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The Issue With Saying The Rebbe Is Moshiach... 

Rabbi Yoni Katz
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@Zevviews8
@Zevviews8 5 месяцев назад
The rebbbe encouraged yechi: for over an entire year, accepted the kabalos Malchus signatures, its clear the rebbe accepted he was moshaich
@Delightful_Judaism
@Delightful_Judaism 7 месяцев назад
What about the fact that the rebbe encouraged yechi in 93??
@TheShoshie10
@TheShoshie10 7 месяцев назад
Rabbi Friedman explained that in this video, listen again
@Delightful_Judaism
@Delightful_Judaism 7 месяцев назад
He is only talking abt the fact that one time the rebbe said he will leave but he's not addressing the fact that in 93 94 the rebbe ENCOURAGED it for many many times
@snkrainbow
@snkrainbow 12 дней назад
Moshiachs the gaffer
@no_relation2me13
@no_relation2me13 7 месяцев назад
Can rabbi Friedman please address if he believes we are still the 7th generation or not. Thank you
@sarameiragootblatt1819
@sarameiragootblatt1819 16 дней назад
there was this chassidic story I read once, I don't remember all the details but it was about a Chassid who was a drunk. And one of the Rebbe's sent someone to learn something from him, and then that person went back to complain to the rebbe that the chassid suggested was a drunk. He only woke up to say one part of davening, let's say, yishtabach and would go back to sleep until the next day... how could he learn anything from such a person? So the Rebbe explained that this chassid was almost a tzaddik in his previous life, but something happen, and couldn't say yishtabach so he had to come back to the next life to say it, and in order for him to remain a Tzadik and not commit any averos, Hashem made him into a drunk. So he wouldn't even have the chance to sin. I love this story. I believe in recovery, in personal accountability and I definitely do not like the whole trend of kiddush clubs, but in life, and specially in addiction, there's always something more than meets the eye.
@deejaybutch3r
@deejaybutch3r 6 месяцев назад
So, why doesn't Chabad shuls remove the yechi banners and songs from the shuls - especially 770.
@deejaybutch3r
@deejaybutch3r 6 месяцев назад
WOW. 14:48 is exactly my perspective and the perspective of many others I know.
@exitthematrix1487
@exitthematrix1487 7 месяцев назад
Whoever he is hes LATE
@carlosa.n5100
@carlosa.n5100 3 месяца назад
Maybe Moshiach doesn't want to be Moshiach 😂😂😂
@user-ux3zf9wd9o
@user-ux3zf9wd9o 7 месяцев назад
Interesting point the yeshiva's that are known for drinking, are known to be very not machicist
@zalmanceitlin5970
@zalmanceitlin5970 5 месяцев назад
@ManisFriedman What you are saying is true for the early years, if you look later on in 1991/1992 at what the Rebbe said not only did he say that he is Moshiach, but he also encouraged it majorly
@MyPositivethinking
@MyPositivethinking День назад
The Rebbe may his merit protect us passed from the world 30 years ago. Now we work towards the Redemption as he directed us.Only G-d knows the who and when of Moshiach.
@MyPositivethinking
@MyPositivethinking День назад
He never said he is Moshiach
@sholoy480
@sholoy480 6 месяцев назад
Additional questions for Manis 1. Do you really believe that the Rebbe through his sichos and actions did not guide this belief? Especially when these sichos and actions came at a time and on the heels of growing worldwide chabad messianism. Do you also think that Rabbi groner is a liar? 2. Is Rebbe after stroke still same Rebbe? 3. Even yudel krinsky said at the kinus hashluchim 94 "we all agree" seemingly because of the clarity with which the Rebbe guided this belief, where did you stand in those years? 4. How can you maintain that the Rebbe is Rebbe and even tzadik if you take moshiach away from Rebbe? Didn't the Rebbe inform us that the Rebbe the Nosi is the moshiach of our generation? Didn't the Rebbe inform us as prophecy that this is the last generation of golus and first of Geulah? How can these 2 statements mean anything other than the Rebbe is melech hamoshiach? 5. In what ways do "antis" perform the particular instructives regarding moshiach and Geulah Such as: A. Publicing there is a novi and the nevuah of higiyah zman geulaschem B. Horoya of 2 Nissan to say "yechi hamelech" C. Horoya of chayei soroh that the overarching shlichus of our generation is to "accept moshiach" and all Avoidah should be performed in such a manner that it is apparent and obvious how each mitzvah and particular shlichus is for the purpose of this our shlichus to "accept moshiach" 6. We can see that Rabbi Marlow, yoel Kahan, nendel futerfas, libel groner, Jimmie guraery, rueven dunin and many other holy and esteemed chasidim were meshichistim who considered it our duty to proclaim the Rebbe is moshiach. How do you explain this? Additionally but not integral to this topic perhaps applicable to the 4 (not 3) lechayim rule, the Frideker Rebbe tells about how "sometimes you ask the patient not the doctor"
@sarameiragootblatt1819
@sarameiragootblatt1819 16 дней назад
chassidim can know better, because as our Rebbe said also multiple times, we all have a spark of Moshiach. We can all be our own Rebbe and our own Moshiach in our lives. Geula starts within...
@chavafinkel3098
@chavafinkel3098 7 месяцев назад
The Rebbe swung his hand to encourage yechi in 1992. The Rebbe accepted the yechi tambourine from Mrs. Cohen. The Rebbe thanked the women for bringing him kabbolas hamalchus signatures and greatly encouraged it. The Rebbe wanted a Palace built from him in Kfar Chabad and the Rebbe called the Frierdiker Rebbe Moshiach Der eintziker Moshiach shebedoro in 1992 that's 40 years after yud shvat! This video is grossly misrepresenting the facts. If we actually followed the instructions of chayei Sarah 52, it would be normal just like Mivtzoyim became normal
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
Oy, I was feeling closer to Chabad, but now I have to struggle again with the way some people turned the Rebbe into a cult....(which he very clearly and sharply said not to do)
@chavafinkel3098
@chavafinkel3098 6 месяцев назад
There's no such thing as a small chossid. Have a conversation with open curiosity with someone wearing a yechi yarmulka. Maybe you'll have some clarity. But Rabbi Manis Friedman is doing you and lots more a disservice by sweeping under the rug the sichos of the Rebbe from 1991-92 and pretending they never happened.
