brothers, i think when you discuss with christians, it’s best not to interrupt each other with your insights. one person can convey a message better than 3 or 4 at the same time, otherwise it causes confusion and for less fruitful discussions. good job on conveying the message of islam, though.
Guys! You really need to fully listen to Ryan and be respectful ! Even if he does not know, you must be compassionate, empathetic and key listener to Ryan !
now we know why Jesus (pbuh) will say this to the christians👇when they say : Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? and cast out demons in your name?and do many mighty works in your name? ' And then jesus will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness..... Subhan Allah
To be honest bro I did come in a little to fiery. Sorry about that bro, next time I hope for it to be more civilized. You get forget sometimes your dealing with real people, real souls, and eternity is at stake. I apologize for the lack of respect that I showed, that’s not how I do it in person and it shouldn’t be how I do it over the internet
Your good bro the main thing is just be Sincere like the Crime scene example you mentioned, you said if the police arrived and the scene was clean doesn't he have to investigate? Well depends if the all knowing is telling me that there's no crime committed in there then I'll go with that
Don’t worry, he was adhering to the fallacy of equivocation. He said the Injeel was given to Christ, thus could not be the Gospel written by the apostles, not acknowledging the word Injeel deriving from the Greek word εὐαγγέλιον (euangéilion, Latin: evangelium) meaning "Good News", which happens to be the same word “gospel” is derived from. Just because it’s written down, does not mean it is not the “Good News” anymore.
All my Muslim brothers and sisters. You have to realise that there are going to be people who despite all proof and everything else will still reject Islam so don’t take their views on why they reject it for yourselves. They are literally corrupting you without you thinking so. Also Islam has always had hate since the beginning by others and they have been repeating the same false allegations since then. Not only have we basically bunked all of their absolutely incorrect ideas but also if there was something actually “missing” in Islam or not true then you must realise how discussed it would be but nothing really is. My point is just USE YOUR SENSES AND VIEW THROUGH YOUR EYES, LISTEN FROM YOUR EARS, TRUTHFULLY.
So Rumzi and Fawad said in other words that they follow the Injeel (their version of gospel giving to Jesus) and the Torah giving to Moses. But then they believe the same as the Jews? Why they fight then? And why they contradict. Because if you put the Torah next to the Quran, man world of difference😂
this is what blind faith can do to you, Ryan sounded so confident then when he was absolutely smashed he kept laughing and smirking here and there. Unfortunately the insincerity made the conversation a little bit fruitless but hopefully he opens his mind and heart May Allah guide him to the truth. believing a man is -Astghferullah- God because he DIED is actually insanity lol. only if your mind is corrupt you can believe in such nonsensical claims.
@@00AnimeLover0 You assume too many things, who is "muzzies" ? I do know a lot of your theology its not anything special. also I never said it was the only reason.
@@BodBeast I doubt you know basic Christian Theology, you are most likely the same person who would use verses and take them out of context when reading the Bible
In this discussion it should only have been between Rumzi and Ryan because Ryan wanted to discuss this topic with Rumzi. But I always get annoyed when brothers start interrupting the discussion with their own opinions. I swear sometimes we Muslims don’t have proper adab 🤦🏾♂️. So if Ryan got annoyed later in this video is because other brothers interjecting and spewing their opinions and probably making Ryan confused 🙄. Have proper adab guys subhanallah
Fawad said that allah will protect his word, so far as I understand that there are Quran only muslims, but what about the hadiths? Some muslims say you can not trust them. Sahih al bukhari 5133 says that Aisha slept with Mohammed when she was 9 years old and other muslims say that also. But some muslims say that she was 19 years old, big mistake if you ask me. So which one is it? Sahih al bukhari5133 if you read further you see that Aisha stayed with Mohammed 9 years until his death. So she was 18 according to Sahih al bukhari who is one of the most valued books after the quran for many muslims. Thats a big contradiction!
WTH is a dilama? I know what a dilemma is, but that's not what the title says. This guy isn't lying when he says he's neither a person of knowledge nor a student of knowledge. He's a student of spelling mistakes 😂
The Qur'an says it is "confirming that which was with them," that is, the Jews and the Christians [2:41, 89, 91]. The Jews had the Torah and the Christians had the Gospel because they were "revealed to them" [3:199; 5:47, 68; 7:157].
