The Last Loose Ends of the Metal Virus | SonicSpeedReading 

Does anyone care?

@@mistersp3753 yes, hello, I am Sonic Lost World fan# 3 and I am personally offend at this blunder. Game Apologist, you will be hearing from my lawyers (which I cannot afford).

@@jadendafinger yes hello, I'm Zazz Fan #2, I also do care for Zazz because I have nostalgia of him from Sonic Dash.

where @-@

dang Nick, why you gotta Zizz your Nick-milk all over this video? God, it's everywhere...We're gonna need more than some tissues to fix this.

I really do wonder how is going to do in frontiers. If he did this to Zavok.

Yeah, the only thing Lost World did was giving the Zetis their own personality within certain stages whenever they talk down to Sonic. I mainly liked Zavok's lines because he always gave a threatening vibe whenever he talked without being too violent or mysterious

Flynn actually gives a crap about these characters having actual *character* and layers. Unlike Sonic Team...

@@gjtrue it’s like they have losted passion in the series.

@@chi-wind8593 yeah, I honestly think they should give the Sonic series a break and work on many other titles that they have under their belt. Or they could try a different style for Sonic instead of platforming and speed, like how about a fighting game, a mystery game for Team Chaoxic, or make billions off a CHAO GARDEN GAME. For example, they could do another Nights game, Space Channel 5, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, and so on. Each series from Sega has great potential to be a smashing hit, but sadly they don't utilize that idea

I'm actually starting to like him as a character, so fuck it, I'm down. Man can write a great zavok.

@@shadowsnake5133 He should have more Monstrous forms and transformations. As in he goes from not scary to very scary thanks to the Master Emerald.

So he’s basically an Evil Goliath.

Honestly, with the way he writes Zavok, I see the appeal.

Vegeta "bitch stole my line!"

It was kinda wholesome

Super strong villain who is actually highly intelligent, manipulative and cruel....it's a perfect fit actually!

@@matti.8465 And also questions the usefulness of the hero's morals :)

LMAO, Zavok wishes he was Bane. I don't see the red Bowser ripoff breaking Sonic's back.

The Bane of the Sonic Lost World even :]

@Alexsander Ivan Zavok never broke Rouge the Bat's back.

Exactly. The one thing Starline will never understand about that AI is that it gives Eggman's creations the autonomy to *choose to be on his side.* In some cases, it's blown up in his face to create enemies (Omega, Gemerl, Gamma, Belle). But a majority of the time, it's created allies that are willing to stick by him against Sonic (Metal, Cubot, Orbot, the Sonic X trio, Captain Whisker's crew, etc), even if they have personal goals. He doesn't quash disobedience like Starline does. Unlike him (and ironically like Sonic), Eggy's capable of rolling with the possible punches and working around them.

Yep

I can understand the frustration of seeing Sonic showing mercy to his enemies would you have to ask yourself will Sega be happy having Sonic kill anybody

Yes, it's nice to write it in as a character flaw

I doubt they’ll return soon. We do need a break from them but again the writing by Ian is superb.

They're 100% gonna come back at some point. These comics don't have a lot of variety in their villains, and bringing in the Zeti every once in a while will help keep things fresh. Not to mention, Ian seems to genuinely enjoy writing them. He should do what he wants instead of worrying about fans whining over nothing.

Aren't you the guy who uploads the sonic comics on youtube ?

@@sandudelcea6707 yes he is

@@gamingmania194 yea, he's pretty cool

Zeemen is superior imo but I see why you’d like those guys more

@@ShibuNub3305 YALL NEED TO STOP

Oh definitely thats the tails from Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 also Heroes. This aint cowardly tails from Sonic Unleashed and Forces.

Tails is my favorite character and seeing him being GOOD make me happy 😊

You do know Flynn regurgitated the cowardly Tails in Issue #29 when he cowered to the Zombots, right?

@@sonicstar917 Dude hes been through hell when that arc was going on he lost the tornado 2 and the data for a cure to the virus. Hes reached his breaking point. Sure he could rebuild the tornado 2 but that was his baby u are looking at months of rebuilding. It wont fix the damage done to him emotionally neither. He also saw Knuckles Shadow and Big all become zombots right in front of him.