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
Wow a guy with severe brain damage after a massive stroke swung his hand while people were singing a song. Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@bigbadbear770
@bigbadbear770 4 месяца назад
100%
@RepairingFaith
@RepairingFaith 3 месяца назад
@@MultiMb1234 Heard this was the same reason Moses' body got taken away.
@j.vinisky1166
@j.vinisky1166 6 месяцев назад
One of the 13 Principals of Faith states that we believe in the coming of Moshiach daily, i.e. constantly. This implies that at ANY MOMENT there's a Moshiach candidate ready to step up to the plate. What are this candidate's qualifications? The Rambam clearly spells that out: " If a KING will arise from the House of David who diligently contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot a as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor will COMPEL all of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches in its observance, FIGHT the wars of God, we may, with assurance, consider him Mashiach." The Rebbe fits the bill on all these points: 1. Fom Beis Dovid 2. Influencer on a global scale in Torah observance, both Jews and even non-Jews 3. 6000 or so Chabads all over the planet 4. Fighting wars of God on many known, revealed, unknown, and concealed levels from day 1of his leadership in 1950, etc, etc. And this is certainly an incomplete list of accomplishments The Rebbe is a true King with an unprecedented, global reach, impacting all strata of society, presidents, royalty, scientists, prime ministers, politicians, etc, etc. Other than Moshe Rabeinu, Kings Divid and Shlomo (and this is 3000 yrs ago) no one has arisen to even remotely, minutely match that level. As to the argument, well, there was 3 Tammuz in 1994, etc. My response: the Talmud clearly points out that Moshiach may come from someone currently alive or from someone who has already lived (Sanhedrin 97,98). On a side note, someone of Rebbe caliber cannot be said to be completely gone as according to Kabbalah, the brain, heart , and kidneys are still functioning. But that's a side issue. The main point: since Moshiach can come at any moment and we are instantaneously transported to Temple 3.0, etc, etc. then there must be AT THIS VERY MOMENT the right man for the job. Moshiach is so out of the ordinary, so blatantly, in your face superior to any one else, ever. WHO ELSE CAN THIS POSSIBLY BE IF NOT THE REBBE? וירד מים עד־ים ומנהר עד־אפסי־ארץ “And he will rule From Sea To Sea and From the River to earth’s end. “ This is Moshiach. (Commentaries on Psalm 72:8)
@titmus312
@titmus312 6 месяцев назад
The word "king" is not a throwaway twerm that you can define how you like, it has a specific meaning (clue: it's in the same section of the rambam...) There is no evidence that he is a descendant of Dovid Hamelech. The Rambam doesn't say "influenced some people", he says "compels all the people". Obviously not relevant in his case. Like "king", "fighting wars" has a specific definition (again, in the same section of the Rambam) that he never partook in. On the contrary, when his contemporaries were fighting and dying for Eretz Yisroel, he was sitting comfortably thousands of miles away in Brooklyn. So your contention isn't just factually wrong, it's also highly offensive. And he can't arrive "at any moment", he's dead. And that's ignoring other facts like the Rambam saying he has to come from Israel, and that he will be previously unheard of. It can't be him, it could never have been him.
@j.vinisky1166
@j.vinisky1166 6 месяцев назад
I'm using the Rambam's definition for king, not mine@@titmus312
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@j.vinisky1166
@j.vinisky1166 6 месяцев назад
Rambam's Laws of Kings and their Wars, ch.11 "In the future, the Messianic king will arise and renew the Davidic dynasty, restoring it to its initial sovereignty. He will build the Temple and gather the dispersed of Israel." "If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance, consider him Mashiach." @@gavinriley5232
@deejaybutch3r
@deejaybutch3r 6 месяцев назад
Incorrect because mishichists push people away from Chabad and Judaism. I know this for a fact.
@Geulacenter613
@Geulacenter613 7 месяцев назад
What turns people of his laziness Not other people's behavior
@rudeb7
@rudeb7 7 месяцев назад
Can you comment on the fact that the Rebbe would have to raise himself from the dead before he could be Melech haMeshiach?
@no_relation2me13
@no_relation2me13 7 месяцев назад
Please see Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach. It's a free download and in English
@rudeb7
@rudeb7 7 месяцев назад
I'll try to find it. Thanks.@@no_relation2me13
@anthonyben-yah9745
@anthonyben-yah9745 6 месяцев назад
A Full Re-incarnation Of Body, Soul And Spirit Or Incarnation Of Spirit Alone Into An Already Existing Body And Soul Would Be The Way He Lives On And Can Still Yet Be Crowned; Amen And Amen; Hallelu Yah!
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
@@anthonyben-yah9745 Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@Mashgiach770
@Mashgiach770 7 дней назад
@@gavinriley5232 ignorance
@sarameiragootblatt1819
@sarameiragootblatt1819 16 дней назад
one silly comment tho, at the end when the Rabbi says that drinking and meshichism is turning people away from chabad, I once had a goyish Colombian friend who said, "I love your God who allows you and commands you to drink every weekend" lol. Just a silly recount. but yeah, drinking is a big issue in chabad, but comparing it to being a meshichist, it's a little bit of a stretch in my humble opinion.
