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Borne of the fruits of mid to late war Finnish industry, the VL Pyörremyrsky did not arrive in time to see combat against the Soviets during WW2, but it nonetheless has a fascinating story, and in this video we explore it.
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Sources:
Suomen Siivet issue 1/1973 and 2/1973
Green, W. (1960). War Planes of the Second World War. MacDonald.
www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/pyorremyrsky.html
0:00 - 1:09 Introduction
1:10 - 3:22 Why the Finns Needed A Fighter
3:23 -6:23 Specification & Design Work
6:24 - 8:29 Flight Testing and Retirement
8:30 - 9:33 Restoration
9:34 - 10:37 Conclusion

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@aviationdeepdive
@aviationdeepdive 6 месяцев назад
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@Cuccos19
@Cuccos19 6 месяцев назад
What it resembles most is the Italian Fiat G.55, for me. Both inherited the 109G's engine and cowling, but behind that is a completely new aircraft.
@antoniodesimone5097
@antoniodesimone5097 6 месяцев назад
I agree, and the wing seems seems very similar to that of the fiat g55
@jv-collects6252
@jv-collects6252 6 месяцев назад
Few corrections / additions. The research and development of natively produced aircraft had begun way before the late 1930s as seen with the IVL K.1 Kurki (1927, trainer/transport), IVL C.24 (1924, fighter), IVL C.25 (1925, fighter) and IVL D.26 Haukka (1927, fighter) These prototypes would eventually be followed up by a mass-produced military aircraft in the form of the VL Sääski (1928, general aviation/trainer/naval patrol) and the limited production VL Kotka (1930, naval patrol/light bomber) So yeah the development of not just prototype, but even serial production military aircraft had commenced prior to late 1930s. Additional note: the word Pyörremyrsky can be translated into various English words in addition to hurricane, such as typhoon and whirlwind (which both lack their own separate words in the Finnish language). Otherwise, good work and research! Would be cool to see a video about the VL Puuska, a competitor for the VL Pyörremyrsky which never left the drawing board.
@werre2
@werre2 6 месяцев назад
It stands in the museum next to a G2. Looks very slick.
@EneTheGene
@EneTheGene 6 месяцев назад
MT-507 in the Finnish airforce museum is actually a G6. No Finnish G2 exists in a restored condition.
@TheLateBird7
@TheLateBird7 6 месяцев назад
Very nice! And good to have shots of the VL Myrsky in the same video for comparison. Both very pretty aircraft.
@EneTheGene
@EneTheGene 6 месяцев назад
Mostly a good video but I have one main issue with it. To say that the Finns didn't produce native aircraft until the late 30s and to *imply* that the first native aircraft was the Myrsky is incorrect. The Finns designed and produced several aircraft types for the airforce before this such as the Sääski (first flight 1928), the VL Tuisku (first flight 1934) and the VL Viima (first flight 1936). This was along with one-off prototypes like the VL Haukka fighter (first flight 1927).
@aviationdeepdive
@aviationdeepdive 6 месяцев назад
Man that’s frustrating, I was trying to search for native Finnish designs but I couldn’t find anything on the internet, I couldn’t understand why nothing was coming up
@jussim.konttinen4981
@jussim.konttinen4981 6 месяцев назад
​@@aviationdeepdiveWhy does it have to be native? The Finns built Blenheims, which is an incredible feat.
@EneTheGene
@EneTheGene 6 месяцев назад
@@aviationdeepdive I suppose that the interest drawn by the Myrsky and the Pyörremyrsky may have buried earlier Finnish designs on the English speaking internet.
@JanoTuotanto
@JanoTuotanto 6 месяцев назад
and VL Kotka maritime recon bomber (1930). The only Finnish designed combat aircraft to see notable front line service during WWII
@anthonygolphinjr9517
@anthonygolphinjr9517 6 месяцев назад
I love Finnish fighter aircraft
@RemusKingOfRome
@RemusKingOfRome 6 месяцев назад
They should have shocked the world by adding a turret ...The Finnish 109G Defiant ! That would have had everyone face-palming ! LOL
@FRIEND_711
@FRIEND_711 6 месяцев назад
This is a beautiful aircraft ^w^ thank you for making a video about it ^w^
@aviationdeepdive
@aviationdeepdive 6 месяцев назад
Glad you liked it!
