THAT ENDING?! Are you kidding me? What are your thoughts on it? 😱 If there is something missing from this episode that you'd like me to comment on let me know and I'll try and answer it in the comments or in next week's video. Thank you for being here! 👇
Would you ever have any interest in either playing the game and uploading it on here, or at least reacting to the cutscene movie which is like 3 hours roughly? They changed a fair amount of stuff some big some small, but a lot of the scenes in the game are wonderfully done and in some cases better as far as im concerned. Would be neat to see your thoughts on how the game characters contrast with the versions in the show, (Bill, Joel etc...) as well as why they may have changed them in the first place. I know your a busy doctor and all but its just a beautiful game, and i would for sure watch that as im sure most people here would as well. Thanks for the good reviews and cant wait to see how you feel about the home stretch, if they do it justice its gonna be wild.
The ending is even better now that I've rewatched it. Ellie's reaction to Joel falling off the horse seems (on the surface) to be self-concerning when she says "I don't know what I'm going to do, I don't know where I'm going." She seems to be only concerned about how his injury affects 𝘩𝘦𝘳. However, this scene is a mirror of the scene earlier when they are outside by the campfire and Ellie asks Joel the hypothetical question about what happens if the cure is found. "Where do you go, what do you do?" Those 2 same specific questions. In that first fireside version, she's really asking if they will be together in the future and seeing if he sees her somewhere in his future plans. The scene ends on an up note when he tells Ellie to "dream of sheep ranches on the moon." He has merged their two dreams of the future together. Hinting they will still be together in the future. At the end when she says these 2 things again, I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what I'm doing, she's really saying "How can there be a future if you're not in it with me?" Changed my opinion of Ellie's reaction to Joel being injured from one of fear and self-centeredness, to one of deep connection.
And then he keeps going to "I fail her again and again." He doesn't say Sarah or Ellie, just "her" because he feels like he has failed and is going to fail them both. Ugh. Devastating.
I like the small detail, that when he said: "Everyone loved contractors" and Ellie said: "Nice!" Joel just smiled, cause I really feel like that deep down he wants to be like a hero to her, like everyone "dad" wants that to be for their children.... and when he smiled: He felt cool in front of her and that made him happy.
From Ellie’s standpoint, her reaction proves her earlier saying of, “you could’ve just made something up, I would’ve believed you.” And this is foreshadowing the season finale as well. Just crazy WELL-WRITTEN.❤
@@StormBorn0301 ya. Sometimes it feels like a show is writing from episode to episode with no thought to future or past episodes. This isn’t that. Which is nice.
Are Tommy and Maria both insane or what!? Having a kid when you have no access to professional healthcare, midwifes, and doctors who can perform a C section if necessary. How stupid can you be. And having a child is just another mouth to feed. They sure are selfish, mindless, and primal instinct driven, they might as well be infected...
I love that different specialists are starting to do these "react" things to TLOU. We've had Doctors react to the medical stuff, film students reacting to the cinematography, screenwriters reacting to the narrative, and now a therapist reacting to the mental health aspects. It brings a cultural discussion that has more impact than just watching the show, so I'm happy to have it reinterpreted through each perspective.
“it’s gonna be one or the other or even both” and then it literally is both, he breaks down with tommy and pushes out ellie. the way you analyze and predict things is really awesome
The ending is a nice contrast to the opening of the episode where Joel falls asleep and says she should wake him next time, but she thinks she's got this and can keep watch. By the end she does try to wake him realizing that she doesn't know what she's doing and she needs him.
Joel’s panic attacks were so gut-wrenching and also very accurately depicted. I had a panic attack a few months ago and I legitimately thought I was p*ssing away, and the way Joel’s ears start ringing and go muffled, geez it’s so visceral and realistic.
I was waiting for you to dissect this sensational episode, so many layers to this! Pedro Pascal's acting in this episode evoked a wide range of emotions. Tears were streaming down my face during THAT scene with Tommy, Pedro absolutely nailed that scene. It was so great to see Joel's vulnerability on display. This episode was exceptionally well-written. His trauma and his fear of failing Ellie leading to him pleading with Tommy to take her off his hands was so incredibly heartwrenching to see. Both Pedro and Bella acted their socks off, the emotion displayed on screen felt incredibly authentic. Gabriel Luna was so incredible as Tommy as well
I was waiting for this reaction too, been watching other reactions. A common question has been "Why wasn't Joel happy for Tommy?" and I knew, that this one not only would understand but break down why.
