The Joint Timeline of Soulsborne 

It’s all in the lore baby

The flattest lore.

Interesting... 🤔

Vaati: I just said that to show how easy it is to cherry pi- Me: yes, the earth is definitely flat

Vaati: you do not exist Us fading from reality: “your point is Val-”

I mean... if we're buying into the idea that The Old One is an allegory for a combination of Azathoth and Shub-Nigguroth, there is a possibility of who Patches could be. If Patches shows up in all universes and seems to delight in the deception and torment of humanity and the undead, he could be an allegory for Nyarlathotep. The most consistent depiction of this elder god is of a human, dressed in pharaoh's attire, and the other is a man made entirely of black, bald. If Patches references any elder being, it's probably the trickster god who likes to disguise himself as human.

@@Flevir so basically if loki took someones skin and was a lovecraft thing.(this being the watered down version of what you said)

​@@soupsonton7348 Ehh the only thing they really have in common is being shapeshifters. Loki is chaotic neutral while Nyarlathotep is chaotic evil (heavy on the evil). I've heard him described as a mix between the Joker and Satan.

Patches of Eldritch.

You're damn right.

seriously

Tru

“Those hollow asses try to escape our luncheon, eh? Kos, Ebritas, let’s show em a thing or three!”

​​@@goroakechi6126kos is dead af. Her orphan is what I'm scared of.

i mean it all went well until it didnt and the blood was found

He doesn't talk about humanity in the DS1 part, an essential part of dark souls.

@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 Its just split fragments of the Dark Soul created by lots of souls in the old one I guess?

@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 humanity are just a bunch of tiny shards created from the dark soul

@@uuddlrlrabsmhm8430 humanity came from the Dark Soul being split to pieces and the Dark Soul came from the first flame which isn't contradictory with this theory. (ooo look at me using fancy words like contradictory XD)

@@lukasruston8618 I believe this now, only for the fancy word

Exactly

same

Yep

Me too, where's King's Field tho?!

Puttenutt It does make sense and I bet you could perfectly explain everything

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Molly McIntosh Lmfaoo

Well in the dark souls games you are playing during the end of the world, most people are dead, the population is sparse, and things aren't what they used to be. They could have a lark and release a game about medieval peasantry where you farm turnips and say its set just a bit before curse appeared in dark souls 1.

Elijah De Pino yeah, I've always been curious how these cultures and societies operated before everything went to shit

"Poor Jimbo got caught with the sickness." "So I must keep him in a pen" than the man's child grows to destroy the pen and everyone in the villiage

The Eldritch Truth.

We've been betrayed, we've been backstabbed and we've been very possibly *bamboozled*

@@eryk8340 aint no way ive been bamboozled

@@username172 Think again

We’ve been shmekledorfed!

Bro, like, same

2M

correct

I know we are just having fun here but explain the "Everlasting Dragons". Wre they just left over from demons souls flying above the Fog and not need sustenance?? Only problem with that is couldnt you kill those dragons??

@@333rd4 immortality is different than invincibility

@@Adventure3Man fair enough point bud.

Lol

it probably wasn't so bad at the start, humans usually ruin things after a while xD

“ I’m going to paint a nice peaceful world” Jumps through the painting, cut to the little painter running and screaming from a werewolf

Dark souls UPGRADE Bloodborne FUCK GO BACK Dark souls 3 How dark souls 3 was developed

This land is peaceful. Its inhabitants kind.

Copied comment much?

@@gims6513 "boo hoo someone copied someone else's comment on the internet" grow up

@@leonardo9259 "boo hoo someone responded to someone else's comment on the internet" grow up

@@milofitness7726 boohoo my pancakes are ruined

@@c-men1939 boohoo my headphone cable is all tangled up

So the Old Blood is a reference to the blood that Gael had been consuming. The first blood to turn a human feral. Which is why it is feared because it takes away your humanity A Yharnamite may have gotten their hands on the same blood and took it with them to Yharnam in an attempt to save himself or another from death by way of a blood transfusion But of course, this blood was anything but helpful... Only Miyazaki knows

@@DrDolan2000 So old blood = blood of the dark soul and Pale blood = blood free of the taint of the dark soul?

@@kris3937 Sounds about right

I feel ya there, been watching videos like these nonstop 😂

Same.

It just may 😬

Oh,the curse ring...

How's it coming along

*BOSS MUSIC AS YOU WALK INTO THE PARK*

You should probably stay away from that park from now on.

Onision is a Demons Souls bossfight.

*hol up*

Oh, you mean Mike "The Old One" Dickens? Yeah... He usually just falls asleep after you sing "Paradise City" to him.