@sholoy480
@sholoy480 6 месяцев назад
Manis false arguments 1. Oifen hamiskabel - did the Rebbe violate oifen hamiskabel when he made radical declarations about moshiach and Geulah? How about when the Rebbe encouraged singing yechi on the balcony? 2. Chabad is reviled because of this - how do you explain hisnagdus was even more heated through all the years of the Rebbes nesius due to the Rebbes own declarations and statements and chabads positions. 3. Conflation between generational moshiach and personal moshiach. - I don't believe the Rebbe ever mentions such an idea as personal moshiach. Generational moshiachs the rebbe in fact does speak about but they are singular in their generation and universal not varied and personal. Is the lesson of the gemara that everyone should believe his Rebbe is moshiach (why?) or should everyone seek to become a student of the moshiach ispashthusa d'moshe in each generation? Probably the latter. One could argue the purpose of this teaching in the gemara is to guide the Jewish people in each generation to moshiach. 4. The Rebbe was opposed to proclamations that he is moshiach and yechi and such songs - in fact there are too many accounts to list which conflict with this argument. To name a few Rabbi groners first hand testimony when he asked the Rebbe about this on multiple occasions. Jimmy guraries testimony after simchas Torah 93 when a delegation of 10 elder chasidm and rabonim asked the Rebbe directly about this. Of course we know and we have video of the Rebbe encouraging yechi before and after the stroke. The nature of these occasions was such that yechi wasn't only a feature but the defining feature. On multiple occasions we see the Rebbe answer amen to the brocha that he should be nisgaleh as melech hamoshiach. Granted the Rebbe did first oppose such proclamations and songs but clearly this position was reversed and to the extreme. To this one could apply the Talmudic dictum "koach dhetera odif" 5. The rambam is the sole halachist on this topic (and he doesn't support the contention that the Rebbe is moshiach)- this perspective of the rambams laws of moshiach is deeply flawed. Firstly the rambam does not pasken like Shmuel to the exclusion of the contrasting opinion which states moshiach will arrive on clouds and this is true even though generally the rambams psakim reflect Shmuel's psak "ein bein yemos hamoshiach , rak shibud malchuyos". This can be seen from the very beginning of the rambams psak dinim describing moshiachs qualifications "Im yaamod" the rambam is simply informing us how to crown or reject a moshiach which presents naturally in the event the coming of moshiach will transpire naturally like Shmuel suggests. The Rebbe says this as well. 2ndly the idea that Rabbi Akiva was wrong chas vSholom is deeply flawed and the Rebbe says this as well. In fact it's clear from the rambam himself that his mention of rabbi akiva and bar kochba is in order to pasken Halacha from Rabbi akiva. Any suggestion that the rambam mentions rabbi akiva as a "warning" is incorrect and deeply superficial. The opposite is clearly true, Rabbi akivas conduct is actually establishing Halacha and guidance for us. The sages of the gemara perhaps did not mean their Rebbe is melech hamoshiach but rabbi akiva certainly did and was moiser nefesh for this belief even though bar kochba did not yet even meet the criteria for chezkas moshiach. Lastly the Rebbe spoke at length on multiple occasions on the criteria in the rambam and explained how they have all been met by the Rebbe the Nosi. 6. Manis claims meshcistim basis for their belief even though the Rebbe is "opposed" is the because they believe that they must pressure the Rebbe - this is not the basis for the meshcist view. The basis for the meshcist view is our view and most independent scholars of the Rebbe would state the same that the Rebbe informed and guided the view that he is melech hamoshiach. Through sichos the Rebbe taught we are as a matter of fact (prophecy) the last generation of golus and the first of guelah and as such the moshiach of our generation the Rebbe the Nosi is in fact the final redeemer. The Rebbe speaks about the criteria for moshiach in the rambam and the most difficult one the building of the Mikdash the Rebbe darshens it is fulfilled in 770 beis moshiach. The Rebbe speaks about moshiach "Menachem shmo" and "moshiach vadai" while at the same time the Rebbe knows chabad meshichistim is growing and on fire. And then above that all the Rebbe encourages the singing of yechi as a primary feature of the Avoidah. The critics view is the most honest and accurate the Rebbe established and guided this belief. Even the gemara in Sanhedrin when each Amora states his belief that his Rebbe is the generational moshiach the Rebbe points to that as a lesson for us to view our Rebbe in the same light. But our generation is the final generation of golus and the generational moshiach is the melech hamoshiach and our sole avoida of our generation is accepting him as such (chayei soroh 92). This is consistent with the Rebbes statement in bosi legani and the general mission statement of chasidus "ksheyafutzu" to bring moshiach. The purpose and necessary conclusion of this movement is moshiach. The Rebbe informed us this in the beginning and affirmed it with prophecy in 92. Also I think we can all agree we dont believe in anyone filling the Rebbes space. Each Rebbe had a maleh mokom and the movement continued. Clearly the Rebbe is the final Nosi and it's silly and I believe each and every chosid will say inconceivable to imagine a maleh mokom. Even the notion is horribly disrespectful and unappreciative of the Rebbe and his accomplishments and contributions if we believe they can be "bettered". So either he is melech hamoshiach or we don't believe in one at all. Additionally in the maamer lhovin inyan rashbi the Rebbe teaches us we must "praise" according to the hamshochos which we require. This is the reason we praise Hashem and this is the reason the tanoim praised rashbi (Havayeh, shabos). Accordingly we must credit the Rebbe as moshiach just as the Rebbe showed us how he credits the FR as moshiach and in such a way we can elicit the desire from above to draw moshiach to this world in a more revealed way. This is the basis of meshichism. 