Exactly my thoughts on this episode! Exceptionally well-written scenes with amazing performances by all the actors, they really made the relationships between all the characters so much more complex than they were in the game which only helped to further show how much Joel and Ellie have developed emotionally. I'm gonna need everyone who's complaining abt this episode making Joel look 'soft' to watch this video, bc this is how complex people are in real-life; even if someone seems stoic or jaded on the surface, it all comes tumbling out at some point if you manage to push certain buttons with them. A great turning point in their relationship and each moment felt so earned- this is definitely in my top 3 episodes at the moment :)
I'm at the part where you're in anguish over Tommy and Joel's bar conversation, and I just had to pause and share how phenomenal your videos on this series have been. I've never seen anything quite like it. The context and layers you provide to what the characters are going through is positively fascinating. Entertaining, authentic, and informative- I'm learning SO MUCH! I'm *so* glad I found this channel.
@@the.truth.doctor ps- I did make it all the way to the end, and will absolutely recommend this channel to anyone I know that follows the show. It's such a fantastic resource, for a number of reasons. Thank you for sharing your empathy and expertise with us!
Yes, I have watched a couple other reactions (no shade to them) where they're like "Joel don't be a dick" over his treatment of Tommy and Ellie, whereas Dr. Tracy is over here *predicting* Joel's behavior, framing it as natural and fully understandable.
Ellie’s time to shine is more necessary than ever. She’s gonna have to use those skills Joel’s been sprinkling out. I love how the universe is mocking him when he sees that woman from behind. “You could’ve had this, instead you failed” dang
A really tiny detail that one might gloss over is Tommy looking at Joel’s watch during the first argument when he says “Just because life stopped for you” - actors convey so much detail with little actions like that it’s very awe inspiring to watch as a viewer
I love it that you notice the subtleties in the episode, like Joel not trusting Tommy because he risked his life, and then at the bar not telling him stuff. That's very eye-opening and shows how well written this series is.
I don’t know if anyone has already commented this but Craig Maizen’s daughter is the one singing the the Depeche Mode cover at the end of the episode. He’s one of the show runners. It’s a nice addition in an episode that is so focused on the importance of family, especially the father/daughter relationship.
I absolutely love the realistic portrayal of PTSD in the show, and it adds a whole new level of realism to Joel. When the old couple mention the river of death, the fear creeps up on him and he likely doesn't quite understand why until later when the dog is looking for signs of infection and he freezes. His fear of failure and ineptitude (with his physicality now having more limits as well) constantly playing in the back of his head as he gets closer to Ellie is so incredibly realistic given his trauma, which makes it all the more tragic. And then later when Tommy says he's gonna be a father and him having even less of a reason to now take Ellie off his hands, he's forced to be vulnerable in a safe space with his brother to get him to take Ellie. This episode was exceptionally well-written and acted
And in a way, his age and physical limitations means he's forced to stop relying on the things that have kept him alive the past 20 years. And psychologically, those mechanisms are not indefinitely sustainable. His mind will catch up with him, his body will catch up with him. Running away used to keep the pain at bay, now it is just wearing him out.
The Last Of Us game changed my life 10 years ago, and I’ve been waiting to show my fiancé this show to finally understand what the game did for me and how it changed me as a person. Watching your videos with her has really helped us become closer as she understands why this story and these characters have continued to impact me for over a decade. Thank you for everything ❤️
Pedro acted his ass off in the scene with tommy. Makes me cry every time i've watched it. When he says "thats all i've ever done is fail her" breaks me. You can tell he blames himself for not being able to save Sarah and Tess and his so afraid the same will happen with Ellie.
The genius of this episode in particular is that they’ve set us up the last six weeks to not get attached to any new characters and to expect the absolute worst. So what do they do this episode? The new characters just go on living their merry little lives and they let the anticipation for the bad thing build until the last second. We know it’s coming, and they know we know. So they toy with us until the pressure is finally released like a bullet from a gun.
One thing I love in this is they do both say how they are feeling. Joel is right too. She deserves a choice. Before it was forced on her to go with him. Then the subtle bit in the horse where she burrows into him and basically hugs him. They are comfortable with each other
The end of this episode was absolutely the fulcrum point for Joel and Ellies relationship going forward. She has been thrown into a duty of care that Joel can't intercept or protest. He needs her at this point... If/when he comes through, it's because of her. I imagine that will be the moment they both realise they need each other.
