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I've had a few semi-freestanding tents with the fly cutouts at the headend and haven't had any problems with condensation or leakage. I could maybe see there being condensation issues under very specific conditions.
I opted for the Dragonfly OSMO 2P over the hornet for the fully freestanding tent and extra stake out point on the vestibule for more space. I could not be happier with the tent. Nemo makes great stuff.
Good to know! I've not heard of many people reviewing how they do in heavy rain. I was always curious if water pooled/dripped on the side where the fly is cut super high. I worried it might drip straight down onto the tent underneath. No issues there?
would love to take you backpacking here in scotland. we have a freedom of roaming law here and it basically means nowhere is off limits. alot of land owners have a honesty box with supplies to help also.
I bought the nemo osmo dagger this spring and took it in the Minnesota boundary waters for a week in June. We had 7 inches of rain one day and I was very happy the tent kept me dry. I'm a full believer in the osmo fabric after that. It didn't sag much at all and dried out quickly after.
Hey Dan , I have the Nemo meta 2p and it’s AWSOME. It’s an older tent but very roomy but kinda heavy for today’s standard at 3.5 0 pounds. It would be great if Nemo could re- release this pole tent with their new light weight material. Thanks for your time and we love your videos.
oh, that is a key point! we currently have 22" wide accordion sleeping mats (Canadian Tire house-brand, wider than Z-lites but roughly the same thickness/comfortwise), but have been wanting to get some 25" wide inflatables as we upgrade our gear.
I love laying my junk out in my tent. I have the Veda 2p and while it's a trekking pole tent it's still got a lot of cool features. Our freestanding goto is the North Face Stormbreak 3. Not really a backpacking tent but it's worth the added durability. Been in heavy thunderstorms and stayed completely dry.
I have an original Hornet Elite 2P without any brow-pole at all. Never had a problem with headroom having a 2p for 1p camping. Taken on hundreds of miles and never had a problem with water on the headwall. One of my best purchases ever. I still carry it a lot over my super-expensive durston because I don't like using Trekking poles all that much on flat trails (I live in Florida, so that's a lot of my hikes), and I take it bike-packing. Great tent that has stood the test of time!
Hi Dan, the Nemo looks like a cool tent but i dont know how any free standing tent that doesn't pitch in one as in outer and inner together canbbe the "King of free standing tents". I get the US campers tend to prefer the inner pitch first but they just dont work so well in lets say countries like the UK where you expect rain even in the summer months. Great colab, love that you got a tech nerd lol to do the testing. Cheers from the UK, Gary
I looked at Nemo tents, but wasn't convinced by them for UK weather, In the need I compromised and bought a Wechsel Exogen 2 tent for my Bike touring trips (its 1.9kg, but weight wasn't my primary concern for touring). they do a lighter 1 person version. Very happy with the choice. Also truly freestanding.
Big agnus tiger wall ul2 platinum is my go after my X-mid pro 2. I bet soon as durston releases the X-Dome that will over take all the free and semi-free standing tents
For a freestanding or semi, whatever, it seems like the best option. Trekking poles come in handy for tarps, etc, so it's hard to decide. At that weight, I think I would go for it eventually. It helps to know it lasts that long. It seems like it would be flimsy.
I have the Rainbow Li and the Double Rainbow DW Ultra. Both are inedible tents. The Rainbow Li I have held up to 40mph winds in alpine settings. They are quite spacious for their category, and very lightweight. I couldn't be happier with them.
Its also interesting to note; the reason why Tarptents li series is so expensive is because its made of DCF, a proprietary material they have to buy at high prices, and is hard to work with. So why is a poly/nylon tent from nemo only $30 less?
I love my Nemo Hornet Elite 1p tent. It’s been great! I recently purchased my first trekking pole tent, Gossamer Gear The One. Both of these tents are quite small, but are fine for me as I am only 5’4” and 115 lbs 🏕
Nope. I prefer my Big Agnes Copper Spur UV UL2. The reason I switched to a two person tent is because of the narrow ceiling on a solo tent, which I hated. However I do like the new, less stretchy fabric on the new Nemo, but that's it
In regards to the 1p version; Totally disagree… no vent, can’t setup fly first, small vestibule, small interior, fly doesn’t cover entire tent, and too expensive. I’ve been using the Marmot Tungsten 1p original version and UL version for the past 8 years. Marmot doesn’t get a lot of attention but deserves some respect for putting out a fantastic 1p totally free standing tent. I’ve put the UL version thru hell and it performs beautifully! They’ve earned my loyalty!