7. Manis claims moshiach is only identified by his qualifications and only after he's brought Geulah and that any claims by an individual to be moshiach inherently is problematic - this echos yeshayahu leibovitch who called the Rebbe a "charlatan" and said anyone who claims to be moshiach is by definition a "false moshiach" There is no source or rational presented for this argument. We know it is accepted that before moshiachs arrival eliyahu will come and announce that moshiach is arriving. There isn't any reason to think that eliyahu is not coming in moshiach himself and announcing his arrival. But more fundamentally this argument is flawed because the true underlying yesod of this argument is that moshiach is only identified when he's completed his mission and brought Geulah to the world. Manis said this when speaking about the other false moshiach who claimed to be moshiach "and the biggest proof is Geulah is not here" This is a fundamental fallacy It is proved wrong by Rabbi akiva in that he proclaimed bar kochba moshiach and was moiser nefesh to do so during a war in days far shy of Geulah. And the reason Rabbi akiva did this is because it is integral to the process of redemption that moshiach be made "melech" same as it is integral between the Jewish nation and Hashem that Hashem be crowned melech And the Rebbe says this in chayei soroh sicha that A. In every generation there is a moshiach of that generation B. This generation completed Avoidah and is the last generation of golus and first of Geulah C. Therefore we have the appointment of the actual moshiach already D. Therefore there must be only one avoida left "to accept him as (melech) hamoshiach" so that he can complete his mission and redeem us And this point of hachtaras hamelech seems to be totally lacking by the general worlds understanding of moshiach even though it is the actual lesson from the actions of rabbi akiva and Manis seems to be unaware as well even though the Rebbe was very forward about this. 8. Manis claims chasidim called the alter Rebbe moshiach and all chasidim always called their respective Rebbe moshaich - It seems Manis is suggesting that there is no novelty in the Rebbes statement regarding Geulah and moshaich and that these statements reflect the prevalent attitude of chasidim for generations and therefore we shouldn't get overly excited and take these statements literally. Manis is claiming all chasidim allways related to their Rebbe as their "personal moshiach" (and perhaps the "generational moshaich"?) and this is how Manis would like us to view the Rebbes mesionsim as well. In fact Manis offers no source for this idea of personal moshiach in the first place but regardless the claim that this sort of mesionsim has a precedent is untrue and completely misleading; there is no history or culture in Lubavitch of calling the Rebbe moshiach until the Rebbe started doing this. And the Rebbes statements on this topic are not of the nature of general moshiach ferver. Such a suggestion is absolutely contrary to many clear and unambiguous statements from the Rebbe himself when he informs us he is announcing the actual redemption "un kein pshetlach" Contrary to what Manis wants us to believe the Rebbe's statements on this topic are absolutely unprecedented. In the history of the Jewish people no tzadik has ever made such proclamations and the Rebbe did so in the most unambiguous way possible when the Rebbe announced that this is a matter of nevuah
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 4 месяца назад
Shaloy you have written a beautiful scripture, a logical theological treatise. and I'm sure there are a few thousand people who believe in it. Meanwhile, Jews are being slaughtered, raped and kidnapped, spit upon, defamed and falsely accused of every crime imaginable. Will you now proclaim that these catastrophes and the continuing galis are due to the fact that only a few thousand people will believe in your treatise? That if we would all wave yellow banners that this excruciating time would be over? Or will it take each of us working to reveal our inner spark of Mashiach through self-transformation?
@Kutithecookie
@Kutithecookie 3 месяца назад
Did you see the tv broadcast that the rebbe was apart of that the everyone around the world said יחי also that is not the argument the argument is that the rebbe himself approved of it
@user-tr6cf6ct1d
@user-tr6cf6ct1d 6 месяцев назад
Thank you very much. So clear, so important. I wish evry hassid would realy listen.
@commoveo1
@commoveo1 7 месяцев назад
Question I ask many ha ha, while they are sitting on their hind quarters ha. What are you going to do in Heaven? Hopefully it sends them on their way and with much Hope with a day smiling and a heart of joy and maybe a list lol. Oh Rabbi I wish you a Beautiful day yet 😊 I’m happy to feel it will be✨💫❤️✨. Sincerely Grateful, Howard Jackson Buskirk ✨❤️✨🌳
@kalman770
@kalman770 7 месяцев назад
The Lubavitcher Rebbe came out on the porch in 770 when Jews sang Yechi!!!! Are you saying that the Lubavitcher Rebbe is a Liar!!
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
Yechi could have been understood by him as a prayer, a positive affirmation of what could be. Unfortunately he wasn't able to manifest as Melech haMoshiach, but Baruch Hashem, he remains a personal and communal Mashiach of the generation for those who are deeply connected to him and his awe inspiring, brilliant Torah.
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@Mashgiach770
@Mashgiach770 2 месяца назад
@@gavinriley5232 ignorance
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 2 месяца назад
@@Mashgiach770 You are the one blurring the line between Judaism and Christianity. We already have Tzfatim screaming “yechi elokainu…” and other such avodah zarah. Chabad is beautiful. But yechiniks are steering thousands of young men towards a life that flirts idol worship.