I think Joel and Ellie being lighter after Joel's real chat with Tommy and Ellie's blow up at Joel was because they finally got their issues out there. I always feel lighter after a therapy session and that's kind of what happened for them in a way, especially for Joel. Now that a bit of weight is off they can have a ibt more fun, till you know, the next trauma/trigger that this show loves to serve up.
I feel like every episode I say, “this episode was so hard to get through”. But, I think that this time- this time, it was incredibly hard to get through. The moment when Ellie yelled at him, “everyone I cared about has died or left me!” I know he felt that to his core. I hope Joel isn’t dead and it’s one of those, “AND THEN STRANGERS CAME AND HELPED THEM!” type of thing.
@@fayesouthall6604 that’s what I was thinking!!!! I haven’t played the game so please no spoilers to anyone reading this, but no way Joe is dead! It just can’t be!
I have to say that you’re my favorite reactor on this show - it just because you take your work and your responsibility to help educate very seriously while also allowing your humanity to be entact. You get academic while also casual. It has helped me learn a bit more about how my own mind works while also being able to see these stories from a perspective of someone who has developed a real emotional intelligence. For example, I would not have connected that Maria’s black and white view of Joel may have been because of a career in which she had to believe that there is a solid line between people who are “good,” and people who are “bad.” You made that connection immediately. I am curious as to what caused you to immediately determine there was a greater importance behind the girl who Ellie mean-mugs during their lunch. I am not saying whether or not you’re correct, just trying to understand what subtext you may have been reading that I had missed.
"We have to be careful to not use people's deepest pain moments against them in a retaliating or in a dismissive way, in a way that gives us power and makes them feel weaker." My sister did this to me. It was the most cruel thing she's ever done to me. I've never forgotten it and it's left a scar. Thank you for articulating it so clearly.
While watching this episode Sunday evening and considering the content of said episode, I thought of what Dr. Tracy's reaction would be in particular of Joel's emotional dialogue with Tommy about his fears. Love your insight and thank you for sharing your expertise.
I wonder if anyone else noticed, but Joel didn't collapse at the end until Ellie said "I think we're safe now." I think he had been trying his best to stay awake and alert but when he heard the word safe he relaxed just enough that his body was like "time to rest cuz you are hurt."
after this season is over, you might need to do a live group therapy session for those of us who were traumatized by the show. a debrief, a commiseration session, a time to decompress, a virtual group hug or something.
I've been loving these reactions! It's been great to see someone who is actually capable of interpreting the things going on in the characters heads give their take on things.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, but that moment when he 'saw' his daughter again really hit me hard. Same thing happened to me after my best friend died 😢😞
When Joel and Ellie are talking about going their separate ways and Ellie brings up Sarah and it triggers Joel, we also need to remember that this whole situation is triggering Ellie too. Her biggest fear is ending up alone: "everyone I have cared for has either died or left me". I liked that in the game Ellie left when she found out that Joel was going to leave her with Tommy, like "I am leaving before you can do that to me". This also put Joel in a situation where he understood that he is important to her and he had to be the one to take her to the Fireflies. On the show it seemed like Joel just needed a good night's sleep to reach that conclusion.
This video is incredible the takeaways and the reflection of Joel and Ellie is so on point. @19:35 when you mentioned Joel's options it was so great to see how to piece that together before it even happened as in following scene we saw that unfold in both ways. Love your videos really give insights into how I want to develop characters in stories and make them feel dynamic just as The Last of Us has.
I love that the show amplifies Joel’s relationship with Tommy. He breaks down in front of Tommy and Tommy only. He doesn’t even let Ellie see him cry until he can’t hold it back anymore. 😢❤
I cannot tell you how happy I am to see Joel's character click (or be understood) by someone reacting to it all. Joel's "dark-days" post-Sarah were pure animal instinct, survive, not something he took pleasure in or even thought about WHILE He, Tommy, Tess and the rest were doing it. Joel is (currently) having his pain define who HE is, and it's just so friggin' sad to see him try to push everyone away as a result; when it all comes from a place of fear. Yet even still, people have related his cold actions to being a "macho man" or "hyper-masculinity" or whatever. Joel's evolution is beautiful. A "real man" isn't afraid of his feelings. That's what the game taught me. I'm so happy with how the show is handling it.
