I've watched this scene of Joel telling Ellie the truth several times and felt so sad for Joel every time. But this time, I fully empathized with the intense horror Ellie felt at that very moment, that she was humanity's best chance for a hopeful future, for factions to come together, to rebuild, and eventually eradicate the cordyceps. Ellie felt this terrible guilt and dread that the world remained a nightmare as a consequence for preventing her operation.
And yes I know about the recordings of Marlene saying the cure wouldn't work, the world is already too lost to be saved, and also how little civilisations like Jackson would be ok anyway ...but what if the Fireflies succeeded in the fabrication of a cure. Imagine the military and other factions started trusting and praising the Fireflies because of that glimmer of hope... that the world could be saved...
@@istoleurfaceha3527 i tent to believe the deception hurt her more. Like 51:49 of being lied to by the person she loves the most vs loss of her agency.
Couldt blame it on joel tho. Joel saw how to world treat him so cruel. He lost ppl he love. I bet he didt wana lost ellie to. U wont know this feelings. Unless u had a daughter, u will understand why joel took those decision. I had a friend whose daughter died of car crash when she was 16 years old. My friend cant get rid of her death which is sad. Eventually he adopt a step daughter. Its so hard to lose someone u love. Feels like god doing things wrong to u. But yeah we gota except it. Everybody will die in this world.
Since the first game, tho, he also hugged her after she killed that cannibal guy, he also said "baby girl" or something. It was also a great father-daughter moment.
Yeah. They went back and showed some of the best flashback scenes that justify the scenes that happened in the present which I found to be quite cool. A lot of people are shitting on this game and I'm playing through the game to somewhat understand why.
I think they didn't ride beside each other. Like in part 1 where ellie and joel had that conversation in the farm house. I think silence with hurtfull feelings and thoughts
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Notice how in the beginning of the game, Joel tells Tommy he saved Ellie. Here, he tells her he stopped them. Maybe he did regret what he did a little bit, but after watching Ellie grow up and have a life for herself, I think he fully believed he did the right thing.
I think that, in a way, Ellie defined herself by the purpose her mutation afforded her rather than by how she was as a person (no doubt out of survivor's guilt after Riley died and she didn't), so she simply can't see herself as worth saving (other than to get to the Fireflies and help make a cure) and sees Joel's actions as cheating her out of her destiny and nothing else. I think that once Ellie starts making a life for herself and starts seeing her own self worth, she starts veeeeeeeery slowly taking in Joel's point of view and understanding that she saved her because she mattered to him and that she was more than just a cure (and she had a life worth living).
He changed, and that change made him more trusting and caring and got him killed. It was his past decisions that made ellie feel her life didn't matter, and when he died her worst fears were realized - she was alone. She was alone, and every choice she ever wanted to make was robbed from her. She couldn't died with Riley, she couldn't make the vaccine, and she couldn't forgive Joel while he was alive. Masterpiece
Ty Porter Well even if Ellie did finally catch up with Abby. She’s gonna be demanding answers of why she killed Joel and what was this all about. And once she explained all the details that not only Joel took humanity’s hope, he also took her father too. I was expecting she was gonna find out the awful truth the hard way.
at first i slightly blamed ellie for how cold she acted towards but then i remembered: how would it feel to know that your life being spared, meant the rest who died and were destined to had no chance?
there's no assurance that the vaccine ever gets created, or that it can even be mass-produced. And they most definitely do not have the means to have it supplied on a mass scale. They had no plan behind killing a 14 year old girl. Just big aspirations and a lack of morality in killing a teenager for their unrealistic goals.
I mean compared to dying by getting beaten to death with a golf club at the very beginning of the game…..I think I’d rather a much better story that would lead to Joel dying towards the very end infected and at least putting up an amazing fight. That’s just me though. I honestly think that’d be much better than getting beaten to death plus spat on afterwards by a buncha nobodies at the very start of the story ( they false advertised btw).
I like the detail that Joel hugs her here and she doesnt, but years later when she goes to his house to mourn, he finds the same jacket and hugs it back and even smells it. 💔
I'm expecting more from Joel and Ellie in DLC. I'm sure they knew people would want more of them together. I'd love to see some Joel and Tommy stuff too pre-outbreak but that's probably too much to ask for.