@DavidiBen-Yoav
@DavidiBen-Yoav Месяц назад
@@gavinriley5232 please do me a favour and look up rashi in daniel 12:12 then come back and talk about "blurring the line"
@bigbadbear770
@bigbadbear770 7 месяцев назад
I could write a rebuttel for every single point being made in this video, but just 2 points to start with: 1. Yes, the reason given as to why we shouldn't tell ppl the Rebbe is Moshiach is because it might push ppl away from chassidus, which is correct. But. 1) That does not mean the belief is inherently wrong in itself. it's just that there is a bigger picture to take into account as well. The belief may have been rebuked but NEVER was it denied. 2) if one ascertains that their audience will not be pushed away from chassidus because they are already close and genuinely want to know 'is the Rebbe Moshiach' then what right do we have to withhold the truth from them. 2. The statements regarding the Rebbe responding strongly against those who said he was Moshiach are also correct. But. 1) This was during a specific time period. After this time passed, the Rebbe changed his approach. This radical change began 1990/91 - the last year when the Rebbe could speak to us. Before those years, yes, it was not the right thing because it was not the right time. But in that last year, The Rebbe very strongly hinted to us he was Moshiach many times and in many ways and strongly encouraged those who believe so. To understand how something that was once bad could become good or vice versa, we see quite a few examples in Torah. Adam and Eve were instructed not to eat from the tree of knowledge for a specific time period. After this time period, they would've been allowed to eat from it. Furthermore, personal altars used for sacrifices used to be permissible. With the establishment of a centralized location in the tabernacle/temple, they became prohibited. Likewise, regarding Torah itself. There was a time when learning secrets of Torah was frowned upon and studied only by a select few. But then, at a certain point in time, the Arizal declared it a mitzva to study and spread secrets of Torah. Even regarding the oral Torah - writing it down, used to be prohibited. But then, times changed, and it became a sanctioned necessity. So, as clearly demonstrated, we can see that yes, sometimes things that were once forbidden change. This is indeed the case with the Rebbes identity as Moshiach. At first, it was denied and rejected. But when the time came, it became encouraged. As King Solomon writes, everything has its time. There's is so much more to say, but it's really disheartening to hear this viewpoint that while presented as 'the truth,' is really a mixed bag of half truths and personal opinions.
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
Surely the Rebbe knew he was the top candidate to become Melech haMoshiach and wanted the chasidim to help him achieve that. This doesn't mean that he DID achieve that. Again, Rambam delineates what it looks like when someone does acheive that. His candicy wasn't and isn't helped by chanting slogans and waving flags, and acting like a common cult. In fact, the Rebbe plainly said such sectarian, cultish behavior can hurt. The Rebbe teaches us to hasten Redemption by awakening our own internal Mashiach, but the small chasidim prefer to delay the Redemption with cultish sectarianism.
@bigbadbear770
@bigbadbear770 6 месяцев назад
@@MultiMb1234 the Rebbe still retains the status of Chezkas moshiach - he is still a global force that influences not just the Jewish people but also the world at large. We are still in the midst of the process, thats all. Just look at Argentinas new president for example. Does it make any sense in the world that a non jew should be in such awe of a Jewish Rabbi that passed away almost 30 years ago? No, it doesnt. Unless there is something truly remarkable about this Rabbi, which there is. But no one is saying the Rebbe has achieved the status of Vadai Moshiach according to halacha, which of course has its own criteria. As for the behaviour of those mentioned in your comment, there is definitely room to criticise that approach - but we're talking about the belief in of itself. The question of how to convey this belief to the world is a separate discussion. As for blaming the redemptions delay on these people, that for one is quite a harsh thing to say, though if you really want to go down that road, one could just as easily argue, thats its the people who are 'hiding' the fact the Rebbe is Moshiach, or worse, denying it as per the above video, that just as equally, if not, even more at fault here.
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
@@bigbadbear770 harsh, yes, but many, many people I know see the pin wearing, flag wearing, yechi singing naarim as ridiculous, no different than Nanach cultists or idolatrous Elokists/Boreiniks, and also unfortunately as reprentative of Chabad as a whole. Because of this, my acquaintances don't see the value in the Rebbe’s Maamarim, which are obviously beyond great. So meshichists, sadly, really do prevent people from accepting and imbibing the light of Chasidus. And if studying Chasidus hastens Geulah, then these people who are destroying the credibility of Chasidus are in fact delaying Geulah. It really hurts to see this kelipah proliferating, thus the harshness.
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@bigbadbear770
@bigbadbear770 6 месяцев назад
@@gavinriley5232 The status of Chezkas Moshiach according to Rambam does not require Moshiach to build the Beis Hamikdosh - thats Vadai Moshiach. And arriving a donkey is not included as part of the halachic criteria for identifying Moshiach. Its from the Gemara that states there are 2 ways Moshiach could arrive - on a donkey, or on clouds - commentaries explain allegorically to mean Moshiach could come either come in a natural way (likened to the lowly donkey), or in a supernatural way (likened to riding on clouds), but again, this is not halacha. As for being a king, The Rebbe himself explains this is not referring to a literal king formally appointed by a Sanhedrin comprising of 70 judges and a prophet but rather a Jewish leader. This he proves from the previous halacha which speaks of R Akiva who considered Bar Kochba to be Chezkas Moshiach and was called a 'king' even though there was no prophet in his time. As for being among the dead, that is also not entirely ruled out according to halacha - one who is killed may be disqualified but being killed is not the same as dying. And other classic sources do support this possibility as stated in Gemora, Sanhedrin 98b "Rav says, if Moshiach is among the living he is like Rabbeinu Hakadosh and if he is among the dead he is like Daniel Ish Chamudos." As for the christian belief, do you realize that so much of what they believe is taken from Judaism? Does the fact they believe in Moshiach (albeit their own understanding of it), prevent us from believing in Moshiach? Does the fact they believe in G-d (albeit their own understanding of it), prevent us from believing in G-d? If they started keeping Shabbos, would that mean we would have to stop keeping Shabbos? I think you get the point by now. But to answer the point about the second coming in more depth. A question is asked, if Judaism does indeed support the belief that Moshiach can come from the dead, then why couldn't it be anyone - Let it be Moses or King David himself! To this, the Rebbe answers very simply, the reason why it can't be anyone throughout history is because then it wouldn't fit in with the Rambams criteria. In order to fit in with Rambams halachic criteria, Moshiach must the primary force influencing the Jewish people leading up to the redemption. So while the tzadikkim of previous generations cannot qualify, the Rebbe still does. So even though we don't see him physically there is no 'second coming' in that sense, since in essence his leadership remains. However it is interesting to note that in the second last Rashi in the book of Daniel it says ""Moshiach will be revealed, hidden and then revealed again." Once again, the Rebbe fits this criteria. So yes, of course I accept the facts. Do you? :)
@GelsonNhanga-xq1jv
@GelsonNhanga-xq1jv 6 месяцев назад
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@jocelynbolduc2769
@jocelynbolduc2769 6 месяцев назад
Children of a lesser God. J 😢❤
@markmogler6598
@markmogler6598 7 месяцев назад
The Rebbe said something like this in his first speech , as the Rebbe of Chabad , that after the first murder on earth the Shechina went up 7 steps and Avraham , Yitzchak ,Yaakov... brought it down step after step ,till the building of the first Temple , then after the destruction of the second Temple the Shechina went up again 7 levels and the Chabad Rebbes brought it down again level after level and it was clear the Rebbe is saying something like ,without saying it directly ,he is the 7th step with the building of the third Temple and him as the Melech HaMashiach !
