status) don't rate a mention. Neither does the Spitfire. The German's knew their goose was cooked when the Mustang started to appear. In the words of fighter pilot Werner Schroer, they had nothing of that quality to match it. Adolf Galland talks of the P-51 in terms of it simply making interception impossible because of its quality and its numbers. And it's widely known that the Germans hated the Mosquito because it was an aircraft they could do very little about. It was almost impossible to stop. Finally, when the German pilots started to receive their Fw-190Ds, they talked in terms of it being able to match the Mustang, so it was the P-51 that was uppermost in their minds, rather than the P-47. As for the Mosquito, imitation is the greatest form of flattery and this was the one aircraft they actually tried to copy.

The F4U doesn’t even have the highest kill loss ratio, the hellcat does, with 19:1 compared to the 11:1 of the F4U. The Corsair ran out of planes to kill hence why it’s lower

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Same company that built the WARTHOG !

Also built in Evansville, indiana. A city that also built LSTs, and copious amounts of ammunition.

I live less than 30 miles away from there! I'll be sure to check it out

Did it later become Grumman(F-14), or were they separate facilities? I grew up in Huntington and there were plenty of Grumman workers but that was in the '70s.

Yes

Back then they used the name interchangeably. I've even heard older gentlemen call them turbo-superchargers.

That’s what I was thinking, glad someone else noticed that

Yes it’s generally called a turbocharger these days, and the engine also has a gear driven supercharger and an inter cooler to cool the compressed air coming out of the turbo charger. The short range story is a bit of myth, they could and did carry drop tanks to give them the range needed.

Jordan Fancy, a mechanical engineer once told that it would properly be called a turbosupercharger,because the device does the same thing as a mechanically driven supercharger. Also I have worked on ground vehicles that had both a turbo ,and a supercharger.engine was a Detriot Diesel 8v71,which means of course that it had a Roots scroll type supercharger,but this unit was also fitted with a turbo,needed because of the design of the air intake system.

It had too many guns. According to Richard Turner, in his book, _'Big Friend, Little Friend',_ six .50 cals were enough to shred any German fighter. The extra weight and complexity of eight guns made it too heavy and too complicated for no advantage. It didn't make the pilot a better shot but it did make the aircraft considerably heavier..

@@thethirdman225 Your point is well taken. I wonder if there are any trials of 6 vs 8 gun Thunderbolts. I still like the devastating impact of 8 x 50 cal in the ground attack role.

@@davidbeattie4294 *_"I wonder if there are any trials of 6 vs 8 gun Thunderbolts."_* There almost certainly were because the original P-47 had six guns, not eight. The trouble was that the designers took their eyes off the ball. They added guns instead of internal fuel capacity. Pilots didn't need extra guns to shoot down enemy fighters but the USAAF _did_ need a fighter with sufficient internal fuel to go deep into Germany with the bombers and the P-47 didn't have it.

And Yaks

@Infinity Aren't Yakovlevs were better than Lavochkins? As far as I remember, the Yak was the most well liked plane among the soviet pilots.

@@elpatrico2562 Think you've got it a bit mixed up, the Lavochkin La series of planes outclassed the earlier Yaks. I believe the Yaks were much better than the underpowered LaGG planes which is probably what you were referring to, which themselves were disliked by their crews, outperformed by contemporary German fighters and was powered by an equally underpowered Klimov VK 105(PF) engine. The prototype La 5 quite literally had a Shvetsov M-82 Radial engine, (a much better engine than the engines equipped in previous LaGGs) lifted from a ground attack aircraft and grafted onto the nose of a LaGG fighter which subsequently led to the creation of the superior La-5 series of fighters which were well respected and almost equaled some German fighters if proper experienceand training was present, that is. Even the Yaks were much more favoured than the LaGG series of fighters and before the La-5, LaGG production was completely stopped in order to concentrate on Yak production as it was much more promising, liked by their crews and just performed much better.

@@stephenc5103 I'm aware of the bad reputation of the LaGG series, I was refering to the pinacles of both versions, the Yak-3 and the late La-5. I did some research since then, and both planes had a really good reputation among soviet pilots and also the maintanance crew, since both were really simple, especially the Yak-3. I mostly based my thoughts about how some Yak aces claimed that their planes is superior even to the P-51 and Spitfire (at low altitude), but you can never be sure, because there could always be some bias.

@@elpatrico2562 ok so basically, the yaks were more maneuverable at low altitude and speed, but performed worse at high altitude and speed. Its firepower was superior in caliber and destructive power but you needed to really aim it well, since it had little ammo. The allied, early german and japanese doctrine at the time was: "just brrrrrrrrrt all over the place and you'll hit something eventually, since you have so much ammo". The late german and soviet doctrine was: "wait for the right time to shoot and only shoot a couple of rounds when you have a clear shot". This made sense since the soviet and late german guns had a ton of stopping power and very little ammo, and the allied 50. Cals didn't do any impressive damage, but if 8 50. Cals fired continuously, they could be more effective in the hands of a less experienced pilot, whereas soviet and late german planes needed to be aimed with more expertise, otherwise the ammo would just run out. Hope this helped!