Joel: You know what? No. How about, "Hey Joel, I know it wasn't easy, but it was either him or me, thanks for saving my ass"? You got anything like that for me, Ellie? Ellie: We gotta get going. Joel: Lead the way, kiddo.
@@jwood1887 some protection is better than no protection, 10 imune people are better than 1, even 2 immune people are better than one, the cost of one life for the progress that can be made is too little to not take the chance
@@doriangrigorie7345 I'm gonna just say it. The immunity makes no sense. They say the fungus mutated in Ellie. But its a fungus how can you vaccinate against a damn mushroom ?
@@schlongkong6113 antibodies. or maybe infect people with the benign form (which ellie has). ovbi if you have the benign form, then you cant get the malignant form, so it would stop people from turning into zombies
You could just hear the seriousness in her voice. "If you lie to me one more time, I'm gone. You will NEVER see me again." It was at that moment Joel realized he couldn't hide the truth any longer.
Omg that was soo emotional moment. I didn't expect that she will cry like that she even was going to have a heart attack and even grabbed her heart. I thought that she will swear a lot
As much as I love the sequel, I feel like too many scenes leave way too much unsaid. Joel never told Ellie he loved her and was more or less his daughter, Abbie never told Ellie the real reason she killed Joel. Cut scenes are missing too much dialogue.
We know the truth and they don't live in a Disney world to know everything it's a cold dark world for them. People forgot these characters live in a post apocalyptic world.
don't you think ellie knows? She can figure out joel killed so many for her because he loves her. They don't need to spell it out, and give each word into their mouth. Same for abby. One can figure out why she killed joel. The fact that it was the surgeon doesn't add too much to it for ellie. All she knows is joel killed someone in the hospital dear to abby. The game didn't need to tell more to ellie
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I mean, that’s kinda the point? Joel telling Ellie he loves her isn’t necessary when he shows it in all of his actions, and Abby doesn’t need to justify what she did to the people that murdered her friends. It’s supposed to be tragic.
they're not missing too much. you're just upset that they don't say those things, as anyone would be. but that's perfectly acceptable writing and it's part of the tragedy of the game.
this is literally what made the first game so good and they just threw it away for some revenge plot of some irrelevant ass character that nobody cares for.
This whole side of the plot seems unnecessary to me. I always got the impression from the first game that Ellie knew that Joel did something that he wasn't telling her, but that she accepted it, because she knew that he cared about her. This game basically just says that Ellie believed Joel's very bad lie.
@@ryanschmidt3913 No. She definitely never believed it, but she had no idea what the real truth was. Theres a difference between knowing that something isnt true and knowing the full truth
@@lucassanchez9050 He told her that the Fireflies gave up, if she suspected that was a lie, then the only alternative truth could have been that they didn't give up, and Joel decided that they weren't getting a cure from Ellie for some reason. In that event, he had the best possible reason she could have expected, which was that he didn't want her to die.
This was such a sad moment to see Joel finally tells Ellie the truth and to see how Ellie reacts it just broke me.. but I knew Ellies reaction was gonna be like that. To be honest I feel sad for both of them but more for Ellie cause she never knew the truth and finally did and broke down 🥺💔
No matter how many times I’ve watched this scene, or the entirety of the ending, my eyes well up with tears EVERY time. These scenes were executed perfectly in all areas. Music, motion capture, acting, editing, sound editing, direction, lighting, cinematography, etc. Every bit of it. Bravo
See you clearly missed the whole point of the game. This IS the center of the game and why Ellie goes on her revenge rampage. She has the worst survivors guilt of all time. She was the only hope for humanity and Joel took that from her and the entire species. So when Abby kills Joel, Ellie's still distant but she still cares so there's a desire to find forgiveness for Joel over time, but then Abby takes that away from her. Both of their journeys in Seattle mirror each other and they both lose everything but Abby chooses mercy, something that Ellie can only do when she has the chance to make that choice herself. Tommy uses her survivors guilt from this moment and Joel's death to push her further. Almost every character in this game got what they deserved including Joel. To be honest Ellie should have saved them all the trouble and killed Joel as soon as he admitted the truth. She had more of a right to kill him than Abby did.