H.P Lovecraft mentality. He’d be proud if he played the games.

@@Sqoun probably not considering most of his stories were analogy’s for his racist beliefs. He wouldn’t be cool with anyone but white people continuing his work, no matter how good it was. For some background, Love craft was a deeply mentally ill man, among other things he believed that black people were monsters wearing skin suits. He wasn’t your run of the mill racist, he was legitimately insane.

@@dirpyturtle69 he was an incredibly messed up and deranged weirdo but most of his work certainly wasn’t dedicated TO racism, he had separate disgusting writings about that stuff, but a lot of his cosmic horror was genuinely just shit he created out of his own insanity, also, regardless of how he was as a person, we can certainly appreciate work that has been inspired by him, just a shame he probably wouldn’t have himself

@@oelaty9116 I didn’t say it was dedicated to those beliefs, but rather that some of them were analogies. IMO his work is still completely readable by today’s standards because it’s barely noticeable even if you know what he meant with certain creatures and story’s. I’m not saying we shouldn’t read his books or anything, love craft is one of the few people in history that get a pass for being scumbags because it genuinely wasn’t his fault that he was like that. The only thing I meant by my comment was that he wouldn’t appreciate from soft being inspired by his works because they arnt a group of white guys.

@@dirpyturtle69 I will not disapprove all of his work just because he was a racist cunt. Yes, we know that he was racist. But that doesn't change the fact that his work was phenomenal when it comes to horror, gore & goth stuff! If we go back by everyone inner demons we wouldn't find a single human to fully admire.

That boy's name? Was barack obama.

- Michael Zacky

Plenty of samurai-like items in Dark Souls mentioned an eastern land but I don’t think it’s ever named Look into it

Sekiro is gonna link Tenchu and Soulsborne together.

I really wanna see how Sekiro will do the Moonlight Weebsword!

Lord Axcelus have you ever seen the cutscene of manus grabbing you? it seems more likely that he’s referring to the dark arm of the actual game he’s in, rather than the one in a game 3 years later

Yeah, as Snickers said, it's much more likely that he's referring to Manus, because he does the exactly the same thing to you and takes you to the same place as Chester.

while these good points notice that he says a strange land. if it was manus I feel like the land would still be somewhat familiar yet he refers to it has a strange land. he does this because he is used to seeing gothic architecture. also his cloaths and choice and weaponry are very unusual for the time.

Holy shit youre right

The old hunters DLC does not take place in the past. It takes place in the Hunter's nightmare, this sort of.. dream realm.. We see multiple of those. In fact, all the Great ones in Bloodborne, live in some sort of dream, exept for Amygdalas. Mergo's wet Nurse and the brain if Mensis live in the Nightmare of Mensis, Kos and her Orphan live in the Hunter's nightmare, the Amygdala you can fight is in the Nightmare's frontier and Moon presence is in the Hunter's dream. (Not to forget Rom, Ebrietas and Celestial emissary are only kin.

FS just made a bald dude and went, "i like this one. Let's keep using him. Idk maybe a mascot?"

Bloodborne aka the latest in the timeline has Patches in his true form. Patches the spider. Kinda makes sense seeing as you only see him in the nightmare.

Does the appereance of a dude named Cid who loves airships on every final fantasy game connects them all?

@@JR-vt7rb Yes

Maybe that's why he's called Patches. Because he patches the Soulsborne games together by being in all of them 😉

Maybe it’s because paint is a liquid?

@@rampage75_25 he means Aldritch, the Devourer of Gods in ds3

This makes even more sense considering that the Hunter's Nightmare is essentially on a higher plane than Yharnam (you can see the spires of the city through the water in parts of the Fishing Hamlet), meaning that the entire "real" world of Bloodborne is technically underwater.

@@rampage75_25 he's referring to the character Aldrich in the Dark Souls games, who was able to have visions whilst sleeping, and gain things from them even, for instance the lifehunt ability that he gained from dreaming of Crossbreed Priscilla, who had the ability naturally. He gained this power despite not consuming her and only seeing her in his dream vision

​@@rampage75_25 you thought you were real smart eh

VaatiVidya Thanks for the video

love you

VaatiVidya i appreciate you to famski

love you vaati

VaatiVidya ahhhh that's so nice vaati we appreciate you too keep up the great work

Ya, plus the evidence he uses is actually pretty damming

@@ix7958 People actually keep finding even more evidence, making it worse for his clear intentions lol

@Isaac Allcott that's what I want to know. I'm not a lore scholar so it makes logical sense to me

I also wanna know what he found that made him question the idea of a shared timeline.