Great reminiscing, thank you.

It’s a good thing the P-47 had all that armor and “survivability” because it spent plenty of time on the defensive getting shot at. That’s something people seem to forget. The Thunderbolt was a formidable adversary in a dogfight, but only if kept within its rather slim envelope of strategic advantage. Rolling, diving, and powering away.

Glad he did.

@@Pravlord Not.

*_"His answer was simple, it had more armour-plating than all the other single engine types, and he simply wanted to have the best chance of survival! Can’t really argue with that!"_* It had about the same amount of armour as a Spitfire, about 85 lbs from memory. The Hellcat had 220 lbs.

Couldn't climb.

Yeah, that tickled me, too!

Almost worthy of a "Scotty Kilmer" video, eh?

Explanation of how water methanol injection increases power, hard 0

@@thecrazyfarmboy agreed... Not only cooling of the air charge, but the injected methanol also increased the octane number of the incoming fuel, allowing an accompanying extra boost from the supercharger to be applied and resultant higher compression in the cylinders to not cause detonation in the cylinders. That's why the temporary methanol boost also decreased fuel economy...

@@PJS50 exactly.. he almost had it but then he missed the most important point of all- the simple fact that it allows the engine to handle higher manifold pressure

Very cool comparison bro!

I think this statement is wrong on its face. The P-51 was designed by America with an American engine. But the P-51 did not reach its true zenith until the Rolls-Royce Merlin (yes, British-made) engine made it truly excellent.

@@veritas41photo You must be a blast at parties. ;)

And then 30 years later: Let's build a gun and then design an airplane for it. We can call it the Thunderbolt II

But, yeah, it still has legs because: We designed an airplane and the Europeans designed an engine for it.

I know that from Yarnhub

Wrong

He gave up after counting 200 without taking a single step

@@deliamoldovan3956 Thanks Dad.

great piece of info, would not have known that, it seems a lot of ingenuity was built into the P-47, particularly with the delivery of cool air into the pistons at altitude.

@@michaelmancini5773 Yes, the plane is often only known for being big and tough, but it was actually really advanced as well.

robertorolfo For instance the flaps were designed to preserve the airfoil even if damaged by first extending rearward and then only at the end of travel tipping downward

Without paddle-blades 10.7m/s. Okay... F4U-4 R-2800-18W 19.67m/s, P-51D-25-NA 17.65m/s, N1K1-J Homare 21 16.76m/s, Ki-84-I Homare 23 21.7m/s, Ki-44-II Ha-34-11 20.0m/s, Fw 190 A-4..6 BMW 801 D-2 18.25m/s, Bf 109 F-2 DB 601 N 19.0m/s, La-7 ASh-82FN 17.0m/s, Spitfire 14 Griffon 61 23.0m/s... So, what is the new initial climb rate of P-47D-22-RE then?

Walter Pratt A P-47 with cuffed prop could climb at 3,600 feet/sec at sea level. At 25 angels it could climb at 2,600 feet/sec and for comparison a 109G-14 could only do 2,300 feet/sec climb at that altitude. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UHUmWTnBuhU.html shows this all in exceptional detail starting at the 17 minute mark

cool

With about 2 tonne of metal in front of the pilot, they were (relatively) well protected.

@@nathanhobson1142 the engine had two rows, meaning that if a round hit the first row, it would either have bounced or flipped or started spinning around and either hit the second row or failed to penetrate the armor plate between the pilot and the engine... Of course the pilot could still get hit, but it was less likely thanks to this

Try that in a 51or spit

That's exactly what happened to my old boss in 1944. A flak round hit his Jug blowing off 2 cylinders but the big Pratt kept running and got him home.

As a Hitman fan, I initially thought you were talking about Agent 47

I know, me too!! 😂

*_"I remember when i was a kid we had a neighbor who was lucky to survive from the plane getting upside down on takeoff from all the torque but always loved hearing a old legend that the p-47 broke the sound barrier in a power dive."_* Total BS. Been disproved more times than you've had hot dinners. No propeller aircraft can exceed the speed of sound. The readings were erroneous because of shock wave formation in the pitot head.

0g0mogos EPİK World Tell that to the us pilots in war thunder which can t do anything else then dogfighting

@@sfantugraal6717 I think that its pretty good in war thunder you just need to climb after spawn to about 10K feet and pick off low flying bombers or climb more to kill more bombers or dive on heavy fighters and attack aircraft

@@IanNuke u use impirial in wt?

well, I fly all of its modifications in WT and they are rugged. When I go out in a squad of 4 with my buddies - we wreck the enemy team, no matter if its american P-47, Soviet lend-lease P-47 or german captured P-47, it fights just as well against all planes, even itself.