Love the video. I have the original Hornet 2p and I have loved it on every single trip. However, calling it a freestanding tent could be misleading since it is considered a semi-freestanding tent. Either way great information for the new upgrades that Nemo is making.
I thought you hated rainbow zippers?! I thought the Big Agnes was your favorite?! Mind: blown. I'm so glad you're with me on the NEMO because I love it. I have the green one. I actually like the color, but I don't like that it reflects a little weird inside and make me see green in certain conditions. It's like if I'm distance running in a red or orange shirt (don't). Every now and then I think for an instant that I have an awful nose bleed, but it's just light bouncing off the shirt. Anyway, I might upgrade just for the gray color. Thanks, Dan!
Still love my 2 person Coleman free standing tent ….it weighs just shy of 3.8 pounds and the poles are less than 1 pound….the tent is 6’ by 6’ and 43 inches tall… it packs down 11” height / by 5” by 5” in a compression sack…2 adults my size fit with just enough room for our packs…it’s a 3 season, but in reality it’s just like a 4 season tent…hands down better than any of these over priced tents that are SHAMELESSLY PROMOTED here.
This new material on these Nemo tents (i was looking at the dragonfly)- I know it has the extra water repellency technology but it’s still only a very paltry 1200/1500mm waterproofing on the fly. Do you think this is sufficient in wet conditions/rainy seasons when typically the tents usually have a 3000-4000mm waterproofing (like Xmid)? Does the advertised ‘3 x repellency’ actually equate to having an extra 3000mm waterproofing? Because the tent looks amazing but this water head column seems way too low for the category and price? Thanks so much!
DAN! I had no idea that you were mentioned in the office! I was just watching and andy mentioned your name while reading a magazine XD season 7 episode 5 2:15 seconds in.
I love your videos! Thank you for taking the time to make them. Super helpful! I'm curious why we don't see the MSR FreeLite on your tent list? Have you tried it and just don't like it?
I have the Nemo Firefly…never seen anyone else with one? It’s a great tent! It’s like the new one you showed only better!? I’m not sure why they don’t sell it anymore! I’d be curious to know as like I said it better than even that new tent!? Weird.
I am genuinely curious why more backpackers do not buy the 1 or 2p version of these light weight tents in their bikepacking series. While I love my Durston - I want a freestanding 1 person tent. But diving into all the options I’m drawn to the shorter pole sections of bike packing tents. Weight is similar enough to not be the issue and I’d just toss the tent bag and use my own compression bag so it all fits in the pack, poles included. I’m just surprised we don’t see more of that in recommendations and curious as to why?
I dont backpack (yet) but i have a nemo aurora highrise 4 person tent, and i love it, its big enough to stand in and its wide enough to comfortably sleep 4 people if needed.
Cool video... So what would everyone say IS on par with this tent, but... can be used as an "everyday" 2 person... It seems like the single biggest requirement for 2PT's is that two 25" pads can fit.. However, with that being the case.. Are their any "tapered" sleeping pads that can/do compare with the best non-tapered pads on the market in 2024?.. Trying to work out my sleep system for me and my 15 y/o son. After our last few hikes with a boat anchor tent, we desperately need to shed some weight and improve comfort (tent) to be able to continue to flourish and enjoy our overnighters even more. Tips and opinions are very much welcome ???
I know I’m focused on the wrong thing here, but where was he in Texas. Gotta be NE somewhere? I primarily backpack in Texas but haven’t done east Texas. Looks like a great spot.
I specifically don't like Nemo Tents due to the rain fly at the end. I used to think that it was nit-picking too until I woke up and with so much water in the tent that I had to pack out and go home early. Everything else about the tent i enjoyed but for the price, I don't want that rain fly.
You do realize in most tents the rain fly is the only “waterproof” layer beyond the bottom of the tent (ie, the tops of tents are mesh). It doesn’t matter if it’s the fly or the tent as long as it’s waterproof and there is air circulation. I have personally used the Nemo Hornet in severe rain storms, it’s never gotten wet beyond condensation that happens in all tents from trapped moisture, temperature differences inside/outside the tent, breathing, etc.
Hey Dan! I'm a new backpacker, and I'd really value your opinion on this because I'm about to buy all new gear. (I've never bought gear before.) Do you have any suggestions on a tent to get if I'm super tall? I'm 6'5", and it'd be nice to have some space. Also, any sleeping bags for tall people?
I wonder how much of a sail that tent becomes if there is high wind hitting the scoop cut-out of the rainfly, funneling wind in between the inner and rainfly. I expect some people might say to set it up to face away from the wind. wind directions can change overnight. Especially at elevation in mountain summit areas with lots of features redirecting wind.