The age of dragons could be a point, I guess there`s a reason he left it out completely. And iirc, the age of fire brought mortality and dispelled the dark, not the fog. But that`s just my guess ;-)

He took me 27 tries

He could make me pay for the air I’m currently breathing D:

Dude really should go into marketing.

Why not? You can vaccuum all the sand in the dessert. It'd be a way of having fun, you know?

How else are you going to clean your sand?

Grinding for exp irl. ;D

When I first heard of azathoth it blew my mind. What if it’s not just fiction? Lol

@@josepartida1711 that dude needs to play some sick ass tune all the time to keep the bitch asleep.

El Mejor “sick ass tune” lmao

so it's just like the The Elder Scrolls universe, with some people discovering that secret.... completely vanishing

I see where the inspiration for bloodborne's theme comes from

Elden Ring imo feels like it takes place outside of time in general for some reason, it's a big island in the middle of nowhere with vague timelines. It would be interesting to see where it might fit, if it does Sekiro being in a feudal ish Japan, would be in between DS3 and Bloodborne if an eventual Feudal and Victorian age is ever achieved, since Dark Souls has thousands of years pass and still stuck in the medieval Europe era

The urd tree is the new firelink, maybe the ashen one of DS3 made the new world we play in. (A world where people recognize forces greater than that of the gods)

@@oghaze9318 and a world where giants still have their faces xd

see, souls are used by maidens to strengthen hollows... Runes are used by maidens to strengthen Tarnished... perhaps it's a retelling of the same story from a different point of view?

imean Melina refers to us as a traveller beyond the "fog" so im guessing when the lords tried to dispell the fog created by the old one, they didn't actually manage to get all of it out. or maybe the timeline of ER is much closer to demon's souls as it is in dark souls.

the dragon’s aren’t very damning because assuming the dark soul’s universe starts with ds1 the dragon’s come out of nowhere anyway and with the huge timescales the events of these games take place over it’s completely conceivable that the eternal dragon’s somehow evolved and dominated the planet between demon souls and dark souls similar to the scale things have take place over after mass extinction events in our own world

@@felentelechy I wouldn't say the Dragons came out of no where. That would be a more accurate description of Nito, Izaleth, Gwyn and The Pygmy. The Dragons were around for centuries, millenia or even whole eons before man, god or beast roamed the land. Where the dragons came from isn't the point I was making though; just that you can not begin to try connecting the timelines involving Dark Souls without the dragons being included. They were and are too intwined in major events.

what if the dragons are demons

@@matius7260 That raises the question as to what demons are then, since they share little to no attributes with the dragons; chiefly the stone scales.

@@MartyrPandaGaming no the question is what is a dragon then

Same 🤣🤣

Wait... thats "Joincidence" with a "C"!

So Soulsborne and Armored Core share same timeline because Patches was in Armored Core for Answer as well, along with Ornstein and Old King...

@@fyanmuhamad4441 where

@@fyanmuhamad4441 well I mean armored core has magic so its...not *too* big of a stretch.

Where's patches in sekiro hm

What connection are u talking about? O:

@@SADYT-be5qe Connective tissue is not the same as a connection. I'm not saying they are actually all related

No it doesn't.

I can see that working. In Elden Ring, the setting is literally called The Lands Between. Why? The Lands Between could be a continent between other continents with societies and cultures either identical or the actual settings Sekiro, Demons Souls, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne. It can also mean a world that is between other worlds of the forementioned games in a nexus web of sorts.

@OPREggroll absolutely yeah

@@jerrywinant5081 Hence Robert, an armored big lad. In Sekiro timeline the western traditions of Giantdads dunking everyone are still present.

@@ncrranger6327 The legend never dies

Not only that, but the Drakebloods believed that dragon blood was the key to immortality. In Sekiro, dragon blood grants immortality. The plot thickens

Taint

I don't agree. In Sekiro the West is more probably China, hence why the fountainhead Dragon is so obviously Chinese in appearance... I think that in Japan at that time they would have called the European Dragons as Dragons that come from the East, since Europe is East from Japan so...

This is actually very good

Very good!

I think that's too huge of a leap and would need a lot more evidence before assuming

Once the soul art disappear, humanity would have nothing as the sorceries and miracles were based off the old one. Thus, humanity would be striving to survive and, as someone once said, "...Invention is born of necessity..." The technology of humanity would grow to the point of bloodborne (eventually) and the Blood arts would come with it. Reason for this, there was already proof of mystical arts with miracles and sorceries, yes they are gone, but what if they could recreate something similar? From what i saw it doesnt have too much of an impact on your character, and they are hard to find (relatively). This makes sense as humans cannot perfectly create something once devised with a being that breaks the limits of comprehension in mind. Any thing they create would be inferior and come with a price.

