This is one of the best musical parts of the movie imo because this is when Joaquin’s Joker really felt like comic book Joker and gave me Mark Hamill’s Joker vibes because him killing people while singing is exactly what his Joker would’ve done.
I like to imagine the last scene was in his head and that he’s still alive. If they made a Joker 3 and turns out he’s still alive I’d like to see a 3 Jokers adaption with the inmate at the end.
The cinematography in this movie was great, shame it couldn’t have same quality as the story and genre Edited: Why the fuck is there a war going on less than 24hrs
I honestly love this scene, it's like the only scene where Arthur feels like the real Joker from the comics. I've always loved this version design, from the face paint to the red and yellow suit, and I feel this scene makes a pretty strong argument of how good of a Joker design these movies have.
No puedo expresar lo mucho que me encanta esta escena, el sentimiento y las actuaciones son increíbles, sumandole el significado de esta cancion que me parece espectacular, simplemente 10/10
This is the best scene in the movie for me. I neither love or hate the film because the ending has me in two minds. But this is exactly how I wanted the musical aspect to be, where the songs are combined with unhinged hallucinations, violence, and theatricality. It's a great way to showcase Joker's twisted mind, instead of singing just for the sake of singing. Most other musical numbers didn't really work for me but this one nailed it
@@Maxime_G I mean this song is Arthur convincing himself that he's the joker which is what makes him want to take control of his own case and become his own lawyer. This is literally the only song in the film that actually moves the plot forward in anyway and gives us insight we could've have otherwise gotten.
“Folie à Deux”: A title rich with meaning, suggesting a shared madness between two. It captures Harley’s delusion entwined with his, but it also reveals our own fantasy as the audience. When Arthur turns away from the Joker's legacy, he fractures the dream we all shared. No longer the fearless rebel, he stands revealed as a man, stripped of the myth we once adored. Folie à Deux-a collective daydream woven between Harley and you, the audience. Did you ever truly care for Arthur? Or was it the intoxicating allure of the “Joker” that drew you in? You reveled in the fantasy of rebellion, not in the man carrying its weight. Here lies the brilliance: as the audience turns its back on the film, the art finds its purpose. Folie à Deux becomes a haunting echo of our reality. In the beginning, we see Arthur fleeing the shadow of the Joker, yet by the end, his followers chase after him, pleading, “Wait, don’t go, we still love you.” They cling to the fantasy, blind to his humanity. Harley, too, rejects him, unable to reconcile the jester with the man beneath. And in a cruel twist, his most devoted follower-disillusioned-turns the knife, betrayal born from a dream shattered. Do you not grasp the truth? None of you are ready to ignite chaos or challenge the system. The Joker is your shared fantasy, a reflection of your own desires. You cheered for the rebellion, but when the curtain is pulled back, revealing the fragile man beneath, the fantasy disintegrates, and you, like Harley, turn away. Box office numbers may label it a failure, but as a work of art, it transcends the understanding of the masses-complex, haunting, a masterpiece that compels us to confront not only the myth of the Joker but the unsettling truth of our own complicity in the fantasy. I can't necessarily argue with anyone who has a problem with this movie, because in a sense they are right. It doesn't carry the momentum of the first movie, but in a way that's the entire point. It's about a man who created a character to survive in the world and that character/shadow became too great of a burden for Arthur to carry. At the end Arthur discovered who he really is which is not a murdering psychopath, but a beaten man who at the end of the day just wanted love more than to be "seen or noticed". No it's not necessarily a "comfortable" movie to watch, but in my opinion an important one.
My favourite musical number of the movie. Incredible use of lights and brilliant acting by Joaquin Phoenix. Great movie, maybe not perfect, but diferent, bold and commited.
Ok, i don't care i need Joaquin to be the Joker again in that Matt Reeves movie, he feels like the ultimate Joker especially in this scene, I'm so mad 😂
Don't know how anyone can say this is one of the worst comic book movies of all time when it's this beautiful to look at and so well made and acted. Even if you hate the story, this is still extremely well made compared to something like Madame Web.
the thing is the people hating it didn't even go see it there is 50k reviews for the first movie but this movie got like 5k reviews its obv that its a hate campaign from the biggening
Can you imagine if joker hijacked the court room and actually performed with her as a gag, while killing all these folks in real time and not a dream sequence. Would have been so peak. Still love this film though.
Genuinely I actually liked this movie and this scene is one of the biggest reasons. The movie feels a lot like a stage musical a lot of the time and I think this especially captures the actual vibe of the Joker as a character
People are brainless, they think they're smart by being non-comformist and by taking something out of context. I mean, good for them if they've liked the movie, but listening to them it's wonderful 🙄
Its been happening a lot lately and its lowkey annoying. Look at Star Wars Prequels or Spiderman 3. When it was released, people HATED IT. Then somehow, they loved it. People are bipolar, i guess 😂
I think a better explanation is Arthur has a breakthrough towards getting better by accepting accountability. He openly admits to murdering not 5 but 6 people. He embraces being Arthur Fleck not the mask of a character he created. He admits that he is Joker and that he is responsible. im not sure what thats upsetting to people - hes just essentially denying the charade of being the cities martyr to blame the awakening of people to their problems and how society has abandoned them . Hes saying i did this all for me not for anyone else. He is still just as much the Joker but thats not what people wanted. Most people just went to theater expecting more or less of the same. Shame
@themadladorian4364 to address the ending it completes his character Arc and goes full circle. His life is a tragedy not a comedy. He gets murdered for being just Arthur Fleck even tho him and Joker are one and the same .
