Every era will be different, but it's crazy to exclude players that define a position for a generation of baseball fans. Martin and McCann as well as players like Andruw Jones deserve to be in the hall.
@@DrewTripletsKaton there were many years in Andruws career you could argue he was the best overall CF in the game. Certainly defensively at a premier position. You would never be able to argue that for McCann or Martin. It’s not denigrating them to say they don’t belong in the hall, it’s exclusive. If there was a hall of very good they are both deserving of that.
I was waiting for someone to make a video on this. Nicely done. I don’t think they are hall of famers but they are a lot closer than people realize. Maybe they’ll get in one day with the veterans committee if the voters start digging into the sabermetrics rather than traditional stats.
To me, Martin and McCann have interesting cases, but fall just short of the HOF. Framing is important, but as you said, Martin and McCann never had that individual season or "moment", nor played with one franchise, which so often boosts borderline cases like these. Mauer played for the Twins his whole career and won 3 batting titles, the most of any catcher, and had that insane 2009. Posey was the leader of the Giants dynasty, and even stayed around until after the out of nowhere 2021 107-win Giants; him retiring is a big reason they missed the playoffs entirely in 2022 (alongside general regression). And Molina, the best defensive catcher ever, and perhaps the best defender ever period, alongside fellow Cardinals great Ozzie Smith, and Orioles greats Brooks Robinson and the ever-underrated Mark Belanger. In the end, in borderline cases like with Posey and especially Mauer (I don't think Molina is borderline, he's sure-shot), small details do matter, if only as tiebreakers. Either way, good video! You make a compelling case for Martin and McCann, even if I don't agree 100%. Subbed.
Thank you! I had a lot of fun making this video. It took a while for me to make this video, so don't count on a video anytime soon, but I'd love to make more videos in the future if time allows!
I truly understand how important framing is, but putting it in WAR must stop, because it will all end if MLB says we'll use statcasts for calling balls, and framing will all be a meaningless effort after that.
I don't think either are as good as Bill Freehan. Gene Tenace was also better, though his career was a little short. Darrell Porter is another guy who was at least as good. None of these players including Martin and McCann deserve to be in except possibly Freehan just due to being the top AL catcher for a ten year period.
I'd argue both Freehan and Tenace should be in the HOF, Freehan was the best catcher in the AL from 1964-1974, overlapping a little at the end with Tenace, who was the best (or tied for best) catcher in the AL from 1973-76, and then the NL from 1977-1980. Tenace probably would have also remained so for the next few years at least, but split time with Darrell Porter in 1981, then was the backup to Porter in 1982. Basically, on a different team, he still would have been a top catcher given more opportunity. Catchers don't have to hit the same marks to be HOFers in my view, at least offensively, especially for cumulative stats. A catcher's peak is more important to me, and Freehan both had HOF-caliber peaks IMO.
If this video upset you, you have some growing up to do lmao. Bunch of grown adults crying like children just because this dude wanted to shout out some underrated players. What a pathetic, sad way to conduct yourself
@@User-b9q2z It’s the only part that puts points on the board. Being good on defense is only Hall of Fame worthy for pitchers since they are exclusively defensive players