Bloodborne occurring would have a logical progression of time and human invention involved

Yeah, trees happen to exist dude

@@daboy8107the erd tree is on lothric chest piece and demon souls - elden ring are all about one family line of royals, allant, gwyn, lothric, godrick, are all a very clear and distinctly written family tree… People always say bloodborne is in the painted world even though it was painted in the subsequent game inside of a painted world dlc which was a sequel to a painted world dlc…. haven’t even beaten every bloodborne boss so maybe cainhurst castle is the same kind of thing because the guy on the frosty roof top has the same move set and weapon you fight in both the painted worlds… it’s not trees it’s open fields of jack and the beanstalk sized trees that appear in every game… only reason elden ring wasn’t called Demon Souls VI is because of sony… it’s the same writer being pushed to write the same series over and over again of the same plot why on earth would they be separate worlds in the writers head that’s the dumbest thing anyones ever thought… also just throwing this out there a big core of the demon souls mythos is that sorceries and blessings used to be commonplace and studied by many and not so much nowadays and in elden ring the aesthetic design is based on even older historical fantasy settings and has ELDEN in the name and is largely about the beginning of the studying of blessings and sorceries…. plus they’re all the same game on the same engine some people just want to have no imagination i swear, this was all very clear the second any bloodborne fan played dark souls 3 in 2016

I think if we use Occam's Razor, Miyazaki just has some tropes he really likes and reuses. He's basically been making variations on the same game for 20 years, and he tells almost the same story every time. He loves Lord of the Rings, and its dying/fading world, with the story taking part long after the golden age of the world. Its highly unlikely that he has some deep, secret master plan linking all of these plots on purpose (or at least didn't, but perhaps has seen the fan theories and decided he enjoys them).

Me too

Same

Why dont any of you lazy fucks do it

Same

@@gustavoalverez6934 because we're all lazy fucks

must've got pretty bored waiting for Uncle Gael to come back

I mean... she wasn't exactly all there... more sane than her keepers, certainly, but fully sane...? And anywhere madness is, the old ones can seep their way in...

I think we can safely say the great ones already existed before the painting and they decided to come in the new world.

Maybe the old ones are painting errors. And the people in the painting can’t understand them

@@captaingreyeye7461 that’s cool

Or add Sekiro to the mix and make this theory even more bonkers.

@@emmanuelinfantegonzalez4316 Why not both?

I think if he added Sekiro that would be all the better

No, he should make a sequel in the next year when elden ring is maybe out and add in sekiro and ER to make it bonkerser. The ‘Elden Ring’ is simply universal law so if its messed up, boom. Explaination for the ages!

@@andrewpresley8676 Mexican taco music *intensifies*

I think it's more of an inevitability situation. Like entropy. When Souls are consumed, they're lost. Even if you choose the Good ending, the Old One will probably eventually wake up again and consume more Souls. The world will eventually fade.

Here's a fun fact. In DS3 (According to item descriptions) Aldritch has a dream about "an age of great seas" or something akin to that. A lot of these Cthulhu type beings have a strong connection to the seas. Is it possible that Aldritch was possibly dreaming about the Great Ones and the Bloodborne universe?

@@dragonlord1935 He softened into sludge due to consuming the flesh of man, specifically children. He consumed Gwendolin and gained his powers. It's possible that by eating so much of the Lord Souls and making them his own, Aldrich formed a connection with the Old One.

JakubPlatypus me too man. someone could be like “according to the item description of the clerics sacred flame, priscilla and midir have hot sex all the time forever and it’s super smutty and hot hell yeah. this is confirmed by the cut content i found while data mining that says “Keep going midir i love the way you’re consumed by the dark.” this proves the relationship between them” and id be like holy shit how could i have been so blind

I just took that as they cut and pasted some of the assets in making those.

Vigilance ixxi loved that comment haha

That sentence was pure genius

For me personally, it was a greater struggle that Blighttown...

Galaxian Dragon yeah I feel you but getting messed up around in THIS place is haunting not "trolly" like it was in Blighttown

Never played Demons Souls but if it's anything like blighttown or the bit with the silver knights and their greatbows, i kinda understand butn ot fully

Elijah Clarke don’t confuse gameplay mechanics with actual lore

@@dimez3702 bro. In this game gameplay mechanics IS the lore.

Dude it's been established already, that blood and souls are connected with the last dlc..

The ringed city confirms this, yeah

@@dimez3702 In Soulsborne games, game mechanics are the lore. Anything they put in the game has a lore reason for being there.