@darkiee69
@darkiee69 6 месяцев назад
The Finnish AF's first plane was a Thulin D, built in my home town, and gifted to the Finns by count Erik von Rosen. And his personal house mark was a swastika for light and happiness (This was before the nazis) he marked the plane with a blue swastika in a white roundel. A marking the Finnish AF used until after WW2.
@Curious-Minds
@Curious-Minds 6 месяцев назад
Beautiful aircraft, another very informative video.
@Rom3_29
@Rom3_29 6 месяцев назад
Your Finnish words pronounced very well. Small tidbit of Finnish air force history. When group of Finns went to pickup British Hurricanes and Blenheims. There was Blackburn Roc naval turreted fighter with Finnish markings. Finns left that behind. There's no photos of it in Finland and never mentioned in any Finnish air force books. Roc's blue swastikas were covered with white hemp fabric when it was flown over British skies. As it was feared getting shot down by itchy fingered AA.
@limbardo9169
@limbardo9169 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for the excellent presentation. As a point of interest, the Hansa-Brandeburg W.33 shown in the top left corner at 1:25 belongs to the Latvian Air Force, which i) also operated the W.33 and ii) also sported a swastika (a red diagonal one) as their Air Force insignia in the inter-war years.
@davidvavra9113
@davidvavra9113 6 месяцев назад
Thanks
@CounterClaws
@CounterClaws 6 месяцев назад
I think it looks like someone tried to make a Bf-109 from memory after seeing one years ago.
@Alex_Guy1011
@Alex_Guy1011 5 месяцев назад
This is what i would like to call the "Orthodox Fighter", due to it's inline engine and emphasis on a mixture of performance, armament and survivability. Such examples including the Macchi MC.202/MC.205 Folgore and Veltro, Reggiane Re.2001/2005 Falco II and Saggitario, Fiat G.55/56 Centauro, and Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien.
@harrikeinonen7576
@harrikeinonen7576 6 месяцев назад
Great little video on this beautiful but rare aircraft. The its name - Pyörrenmyrsky - more correctly translates as Whirlwind however.
@aviationdeepdive
@aviationdeepdive 6 месяцев назад
Thanks for the info!
@tonikaihola5408
@tonikaihola5408 5 месяцев назад
Pyörremyrsky literally is “vortex storm” and can mean hurricane, typhoon etc. If you want to be specific, there’s “hurrikaani” and taifuuni”
@Caldera01
@Caldera01 6 месяцев назад
6:40 This is incorrect. The PM-1 stands for Pyörremyrsky-1. The "PuuMersu" was only a colloqial nickname, but not the official name. Pyörremyrsky is a combound word from the words Pyörre (Twirling) and Myrsky (Storm).
@MrCateagle
@MrCateagle 6 месяцев назад
It would have been interesting to see this design re-engined with British engines like the Merlin or Griffon.
@buckwheatINtheCity
@buckwheatINtheCity 2 месяца назад
Finns are so very sensible and resourceful, so are Swedes, but Finns really inspire me. 😂
@felixtheswiss
@felixtheswiss 6 месяцев назад
The same problem as the swiss had, they always came late with the indigenous planes. (Mainly the improved Morane ms406 eg D3802 )
@andrewbranch4075
@andrewbranch4075 6 месяцев назад
Pretty isn't she. I'd like to see her fly. Imagine if she'd been available in numbers when intended?. I've often redesigned the hurricane and defiant in my mind and on paper. Westland whirlwind also. I love "what ifs?"👍😁✌️☮️
@ngauruhoezodiac3143
@ngauruhoezodiac3143 6 месяцев назад
Pyorremyrsky means whirlwind, not hurricane.
@user-yr6gf1hn8z
@user-yr6gf1hn8z 6 месяцев назад
Code PM comes from PyörreMyrsky, not Puu-Mersu as mentioined in video.
