Lets just put it this way. Not many people in the Last of Us universe gets a happy ending. Most die abruptly and brutally. Bill and Frank had the perfect day together and died peacefully and lovingly in each others arms. They actually got a good ending.
frfr how often do you get to see queer characters grow old together. Very cool for the show to give this to a gay couple when so often they are the first to get killed off.
Oh I can answer what Bill would've thought of Ellie since they meet in the game. Bill was extremely annoyed by Ellie touching his things all the time lol
Very true, though I’d have personally preferred to see Bill survive and have a few interaction with Joel and Ellie, if only for one episode. Overall very good though.
This is the part of the game where I realized that the enemies don't see your companions when you are hiding and they are standing out in the open like idiots😂
@@marcoantonioaguirrehernand4375 Low key I have waited for this because I'm dying to see how it's done on-screen because this had some of the most iconic set pieces and the story was just hard. But if they can make Bill and Frank so beautiful on screen I have absurdly high hopes for Sam and Henry. They showed a bit in the trailer already. SPOILER>>>> This is where the gameplay did storytelling work. When you get separated and Joel is protecting Sam and Henry is protecting Ellie, that feels soooooo heavy in the game. I wonder how they play it in the show? That is just a storytelling device that doesn't translate directly to TV with the same emotional impact. So I wonder if Sam and Henry get a short backstory before the main plot progresses.
29:10 Bella Ramsey specifically doing Nick Offerman's laugh as Ellie reading Bill's letter is the FUCKING BEST TOUCH I'VE EVER SEEN HOLY SHIT. NICK HAS SUCH A SPECIFIC LAUGH AND SHE NAILED IT.
@@richardsnook1874 she's a witty and snarky kid. I'm sure it's not out of character for her to inject some humor into reading a letter. Doubt it's because of ignorance for how people write laughter. Hehehe and its variations were around for a while before the internet and texting. God that statement made me feel so boomer
The changes made to their story are more thematically relatable to Joel and Ellie. Bill hating the world until finding one person worth saving is surely something that will stick with Joel. I love this change.
That said, entirely "break me" moments and entire arcs were throughout the game and part 2. They don't flood it, but they fill it out amazingly. I had been playing games since .. the 90s, but this one, select others countable on one hand, had the effect of entirely changing the way I saw the storytelling, life lesson teaching, etc potential of games, through seeing things done so incredibly well. RDR2 is a close one, favorite wise, but when looking at things in the perspective I mentioned, didn't make the list for ex.
@@chipsalom it really is the best storytelling I've ever seen in any medium. I love seeing the reactions of people who never played them, because aside from the debate over what's right or wrong I'm seeing a lot of "What am I supposed to do now?" and "This changed me." which is exactly the impact when you play it. These games became a part of me like nothing else I've ever experienced, and I'm so glad people who don't game or don't like that type of game finally get to experience it.
@@hcdhcdhcd41 Not sure what game you played, but we don't see his skeleton. Lol. We do see his legs hanging to show that he took himself out, but we don't see the skeleton
@@joelmayberry6771 **GAME SPOILERS** You DEFINITELY see his skeleton. I literally just played that part a few days ago. I even have it recorded on my twitch channel. Bill cuts him down and then after you regain control you can look down at him. He’s wearing a pink Hawaiian shirt.
Second time watching had me catch the fact that when Joel opened their door, the front door closed cuz they left their window open so it created that draft. Amazing attention to detail.
the creators also said in an interview that it was to create an almost haunted feeling, like frank & bill's persisting spirit and love was still tangibly there in the house :)
@@finnmertens8394 Oh my goodness, you can't just do this to my heart! 😭 Paraphrasing the words of Guru Pathik, love is a form of energy all around us, and it's never really gone - rather it's always being reborn into new love. Bill and Frank and their love won the end times
In the podcast for the show, the creators were talking about the idea that Bill had essentially buried his sexuality because the world 🌎 had pretty much ended, there was no one around. That is a profound discussion, for any tv show to have let alone a show based on a video game 🎮!!!