Ryan Sansaricq I’m sorry but who cares about Abby, I just want her dead. The way they tried to portray the message(revenge is bad) was so ass. They should’ve not added Abby, and plus they did my Joel dirty. They truly fucked up the game.
I think the crux of the game is that Ellie feels responsible for Joel’s death because it was a direct consequence of his saving her life and destroying the hope for a cure. This IS the major plot point of the game but they had to build actual gameplay and tension around it. For all the game’s faults this is not one of them
@@geordiejones5618 Ellie does get peace in the ending. Peace with herself and her inner conflict with Joel. Ellie could have acquired her revenge. But she saw a flashback of Joel that was not his bloodied face being bashed by a golf club, and at this moment she remembered what Joel sacrificed for her and how she was willing to try to forgive Joel during this flashback. At this moment, she let go of her hate for Abby and forgave her, for to forgive Joel, she must forgive Abby. Ellie learned a very important lesson because of that. Also, in the end, Ellie's reason to hunt down Abby was not solely for revenge. It was a desperate attempt to try to "fix" her PTSD. She thought maybe by avenging Joel, she would be able to forgive him and remedy her PTSD. It was not solely for revenge in the end. Abby made a mistake by having preconceived notions of Joel. If you make that same mistake, you have missed the point of the game. As a player, the game shows you Abby's side of the story and you have to learn to forgive and forget. You play as Abby to gain a deeper insight into her character and to understand her reasons. Then, the decision is up to you. Are you willing to forgive Abby? Or will you instead want to continue this meaningless cycle of revenge? If you do not learn to forgive Abby, you have missed the point of the game. The way Abby turned on the WLF mirrors the way Joel turned on the Fireflies. Joel experienced a moral dilemma. Is he willing to let Ellie die for a chance at developing a vaccine? Or, will he save Ellie (his second daughter) and find his redemption? That happens with Abby, too. Although you have known Lev for two days, you have done extremely crazy things for him. You have overcome your fears because of him, you risked your life for him, you have saved each other’s lives, and you two have a very close bond now. It does not matter the number of days. The quality matters. So now, the WLF is going to murder Lev, a person you have a deep bond with, simply because of the fact she is a Seraphite. You have two choices. Let them cold-bloodedly murder someone you have an extremely close bond with for a superficial reason. Or, save Lev. Both options are not fully justifiable, much like Joel's dilemma in the end. Abby tries to make Isaac understand and was willing to kill herself for Lev, given how she told Isaac to shoot her. However, when Yara shoots Isaac to save Lev, the WLF immediately opens fire on Abby and Lev, giving them little choice but to fight back. Abby lost her humanity when she tortured and murdered Joel. She is looking for an opportunity to redeem herself and to reclaim her humanity, and saving Lev is perfect for that. Abby’s character follows the same character arc as Joel. Ellie has a great character arch. After Joel's death, Ellie becomes blinded by hate and the need for revenge. Throughout the game, you and Ellie see the devastating impacts her thirst for revenge has. When Ellie's bloodlust fades away and she can see what she has done (murdering a pregnant woman, ruining many lives), she collapses. She questions what lengths she is willing to go to seek her revenge. When Abby leaves Ellie and gives her a second chance, Ellie is left miserably defeated. She tries to move on and live a normal life with Dina, but she cannot. Her PTSD nags at her, her inner conflict with Joel never subsides, and Tommy's visit was the last straw. In the end, she hunts down Abby as a desperate attempt to try to fix things. Ellie is broken inside, and she thinks going after Abby will fix that. She cannot imagine Joel without seeing his bloodied face being bashed by a golf club. She is conflicted about her feelings about Joel. She is broken inside and is going after Abby to fix that. When she finally has Abby by the throat, she does not kill her. She views a flashback of Joel that is not his bloodied face being bashed by a golf club. She remembers what Joel sacrificed for her and how she was willing to try to forgive him at the end. At this moment, she lets go of her hate for Abby and realizes that to forgive Joel, she must forgive Abby. The end showcases Ellie finding inner peace and letting Joel go. As much as it does not seem like it, the game is about Ellie. But to show you the devastating impacts of Ellie's quest for revenge, you have to experience Abby's point of view. You have to sympathize with Abby, and not necessarily agree with her reasons, but understand where