@ninjalanternshark1508
@ninjalanternshark1508 3 месяца назад
Its funny hearing every one try to pronounce this name in War Thunder
@jadi1049
@jadi1049 6 месяцев назад
There must be some kind of pyörremyrsky in the head of a native English speaker as he/she tries to pronounce Valtion Lentokonetehdas (VL) Pyörremyrsky. 😂
@myrskylintu1
@myrskylintu1 6 месяцев назад
You are doing fine when speaking Finnish, just remember to pronounce strong "R". As far as i understand DB605's power was limited in Finnish use to around 1300hp because engines we received had only cast iron cylinder liners without chrome plating. They wore out very fast if you used all 1450hp. Pyörremysky looks like a great desing to me, Myrsky was a disaster structurally. Wooden structure could not cope with the rain and damp, we did not have good enough glues at the time. I think best Finnish design, conversion was so called Mörkö-Morane. Decade ago i built Mörkö as a giant scale RC model, and it flew really well and it was fast. We should have abandoned the Myrsky project and concentraded building Mörkö's and Pyörremyrsky's. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X1EpO0S1dvk.html
@rkitchen1967
@rkitchen1967 6 месяцев назад
The lack of DB 605 engines would have doomed the project
@Diadema033
@Diadema033 6 месяцев назад
Basically, the Fiat G.55 in finnish sausage.
@milosmevzelj5205
@milosmevzelj5205 6 месяцев назад
At end of 1945 speed of 620 km/h was not at all impreessive. Especialy not for a prototype. In west, this speed was matched in 1941.
@EneTheGene
@EneTheGene 6 месяцев назад
The design was too little too late, as the video also stated.
@Leptospirosi
@Leptospirosi 6 месяцев назад
Looks like a wooden G55
@karihamalainen9622
@karihamalainen9622 6 месяцев назад
Is this "Tuisku"? We fins do not know "pyöremyrsky" thing. Tuisku is icy snowing with high winds and it eats your face. You cover you face more than very soon. like Thousands icy needles.
@FeldwebelWolfenstool
@FeldwebelWolfenstool 6 месяцев назад
..Congratulations for your ability to properly pronounce Finnish names...
@rjhtrucking5429
@rjhtrucking5429 6 месяцев назад
It looks like it was never fully completed. Did it ever get "Finnished" ha ha ha
@ericbrammer2245
@ericbrammer2245 6 месяцев назад
It has much more of the Look of the Macchi or Fiat Fighters of a year before [1943] , in overall profile.
@3drc172
@3drc172 6 месяцев назад
sorry to be that one guy but that pronouciation was differeant to say the least im from finland btw
@porsimo
@porsimo 6 месяцев назад
To be honest, the pronounciation was completely fine. At least many times better than how most of the foreign people try to pronounce Finnish names. Kokeilepa mennä esim. Portugaliin tai Unkariin lausumaan natiiveille paikallisten nimiä...
@3drc172
@3drc172 6 месяцев назад
@@porsimo i dont want to be a hater but google transate is a thing
@porsimo
@porsimo 6 месяцев назад
@@3drc172 And that's what he has probably used. His pronounciation is far from perfect, but close enough for me. But, this a matter of opinions, so it's pointless to continue.
@aviationdeepdive
@aviationdeepdive 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, I used google translate and Finnish friends to find the pronunciation, but for me it's a very hard word to pronounce (as I mentioned in the video)
@3drc172
@3drc172 6 месяцев назад
@@aviationdeepdive im from finland i can show you how its prronouced
@lasse3412
@lasse3412 6 месяцев назад
Finland....fighting with the Nazi 😢
@JackLondonen
@JackLondonen 6 месяцев назад
Finland was surrounded and the only one inside with Finland was nazi-Germany. Finland would have had to surrender to soviets in order to avoid famine. Only place we got grain was Germany. So the choices were to die because lack of food or become part of Soviet Union and we know now from hindsight how bad option being part of Soviet Union was for a country that doesn't have indigenous russian people in it (Georgia, Kazhakstan, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine...). Actually being part of russia is not good even for a russian people as we see meat wave attacks in Ukraine. People's lives don't have any value.
@CCP-Dissident
@CCP-Dissident 2 месяца назад
They just don't want to be invaded
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