Not explicitly true though, Bill is a full grown man who by his own admission had never had a gay encounter. So burying his sexuality due to the apocalypse is not right. He’d been burning it in society too
@@adamdyson3977 I feel like what they were using "bury" to distinguish from being "in the closet." There's no real closet to be in when you live alone in an apocalypse ghosttown
@Anthony De Los Santos Definately. Bill and Frank got the happy ending. They died, after a long life with food and wine in their bellies, in each others arms. Much better than being torn apart by infected or tortured by raiders. They were lucky.
As long as they got the truck is what really needed to happen to continue the story like the video game. So them doing the story like this on the tv show is okay. I liked it.
"Her gun lust is so weird" Shes practically unarmed in a zombie apocalypse makes sense she doesn't want to count on someone else to protect her. EDIT: 3 episodes and so far Sarah, Tess, Bill, and Frank. This might be the only show that has made me cry every episode so far.
The one thing I absolutely love about your reaction videos is that you react as sincerely and vicserally as I do. In my 20's I used to be a guy who thought crying at sappy stuff was un-manly. Stuffed it down. Since I've reached my late 30's, I've realized you gotta get that emotion out. So now I'm a huge emotional sap. This episode built me up with happy tears and then destroyed me with sad ones. Hands down the best episode of anything I've watched in a long, long while. I thank you for this reaction and all the others you've done and will keepon crying along side you.
This stuff with bill and frank didn't happen in the game, this is way better than the game in the way they handled them. They got 16 years together before they died together.
They story from the game would have been good, but this was great. I feel we miss out a bit not seeing Bella Ramsey's and Nick Offerman's snarky banter, but the story they gave Bill and Frank was so much better. I won't be surprised if we hear their names pop up come awards time.
@@cluster_f1575 Bill mentions that he had a partner whom he cared about, but I don't remember actually meeting Frank in the game. Like you said they had a falling out and Frank disappears before the events of the game, which is the big reason why Bill is angry motherf**ker when you meet him in game.
@@aldojoel4836 exactly like it sucks we don’t get the see the banter but at the same time that doesn’t add much compared to this, plus Ellie basically has witty banter with Joel most of the time anyway
@@edsonmata231 "he knows where he's taking me,taking me where I want to be " The lyrics hit even harder when you realize,Bill is taking a ride with his best friend Frank and so are Joe and Ellie
This was so sweet to watch. I felt every emotion you did and I have to chime in as a gamer. When you asked or stated “This is from a video game?” It’s inspired by the video game. At times you’ll have moments directly lifted from the game itself. This episode greatly differs from the game. I don’t wish to spoil you unless you want to know more but the Bill you met here is not the same man in the games. I believe this is what could have been Bill’s story if the world wasn’t as dark as it is. (In the game) This was such a beautiful story and I’m really glad they were able to flesh out and give these characters such a wonderful experience for them and us.
Basically put the game has 3 playable characters. Sarah, Joel and Ellie. The storytelling never departes from any of them. So whenever you see a scene were none of them are participating, that was added for the TV-Show alone. The sidecharacter's stories like Bill's and Frank's are told through letters you can pick up. In this particular case they deviated quite a bit, because in the game Bill is still alive when Joel and Ellie get to his place. But Frank isn't. He killed himself after being bitten. A fact that Bill is unaware off. He thinks Frank left him and ran away. And he is bitter about it.
I only disagree in that I think this is the same Bill as in the game. It's just the same Bill if his relationship with Frank didn't go the way it did in the game.
I cried like a baby. I took a break after the episode to get my hydration back. I then watched it again. I have never seen a better piece of visual media. Truly art at it’s finest expression. Give this episode all the awards.
I see a lot of people calling Ellie's interaction with the infected in the basement weird, and I just don't see it that way. She had asked Joel last episode if it's ever hard killing them knowing that they were once human so I feel like there's a lot of curiosity on Ellie's part about them. Her slicing it's head and it having no reaction would really hammer home that they're completely gone. There's nothing left that makes them human.