We were in some pretty gnarly winds in Colorado at 12,000 feet. I just faced that end towards the wind because it is the most robust side of the tent. It did fine.
@@DanBecker Are you saying you faced the scooped out side toward the wind and it did fine? That's surprising. Ive seen other reviews where it became a wind sail of sorts.
Hi Dan - questions - does the base model hornet have dual zippers or both models only have a single zipper? Secondly, why does the elite model pack differently (19 x 4 x 2 vs 12.5 x 7.5 x 3.5)?
I have a Durston 1p, and regularly backpack with friends who have Hornet 2p. The Durston 1p is probably closer in size to the Hornet 2p than the Durston 2p. If you plan to mostly use it solo the Hornet will be big enough for one with gear inside. If you plan to actually sleep 2 people regularly, the Durston 2p will be much more comfortable.
Freestanding > trekking pole tent Any time you have to set up on hard ground and deal with tent stakes there's groan factor. Both get the job done but don't underestimate the luxury factor of not having to arse around with tensioning lines.
Hey Dan, love your vids. Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one. The hornet was a disaster for me in wind. Its only use case is in trees with no chance of wind. Nemo is using sub par cordage now that snaps and the poles snap when the cordage does.
I have the original Nemo hornet elite 2p, totally amazing except on my last thru hike the fiddly velcro tabs failed and then in strong winds a corner tore along the stitching line. Anyone else had problems with the velcro or a rip?
I think this video is misleading as none of these tents are fully freestanding, and Nemo is not the king of freestanding tents. Their tents and many others with same design are semi-free standing tents. Hope you could correct this in your future videos. Tents like Hilleberg Allak and Unna are actual free standing tents and considered by many as the king og freestanding tents :) Love your other content! Greetings from Norway. Please help me like this comment so Dan can see this!
Bruh. The definition of a free standing tent is simply that it can hold its shape without being staked out. I'm not sure if you've ever slept in one of these before but they most definitely can hold their shape without being staked out. Unna tents have stake out points for the same reason these do. Just because they can stand doesn't, mean they won't blow away. Where I live, out backpacking and canoe sites are typically on a couple inches of pine needs over rock so you can't use tent stakes and the hornet is the tent I use. It's free standing through and through.
Not sure you can actually lay in these semi free standing tents with two people and have the inner touch your sleeping bag unless you stake it or are really small...
@@atzedevries9563 I've done it a few times. It's not too bad. With the hornet two person, you're touching the walls regardless if you have two people in it. Once your pads are in there, they pull the walls out pretty well the same as if it was staked out. Being staked out obviously does help but they do a good job just free standing.
Do they have a three person tent that’s good for two people? Sharing the load to carry a tent into the back country, it would be great if these companies offered options for a comfortable tent for two people and their gear. Most two person tents will not comfortably fit two people and their backpack / gear.
Look in to Tarptent brand tents. They specialize in tents that are very light to ultralight while still prioritizing livable space. The rainbow series is a semi-freestanding tent with a whole range of variations.
Nemo Dagger 3p. It is 100% freestanding and if you opt for the footprint you can pitch fly first and use it with or without the inner tent. Floor is 90" x 70".....plenty of comfort for 2 people.
You’re an engaging speaker and entertaining to watch, but I would implore you to go beyond purely gear review channel. Chronicle your trips, go over trip planning, talk about gear packing, meal prep, camp cooking, etc. you’re more than just a gear guy, show us.
I don’t get it. What’s the “major upgrade” that warrants a video in 2024? I bought that exact osmo 2p on sale last year, and the osmo elite exists for a while as well. Nothing changed as far as I can tell. What am I missing?
So the fly is Osmo but the exposed backside is not? What engineer came up with that horse 💩? I have the Hornet 1p and only got it because it was on a steep discount. I hate that it’s almost my perfect tent but the cut out backside is stupid and everyone says it so why don’t they listen to the customer? Nemo’s like, lets do another iteration but keep pissing people off and keep the nylon backside exposed. I don’t care if it works or not…the consumer doesn’t like it and you miss sales because of it. We want to batten down the hatches when it rains…You can’t always point the tent perfectly into the wind. Wind directions change.
Ya no. The freestanding king is the Hilleberg Staika, the lightweight backpacking freestanding king is the Hilleberg Rogen or Niak. Nemo tents aren't even high end they are mid tier. Above things like Colemans below things Hillebergs.
Why why why are people buying Nemo tents for $700 when they could be buying CF shelters from some of the top ultralight brands in the world? Please, someone explain this to me.