@@zhurs-mom lmao I saw the the 10k feet and thought, jesus, thats out in space, what bombers are there. fuck Imperial

For a second there I thought you were thanking your own brain.

Let us hope your engineering work is VASTLY superior to the "research" quality of this channel. I watch to observe all the lazy dumb good sounding ignorant shit he says as a reminder that just because someone calls themselves an engineer or has a document saying they are one, does not make one an engineer. If you want actual pseudo engineering on youtube watch Greg's Airplanes and Automobiles, or Millennium 7 * HistoryTech, or many other channels. This channel is almost guaranteed to be repeated Bull Shit out of a poorly researched book someone already wrote.

@@w8stral haters gonna hate

@@darraghobrien1028 lazy ignorants like yourself and the host of this channel are going to slander out of sheer arrogance and incompetence.

w8stral I mean, as an engineering student, I can appreciate the way he lays out this stuff in laymen’s terms for non-engineers to understand, and the historical content is always nice to listen to. the high level of technicality of even basic thermodynamics or electrical networks will elude the average person, but the way he explains this stuff makes it really easy to grasp for someone that isn’t studying to be in any of these fields.

Ah, your cherished Grandfather!

my dad was a chief with the 373rd FS. he was on that beach too getting ready for the P-47s. Many years later, my brother took us to Omaha Beach. I remember dad saying that "a lot of this sand was still red when we got here" . The things that these men saw....

I agree, but the IL-2 might like to have a word with you :)

@@michalsimanek6988 LOL I mentioned the IL-2 in my second post. That turbocharger made all the difference in the world. Head to head the P-47 could out climb an IL-2 in in a heartbeat.

@@rayceeya8659 What is everyone talking about? My WarThunder pilot record clearly shows that the IL-2 was an air superiority fighter, eclipsed only by the mighty Ju-87D

@@nazamroth8427 LMAO oh man good one! That's like a joke that belongs on Squire's channel.

@@rayceeya8659 To be fair the p47 was a fighter-bomber while the il2 was purely for cas only

Juggernaut was the RAF nickname.

@@Hagen823 Please cite any reference. Not being snarky here. I seriously have never heard this, and would like to read where this came from, and not something recent. I will admit that I'm dubious of it though.

it's not true, although should be. incidentally there is almost no evidemce that, the 'jug' was an actual term used at the time, more so after ww2.

It was called the jug because it looked like a milk jug laid on it's side. Take a look at the old one quart glass milk bottles.

@@henrychubbs2823 yes exactly! And anyways, it wasn’t called that during world war 2 either. I have only seen one contemporary reference to a ‘jug’ . Normally it was referred to as a p47, thunderbolt.

so is a war plane a bad but rad vehicle?

Werrrrrrd!

SICK

As someone who just took thermodynamics I concur with this statement.

LOL!

Slap some more .50 cals on there to. Just for fun.

@Jon Boy - The Twin Mustang actually was Two Mustangs put together. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-82_Twin_Mustang

And we ditched the Merlins for Allisons.

Hey pilot. Are you exausted flying a plane for 5 hours strait? Get your Buddy and fly your plane together.

Dad said they used to have them come back with multiple cylinder heads shot off. sounded like crap but still turning the prop

overall the best engine the us built.

His 3D stuff looks remarkably similar to that of Mustard (YT channel about planes w/ nice animations). Maybe they collab, or just use the same program?

@@dirtypure2023 It's in both cases a 3D model in a software generated sky. Not much difference you can create other than the animations and a bit of color grading.

I see some video from flight sims / war games.

@@eliprenten7066 I know. I'm referring to the quality of shading and textures. It has a very similar visual style in that regard to the work of Mustard. You know there's more to 3D rendering than just the model itself, right?

@@dirtypure2023 I know exactly what I'm talking about because I'm the person who made these 3D animations. So to answer your question, it's probably because I'm using Octane render and maybe Mustard does too, I don't know if he does. The airplane models are bought from sites as Turbosquid. So neither of us own that visual style of the models themselves.

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I don't get it

Man, just want to give that plane a pat on its rudder, just watch that frame shimmy for a sec....

Nakul Salat stop self promoting little kid

@@thef-35lockheedmartinlight11 stop complaining little kid

Could also have measured it in kilowatts while showing a German shore. (Probably won't get that unless you're German.)

@@Dowlphin I see what you did there

More like cheesy and opportunistic.

Was thinking the same thing.

Like some of my women.

@@bribbripnairbnab7301 chad 100

Don’t forget Thirsty Plane 🥴