@titmus312
@titmus312 7 месяцев назад
Yup. He was wrong for many decades.
@user-bg8mk9su2y
@user-bg8mk9su2y 6 месяцев назад
If you want to argue and disagree with the rebbe that's your own dumb opinion קרח argued and disagreed with משה רבינו and frankly the Israeli government also argued and disagreed with the Rebbe... How many Jews have to be killed for them to realize that whatever the rebbe says is absolutely שכינה מדברת מתוך גרונו
@markmogler6598
@markmogler6598 6 месяцев назад
The Rebbe is for sure the Melech HaMashiach 100%. He is a real Zaddik and was never wrong. You just dont understand it , because you didnt learn the right things about it. Sorry ,try to find a good teacher for this !
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@yonahshifren1161
@yonahshifren1161 7 месяцев назад
Thank you rabbi for the insight,your wisdom and understanding rivals that of korach in his generation. Many people don’t understand that in order to be the bar plugta of the Lubavitcher rebbe you have to be very smart and a Torah scholar,unfortunately fools can’t appreciate the wisdom of the rabbi
@sarameiragootblatt1819
@sarameiragootblatt1819 16 дней назад
first thing I actually disagree with Rabbi Friedman. I actually have seen my Sefardi, modern orthodox, conservative, litvish, friends, family and acquaintances accepting the Rebbe's Malchus or at least not debating it (specially after Oct. 7, people who before disagree with the Rebbe in terms of 2 state solution, UN perspective, wiping out enemies, etc) have said HE IS RIGHT. That's my opening with telling them, only Moshiach would know this 30 years ago!!!! the more we say Yechi, the more chayus we give to our Rebbe Melech HaMoshiach! Keep saying it unafraid of turning people off Chassidus. There's no turning back, Moshiach is here.
@user-bg8mk9su2y
@user-bg8mk9su2y 6 месяцев назад
1. the rebbe never said he is NOT MOSHIACH but said that the advertising of it may turn people off from lubavitch 2. it was not "for many years" rather it was one time בראשית תשמ"ה 3. but afterwards only one year later שמחת תורה תשמ"ו the rebbe publicly spoke how he is moshiach (and many times before and after) 4. 100's of times that the rebbe encouraged the singing of יחי אדוננו מורנו ורבינו מלך המשיח לעולם ועד and at times on live television 5. why does Rabbi Friedman take it as a FACT that people get turned off? There was an answer from the rebbe to the shlochim in South Africa on this exact topic in the summer of 5751 "that the local chabad should determine" i.e. there isn't one size fits all 6. to compare pressuring the rebbe to accept the נשיאות to accepting that he is moshiach is not the only basis of the Messianic belief 7. but on the note of 6 yes it is very comparable because as it is explained in חסידות that מלכות on its own doesn't want to express itself and has to be aroused through and by the זולת 8. nobody was or is ח"ו telling the rebbe what to do or what to become. What we are saying is because you are by default moshiach we are accepting it upon ourselves i.e. we are ready And in the rebbe's own words דער מינוי פון דוד מלכא משיחא איז שוין געווען עס דארף נאר זיין קבלת מלכותו ע"י העם (שבת פרשת משפטים תנש"א מוגה) Free translation: "The appointment of moshiach was already all that's needed is the people to accept it" (Feb/09/91 edited version) 9. when you ask a ברכה for a רפואה שלמה or chant "we want Moshiach now!" are you telling g-d what to do? 10. no one is saying to get in a fight about anything 11. the אמוראים reply to their colleagues was who they believe moshiach IS, not you're wrong & you're rabbe is not moshiach 12. To be accurate it wasn't just five students that happened to be sitting around schmoozing but it was all the disciples as a group. in the words of the gemorah "...דבי רבי" 13. here's the difference between all the previous generation's saying on their rebbe he is moshiach and our generation. In our generation the rebbe prophesied that Moshiach is actually coming not only wishful thinking 14. This whole thing of "personal moshiach vs. the actual מלך המשיח" is there a מקור in תורה for it or it's Rabbi Friedman's own personal feelings/opinion 15. in reference to the story of the rebbe wanting to leave the פארבריינגען That was שבת פרשת נח תשנ"ב the song was חיילי אדוננו (not יחי אדוננו מורנו ורבינו מלך המשיח לעולם ועד) The rebbe gave 2 reasons why he will not leave 1) it's not going to help anyways 2) if he does leave all it will cause is the opposite of שבת אחים גם יחד. So if you want to explain that particular incident as the rebbe quote unquote being upset that חסידים we're referring to him as moshiach. what we learn from this is, is not to object and fight the Messianic belief because 1) it won't help you anyways because thousands of people all over the world still believe that the rebbe is the moshiach and 2) all you do gain is the opposite of שבת אחים גם יחד 16. nobody ever sang חיילי אדוננו after that, not 2 weeks later & not ever again (at least in the rebbe's presence) 17. about the drinking problem statistically the antis are the ones that have that issue and I even once heard one of them say "מת מלך בטול גזירותיו" 18. in earlyer years the rebbe was fiercely against taking pictures of himself and people spending time & money on traveling to חתונות בריתים ect. Do you want to tell me that Rabbi Friedman does not display a picture of the rebbe in his dining room? Will not travel for a ברית מילה of a grandchild? 19. Speaking about turning people away from chasidus Rabbi Friedman's unnecessary determination of using the term "g-d NEEDS us" has turned away people from chasidus more than the moshiach belief
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 Месяц назад
In response to 5. It can be taken as fact because many many people say it. Meaning the people who actually go the Chabad Houses. I for example grew up in a Xtian home. I converted under a Chabad Rabbi and attended for years. I never heard of the Mishachist nonsense. Our shul made a group trip to 770. And to be frank, I felt physically ill reading the signs and posters plastered all over the place. It felt as if this place I viewed as holy had been taken over by a cult, and it didn’t help when I spoke to the Yechiniks and the parroted all the same explanations and excuses the Xtians have used for 2000 years. Immediately, I decided to follow the Rebbe Rayatz primarily. I grew my payos and tuck them under the kippah, as the Rayatz. I wear the kapota like the Rayatz. And while I do wear the fedora, I make it a point to keep my brim up. I considered for a while even trying to move to a group such as Bostoner but figured that might be an over reaction.