So true and what I always think about is the fact that not long ago, Ellie was bitten and thought she was going to die. I am not surprised that a young teen would explore those complicated feelings when encountering actual infected.
Its extra beautiful that this episode came out now, with Joel being reminded to love and protect something even though Tess is gone, on the day the voice actress who played Tess in the game died of cancer.
Even though though this episode deviates quite a bit from the game, I really love what they did with the characters! So beautiful and so heartbreaking!
Come into the video game world, friend! There are a lot of magical stories! This part is very different from the game, but I think this tv version fits into the Last of Us universe too. It still feels very last of us part 1-> a kind of beautiful but tragic treatise on love. Regarding Ellie's "weird" interest in guns, she was raised in a military school that taught might makes right. She's probably been taught the only way to stay safe is to have a weapon on her. Her knife wasn't enough to keep her from being bit. All of this confusing change, it makes sense she'd want to be more armed. Then she basically defeated death by not becoming infected. It makes sense she would be weirdly obsessed with death and the infected.
I personally think its less of an obsession and more of a morbid curiosity mixed with maybe some hatred for the infected given her back story (the back story in which we have not seen yet). I think people that are new to the story are being intentionally confused and worried by the writers and directors. I could be wrong, but just my suspensions so far. P.s. I know the whole story from both games. The show just has many twists and deviations so now I'm like theory crafting on what they might be going towards or how they will deviate next.
It's not just that she is interested in Guns. The Way she watched Joel beat a man to death, her constant questions that basically revolve around "You killed people, how did it feel?" and now that weird encounter. It looks like she got a (metaphorical) hard on for the mere thought of killing someone. She straight up acts like a Serial Killer in the making. And for me, that makes her Character extremly unlikable.
@@CedricBassman It's a thing that happens to children who grow up in warlike conditions IRL - the violence is rapidly normalized, and if you're encouraged to engage in that violence you learn to like it, like you can learn to like almost anything else
@@JBWinter Problem is, she didn't grow up in warlike conditions. Her upbringing was pretty normal considering the times. She even went to school regularly etc.
@@CedricBassman The conditions of average people in the QZ would qualify as "warlike conditions" and I'd argue Federa military school qualifies just as much, considering what we see of Federa's ideals
Frank’s line, “Im not gonna give you the ‘everyday was a gift from god speech, ive had a lot of bad days. Ive had bad days with you too.” That line got me. Beautiful acting from Murray. Reminds me of my grandparents who are in the same nursing home right now, but separate rooms. Separate rooms. When just a few weeks ago they were having breakfast together. Stories my grandmother told me of how my grandfather used to beat her, and of his short temper when he was younger. And how he had changed so much as he got older, and how patient and kind he is now. If one of them were to die tomorrow, would the other one know?
On Ellie’s fascination with guns. Keep in mind that not only has she grown up in the apocalypse, but she has already had an infected fungus monster try and kill her in a brutally vicious attack. Anyone having gone through that kind of trauma is going to be thinking they want a way to defend themselves from the world, especially a world full infected fungus monsters. And as for the killing the trapped infected, I imagine it’s hard to be empathetic to a monster that has brutally killed everyone you’ve ever cared about, and tried to kill you more than once. And she is only 14, she has a lot of growing up to do yet. Loving your reactions, can’t wait to see more!!
"she has already had an infected fungus monster try and kill her in a brutally viscous attack." TWICE! At least, we know she was bitten twice, once before the events of the show and once by the clicker that also got Tess.
This is a good point and one that I don't think most people would assume. Ellie's reactions to violence and monsters might seem weird in today's world, but she's been born into a completely different reality than us. I don't blame people for thinking something is off about her, but to me it's very realistic.
I know I’m very late, but I also want to add: It’s lightly implied that Ellie had to kill Riley once she became infected, and probably is left wondering if she killed her best friend, or if her best friend was already dead and she has nothing to worry about. I also think the anger might have come from that moment as well. Infected took her best friend away, and she’s getting a form of empty vengeance (which light spoilers for part 2: that’s like Ellie’s whole thing.)