This is awesome

That's some next level thinking there

Deepest lore

when you can't understand the story so you create one instead

You know what would be great? If in someway suggested by the next games the Bloodborne protagonist hunter turned larval great one after years and years in a future when he is old he is throw back eons in time far before Bloodborne and Dark Souls III becoming Demon's Souls Old One, they even have the same larval format.

OH NOOOOOO!!

If you’re trying to avoid contamination, spraying blood everywhere isn’t the best option. Tactics change based on your enemy

@@CultofThings The majority of a Hunter's weapons are serrated though, designed to tear flesh and draw as much blood as possible from a single strike.

@@CultofThings weapons that draw and spray blood everywhere tend to be the most effective against beasts though...

FleshNFaith tactics change based on your enemy. Early on you might try to avoid infection but after a time that changes as you’re just trying to get through the night.

Glad to see people are still watching this video

Patches is also in Armored Core, but you'll be hard pressed to find proper connections to that.

@@EXplodingLEmon1 No. Pathches is a GIANT ENEMY SPIDER *starts beatboxing pokemon battle theme*

@@Yenz30415 Patches is the connection.

Patches is in all the games if I'm correct. Wish he was just chilling in a cave somewhere in sekiro.

This comment is under rated and ye

jadams2113 I was actually very interested in that aspect I’d watch it

that would be beautiful

Elden Ring.

That or hollow knight

It seems airtight because he knows that it isn't, which in turn affected the presentation of it. There are several points where the link is just "thing X is *kinda* like thing Y, so they must be the same thing," which even in the context SoulsBorne lore sources (i.e.- cryptic dialogue and fragmentary item descriptions) is a very weak argument. Then there's the structure of the argument. The case presented for a continuity between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls is solid- and plausible- which primes us to be more accepting of the weaker proposition connecting Bloodborne to Dark Souls.

Ford Mulligan Agreed. It makes just as much sense that there are infinite possibilities, and each of the three parts are side by side, with time being so distorted by the transgressions of various people in each universe that past events cross future times.

There's no direct evidence linking the painting in DS3 to Bloodborne. The only evidence I have seen of the painting's purpose is the in game dialog that the new world "will be dark". While Bloodborne can be considered dark, there are infinite possibilities that the newly painted world can take. I think people WANT to have a connection beyond "infinite possibilities", because having a nice little bow of a storyline is more orderly and fun than just having loose connections. Also... the datamined files AREN'T in the games, and were taken out. Original intent does not equal current result.

The Painter in Dark Souls 3 wants to paint a new painting (weird sentence). To do that she needs to see flame, not a normal flame, but rather the First Flame of sorts, that's why Ashen One is needed there, to kindle it. Besides fire, she need something to paint that new world with. Gael, whom she calls uncle, went on a search for the Dark Soul, because she needs "pigment colored like the dark soul of man". He found the pygmies who inherited the Dark Soul from the Furtive Pygmy. He tried to take their blood as pigment for the Painter. That hints to the fact that blood is a medium for souls.

"Present a theory by cherry picking the facts that support it" "*seems* airtight"

How I met your mother?

I mean... the "official" story of the birth of the flame, how time and humanity didn't exist before the flame, etc simply seem untrue if you take the trilogy's lore as a whole. So treating the Way of White's creation myth as true is a dishonest way to tell the story.

There is a heavy dose of European mythology in there too, from ancient Greece to Arthurian legend. Bloodborne obviously goes away from that in favor of a more cosmic horror/werewolf in london Victorian vibe, which is just great.

@@charliericker274 Lovecraft also have some taints of European /Mediterranean folklore, so that.

Honestly that probably IS how they start any given new game, and then the lore and everything gets built on top of it as it's all being made

@@toobig7150 The Elder Gods (Not the Elder Things, The Old Ones, or The Outer Gods) are Lovecraft's "Human pantheon" who are meant to be our "keepers" or "babysitters". You can learn more about them in The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath. They are basically supposed to be amalgamations of all the old pagan gods humans worshiped after the fall of the Old Ones led to their religions becoming far less common among primitive humanity.

​@@StarboyXL9 I have read all of lovecraft books, and as far as i remember that book (kadath and by rule also the silver key) are more about the whole lovecraft universe, yes, we get to know what the fuck the elder gods are, who the fight with and the like, but thats literally a background plot. Theres also the hint that human minds (dreams) of enough power can create a god himself (just like the protagonist kinds turns into at the end, when he gets both the silver key and the book/paper thing) The point of those gods, its that they do not care about us as a loving god, they care about us because, without us, they can not exist, or at least have a world with worshippers who give them power. Its like that saying of "if god exist, he dosnt care about ants like us"

That would be interesting but I would rather have an apocalyptic wasteland to explore rather than go here and explore this dungeon.