she is coming from. You have to be willing to forgive and forget. That is a very important test the game makes you take. Abby is trying to reclaim the humanity she lost after brutally killing Joel while Ellie is descending into that inhumanity. The challenge here to Ellie and us is to forgive Abby because she has the same emotional struggles, moral resignations, and repressed aspirations as Ellie and is dealing with that in a more human way than simply avenging her father's death because that did not help her; it only deepened her traumas. That is why after saving Yara and Lev she starts having dreams and not nightmares. Also, by the end of the game you're supposed to realize that Ellie isn't trying to avenge Joel so much for him, but more so because she regrets the way she treated him, and the fact that he dies before she ever gets the chance to properly repair that relationship. She thinks killing everyone responsible will allow her to forgive herself, but in the end, she just finds that she's slipping into darkness and throwing everything else in her life away - pushing away her relationships and putting others in danger. At what point is the cost too high? Abby as a contrast is supposed to show you that revenge is hollow and still leaves you feeling empty inside. Abby literally trashes her relationships in order to train for this revenge crusade, and she drags everyone else into it. Most of them agreed to go seek justice, but then you see the push-back and distancing that occurs after Abby crosses that line of torturing Joel. Abby saves Lev & Yara to clear her own conscious because deep down she does feel guilty - not just for killing Joel, but dragging everyone else into it and pushing people away because she was consumed by vengeance, and everything and everyone else in her life took a backseat while she pursued that goal - revenge was an obsession. She also feels guilty for the things she ends up doing with the WLF, who are a far cry from the Fireflies. The WLF were simply the closest thing to what they had in Salt Lake City with the Fireflies, a similar structure and lifestyle; the WLF are extremely xenophobic and basically end up committing genocide on the Seraphites. By comparison, the Fireflies simply resisted a corrupted military government and were laser-focused on developing a cure for the greater good. By the end, Abby is broken and everyone and everything around her besides just Lev is either destroyed or dead - she loses everything.
I remember back to the beginning of the game Joel said that Ellie wanted her immunity to mean something and then he lied saying their were dozens like her I can honestly agree that Joel made the right choice in saving her but not in lying she broke down when she heard the truth because their was a way but Joel stopped it 3 people she cared about got bit and died Riley,Tess and Sam in her mind they deserved better along with everyone else like those two that they saw with the second flashback she just wanted the world including Joel to have better but it was taken away by him so I can understand her being mad but we need to look at Joel’s case the very beginning of the outbreak his daughter died in his hands so he grew older and more sour but then he got to know Ellie and grow a bond with her he didn’t show it til the cannibals when Ellie was killing that one dude he said “it’s ok babygirl” that showed that he cared much about her and when she was close to drowning even with weapons aimed at him he didn’t care he wanted her to be saved then the hard truth about how making a cure will kill her he had no choice he lost one daughter he did not want to lose another one so in reality if Ellie could actually understand what Joel went through maybe she would get why Joel intervened and saved her so in conclusion yes she had every right but she doesn’t understand why he did it and should have thought why he did it first
Afterwards she did understand, she even said it to Abby he did what he did cause he wanted to save her and couldn’t lose another daughter. I also side with people who think even though what Joel did was selfish, he might’ve also spared her life from being wasted. Everyone knows that it takes a long time to create a successful vaccine, and the Fireflies weren’t entirely saints themselves.
@@jamaljames9331 At least the Fireflies were trying to DO something. What good did Joel and Ellie actually DO? I find it highly hypocritical to see people seeing Abby as some sort of evil bitch. What she did was no less understandable than what he did. If HE was right, SHE was right. If HE was wrong, SHE was wrong. That's it, that's all. They both were selfish for allegedly 'good' reasons. They both felt they were 'in the right'.
Good scene but felt rushed. Imagine if we had a full game of Joel and Ellie again. Ellie starts questioning what happened and at the very end of the game the truth is revealed. Having such an important moment in a 5 minute flashback doesn’t do it justice.