Yeah, I'm starting to sense major bait and switch shenanigans. Joel seems to be much weaker than the video game version and can't shoot a gun to save himself.
That’s deliberate, and necessary. In the game, Joel is the character the players inhabit, and has to be a virtually unkillable monster able to wade through hordes of infected. In the game, Joel can take multiple shots from handguns, rifles, and shotguns, and as long as the player can get to cover and use a bandage, he’ll recover. Trying to make the live action version of the character match that level of badassery would look absolutely ridiculous. He’s not the Terminator. He needs to be human, and vulnerable, to be relatable.
I have mixed feelings about this episode. I’ll start by saying this episode bore very little resemblance to this same section in the game. Without spoiling the details of the game, I will say that in many ways I loved this version of the Bill/Frank story so much more than the game’s take on it. But there was one element of the game that I was really looking forward to and did not get, and that was the interaction between Ellie and Bill. I suppose if I were forced to choose, though, I’d choose the live action version. I think the creators of this show are dedicated to staying true to the video game storyline, unless they find a way to tell a better story. That’s what they did in this case, and I loved it.
I too was a bit bummed to not get the hilarious interactions between Bill and ellie, but ultimately I think this outcome was super worth it. It had me in pieces by the end of their love story.... my man and I held eachother for comfort the whole time. It was very bittersweet. ❤💔❤
As a fan of the games this took me pleasantly by surprise. It might be the closest thing we get to an episode with a happy ending as although it's sad it's also very beautiful that they found each other and had a long life together and left on their terms
I think I cried through half of the episode. That was really something... Especially the Strawberry scene got me good. Reminded me of my ex. She and I would do the same thing, She grew Strawberrys on the balcony and we eat the first one by toasting each other just like Bill and Frank do in the scene.
The Bill and Frank story they made in the show is seriously the most beautiful love story that I can remember seeing on screen. It makes me cry every fucking time.
Your comment about digging a hole so a Frank will fall in it made me laugh hysterically and cry at the same time. That got you a new sub. Hopefully you'll find him (without needing a hole, lol).
in the game, there was always little hints that bil and frank are gay, but its never said, and we never see frank alive, only his unalive body hanging from the ceiling, joel also found a note from frank that was, well, bitter and not really nice! So they change quite a bit, and im happy about it, they showed that some characters can change and start living instead of just surviving, and i think the strawberry scene is the best exemple of that!
Tampons are GREAT in an apocalypse ... For everyone. Obviously the designed use. But it can stop nose bleeds and fill gunshot wounds. Also... kindling for fire if necessary.
They definitely fleshed out Bill and Frank far more than the video game. It was nice to see more of their story. However, in the game, there is some great interaction between Bill, Joel, and Ellie, which I was really looking forward to being translated to the show, so I can't help but feel like I was deprived of something. In the game, Frank was already dead, and was nothing more than a very bitter wound in Bill's heart. So while I did enjoy the backstory, I do feel like they sacrificed something great to give us a side story. A great poetic side story, but still. I have mixed feelings about this. There is a line "He's the only one crazy enough to wear a shirt like that." I really would have loved to see them clash over Frank's Hawaiian shirts. Missed opportunity there. Also curious how many people are now going to wander around backyards hoping to fall into a hole.
There will be other opportunities for banter, so I really don't think anything was lost. I think this show did Bill and Frank better than the game in pretty much every way. I'm actually not too fond of the game's storyline with Bill anymore after seeing what it could have been when not constrained to Joel's perspective. There's plenty of banter and plenty of misery porn in this story, and I think that makes the writers' choice to turn this part away from that to tell a kind of story that really CAN'T be found in any other part of the narrative the best possible choice.