When I tell you that I felt this lol I just want to see what the world was like before it all went to crap

rowan knox langford that would be cool but i *think* , if i remember right, that blighttown was always blighttown, always a diseased shantytown inhabited by monstrosities so wretched that they were banished from the depths aka the sewer sistem inhabited by the creatures so disgusting that they were banished from lower undead burg aka the seedy suburb of the undead burg, home of petty thieves and cutthroats and wild diseased dogs. Basically my point is that blighttown isn't just the worst, but the worst of the worst of the worst. Though maybe i'm remembering wrong and blighttown was once not a fucking cancer mass someone drunkenly vomited on while being recorded at 10 fps most.

Yes!!

Ethan Orozco basically Fallout more than Skyrim lol

Franchiseboy83 It's not proving or disproving, it's simply gathering item descriptions that support, or contradict it. Nothing is confirmed by support, nothing is denied by contradiction.

Then a video contradicting it?

I believe this theory 100%. Not because it's completely solid, but because there's no reason not to believe it. It's a fictional universe. Also, while there's no explicit evidence for or against this theory, there are references and connections between the games, but nothing that can "disprove" the theory. Sure, there are holes in the timeline, things we don't know, but that doesn't disprove anything.

Ben Thede Of course there are connections, the newer games draw inspiration from the previous. That doesn't mean they're connected though. Through that logic, you could say the games are sequels to lovecrafts writings.

Either way though, it's an interesting view.

The thing is, there are too many references to blood and deep water in Dark Souls 3...

lowlize +dark souls does seem to keep the series on some chronological development of technology and the like. I could visualize the whole series spanning a millenia or more.

Ken Shurry You could be right,but Dark Souls poked at us tok many times with Bloodborne links.If you were right then Dark Souls also eventually leaded to Bloodborne.There are too many Blood worshiping things and concepts in DS series.

this idea of separation is what iv preferred to believe, that each choice has a different outcome, but does preserving magic for the dark souls universe make them unable to comprehend the power of blood? i don't think so, since the content of dark souls 2 and 3 shows the use of it. but what of bloodborne beside the residual echos of demon souls? and what vaati said about the armor in bloodborne, it could just as simply be from demon souls so that point can be interpreted differently. and can we assume that the eldrich form of the ending of bloodborne be the utmost evolutionary goal of life? since to survive they must keep evolving. if it is where does that leave dark souls? it could be they failed, it could be the concept of aldrich ascension was lost to them due to the old ones death. it could be more support for the theory that bloodborne share the same timeline so that everything ends with ascension like the universe intended but who knows. hoo nose.

Well don't forget, in all 5 of these games, Time itself is coming undone, and you can see past, present, and future, as well as potentially alternate timelines reflected in hazy illusions all around you. It's entirely possible that, especially with an increased presence of the great ones in BB, who seem to take the laws of time, space, and general causality as more suggestions than anything else, the borders between these two possibilities could blur. Given that the world of DS3 seems to have a far more solid grasp on the idea of the cyclical nature of the first flame and the nature of souls, they could be coming closer and closer to seeing through the constrictions of time and have hints, legends, and lore relating to worlds or timelines outside of their own. I'm curious about the nature of the dreams in BB vs. the painted worlds in DS. It's possible that they are one and the same, or at least similar in nature. It seems as though the Great Ones in BB are simply powerful enough to create the dreams that you visit throughout the game, but perhaps the painted worlds are sort of an improvised man-made method of accomplishing a similar task. I am not enough of a lore buff to know all the details, but it seems as though the painted worlds of DS are somewhat independent of their source; I.E. if the actual canvas they were painted on in the previous world was destroyed, the painted world would continue to exist, though it would begin to crumble over time. This could mean that, rather than BB being a painted world in DS, it would be the other way around. The Good ending of Demon Souls comes to pass, but as humanity gains insight into the nature of blood and souls and all that, they created a dream, just like the Great ones can create, and this dream was the world of Dark Souls, depicting a potential history where the evil ending of DeS came to pass. Because this painting will begin to decay over time, the cycle of the First Flame begins, and the dream is revitalized over and over, with humanity escaping into painted world after painted world, with only vague recollections of the one they left behind following each time. Remember, in DS2, Straid hails from a once-mighty civilization that is so far in the past that it rose and fell and is entirely forgotten at this point, and who knows how many other civilizations have risen and fallen in the interim? Perhaps Bloodborne is happening in actual reality, while Dark Souls is dreams within dreams within dreams. By the time DS3 occurs, after having spent so long in this cycle, they have come closer and closer to understanding the nature of the dreams they are in, catching glimpses of the world that spawned them millennia ago. It could even be that the very fact that humans created such painted worlds (something that only great ones should be able to do) is what causes so many Great Ones to be interested in humanity as of Bloodborne: After Demon Souls, humanity caught a glimpse of the Great Ones' immense power and dabbled in it to create a new world within a dream, thus attracting more and more great ones to come and meddle in humanity's affairs, which only serves to further blur the borders between dream and reality. holy crap, that spun off into an insane spitball theory that was forming in my head as I wrote it. I have no idea how tenable any of that is, but it was fun as hell to think about. My favorite part about the lore of these games is that there's so many interpretations, and any one of them could be just as possible as any other. It's like legos: you get a load of little pieces and you can configure them into whatever shape makes the most sense to you, then you and your friends can show each other all the cool little things you made and compare them to one another.