They had multiple flashbacks before this. One in particular saw Ellie begin to uncover evidence of the Fireflies’ failure, being called liars and traitors. She was clearly somewhat suspicious already, so this didn’t come completely out of nowhere. Not to mention the half hearted okay at the end of the original, showing suspicion from the very beginning
@@Sefoskiii exactly. This is the third flashback and was the perfect time to have this conversation especially after it almost spilled out earlier. It didn't need to be dragged out further. It's says a lot about children and parentage and how you begin questioning the world as you age.
@@Sefoskiii I agree, I loved the way Part 2 was handled. I see The Last of Us Part 2 as the Batman V Superman of gaming; very underrated. I adore this game.
Well we know that Anna, her mother, died shortly after Ellie was born and left her the switchblade that Ellie uses, and she also left a note for Ellie. As for her Dad, no idea XD
This conversation was everything I expected and played out the same way I thought it would as soon as part 2 was announced. Just wish the rest of the game was that way.
This moment is exactly why I was looking forward to this game. As disappointing as the game is, all the flashback moments with Joel and Ellie (this one especially) were worth it and they paid off very well.
Doesn’t matter of Ellie would’ve done it or not. Joel made the decision for her and lied about it to her, for years. I’ll never understand the fans who think this is out of character for Ellie. How would you feel if your parent or guardian made a huge choice with consequences that possibly effected the world and then they lied to you about it for years? My question is how could Ellie have any other reaction?
I just thought her reaction was out of order. I get she would be pissed but to say to Joel we are done is crazy. She surely has to understand Joel's decision.
Ellie had survivors guilt and wanted her to life to have some meaning. She wanted to help cure the infection even if it meant losing her life. Joel killed a lot of people, didn't let her meet her fate and also lied to her for year. Even swearing. Ellie since the David scene started becoming cold and cynical like joel and joel became more like Ellie. This was a very natural turn of events
This is one of the goty moments thia game had. Emotion, incredible acting, the conversation has weight. THIS is why the game got goty. The tlou franchise story telling is unmached.
If this would be the ending scene of the Last of Us 2 and the whole game is about Joel and Ellie starten their new lifes in Jackson, Ellie questioning Joels version of the Salt Lake City Hospital and so... 10/10 game
@@venmen523 a shit plot with a shit ending. killed off joel for nothing. i didnt experience one positive emotion playing this except for when i would die playing as abby.
@@22year-olddoomer24 Abby wasn't the bad guy. Joel killed her father and stopped a vaccine that would have saved millions. Not saying Ellie and Joel are bad, all of them could have gotten along if the outcome was slightly different, cause at the end they all have the same goal
@@OrrWeisbergReviews I know Abby's not "bad" but the first game is falling in love with Joel and Ellie. AND NOW they kill off Joel to develop some character no one cares about. On top of having to play her for 7 hours after the fact. It's like the devs spitting in our face. "Here's the stranger that killed your beloved friend, no sit in this room with them for 10 hours". And on top of that, the dogshit ending. This game was a fucking mess. And the devs assume everyone is stupid enough to believe Joel and Tommy would be dumb enough to fall for that ambush. Joel hardly trusted anyone, it's just poor writing and pissing in the diehard fans face...... A fucking golf club...... Man survive 50+ years to die to a fucking golf club.........
Also understand that the fire flies were family to Ellie for a time. That includes Marlene who we know was her parental figure during that part of her life.
Ellie was with them for MAYBE 3 weeks at most, and Marlene likely kept her separated from the others to hide her immunity to keep her protected. Most of the Fireflies Ellie met likely died crossing the country with Marlene. They may have piled onto her survivor's guilt, but they didn't mean enough for her to bother to list them at the end of the first game.
I wish they had mentioned that Joel had murdered those people like a manic and that Marlene was one of them. Neil said that Ellie only went with Joel cause Marlene told her and she trusted Marlene that much. Yet Ellie never asks about her at the end of the first game and never seeks her fate even in this scene and game.