@@somedudewhodraws9377 And he was becoming infected thanks to both of those Chao's as well, he had every reason to be scared and crying at that moment, cause it seems like everyone forgot that in the end, he is still a child.

Yeah like Order vs Chaos. Eggman = Order Zeti = Chaos

If we are going to compare Sonic to Dragon Ball Zavok-Dabura Zik-Babidi

That was the shorters paragraph I have ever red

@@akieboygaming lol.

I mean he ginda did bleed in the fight against neo super metal sonic

The convertion process has started

@@lalito3423 damn straight, dude my subscribe to their first onlyfans scam by a bot. Getting involved with sonic, in any capacity is no joke💀

@@theradionicrevival8068 Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died

Nani?

Nani?

Not really. Sonic doesn't embrace the "moral" on a mental level, he doesn't keep coming back to make the argument why freedom is good. He just likes the idea of a natural order, where animals are BORN to be HIS idea of "freedom", and that is, in captivity of their desire for repetition and safety. But HE thinks the same of Starline, that "bad guys" are just the responsibility of their "boss", so it's Eggman's fault that Zeti are here. Eggman inspired Starline with showing more freedom than Sonic does, even to the point of disappointing Starline for being too much of a firecracker and not even following "a plan" of his own. Zeti can control robots from second-to-second, and that shows you what real RULE is. Eggman wants to give ORDERS but he has no intention, not even the idea, of how he would impose a RULE onto the world. The Restoration works a lot like Eggman, they just wait for somebody to come along and "be considerate", Game Apologist even calls it bad world building that the Zeti "criticize". The idea that people are just "considerate" is a complete fantasy and might as well be replaced with "happy to be robots in Eggman's army". Eggman can't RULE even his own robots, or the metal virus contagion. That part of freedom is ALWAYS something Eggman won't even touch. But here's Sonic basically ORDERING Eggman to keep Starline in check, so who's for "freedom" here, and for what GOOD outcome? Freedom was EGGMAN'S wheelhouse when he LET Starline to bring in the Zeti. That's probably why Eggman finds it so funny that Sonic tries to wave around THAT card. And I mean this from deliberate, writer's stand point, that Is the motivation he clues towards why isn't Mr. Tinker. He isn't a FIXER. He isn't a destroyer. He reassembles what is ALREADY HERE, to a future of something new, completely irreverent of its status in "freedom".

@@sboinkthelegday3892 Jesus calm down, and why are you capitalizing words every now and then. All I was saying is how this mirrors Sonic from the games. That his sense of freedom has existed for over 20 years at this point, and he's said basically as much, I was just elaborating and showing another example of it with his specific chao back in Sonic Adventure 2. He doesn't fight for good, doesn't fight for bad, just freedom and the wind in his hair, all I was doing was elaborating in case people didn't get it. Sonic isn't a hero because he wants to be it's just the role he has taken. The same exact thing can be said about Shadow and Silver, if anything Silver mirrors the good nature of it while Shadow the evil. This is why they clash so much, their ideals are the same just with different alignments, they fight for the same thing. This is also why back in 06 Shadow says, even if humans betray him eventually, even if Omega one of his friends betrays him, he is still following his own code, for his own sake and while not explicitly said for Maria's, he will protect humans and fight for them even if they betray him because it fits his agenda. This is why Shadow isn't inherently a villain even back in Adventure 2, he was an antagonist sure but that doesn't necessarily mean villain or evil. Like any anti hero he sided with it because it fit his agenda, his promise to Maria even if he got it twisted at 1st. This was the whole point to his game, and despite so many people disliking it why I think it is an amazing game, a look into who Shadow is, why he's the most well written character in 06, heck in the Sonic franchise as a whole... you know until we get a little more modern day. That is until we get to these comic, of which I defended in the last 2 videos, the writers obviously are trying their hardest to write these characters to how the fans see them despite Sega breathing down their neck. All I was doing was defending the writers and what they are doing, they're obviously trying their best to shape these characters into the ones we know, the way older fans grew up with them, the way the older fans know them, and trying to show knewer fans who these characters are at their core. You're right it's not a whole mental thing, his MENTALITY is simple and basic, he acts 1st asks questions later, that's who he is. Again all I was doing was elaborating the mindset, and defending the writer's portrayal of these characters because they're a lot more accurate to the characters we know, granted Sonic himself hasn't changed as drastically as Shadow. However some people don't understand how in depth Sega made these characters, how capable Sega has been in the past with their story writing. That Sonic isn't your typical hero of justice fighting to save the princess and the world, he just does it because it's fun, and because he dislikes people opposing, forcing their rules and mindset on others. That people (or anthropomorphic animals) as we saw during the metal virus, back in Sonic Adventure 2, may turn on him but he will still fight for what he believes peace and freedom is.