DeformedBeauty I like this

A nice mention, but he's more beast like because he's sort of at his wits end, not because he's been taking in blood. Plus, Gael is taking the blood of those who are no different from them aside from the fact that they have the dark soul. In Bloodborne, people become beasts because they had a transfusion with the blood of a supernatural being, believing it to be a miracle cure (which it was until you turned into a beast). You can classify Gael as a beastly human (meaning his actions are more monstrous but he's still human and has his reasons for doing them). Someone to compare him to is Father Gascoigne who actually becomes a beast in the middle of your boss fight with him and he just wants to tear you up.

Vilebloods arent beast. There is more than one strain of blood curse or you can seek eyes.

I'm pretty sure the dark souls have an affect on Gael. He is becoming more powerful due to the souls he's consumed. All of the messages he leaves you around dreg heap, boss fight vs. Queen Elsa and Chair sama, he's a normal looking human/hollow. Time skip and you find him at world's end, after consuming who knows how many souls, and consuming the dark soul.

What if because of him taking so many souls, and the Dark Soul, when he is killed the curse is reborn because of him? Instead of an Old One making the curse, it was instead hubris, and all the gods have to do is sit back and watch. Those with the Old One's blessing also seem alien, not animalistic, which might even show the severance between the two.

Godzillaborg in the description he says that he missed it

Couldn't that imply that the entire Souls series cycle starts all over again, seeing as the Old one from Demon's Souls comes "from the ocean"? Bit of a stretch, though; since there's the entirety of Bloodborne and Sekiro (if Sekiro is canon at all) to consider between Aldrich's vision and the "renewed" Demon's Souls theorized timeline.

Depends on how you wanna look at it. Do to past statements from the director and legal reasons Bloodborne is more likely part of the Souls continuity than Demon’s Souls ever could be. Of course Blade Runner can’t be part of the Alien universe for similar reasons but Ridley Scott has tied them together unofficially.

Thanks Zen sometimes I forget I should read the descriptions

@@thedudewiththeMG40 If you want to go down that cyclical route, you can also argue that the point of the cycle is to birth new eldritch gods.

Yeah! wait, you mind explaining that last one buddy?

T H I C C sheev yeah that's pretty much all the theroy's got going

Do you have some examples? I can think of a couple off the top of my head, but I'd like to know what other people think.

CommonSense If the Old One destroyed the world by shrouding it in fog, where the hell did the dragons come from

maybe they were born by the fog. After all, we know the dragons shouldn't possess souls and were eternal, it's plausible that they just formed out of nowhere, like life usually does.

TrolledWolf they had to have been birthed from somewhere, life didn't just "appear." That's like saying humans just appeared out of thin air, when even the game explains what happened there xD

Simte (the rekindled edition)

It will be the Dark Souls of RU-vid videos.

Simte II

Where is bloodborne prepare to cry Maria and Ludwig :(

I always put the mod "you died like a bitch"

Fernando Pires I don't. Just the origin of the dark sign is questionable, as I believe his own history video states that Gwyn created it. ;)

Well, there is no reason not to believe it no matter how much lore channels like to ridicule the theory.

ɴᴀᴛsᴜᴋɪ Yes there is. Just because you want a connection doesn't mean it exists. And I've seen your comments, and despite what you say there is tangible proof there is no connection.

Well I'm asking for that proof so telling me "yes there is proof" isn't exactly sufficient as a reply.

ɴᴀᴛsᴜᴋɪ "What we we want to clear up is this is actually not a sequel to Demon's Souls - we're treating this as a brand new game created by the same director and producer," Miyazaki-san told CVG in an interview. "Again it is created by the same director and producer, so the base concept and themes are very similar. However, the story itself as well as a lot of the game features have been recreated so that we can present this as a brand new title." - Discussing Dark souls

Throw From Software's "Another Century's Episode" series in and then he has to make Gundam fit into Souls lore.