As someone who had a few panic attacks (tied to some bad medical experiences) your breakdown of how those spiral out of control really hit home! Even though I know, rationally, what's happening by now, it still takes its full course each and every time. Watching Joel this episode was so interesting, and I really appreciate all your insight here.
You've helped me on my own journey of healing, I didn't actually come here looking for that but it was a welcomed treat. I shared this with a friend struggling, not as a solution to what they're going through but you make such insightful commentary that it really does help. So thank you for that. I appreciate you and the effort you put into your videos.
In the scene where Joel tells Tommy the truth about his fears, Pedro Pascal kept in character, weeping, when the camera was on Gabriel Luna. Those on the set said that was the most generous thing an actor could do, keep in character while the camera is on the other person. Each week I weep watching this show. But empathy is a good thing, yes?
Now every Thursday is for "The Truth Doctor Show", now Joel's fear of losing Ellie is seen more and now Ellie in the next chapter is going to have to deal alone with Joel's condition, what do you think will happen?
Bella saying Joel is horrifying. I fell and hit my head at the park with my daughter and was discombobulated, the way she said “Joel” when trying to wake him up sounded exactly like when my daughter said “daddy” And was trying to help me up.
I just wanna say I love listening to you and it’s helping me so much. My boyfriend died of ALS just over a year . I’m listening to a podcast about the last of us is helping me so much! I am also sharing the videos with one of my answers. Also, you are wonderful amazing and you’ve helped me so much again thank you and I am follow me now.
Going back to episode one Joel points out the difference between Tommy loving him and being dependent of him. With Tommy no longer needing Joel, he went silent and disappeared. It all came full circle for Joel in the discussion at the bar.
dont wanna spoil anything but the girl ellie yelled at is VERY important and you will see a lot of her in the next season! I can’t believe they showed her this early it was a real treat for the video game players!
@@prohiadam9 there’s no way it isn’t because why are they focusing on some random ass girl in jackson? if it’s not her there’s no point in putting that scene in there.
I discovered your channel today while surfing for The Last of Us reactions, and I am incredibly happy I did. Psychology is something I am intensly interested in, and this has been educational and a lot of fun. So thank you very much.
I'm a recovering addict myself, and I feel you really hit the nail in the head on all points. I got a little teary-eyed listening to you as I feel the people around me dont seem to realize the lingering pain within me from losing so much in life. I put a front that I'm alright and it's a struggle coz I still need them to understand it's a slow step moving forward when you have a history with addiction. Thank you for expounding certain situations & human behaviors in TLOU, Dr. Courtney. I really appreciate this. I'll be sharing this reaction video on my other social media accounts for awareness from those who are dealing similar circumstances in their lives. ❤❤❤❤❤
I'm so glad you also found it hard to return to this show. I had to take a week break and Double Feature this week. Really happy they showed that it was a 3-month time skip, it gave our characters in-universe time to grieve to a point where we could get that levity from them.
VERY GOOD CATCH with the girl in the background that was staring at Ellie and Ellie called her out... That will be a very important person in the future, you are right about that!
Been watching all of your The Last of Us reactions and really needed to hear that part about feeling weak and feeling like you can't do anything, so thank you for the help!
Been watching your reactions to TLOU since episode 1 and I really enjoy your insight and commentary, especially when it comes to Joel's trauma and you've hit on some things I had even considered. I've shared the link to this video in the TLOU HBO's Reddit page because I feel it is so important for many to understand why Joel reacted to Tommy's new life and news the way he did; so many are mad at the brothers and your analysis really captures some important things to remember about Joel and his trauma. Thank you so much for taking the time to make these videos - new subscriber since Episode 1 and I look forward to your commentary and insight for the future. 🙂
Your recaps of this show really shine. To see the dynamics of this show through your professional lense is so educational. And the way you're so quick to notice something is *chefs kiss*.
Such a good analysis, really loving your perspective on this and it has expanded my view a bit. I know it may be difficult because of the content matter but if you treat addiction hearing your analysis of The Wire would be truly fascinating.
This was the most beautiful analysis of this episode! You really picked up and expanded on all the subtleties. Thank you so much for this. I think I cried more watching it through your eyes and with your knowledge of the subjects, as it deepened my own understanding of everything happening. I also like how you showed the shot of Ellie resting her cheek against Joel’s back when on the horse… even if you didn’t speak on it specifically, it played into your analysis of their bond now. No one else has shown or mentioned that brief moment, but it was one that really spoke to me. Overall,just an excellent analysis to watch.