@@Mike-di1og Ultimately this reflects what I think is a problem in storytelling: focus. The story is about Joel and Ellie. So things should to some degree relate back to that. Things like taking a half hour to show Sarah, that's fine because it tells the audience about Joel's Trauma (though I think they overdid that too in some aspects). What did Bill and Frank's story have to do with Joel and Ellie? A few mentions of Tess and Joel? The only real tidbit was that were smuggling together as far back as 13 years earlier. It did establish Joel as a protector with some relationship parallels but they'd already done that with Tess's beating from Robert. A few moments of world building? It was fairly standard, that most could already guess. So while yes, it is a beautiful story, it doesn't give perspective on our main story. Put this in a spin off and expand the story further, because ultimately it was 20 year summary in under an hour. While it is amazing what the show achieved in that brief window, there is so much more you could do with that given the proper time. Also, I felt there were important story beats in the game. Like Joel not being able to bring himself to tell Bill that Tess is dead, and Bill inadvertently hitting that particular sore spot a few times. Particularly in the "Let's get on with it then" scene. That was a scene that always stuck with me. While I don't need that exact scene, I did want some of those story beats. You could of had Bill not getting it, but Frank have the empathy to immediately realize Tess is dead. Who else knows Tess and Joel in such a way to have that kind of interaction? Tommy, but that relationship is totally different and has its own story beats to hit. So I don't think we'll get that type of banter in the show. I think there was a way to bridge the gap, where we could have more of their backstory, while still giving us their interaction with Joel and Ellie.
It's funny how you mention digging a hole in your backyard hoping a Frank will fall in because this episode makes me want to be more like Frank. For a long time I felt like I've just been surviving and it's not even the apocalypse. But this episode reminded how important it is to live. To seek out connections even if it's scary. Be protective like Bill. Be open hearted like Frank. Be brave, willing to fall into that hole and hopefully someone will eventually show up with a ladder.
I was thinking who could they possibly find that could stand next to Nick Offerman so I looked, and Murray Bartlett who played Frank won a Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Guest Actor in a Drama Series for his role in this episode.
Believe me, you DO NOT want to know how Bill and Frank end up in the original game, this was 100% better and just as gut-wrenching (but at least in the most beautiful of ways)
As someone who's crossed the 50 barrier with his wife and we're starting to fall apart, this episode really hit home. Such a beautiful piece of storytelling here. Wow.
As soon as Bill said that "Arby's/ free lunch" comment, I was like "Wait, Arby's has free food?!" Lmao. There's only one in my city that I know of and it's out of the way for me to get to, but I was really thinking about heading there the next chance I got if that would've been the case. Shattered dreams though 🤣
This episode felt like a detour if I'm being honest. It was fine for what it was, and as a stand-alone episode, it's good, but we just had two episodes submerge us into the world of Joel and Ellie just to take a hard left turn that focused on two different characters that won't even be in the series beyond this point. I hope the show can get back to focusing on the main plot, because too many episodes like this one, and TLOU might just become TWD.
Thank you that's exactly how I felt this episode basically slowed the pacing down of the show from the first two episodes. The entire series is just 9 episodes and they wasted over an hour on these two side characters.
If you think about it, this story makes perfect sense. Bill was early forties in 2003, meaning he grew up in the 70s, and given his small town locale and what I assume was a very conservative upbringing, he was extremely deep in the closet, which contributed to his hatred of the world. Now that there was no more society to judge him, Frank allowed him to be his true self, and love in a way he felt was right to him. That's also why he disliked Joel, since Joel would have represented all the macho men from the old world who Bill would have felt judged by. I fully expect Nick Offerman to get at least an Emmy nom out of this episode, if not a win. While Murrey Bartlett (the guy who played Frank) did a wonderful job as well, I feel Offerman had the stronger performance.
Since you're watching Last of Us & Vox Machina simultaneously: Ellie's mother is played by Ashley Johnson (Pike Trickfoot), she played Ellie in the game, and Troy Baker (Joel in the game) voices Vex & Vax's dad Syldor Vessar in Legend of Vox Machina!