Don't forget 3D Dot Game Heroes.

Something something moonlight sword something something nothing connects to tenchu

Yes! I need to see him do all of this!

Armored Core's world kind of shares the atmosphere of Demon's Souls.

Jake Rawlings scary

This is the lore of Elder Scrolls as well. The entire game world is actually a dream of a God.

Jake Rawlings which story is that one?

Zombie Lord & Savior The one titled Azathoth

From what I understand it isn't just the dream of a god, its the dream of the creator of the lore. The other interpretation I have seen is that the god is us, as the person playing the game, but not the player character

Duuuuuuuuuude

The lore, whether they actually used it in the game or not, is superior to the "canon".

Seek the paleblood. Is all I think when I see that painting then I picture the moon presence coming down towards you.

if bloodborne was supposed to give a true end to soulsborne, why are all the bloodborne endings very open? Yharnam Sunrise: The main character survives, no one knows what happened to Yharnam or the rest of the world Honouring Wishes: The main character becomes Gherman, implying that the hunt will happen again and again forever Childhood Beginnings: wtf is even going on? Did the main character become a great one/moon presence itself? still implying that it is all a loop Although Yharnam sunrise could be an end, its still a stretch. It all seems like it could become a sequel/spinoff later on if fromsoft feels like doing so

@@deg1studios the whole souls borne universe ended dont care about being solid. What makes this series so great is that it's always a cliff hanger. Its left to us to piece it together. The game isnt really about us the character, it's more about the world we live and fight in. It's more about everything going on around us.

Toadilly how would patches survive demon's souls?

He's unbreakable

Patches is the old one confirmed.

Virdi Purbakala - That's actually fun to think about lol.

It's like the Darth Jar Jar theory. Doesn't necessarily stand to light, but jesus would it be cool if it were true

So the dlc area is a nightmare. It would make sense since most of the mechanics are similar. If you imagine killing Manus and getting the nightmare slain text it would make sense.

The shadowy hand is the hand of Manus, the same hand that drags you to the past when you go near the distortion after killing the golem after getting the pendant. Also I believe Chester said he was from Carim, the same place Lautrec is from. Carim isn't present in Bloodborne's world so it would be a big stretch for him to be from bloodborne

The reason they look the same is because there was cut/unused content from dark souls which had the style of bloodborne and the devs clearly liked it to so spun it into a game of its own

I agree, Blade. Unfortunately, it's legal matters that cause this disconnect. Dark Souls can't be officially tied to Demon's Souls or Bloodborne as Sony hold the rights to those games and won't allow it to happen. I believe Miyazaki had these ideas in his head when he originally made DeS and moved on to make DaS but sadly we'll never get to see the full extent of that vision :(

Blade Roberson I think an often undermined sentiment could be that after the Old One cursed the world, a long period of time passed and with it, so did the Old One and going through a process I would relate to that of the giants of Dark Souls II, wherein as they reach their oldest age, they plant themselves into the ground and become trees. I think the Old One became an archtree and from him, many more grew, creating a split into different worlds. (ie, the world of our character, Solaire, and so on)

Did he mention this in a letter or what?

Martijn ten Veldhuis Solaire = Nameless King Confirmed!

Solaire Sol aire Sole Heir

Dhany Arrozie are you the new vaati?

Or possibly Sol Heir, or heir of the Sun/the Sun's power, aka Gwyn or one of his progeny.

Me too. He referenced his thoughts against it, but never revealed that. I have some myself, but I have a counter for every counter.

Are you both Starcraft and Souls fan? :o

Add Metal Gear Series and it's all me

Guys it's not a proper theory, Calm yourselves.

Yeah and it’s not true

@Bob Loblaw Oh my gosh enough of this BS

I literally have the article that inspires this publicly in the first 3 lines of the description, and write "Source: article" in the video itself whenever i'm pulling directly from a point it makes. The rest is overlap I decided to include myself. You see only what you want to see.

great thing about the souls games is they're as liquid as the souls within, the story allows for bending, i like to believe the games share connections in a different order, bloodborne being first, a newly born great one growing into the last known great one (old one) with dark souls being the after math later, i'm sure this isnt the case, but i like that idea, and with "time being convoluted" in the majority of the world in these games its sorta possible for an event to overlap several others if your willing to argue hard enough. when it comes down to it i'm pretty sure the only actual connections are a combo of 1-coincidence, 2-intended refrences and nods to other games, 3-from software printed on the box

what game are you getting into the series with?

@@yhavinmiles ds3