Al-Baqarah 2:41 وَءَامِنُوا۟ بِمَآ أَنزَلْتُ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا مَعَكُمْ وَلَا تَكُونُوٓا۟ أَوَّلَ كَافِرٍۭ بِهِۦۖ وَلَا تَشْتَرُوا۟ بِـَٔايَٰتِى ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًا وَإِيَّٰىَ فَٱتَّقُونِ English - Sahih International And believe in what I have sent down *confirming that which is [already] with you*, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me. Al-Baqarah 2:89 وَلَمَّا جَآءَهُمْ كِتَٰبٌ مِّنْ عِندِ ٱللَّهِ مُصَدِّقٌ لِّمَا مَعَهُمْ وَكَانُوا۟ مِن قَبْلُ يَسْتَفْتِحُونَ عَلَى ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ فَلَمَّا جَآءَهُم مَّا عَرَفُوا۟ كَفَرُوا۟ بِهِۦۚ فَلَعْنَةُ ٱللَّهِ عَلَى ٱلْكَٰفِرِينَ English - Sahih International And when there came to them a Book [i.e., the Qur’ān] from Allāh *confirming that which was with them* - although before they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieved - but [then] when there came to them that which they recognized, they disbelieved in it; so the curse of Allāh will be upon the disbelievers. Al-Baqarah 2:91 وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ ءَامِنُوا۟ بِمَآ أَنزَلَ ٱللَّهُ قَالُوا۟ نُؤْمِنُ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَيَكْفُرُونَ بِمَا وَرَآءَهُۥ وَهُوَ ٱلْحَقُّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا مَعَهُمْۗ قُلْ فَلِمَ تَقْتُلُونَ أَنۢبِيَآءَ ٱللَّهِ مِن قَبْلُ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤْمِنِينَ English - Sahih International And when it is said to them, "Believe in what Allāh has revealed," they say, "We believe [only] in what was revealed to us." And they disbelieve in what came after it, while it is the truth *confirming that which is with them*. Say, "Then why did you kill the prophets of Allāh before, if you are [indeed] believers?" Note: The Tafsir always identifies "that which is with them [the Jews and the Christians]" as the Torah (for the Jews) and the Gospel (for the Christians).
Aal-e-Imran 3:199 وَإِنَّ مِنْ أَهْلِ ٱلْكِتَٰبِ لَمَن يُؤْمِنُ بِٱللَّهِ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْهِمْ خَٰشِعِينَ لِلَّهِ لَا يَشْتَرُونَ بِـَٔايَٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلًاۗ أُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ لَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ سَرِيعُ ٱلْحِسَابِ English - Sahih International And indeed, among the People of the Scripture are those who believe in Allāh and what was revealed to you and *what was revealed to them*, [being] humbly submissive to Allāh. They do not exchange the verses of Allāh for a small price. Those will have their reward with their Lord. Indeed, Allāh is swift in account. Al-A'raf 7:157 ٱلَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ ٱلرَّسُولَ ٱلنَّبِىَّ ٱلْأُمِّىَّ ٱلَّذِى يَجِدُونَهُۥ مَكْتُوبًا عِندَهُمْ فِى ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةِ وَٱلْإِنجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُم بِٱلْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَىٰهُمْ عَنِ ٱلْمُنكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ ٱلطَّيِّبَٰتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ ٱلْخَبَٰٓئِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَٱلْأَغْلَٰلَ ٱلَّتِى كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْۚ فَٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ بِهِۦ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَٱتَّبَعُوا۟ ٱلنُّورَ ٱلَّذِىٓ أُنزِلَ مَعَهُۥٓۙ أُو۟لَٰٓئِكَ هُمُ ٱلْمُفْلِحُونَ English - Sahih International Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written [i.e., described] in *what they have of the Torah and the Gospel*, who enjoins upon them what is right and prohibits them from what is wrong and makes lawful for them what is good and forbids them from what is evil and relieves them of their burden[1] and the shackles which were upon them.[2] So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful. Again, the Tafsir identifies "what was revealed to them [the Jews and the Christians]" as the Torah and the Gospel.