The scene in the morning after the talked about the future is a scene I personally understood better, the second time I saw it, bc. For Joel it was like "I failed her again and fall asleep" while ellie wanted to show him that she learnt what he tought him and wanted him to be proud.
I have struggled all my life with being a person who feels things very deeply, for both the good and the bad, and it's been so hard to deal with because other people look at me like I'm crazy for getting emotional about fictional people and their experiences. I watched other people on a RU-vid video play the intro to the game where Sarah dies and I cried for what felt like way too long over that, but because of it I ended up playing the game and just loved it. I felt EVERYTHING that Joel and Ellie went through and I almost felt like I was right there with them every step of the way - which I love in a game. But, as usual, I had nothing but a general idea of WHY I felt that way, I just did. Watching you go through each emotion and reaction and having you explain the big why of it all - and especially when you explain that it's totally normal to feel this way - really helps me deal with my feelings in a way that is healthy. Up until about 10 months ago, I abused substances in order to dampen down all my feelings so that I could relax for the amount of time the substances worked on me, but the desire for more almost broke my relationship with my family, and that reality helped me to stop and get help. So now I'm back to having all the feelings again and sometimes I think I'm going to drown in them. But between your reactions to Wednesday and your reactions to this show, you give me nuggets of truth that I can apply to my situation that helps me a lot. Thank you for doing this, even though I can see how much it seriously bothers you at times. Just remember that your pain and explaining how the characters are dealing with it is helping many of us out here who don't have access to a wonderful therapist like you.
I was really looking forward to your video this week, I never cry during the actual episode but I somehow always cry seeing your reaction. My sister says she'll eventually watch the show and when she does I'll share your videos with her, we've been talking a lot lately and bonding about our shared past traumas, I think your presence would be beneficial to her too
I've been SO looking forward to your reaction to this episode. It's densely packed with relationships and psychology; and as expected, you provided so much insight that I can apply to my life. Thank you so much!! 🙏🏾💛
I really do enjoy your breakdowns and the psychological analysis you bring to this show and all of your reviews. Thank you 😊 I also want to share something about the ending which harkens back to the first episode, something I only realized after I rewatched it the other day with my mom. Mind you, this was not in the game so it was new for those who played and I think it went over everyone's head. That kid who wandered into the QZ from the wilderness was infected. I believe he was like Ellie. Immune. But since this world does not know that immune people exist, they kill them off the second they catch wind. That boy was quiet. Traumatized. You can tell he'd lost so much, people he loved, and was scared and didn't say a word because maybe, like Ellie, he was taught not to tell anyone about his condition. He was alone and didn't have anyone there to protect or vouch for him that he was not a threat. I mean, how could a child articulate something so complex to adults who run the world? This idea is going to make so much more sense when we get into the next episodes. This show and the writing is incredible. What do you think?
@@the.truth.doctor wild, right?! It makes his death so much sadder. And what a juxtaposition that Joel was the one to throw that immune body into the fire.
Just found you today and WOW, what a great perspective you have on these episodes. I'm completely hooked on your analysis. Looking forward to more of your reactions!
There's a line when Ellie and Joel are talking in the bedroom where Joel says "You have no idea what loss is." That's a pretty important line to remember for Seasons 2 and 3.
I was in therapy in 2012-2013; best period of my life. After I moved in another city and I have this problem: my ex psyco can't be replaced, "no one can be best". Now, I watched and listened your comments to TLOU and I think that you live in Italy I choose you ahahah. But you don't live in Italy, but i wrote this because I really appreciate your approach/expertise. Kisses
I think seeing Joel visibly afraid shook Ellie, so her teasing Joel about the 'River of Death' was her way of getting him to reassure her that he wasn't afraid, because if he's not afraid then everything will be okay
26:13 - Ellies face in this moment is CRAZY. You can really see the fear. Her BIGGEST fear is ending up alone without him - and his biggest fear is losing another daughter. 💔
This show....! It is sooo good, and I can't imagine now to have not seen it! But, it does have a huge emotional impact on the viewer! I kinda love the fact that, even you, watching with a clinical eye for these reacts, feel impact, as well!