@user-bg8mk9su2y
@user-bg8mk9su2y Месяц назад
​@@gavinriley5232indeed if the concept is not explained right it may turn a few people off. But there's no one size fits all when it comes to this. Besides the idea of chasidim saying that the rebbe is moshiach, comes from the Rebbe himself saying on the rayatz that he is moshiach...
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 Месяц назад
@@user-bg8mk9su2y It isn’t just that it isn’t explained well. Have you seen the bochurim during the Rebbe’s minyan? They will physically turn their back on the Torah and daven towards the Rebbes chair. This is nothing less than sac religious. I think another part of that is extremely off putting is how pervasive the messaging is. Why are there billboards? Who is that for? Why is every cross walk in Brooklyn covered in signs? This reeks of the stench of proselytizing. And the absolute worst part. The part that people who grew up frum cannot understand. When I ask the Yechiniks, where is Eliyahu? Or where is the temple? Where was he the king of? I get the EXACT same answers that the priests gave me growing up. “Eliyahu will announce when he return.” “The temple will be rebuilt when he returns.” “He was a metaphorical king. But will be a real king when he returns.” Obviously the Rebbe and Yoshke are not comparable human beings. But the people who believe each of them is Moshiach? The people have the EXACT same excuses word for word.
@RabbiPolichenco
@RabbiPolichenco 7 месяцев назад
Clearly going against the facts. The Rebbe spent a whole year and a few months encouraging Yechi. Almost every day. If he believed that it still would distance people from yiddishkeit, then he would not have encouraged it.
@jonathani1
@jonathani1 7 месяцев назад
According to Rambam, did the rebbe meet the criteria for Mashiach?
@bigbadbear770
@bigbadbear770 7 месяцев назад
​@@jonathani1for becoming Chezkas Moshiach - which is phase 1 of identifying Moshiach, yes.
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
He encouraged it while in 770, and while he was still hoping to become Melech haMoshiach. How does acting like a pitiful cult help anybody? Rather it is sending us backward and Jews are being slaughtered.
@gavinriley5232
@gavinriley5232 6 месяцев назад
Accept the facts. There is no Beis HaMikdash. He was no king. He never rode a mule. He never went to Eretz Yisroel. And he is dead. There is no possibility of him being Moshiach. You sound like a Christian talking about the second coming.
@RabbiPolichenco
@RabbiPolichenco 6 месяцев назад
@@gavinriley5232 we are talking about different facts, I'm addressing what Rabbi Friedman was saying.
@DennisMay-vf9vi
@DennisMay-vf9vi 6 месяцев назад
The Christian love Israel
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 6 месяцев назад
Moshiach is so mysterious for him... but God, oh no, He's not mysterious. He needs you...
@KingMessiah1999
@KingMessiah1999 6 месяцев назад
Compare me and whoever claims to be moshaich;Look at the coincidences that only God couldve made proving and differentiating from true and false.
@johnhenryruminski8662
@johnhenryruminski8662 7 месяцев назад
IT IS TIME !!!! LOVE JOHN !!!!
@chaimosdoba-fz9tf
@chaimosdoba-fz9tf 2 месяца назад
Actually facts show that before 1990 all not lubavitchers agreed with everything the rebbe said and no one was against chabad if not for the mishichistim everyone would be chabad cause of their admiration for fake people who don't even agree with what the rebbe said clearly even in the first maamor of kabolas hanissius and many times in the the later years and the last year we were able to see the rebbe he came out many times just to Encourage yechi the last thing the rebbe left us off with but it so much more admirable to see someone who knows better then the rebbe and says he believes the rebbe is also a נביא so Is also like the rambam writes that someone who doesn't believe that what the נביא says will come true is a heretic in the whole torahוכל המהרהר אחריו הרי הוא כופר בתורה ובמשה רבינו ממש
@hippidippi8
@hippidippi8 7 месяцев назад
When i went to 770 there was a lady there almost like a tour guide telling me the rebbe was Mashiach which makes no sense to me and yes it did turn me off. Although of course we know he was a very holy special rabbi and we revere him.
@gideon880
@gideon880 7 месяцев назад
Chabad many times is the only Shul a Jew that lives far away can go. The huge picture of the Rebbe in the center of this homes, the constant prayers to him and seeking of a computer program answer, the songs sang to him in a daily basis, broke my heart. I was looking for someone who could talk about HaShem and His Greatness, not a man, may his soul be blessed, that besides is a Tzadik with great teachings should not replace The Master Of The Universe. I am sure the Rebbe is not very happy with this in Gan Eden. Baruch HaShem.