Fawad says that Allah will not preserve the Bible or the Torah, then why do muslims say these books are the books of Allah? My collegue at work who is a muslim says it so. So there is little unity in Islam. The quran says that you have to go to the injeel and torah but where is the source then? But Rumzi says the quran has it in it so there is no need to go to the injeel and torah because these are corrupted so stay with the quran, but that is not a real good argument, then, anybody can say oh I am the last prophet. Then why does Zakir Naik go to the bible(torah and gospel) to say that mohammed was mentioned there? Since the gospel is corrupted, so Zakir Naik has no ground to say that. You just made Zakir Naik a liar. Good job! Little unity in Islam. They contradict each other. Again.😵
You should see muslims in Speakers corner, who always interrupt and dont let Bob speak🤣(Bob from soco) And this man Ryan was not disrespectful, he listens and did his best to listen to your opinions. But Alie named Ryan someone of not having discipline. Alie should say that to his brothers and sisters on speakers corner, to have some discipline.
and Rumzi changes his attitude now and now the testament(gospel of christians) that he claimed to be false, is now somewhat true and somewhat not. Man you just pickup verses what you want to believe it represents mohammed while it is put out of context(on Zakir Naik and Rumzi clearly in agreement that mohammed is mentioned in the bible😂)
Muhammad is for sure mentioned in the Bible. "In the last days, false prophets will arise..." If that isn't applicable to Muhammad, then it's not applicable to anyone ever.
@@manueljh.becerramendoza7559, I just look at what Muhammad is (a false prophet) and at what was predicted (that false prophets would come) and then I come to the conclusion I came to.
@@spurcalluth6300 forgive me for my answer I thought you were saying that Mohammed was in the Bible but you just affirmed that he is but as a false prophet. Sorry it is my mistake I reacted too quick
lol is this suppose to be some sort of dunk? its actually laughable that you dont even realize you are proving the meticulousness of the hadith corpus by you pointing out this hadith. Alhumdulillah that in Islam we are able to have a complete way of life and a practical example to follow. We dont believe in some unhumanly prophet; he lived as a man and from that we see the many applications of jurisprudence from not just his public life but personal life ﷺ. The shariah provides rulings in every aspect of life thanks to the people around the prophetﷺ relaying his life to the people after. And none more important than Aisha Radi Allahu `anhu, who is the mother of the believers*
Explain it? The hadith explains itself… Whats wrong with that hadith? Did you think muhammad pbuh claimed to be god? Do you even understand the religion of all the human prophets, al islam? Its about the the only true god and that he created us to worship him alone. Not about who’s washing who’s clothes… But i hereby invite you to the religion sent down by the one true god. You as a christian already say that you believe in one god, the only true god. We muslims just ask you to actually believe in the one instead of three in one. I mean why would you disagree with all the prophets including jesus who all said god is one?
@@TPO_onYT Your Islamic teenage mother understood Mohammed better than you. Sahih al-Bukhari 4788 Narrated Aisha: I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).' (33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires."
If god were real he would spare me from the insane levels of fallacious reasoning from Muslims on this topic. It is truly MIND NUMBING. I can’t get through 5 minutes of this garbage. The correct position of the Quran is that the majority of Christians have the uncorrupted Injil in their position at the time of momo. This isn’t up for debate unless you wanna call Allah a liar. I mean my god this position is just completely indefensible for y’all. Why can no one find me a single manuscript of the injil. Not one. Allah promised he would make the true followers of Jesus uppermost until the day of resurrection. JESUS CHRIST you’d think we could at least get a 99 to 1 ratio on true injil manuscripts to false. But y’all can’t find a single one. There are thousands of the gospels. It doesn’t matter if the modern day Bible is the gospel of Satan it’s still not the injil.
@@abzraky can you count God ? 1 as what ? Your Allah is one of the best creators meaning there is another God but the true God can't be counted he can be at the same time cause He is Jesus Christ and the Father are one ..that's why Muslims doesn't know the spirit cause Allah has no spirit
@@jesantos6976 lmao …. Don’t go to Islam to justify your 3 in 1. So when Jesus died who looked after the world ? If they are all 1, then if one does they all die …. You guys are mad !!!! Muslims don’t know the spirit …. If the spirit that resides in alll your church priests is anything to go by ….. I’ll pass !!! 😂😂😂😂 Do t they claim they have the ‘spirit’ in them yet they commit the most heinous crimes against children. 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮 all over the world … in France now, the government passed a law that all priests in the churches must have a Qr code for parents to check if the priest ( who has the spirit in him) is a child sex abuser !!!! No thanks !!!! I don’t want your Christian spirit !!! Besides, Jesus never ever , not once claimed godship …. That assumption is the wishful thinking of your anonymous bible writers who couldn’t even agree on the same thing!!! Sling it elsewhere fool !!!