I am absolutely convinced that in the second part, the developers definitely should not have returned to the topic that Joel lied to Ellie at the end of the last part. Then everything ended in the final on a powerful note. Yes, Ellie didn't know everything. But she realized that Joel was lying and accepted his lie. The fact that this topic was returned to, the fact that Ellie suddenly wondered what had happened, the fact that she hated Joel for lying, devalues the finale of the last part. Makes it worthless. It would have been a different matter if she had accidentally found out what had happened, but she hadn't told Joel about her discovery, and their relationship wouldn't have soured because of it. And it would highlight to us how important Joel and her relationship with him is to Ellie. Like everything they've been through.
These flashbacks should have been the main game. It’s like Neil Druckmann was taunting at us constantly by saying “Oh was this what you wanted in the sequel? Too bad!”
This part break my heart since Joel told her the truth about what happen at Salt Lake City hospital about the vaccine and then she just pushes Joel away like that when Joel tries to confort her and call her but pushes him away
It wasn’t about the vaccine Abbys dad was the only one who could do the surgery plus in the recordings she said it’s a miracle if they find someone else that’s immune like Ellie. But the fireflies were wrong cuz if Joel didn’t save Ellie they would’ve executed him and that was another reason why he did it. Both sides weren’t right or wrong all u can do is understand to why every character did what they did.
spoilers...You know what...i didn't even care that joel died in that way...i played lou1 5 years ago i didnt care for joel it was too long ago...but now after seeing flashbacks scene i understand it again how i loved joel so much...the only character that they develop soo good in this game was joel...and where is he now...died by golf club...tnx neil druckmen
@@SitraSan I was feeling hurt and pissed when Arthur Morgan died but I also did respect Dan Houser. Legendary ending for legendary character. This.. This is something else
I knew we were gonna lose Joel in this game, and I could understand. It would be emotional if he died taking a bullet for Ellie (like he tried to with Sarah) and then his last words to Ellie was ‘baby girl’. That would be good. But killing him 2 hours into the game in a very pathetic way is just stupid. Killing off beloved characters in the opening of a game or movie NEVER works.
Did Ellie actively prevent humanity’s best chance for a cure AND killed Abby‘s father? There is literally no reason for Abby to harm Ellie before the events of TLOU2
God this scene pisses me off so much. I get that Ellie is selfless and such but you can't possibly convince me she couldn't have figured out why Joel did it. At the very least she should've been thankfull that somebody would literally turn the world upside down for her. This scene and the one at the end of the game where she says "my life would've fucking mattered" make me hate how they changed her character because that, imo, just makes her seem like a rebelious teenager brat going through a phase.
ellie believes her life only matters because she could be a cure, she lost a lot of people who got bit and she thought the cure they would make would help other people. she knows he did it because he loves her, but that doesn't matter, her life was supposed to save a lot of people.
I don't know about you but if someone stopped a bunch of doctors from killing me with or without my knowledge I certainly wouldn't be mad at them. I would certainly contemplate the consequences of that action and be upset they didn't tell me this but the action itself is a good one.
I think Ellie’s reaction is a mixture of shock, anger, and betrayal from Marlene and Joel. Which I understand totally especially since Joel was the closest thing she had to a father and while Joel did wanna protect her lying to her wasn’t right either.
He gave her the option to back out right before they got to the hospital though and she made it clear she wanted to keep going to make everything they did (i.e. all the murder) worth it. He knew she would've chosen death. His choice is totally justifiable but so is her anger.
i'd be pretty pissed if i realized that he not only stopped it, but KILLED the only doctor who would've been capable of making the cure... i understand joel's actions, but I empathize with Ellie's anger a lot more
Yeah those recorders in the hospital did say there were others that were immune or exhibited some sort of mutation right? The game vaguely touches upon that, which is frustrating
People put too much stock into that. Its made clear that even though they had failed in the past, Ellie's was the most impressive case and the chances of success were far higher.
@@rohinkaushal2434 Imagine what Fireflies could do, if they were able to made vaccine. Jackson, Boston, Seattle... The Fireflies could be able to decide who should die and who can live.
A corrupt world fillled with cannibals, hunters, and backstabbers that is willing to murder a young girl just to save themselves, isn’t worth saving at all
Ellie saw the xrays and read the reports but still didn't ask about her tumor in her head...I would be like, "So, how long do I have till I die?" No medical treatment and ways of doing it in a apocalypse...