Lyrics: There's always a joker in the pack There's always a lonely clown The poor laughing fool falls on his back And everyone laughs when he's down There's always a funny man in the game But he's only funny by mistake And everyone laughs at him just the same They don't see his lonely heart break They don't care as long as there is a jester, just a fool As foolish as he can be There's always a joker, that's the rule But fate deals the hand that I see The joker is me! I don't care as long as there is a wild man in the deck As long as I see his frown Then I won't be lonely, that's a fact I stand here and wait for his sound, ha, ha, ha The joker is me the joker is me The joker is me (Included lyrics from the Lady Ga Ga version to see how it would work. I think it's fine but....who knows 😂)
I kept thinking “thank Christ, it’s finally about to happen.” Him wielding the revolver around randomly was awesome and true to the joker character. The stool, and gavel, great. And then the worst shyamalan twist😒
This scene is the closest Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck has gotten to being like Joker from the comics. He sings and dances while killing people at his own trial. It’s probably my favorite scene in the movie. Then of course shortly after this scene he basically says, “The Joker’s NOT me” 😂
Huh...no. sorry, but no. Even excepting the wrong flaws that stupids like to talk about, it's not a good movie at all. Not a good movie, not a good sequel, not a good musical, not a good Joker movie.
@@Jester_Jingles Quentin Tarantino disagrees. Dude, I've seen a ton of people say that the guy that kills Arthur at the end is a young Heath Ledger Joker. A lot of people straight up believe in total bullshit when it comes to this movie
@@whereami2477 that's your argument ? "Quentin Tarantino" ? Do you even know what he said ? If people are stupid, here it's because the movie's so bad that they try to connect it with someone better to give it some sense
if the musical parts were more like this, a sort of sadistical fantasy, they’d make for a much better element the movie. i mean the rest of the character arc would still make no sense 😂 but it’d have been much better.
3:00 gaga had always reminded me of harley back in 2015 (yes, i've also watched suicide squad & margot was aight) but i called it that gaga would make a very unsettling harley if they made one in a very different universe. haven't seen this yet & i've heard she wasn't utilized enough, but damn this captured what i thought back then!
The fact he turns out to not even be “the joker” automatically ruined both movies for me. The first movie ended ambiguously so even if you didn’t think Arthur would become the Batman villain, it didn’t confirm whether he was or wasn’t. This scene is pure joker from the comics and animated versions so that ending reveal was really stupid.
Arthur was the Joker's first host or the Joker was Arthur's shadow but left him for another host when Arthur gave up. The Joker is a demon fed by narcissism, that's why there are many Jokers, but the same demon. Joker is a mix of the shadow and the trickster in Jung's archetypes, not a real person.
@@johnmartinskyrie I really hate what they did in this sequel because Arthur is gone at the end of the first movie, there isn't any duality anymore, he said that to his mother that the Joker is his real persona, that's the reason I don't think this sequel is canon.
@@norm-bb3bb Don't forget that Arthur was a good man who had a bad day. In psychology he was an abused people pleaser. All he wanted was attention and recognition. His shadow was this narcissistic monster known as Joker that he finally embraced when the medication he took wore off. When he was arrested and put back to Arkham, they put him back on stronger meds and the shadow/Joker was put back in chains until he had with Lee another motivation to stop them again and let the Joker out. The Joker as a spirit feeds on anger and narcissism thus the lack of compassion. But near the end, Gary reminds him not only that he loved him, but that Arthur was also capable of love. The process of redemption started there, and the true love of the cellmate that the guards killed played the final role in his redemption arc. With that amount of love/light, there was no more place for the shadow. The Joker had to find another host. The Joker really is a demon, not a person. Childhood traumas are often triggers that open doors to that kind of spirit. Joker 2 in a way is a redemption story. Arthur maybe got rid of Joker out of love for Gary who was scared of that entity.
this really is the perfect joker. Just a normal guy willing to do the craziest things. If he was in a world with super heros and he was just a guy banging them over the head with a gavel it would be so dope
this theory is gonna sound rather stupid, considering th fact that the director said that arthur wasn't the real joker, but just hear me out for a second. You might remember that in the ending Arthur gets killed by someone else right? I believe that this happened in his imagination, meaning that it was like a sort of symbolism of his "Joker" personality getting rid of his human side (the human side being Arthur)
Don't listen to Todd, he's a fool , he said in the first movie that Arthur is the mask and he's the real Joker, and you're theory makes sense because that inmate looks like a hallucination from Arthur, a RU-vidr had the same theory.
Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is really awesome! For me, he would be my third favorite Joker. 1. Mark Hamill 2. Heath Ledger 3. Joaquin Phoenix 4. Jack Nicholson
@@salmonfish2197Yeah, I agree. Despite what the movie was, I still believe Joaquin is a great Joker. The real problem was Todd not letting his Joker shine. Same with Lady Gaga as Harley.
This scene just proves how much better the movie would have been had they made an actual Joker movie and not the steaming pile of feces the rest of the film sadly was