@RabbiPolichenco
@RabbiPolichenco 6 месяцев назад
ויאמינו בה' ובמשה עבדו
@deejaybutch3r
@deejaybutch3r 6 месяцев назад
Chabad prays to G-d - not the Rebbe.
@RabbiPolichenco
@RabbiPolichenco 6 месяцев назад
@@deejaybutch3r correct, but we do go to the Rebbe for guidance and blessings
@kalman770
@kalman770 7 месяцев назад
The Lubavitcher Rebbe gave me a Blessing and Approval as a Lubavitcher Emissary to publicize that The Rebbe is Moshiach and now the redemption is coming!
@titmus312
@titmus312 7 месяцев назад
Either he was wrong or he lied. Which is it?
@user-bg8mk9su2y
@user-bg8mk9su2y 6 месяцев назад
If you want to argue and disagree with the rebbe that's your own dumb opinion קרח argued and disagreed with משה רבינו and frankly the Israeli government also argued and disagreed with the Rebbe... How many Jews have to be killed for them to realize that whatever the rebbe says is absolutely שכינה מדברת מתוך גרונו
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
@@titmus312 i think that's a false dichotomy; it seems true that he could have become the Final Redeemer, and tried to make it happen by allowing the public to believe he was about to be successful any minute, but in the end he wasn't able to make it happen. That's why he finally admitted, "I've done all that I can do...."
@titmus312
@titmus312 6 месяцев назад
@@MultiMb1234 None of that makes sense. he could have been in the same way as anyone else could have been (if you ignore the Rambam saying he has to come from Israel). And what does "tried to make it happen by allowing the public to believe he was about to be successful any minute" even mean? He didn't do any of the things that the Rambam says are necessary. Not a single one.
@RabbiPolichenco
@RabbiPolichenco 6 месяцев назад
@@titmus312 Neither, we still have a Job to do, which is to get ourselves and the world ready to greet the Rebbe as King Moshiach
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 6 месяцев назад
Stop saying God needs you! It turns off people from learning Chassidus...
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 7 месяцев назад
This is a courageous talk, and it is courageous to publish it. Thank you, Rabbi.
@bigbadbear770
@bigbadbear770 7 месяцев назад
It's actually not courageous - it is a mixed bag of half truths and his own opinions.
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
Rude comments like that remind me that I don't want to be publically associated with Chabad. Sadly, I have to keep my love for the Rebbe’s Torah private.
@banshaklive5110
@banshaklive5110 7 месяцев назад
Wow so much כפירה in one video, if only he would've been נתרחק from lubavich it would of saved us alot of headache He does not represent chabad nor its ways
@thesweetlifeeveryday8143
@thesweetlifeeveryday8143 7 месяцев назад
❤ Thank you Rabbi Manis, for speaking on this matter.
@tzm1843
@tzm1843 7 месяцев назад
Thank you for clarifying this. Such a tragedy the delusional cultists wrecking Chabad.
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 6 месяцев назад
Just like saying God needs you
@notavailable1961
@notavailable1961 7 месяцев назад
He hasn't spoken like this for over 25 years. I had hoped he got in touch with reality... The more he talks trash like this the more he pushes ppl away from learning chasidus from him.... In today's day and age his bold face lies and misrepresentations are easily refuted by sharing videos, audios and sichos of the Rebbe himself which are all on line....
@MultiMb1234
@MultiMb1234 6 месяцев назад
Spoken like a real cultist, angry, accusatory, anti-intellectual reactivism against anyone who doesn't believe the Dogma
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 6 месяцев назад
​@@MultiMb1234 Exactly like Friedman claiming that God needs us... Manis thinks the same way with his beliefs. He's not better than a meshichist
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 6 месяцев назад
​@MultiMb1234 This is just saying thar there are facts that easily debunk the Rabbi's argument.
@titmus312
@titmus312 7 месяцев назад
The Issue With Saying The Rebbe Is (sic) Moshiach is that he never was and never could have been, because he didn't satisfy any of the criteria. Not a single one. Also, "asking the rebbe" (who isn't alive, of course) is categorically against the halacha.
@no_relation2me13
@no_relation2me13 7 месяцев назад
Please see Kuntres Shmoi Shel Moshiach it's a free download and in English
@titmus312
@titmus312 7 месяцев назад
@@no_relation2me13 Yeah, sure. What I would need for an objective appraisal of chabad messianic claims is... chabad propaganda.
@YelenaG
@YelenaG 7 месяцев назад
​@@no_relation2me13Thank you. There is a difference though in believing that the Rebbe passed away and will be resurrected to become Melach a Moshiach as discussed in the kuntres, vs what the Mashichists believe that the Rebbe did not die and has always remained alive in a physical body and we just dont see him. And I am not sure if there are sources for the latter view?
@no_relation2me13
@no_relation2me13 7 месяцев назад
@@YelenaG the sources for the mishachistim regarding what you say are mostly from the Rebbe saying the exact same things about the friedika Rebbe.... Manis Friedman has a very very unpopular opinion even among "anti mishachistim" and his opinion is very easily refuted by the Rebbe sichos and encouraging yechi in 1993 etc.... however scaring ppl away from chasidus is a very real concern....
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 7 месяцев назад
​@titmus312 Actually, the rabbi that wrote the Kuntres is not chabad or messianic at all. He just did an honest revision of the topic from the sources.
@stifft50
@stifft50 7 месяцев назад
Wow! Finally, there is a reasonable talking about this sensitive subject
@Arieleon-wh5rq
@Arieleon-wh5rq 6 месяцев назад
It's not sensitive at all. Everyone knows about it
@moo24251
@moo24251 7 месяцев назад
If you believe your rebbe is moshaich your a kofer but if you don't your also
@Mashgiach770
@Mashgiach770 2 месяца назад
please share your source
@aaronkohler6846
@aaronkohler6846 7 месяцев назад
I see that what you are saying is a total LIE rebba
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