@@leemcqueen500 didn't help that Joel left out the fact that they were the most incompetent people imaginable and would have probably botched the surgery anyway
This is one of the best scenes in this game for sure, cause both characters have their reasoning and thought that they were in the right. Joel wanted to save Ellie's life and it wasn't confirmed whether a vaccine could've realistically been made from her, but at the same time he didn't let Ellie make that choice for herself and he potentially doomed humanity as a result, plus ultimately it led to his death by senselessly killing Abbe's father. Ellie is rightfully pissed off by all of this, but at the same time Joel is the reason she's still alive.
It's screwed up but, everyone acknowledges this game and its beautiful realism- correct? Well, of course, even with my own complaints, and (not in a harsh way) there will be some things left unsaid. No one can predict the future of their deaths until it happens, so no one is going to just blurt out their feelings while having to be tough amidst an apocalypse.
I love joel...but he should have told her in the first one when he got her out of the hospital. I get that joel was scared..but he couldn't keep that lie going. Ellie deserved to know the truth, the truth will hurt but ellie needed to hear it.😥
Agent: Most people have left already. I don’t know which group I’m going to join... I was one of the ones that wanted to go after the smuggler and the girl. They said… Even if we found her, or by some miracle found someone else that’s immune, it’d make no difference. ‘Cause the only person who could develop a vaccine is dead. (Riley taps the rewind button) Agent: ...by some miracle found someone else that’s immune, it’d make no difference. (Riley taps the rewind button again) Agent: ...miracle found someone else that’s immune, it’d make no difference. ‘Cause the only person [Worried Dipper gallops to her.] Dipper: Riley! Come here. (hugs her) Dipper: The hell were you thinkin’? Running off in the middle of the night like that. You talk to me. You don’t just leave me a goddamn note-- [She pushes Dipper away.] Riley: Tell me... what happened here. If you lie to me one more time, I’m gone. You will never see me again. But if you tell me the truth. I’ll go back to Oregon. No matter what it is. Just say it, Dad. [Dipper lowers his head and pronounces in a quiet voice.] Dipper: Making a vaccine... would have killed you. So I stopped them. [Riley sits on an iron box barely holding back tears.] Riley: Oh my god. (Riley crying. Dipper tried to comfort her) Riley: Don’t you fucking touch me! I’ll go back. But we’re done. (Dipper tearfully hurt)
Which part? Where Ellie let her go? Cause if so it honestly seemed like she reminded her too much of Joel and her when she was a kid with the way she was taking care of Lev too
I think letting abby go was a good idea, but after all that violence and leaving ellie's family behind, and letting her live at the very last moment...just didn't make sense after all that
@@wolfman100hits Exactly how I saw it. If Lev wasn't there I think she would have killed Abby. After she stopped, Ellie said "Take him and go". That made it pretty clear to me that she was thinking of the kid. I think the 2 of them reminded her a bit of her and Joel
In that moment she thought about the last conversation she had with Joel before he was killed. She told him that she was going to try to forgive home for lying to her about her biology. She remembered that she is capable of forgiveness and ultimately forgives abbey for killing Joel. She realized that she was continuing this cycle of violence and wanted to end it. That’s why she let her go.
Scenes like this makes me dislike this game even more. I wish the game would have invested more time with Joel and Ellie(not saying that Joel shouldn’t have died). We waited so long for their story and all we got was only scenes like this and short interaction with them. I’m not saying this game is bad but it wasn’t what I hoped for. I liked the flash backs with Ellie and Joel but they were short and we all wanted to see shit like this more than Abby’s stupid story.
I didn’t like Part II but good moments like this make the game better. Wish the game was better but I’m glad there were moments with Ellie and Joel. It makes the game a bit better
Joel : so i stopped the- it was at this moment that he knew he fuc- I just thought of this joke honestly i have watched this 100 times and cried every single time….
Woulda been cool if like the WLF had doctors & like Dina was a spy with one day launching an “attack” & gets Dina “kidnapped”. Ellie goes after Dina & Joel tags along, little do they know Dina & her gang are EX fireflies. When they catch up to them it was setup & they get joel infected & as Ellie you have two options: sacrifice yourself to save Joel, or breakout & kill everyone. That woulda been my story.