This story was only really implied during the game, and the ending was much more tragic and less idyllic for them, as far as we can tell. A literal adaptation of the video game to screen would have been a whole episode of Joel and Ellie painstakingly making their way through an entire town that Bill booby-trapped, dealing with infected and clickers and using wooden planks to cross between buildings, stopping every five feet to go through drawers and stuff to build makeshift weapons out of whatever they found. Basically, they took out all the video-gamey stuff that makes the game a game, and filled in the time with expanded and deepened story. Episode 2 would have been them working their way through the city dodging FEDRA patrols, or sneaking up and shanking FEDRA guys in body armor. They wouldn't have used guns on those clickers in the museum if they could help it, because guns are way too loud and also you don't have very many bullets. In episode 1, instead of getting to the meet and finding all of Robert's guys already dead, you would have had to kill all those guys yourself, an an hours-long extended stealth and shooting sequence where Joel probably died several times and had to go back in time to start over Groundhog Day style.
"Paying attention to things, it's how we show love." Frank to Bill This was one of the most emotional & best hours I’ve watched in a long, long time. What a beautiful, moving piece of art. The writing, directing, cinematography & acting were exemplary. I was not expecting this at all. The flashback giving us more Tess(Anna Torv)! And Joel at the beginning stacking rocks in remembrance of her. I’m glad they addressed her death & his dealing with it. I completely lost it when Frank told Bill, “Then love me the way I want you to.” Then they hit you with the piece of music “On the Nature of Daylight”😢 during their last day🎨🍂🍁🌸, which is also found in one of my favorite movies “Arrival” by Denis Villeneuve(I highly recommend it if you haven’t seen it 👍). Bill to Frank “I was never afraid before you showed up.” & “I’m old, I’m satisfied, and you were my purpose.” Frank to Bill “Paying attention to things, it's how we show love." 😭 The letter Bill leaves telling Joel what his purpose is, thus showing him the way forward. And of course the Linda Ronstadt Long, Long Time call back at the final scene for all the feels again. 🪟❤️ Almost forgot, strawberries for the win 🍓 I’m looking forward to watching your reaction to this when I get home tonight. 😊👍
my first time watching one of your videos. I thought, 'Should I watch this'? Then I saw a model of the Rocinante behind you. Yes. Yes I need to watch this.
In the game, Frank was already gone and Bill was even more of a dick from self hatred. The story served the same purpose, to teach Joel to let people into his heart again but in the opposite way. Game Bill taught it by showing Joel what he would become if he didn't let people in. Show Bill taught him what he COULD be if he let someone one in.
This episode was so good and heartbreaking. So glad they fleshed Bill and Frank out from just being ambiguous about them in the game. I was too happy to see Anna Torv again. So sad they took Tess from us so quickly
The realationship between Bill and Frank isnt explored on the games. The games just hinsts that Bill and Frank were close. And to be honest I loved so much the way that HBO created and showed us this relationship. And a cool fact, if Im not just tripping... At the final of the first episode, the Joels radio wich he uses to comunicate with Bill and Frank, starts to play a 80s music (meaning trouble) and not just that... The music is "Depeche Mode - Never Let Me Down Again"... The lirycs tells exactly what would happen with Bill and Frank... "I'm taking a ride With my best friend I hope he never lets me down again He knows where he's taking me Taking me where I want to be I'm taking a ride With my best friend" "We're flying high We're watching the world pass us by Never want to come down Never want to put my feet back down On the ground" I'm just in pieces after realizing this...
"this is from a video game?! you're telling me this is from a video game?" lol. the game was very well-done, and one of the few games with amazing writing, dialogue, storytelling, and characters. though this particular backstory was not a part of the game and was added to the show to add more depth to bill's character and the story at whole
They managed to trim the gamey fluff AND add SO much to existing characters this episode. While I can see it annoying a camp of the game's fans, it was beautifully done. Love your notes to reference btw ("bob and tom [looks] no bill and frank] lol
Tell me you never played the game without saying you never played the game. Fluff?? Episode three was the fluff to appeal to people who would never play the game. This is not a feel good story.