I just came across your reactions for TLOU and I can say it is really an eye-opener hearing it from your perspective. I have also been watching a reaction from a film student's POV and matching it together with yours, it makes everything even more amazing and it makes me appreciate your effort in dissecting each episode for us and understanding the characters further. I am so happy that the showrunners did such an amazing job adapting the game. So far one of the best series around right now. I can't wait for your reaction on the next episode!
A small touch - Joel looks to the right at Ellie on her horse a couple of times while hugging Tommy. Like "we found him!" but Ellie looks concerned. She's never seen Joel act quite like this. I also like her concern about being out of Joel's presence for the first time in months.
Am such a massive fan of the game and the show is imo perfect its emotional af.. and will get even more emotional... am actually so glad i found this channel (via wednesday btw) just... cause i actually need the breakdown..kinda... perspective..am open to that..despte being a simp for the game..i soooooo appreciate this channel in particular.. i dunno You give the world context... be it tlous..or ours.. sometimes i struggle to differentiate between the two... hope you enjoy the last few eps... thanks for doing this... funny that some og fans reeeeeeeeally need this content to process it..n not the show per say but life.. you get that and i love it.. you just get it.. n why tlou i think has so much to give.
Listening to your analysis and breakdown of certain scenes adds so much more context for me. I started sharing these with friends and they absolutely love your insight. Keep up the amazing work!
sometimes when we think about psychiatrists or therapists, we can have a cold and clinical view, you're the only therapist on RU-vid, that at least I''ve seen to react to this like the rest of us, you blend in to humanity well, if that even makes sense, compared to other therapists. That analyse and diagnose, you understand pain, and humanity, so thank you for that!
I used to have panic attacks every morning for a few years, I would throw up, shaky hands, cold sweats. Was so awful. I still have issues with anxiety but I'm glad to slowly forget what panic attacks felt like. And it was most likely ptsd from trauma for me too..
You know, even the thought of not sharing these reactions with people is kind of alien to me what with how much insight you bring with your analysis. I feel almost certain it will enrich their experiences with the show, and honestly, lives in general to watch your amazing reactions - as it has with me. Thank you for doing this kind of reaction and doing the work you do! Love all around and all the best!
wow... i found this super insightful and interesting. idk what i expected when i clicked on the reaction but i didnt realize it would be this educational, i love it
when you were talking about feeling weak and like a failure during recovery from a trauma, i think around like 24 minutes in the video, idk i’ve been watching these videos for a while now and sometimes you say something that i just really need to hear and this was one of those times. i just want to comment to say thank you for making these videos cause i know i’m not the only one who needs to hear the things you have to say.
Every comment made in this reaction... even beyond those made in the other exceptional reactions for this series... is 'brilliant' and completely appreciated by me. Every aspect of Joel and Tommy's estrangement, the roles misunderstood, the blames attached, the misgivings granted and the overwhelming mental, and even physical pain and devastation it has caused for Joel. Yet even as monumental as this is, I don't believe these brothers conflicts is the 'main' thing. I believe that merely gets us to both Ellie's mistrusting move to eavesdrop on Joel and Joel's surrender to truth, confession of weakness and plea for Tommy to take Ellie. For me, the most poignant confrontation and pinnacle of the series thus far, was the surrogate father-daughter confrontation Joel and Ellie have needed to have since they found each other in Boston. For each of them, they have needed each other to be father and daughter; likely since she was born... and since Sarah died in his arms. And yet, in the moment, they let each other down with insensitivity and betrayal only to seemingly accept becoming 'emotionally bound' as father and daughter in the morning. So, when Joel falls off the horse, bleeding out on the ground, with Ellie begging Joel to not leave her, saying he is the one thing she can not live without... it was THEN... that I was devastated.. broken... This reaction is simply 'spectacular' in every possible way. Bravo!
around @24:00 i started tearing up cuz ive been feeling weak and powerless for the last 2 fuckin months man. i dont feel the same and i feel incredibly hurt. it felt like this lady went from analyzing joel to talking to me directly. And to hear that recovery can feel even more painful as if you are descending even further...well that sucked to hear but also profound.
Gems of wisdom it's taken me a lifetime to learn summed up in a single episode lol: "Not everyone has the same choices to make" & "We really have to be careful to not use peoples' deepest painful moments against them..." Brilliant insights. TY
I could be wrong, but I read maria in the show as thinking "Tommy may have done some bad things, but Joel was the Devil on his shoulder, so it was really all Joel's fault."