Does Sonic really not make hero chaos?

@@rev0lve638 Nope it's Neutral and high speed, Shadow is Dark high speed, nights is neutral high flying. Tails and Knuckles might be heroes (I think Knuckles is, don't remember Tails, but highly doubt it's a dark chao, so nuetral or hero), I think Amy is nuetral as well, but they were special that you can't get through normal means, like Tails you need to play Phantasy Star Online and have the save file on the same gamecube memory card, do a couple missions on it, or something I don't remember exactly.

@@Blaze4ification interesting! Thanks for the info

Dark Super Sonic would be amazing, but Sega doesn't have fun anymore so I doubt they'd let that happen. And honestly I'd want the the games to have the first canon Dark Sonic, shown in a stunning cutscene rather than a (admittedly nicely drawn) panel

Sega is very protective of their characters I seriously doubt they will be happy seeing Sonic kill anybody despite the fact they're villains.

Me too I would love to see this character in a future Sonic video game but I'm curious do you think if Belle were to see Eggman again would eggman destroy her or not

@@animezilla4486 IMO, probably. With a few exceptions, eggman really doesn't see his creations as anything other than tools.

Zavok autocorrect

@@donisamwentete5079 my bad XD!!!!!

I liked their personality even in the game. You are right their should have been more in the boss fights but they were interesting.

You cant buy every sonic game on the switch

@@ImBoredfr5 haha, I meant to say that I'm going to buy all the Sonic games available on the Switch, I wish they were alll on there if it was possible

I think he means the sonic game on the switch

@@Chaoywowey ah my bad then

@2fast 4u That is a little reductive.

Agreed

Tails tagged three Zeti, not two. He tagged Zomom, Zavok, and Zor.

Infinite should get the Clone Wars Darth Maul treatment. (Sam Witwer should voice him to)

Almost all the villains should be in the games: *Rough & Tumble:* mini bosses that appear in each world with new toys (like Boom Boom and Pom Pom from Mario). *Dr. Starline:* could literally have his own separate game where he is the main villain. *Mimic:* shows up and ambushes you when you least expect it (Taskmaster from Spiderman PS4). *Deadly Six:* could have their own game. *Clutch:* spin-off villain for the Chaotix spin-off game. These characters would be a breath of fresh air from the same Eggman, Metal Sonic, and Eldritch being most of the previous games played through.

I'd argue Flynn enhanced what was already there. Zavok's sadistic and manipulative personality was present in Lost World, the execution just wasn't the best.

I get you don't like Pontac and Graff, but the hatred they received is disgusting. Pontac has stated that he wasn't to interact with fans after a particularly vocal group once sent him and his dog death threats.

​@@sonicstar917 Uh, did you reply to the wrong comment? I don't know who Pontac or Graff is or how saying that Zavok is an underrated character is berating a guy who's receiving death threats.

"Personally, I wouldn't be caught dead using one of those!"

Yuji Uekawa's art is better and more iconic. Also, screw Yardley. He defaced a drawing of Shadow the Hedgehog by Uekawa... by making it look like Shadow was taking a dump. Not to mention, he implied that 50% of the United States are associated with Nazis and white supremacists. What an ass.

Same

That would be awesome

Lost World reimagining, written by Ian Flynn, make it happen SEGA!

Psychosomatic.

“short existence”?

And that is why Flynn doesn't get the characters.

@@sonicstar917 It's not Flynn, it's SEGA mandates. Best he can do is adhere to it while also working around it via loopholes.