@@Dustyphoto915 maybe stick to marvel movies or anything with constant CGI, shoot ‘em up bang bang scenes like the ADHD tween baboon brain that you are.
@@Dustyphoto915 he's right though, the game's version of the episode where you go through different locations with infected to find a battery was designed for gameplay.
@@TimSedai sure you do. And you platinum two game ma because you think the gameplay is fluff and the characters needed so much “added” to them. Sure you do and sure you did.
I wasn't a fan of the show's handling of Bill and Frank. It was fairly well executed, but the show only had nine episodes, and one got used up almost entirely on two minor characters who never (as far as I can remember) come up again. If the two of them got three times as much screentime and their own film, I'd be completely on board with it, but given that it takes roughly a tenth of the show's runtime and is at best tangentially related to the plot, I kinda think it was a little self-indulgent on the part of the writers. Meanwhile, the game's rendition of Bill shows up, acts like a paranoid recluse and cantankerous old bastard, hints at the history he has with Joel and Tess, and then goes right back to the existence he was comfortable with. Made more sense to me. *shrugs*
Re your noticing that there were no carbs in the final meal, recall that morning Frank asked for toast. Given his plan, he decided to risk it. Bill probably had bread frozen from well before the outbreak.
Bill being gay was def in the game but it was a subtle detail. This back story was not in the game. Bill was still alive in the game. BUT, I like the changes they made, this is actually a much happier story for Bill, all things considered.
This was a very beautiful episode. I loved it as well! They did it better for the show because the game was quite tragic. Even more so 😭 I'm so happy they got an amazing love story
I'm not a gamer. I've watched others play TLOU but never came across Bill and Frank's story. This was outstanding. Even the small portions of just Ellie and Joel. Great performances here. Broke down hearing Frank's wish list. Broke down again seeing them enjoy their "first meal together" again. We didn't need to see what became of them. They died the way they wanted to. Together. Great video, see you next week. Take care, Angela!!
HiI feel like you should watch this without the subtitles. I noticed you read them but sometimes they take away from the immersion and they reveal things that you shouldn't know before it happens. Just a thought.
2:10 funny you say Bob and Tom, because they have a radio talk show lol. Maybe that’s why you associated it with bill and frank because of the radio code thing 😂
Yeah to everyone who’s saying they messed up Bill’s story from the game… literally what story? In the game you go to the town, meet Bill, he’s an a-hole, him and Ellie have some funny banter, you learn a tiny bit about Frank, and then you leave. This was way better, an excellent example of a deviation from the source material that improves the overall story without having an effect on the greater plot.
I don't find Ellie's desire for a gun as weird or problematic, she has no way to defend herself in this very hostile world. I imagine most people would really want a working firearm while traveling out in the open in this dystopia.
Loving your reactions. My favorite line from this episode: "I was never afraid before you showed up." Says a lot about how we invest ourselves in the ones we love.
This is completely different than how it played out in the game but given the change in medium this was a welcome change. Bill is doing his crazy survivalist stuff alone in the town when he saves you from infected. He is mentioned but you never see Frank alive in the game. He and Bill had a huge fight and you find his body across town looking for the truck battery with a note with a "I always hated you Bill "note and Bill is alive last you see him.
I would be wary about giving this level of detail when the reactor has not played the game. They may want to try it for themselves. While different, having seen the show, they might have a different sadder reaction to finding Frank knowing his relationship with Bill other than notes we find in game. At least put game spoiler on your comment
So the relationship of Bill and Frank was hinted at in the game. Whether it was altered or cut only the creators know, but in the game, Joel and Ellie meet up with Bill who gives them supplies and the truck. It's been a while since I've played the game so I don't remember exactly but he either discussed having had a "person", but never naming them or I think there may have been a letter you could find by exploring. In any case this deeper dive was an amazing difference from the game and I think better suited for the live action adaption. One of the best executed pieces of television ever made.
A lot of their story in the game is implied rather than shown, and the resolution to their story is more pessimistic than the optimism in this, but the lesson that reaches Joel through them is fundamentally the same.