@@patrickcarter2829 It's always SEGA's fault whenever there's a problem with Flynn's writing, huh? No mandate exists to make a good chunk of the characters act like idiots to advance the plot. No mandate exists that requires a story arc to be dragged out over a YEAR, and this isn't the first time Flynn's done this. That's the Zombot Arc in a nutshell. Also, what loopholes? Considering the number of supposed mandates that have been broken from time to time, if they can be broken that easily with no consequence, then change the terminology. Mandate is an obligation or requirement. I've told others before; If the writing or story sucks in Sonic Frontiers, I GUARANTEE you that Flynn will blame it on SEGA in some way.

@@sonicstar917 fair enough. Though I'm not too familiar with the full detail SEGA has in place for the Sonic franchise (anyone have a link?) so it's merely conjecture based on heresay. Frankly, I quite enjoy this iteration of Sonic (barring Shadow) and would rather see this as the game's canon. It's better than previously released titles, that's for sure.

I’ve never read these comics, so I don’t know if Eggman has ever legit KILLED anyone, but if he has and Sonic continues to time and again let him go, then Sonic is 100% in the wrong. Regardless of his morals.

@@juliusweiss5447 He murdered Whisper's former teammates the Diamond Cutters with a horde of Shadow androids by making a deal with Mimic. Also since IDW follows the game canon he killed a bunch of innocent people in Unleashed and Forces.

@@juliusweiss5447 killing someone because they can hurt people is cowardly. The human race is at a point where literally all of our problems can be solved by talking it out. If one side doesn’t want to, then stick to your morals. The side that wants to be violent and kill only has their own ideals confirmed when you resort to doing exactly what you want them to do; end things with violence.

@@juliusweiss5447 Eggman's never killed anybody directly, but he's definitely done it by proxy; He ordered robots to tear down towns and destroy things.

@@electricsoul3355 You saying this, especially with what is happening right this very second speaks to you either being ignorant of the real world, a child, or possibly even both.

Yeah, more Sonic fans need to read this series!

Debatable.

I've noticed a lot of people who hate on the writing in IDW always plug their own fanfics while doing so, insisting they can write so much better. Makes me think they hate Ian and Evan's writing simply because it doesn't mirror their own writing styles.

Shows that Sega doesn’t think their ideas through imo. Unless they were willing to use the opportunity to explain what the hell is up with the Zeti to begin with, I don’t see how adding a new Zeti wouldn’t cause anything but trouble. There already are six evil Zeti who -nobody likes- are their own group, saying there was secretly a seventh one you’ve just never seen before all along is the epitome of lazy writing. And as interesting as the idea of a good Zeti might seem, introducing a heroic Zeti would be an absolutely terrible idea in practice because he or she would just have too good of a matchup against the main antagonist. Eggman causing trouble? There is absolutely no reason to not just send the hero Zeti and have them take care of everything with their gamebreaking magitek powers, especially since IDW introduced Zeti power enhancers. Every single time Eggman (or even Starline since he uses robots too) wants to make any sort of move, they would have to write around the hero Zeti and make sure they’re out of the way. I mean, if anyone could make a Zeti work it’s the IDW people, but I don’t blame them for not doing it. Given the limitations they have to work with, it‘s just not a good idea if you really think about it.

Ian seemed to like the idea, he just decided it was probably best not to do it because of the predictable fan response to Zeti being in anything.

@@rainpooper7088 That would only be an issue if they planned on making that zeti a core cast member. Not every character can be everywhere.

@@Biostar96 That’s just the thing: If a heroic Zeti existed, there would be absolutely no reason for them to NOT be a main cast character because they could dispatch all of Eggman‘s forces by simply looking at them funny. Every single time Eggman accomplishes anything, we would be thinking „Yep, all of this could have been avoided if they had only gotten Hero Zeti for the job.“ The writers would have to go out of their way to make sure this kind of gamebreaking isn’t possible and if that’s what they have to do for a character who isn’t even supposed to be all that important to begin with, then it’s simply not worth the trouble.

@@rainpooper7088 I think you’re exaggerating here. The Sonic cast has its own heavy hitters yet they never have to justify why Shadow isn’t around all the time, or Sonic for that matter. It’s a big world, it’s silly to think a person can be literally anywhere there is conflict with Eggman.

That goes for me too as well I like the fact that Sonic is compassion